The first Presidential debate of the 2016 election is in the books, and I imagine most of the approximately 100 million viewers came away as underwhelmed as I did. Facebook posts were made, Twitter tweets were tweeted, both candidates were called liars and idiots, “fact-checkers” were working overtime or not at all, and still, the vast majority of the electorate will go to the polls in November and vote for the same candidate they were going to before the debate.
But, most importantly… the odds moved. And moved again. They were on the move the whole night, just like they were before the debate. And now, with over 24 hours for the money to process the events of the election, we will revisit the odds on Betfair’s exchange, and see how those with money on the line have repriced the odds.
As of 9/28/2016 at 11:26AM Eastern, the odds were as seen below:
Again, I’ll put the numbers in percentage terms of chance to win the election, to simplify. All percentages are approximates, with priors coming from odds at 9/22/2016 at 11:26AM Eastern:
- Hillary Clinton: 68.0% (prior: 63%)
- Donald Trump: 30.3% (prior: 32%)
- Joe Biden: 0.67% (prior: 1.56%)
- Bernie Sanders: 0.43% (prior: 1.25%)
- Tim Kaine: 0.14% (prior: 0.29%)
- Gary Johnson: 0.01% (prior: 0.13%)
Note: Any subsequent election odds updates at Free Market Shooter will no longer include candidates with odds below 1%.
After looking at the new odds, I asked myself the question: now that the much-hyped first debate is finally over, what are each candidates’ chances to win, and who do the oddsmakers think benefited most from the debate? Below are my observations:
Hillary was the big beneficiary of the first debate. Not only did she make it through the whole debate without any coughing or health flareups, she appeared well rested and seemed very well prepped. She sounded quite rehearsed and robotic, but that was to be expected of her even by her most ardent supporters. The majority of her attacks on Trump were ad hominem, and she did not focus on attacking his policies. Instead, she focused on attacking his business practices, refusal to release his tax returns, and several other personal issues regarding past lawsuits against him. She did an excellent job of deflecting Trump’s quip on releasing his tax returns when she releases her deleted emails, and though her response did not seem genuine, it did not throw potential voters for a surprise, and she faced minimal followup on the issue.
Though Trump avoided any major gaffes, his debate performance was very underwhelming. While he did well at first, and the move in the odds (to 34+%) initially reflected that, he appeared to be rather unprepared, and it seems his policy of winging preparation and going “off the cuff” finally caught up to him. I was eagerly waiting to hear Trump’s criticism of the Clinton foundation and the large dollar amount of contributions the Clintons and the foundation have taken from corporate and foreign interests, and I don’t recall hearing any of it. Also absent was any mention of the President’s recent veto of 9/11 lawsuits against the Saudis, and whether Hillary’s Saudi contributions should disqualify her from running. Though Trump did deflect from his own tax returns with the query on her emails, his failure to follow up and cite her behavior as criminal, as well as examples of those who have been prosecuted for far less, left a lot to be desired.
Hillary and her team should be extremely concerned that she was unable to win more decisively. We saw Hillary at her best as a debater; no slip-ups, quick deflections of her own flaws, and most importantly, no real tough “gotcha” questions were asked, by either Trump or the moderator. Hillary will almost certainly face much tougher sledding in the following debates, and Trump will likely be ready to ask tougher questions, whether he decides to prepare more extensively or not. If Hillary was unable to put Trump away with her at her best, and Trump not at his best, it is not a good sign for her in future debates.
While he sounded smooth and polished, Lester Holt was anything but an unbiased moderator. He asked many questions about Trump’s past, notably his birther story, tax returns, comments about women, and his business practices. Absent from his questions of Hillary were similar questions about her track record, including queries on the Clinton foundation and corporate/foreign donations to the foundation and Hillary herself, deleted emails (though Trump had his jab on those), her health, and her own votes for middle east wars and military engagements. ZeroHedge did an excellent job compiling tweets and reactions from outlets of all areas of the political spectrum in response to Holt’s performance, and even those on the left who defended him have been forced to concede that Holt did not ask Hillary the same level of difficulty in his questions as he asked of Trump.
As I previously predicted, the other candidates’ odds for victory have all but evaporated following the debate. Barring something dire and unforeseen happening to one of the two candidates, one of the two at the first debate will be our next President. Like it or not, this election really is a two-horse race now.
I think the most important takeaway from the debate is that this election is anything but over. Yes, the odds moved in her favor, but Hillary has mostly just recouped previous Trump gains from her health episode. In my opinion, neither candidate really did anything to impress at the debate, and likely left voters more depressed about their choices than anything. As for their debate performances themselves, Hillary was above average or better at this debate, and Trump was merely average, with his best takeaway from the debate being that he didn’t say anything to make himself look exceptionally bad.
Finally, many people have stated that Trump is underpolling, due to the perceived “shame” of voting for him, and pointed to Brexit as an example of skewed poll results. This large unknown could be manifest in the election odds being mispriced to favor Hillary. If this is indeed the case, expect astute professional gamblers to pick up on this, and push Trump’s odds closer to 50-50 in time for the election. As it is, the gains that have accrued to Hillary will be difficult for her to keep, especially given that the two subsequent debates should see Trump and the moderators ask tougher questions of Hillary. If they do not, the chorus of voters who view the election as rigged and the establishment/media pushing Hillary to the finish line will only grow louder, just in time for the election itself. If Trump “shame” is indeed leading to underpolling, I think any future moderator bias will only be beneficial for his odds for victory.
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Frank Gorshin was fun as the Riddler. The Joker and the Penguin, all excellent actors who were sort of underemployed in the Batman series. Thanks, Undebated! Trump would have made a great character in that series.
The recent Jokers, from Jack to Heath, sucked ass.
Hillary at 68%? LOL…
The Russians still show Hitlery ahead of Trump and they are 110% in the Trump camp and want nothing to do with Harpy so one would figure she really is leading at this point.
History has proven something: If you underestimate a Clinton you’ll pay a big price for it.
Strange that Trump last night drew 15,000 people to an airplane hangar in Melbourne, FL and another 12,000 people waiting to get in were prevented from doing so thanks to the local Fire Marshall. Hillary seems to have trouble drawing 500 people to listen to her banal schtick. This has been happening for quite some time now. The DNC had to pay people to come to their convention to listen to the old hag’s acceptance blabber.
They say you can get a poll to prove whatever you want for about 30 grand. Personally, I pay little or no attention to polls. I prefer to watch the actions of the people and the politicians to form some basis of opinion. Paid-for Soros thugs trying to deny people not only their first amendment right, but their unalienable right to life and the pursuit of happiness as well at Trump rallies is another telling factor that Hillary is no where close to running away with this election. Based upon what I’ve seen so far, and accounting for nothing earth-shaking happening between now and the election, any runaway victory by the hateful hag should fall under intense scrutiny.
I live very near there, and those figured are truly astounding. Its really not that densely populated here, or near the airport. South of melbourne is very rural, not many people at all. North of it, up to Cape Canaveral, is set up like a gigantic suburb, with a lot of nice neighborhoods or single family houses, with some apartment complexes as well. But 15k people showing up to a political event with that many waiting to get in is a truly crazy turnout. Only thing I can figure is a lot of people drove the 45 min-1.5 hours (depending on exact location) from Orlando to attend, or people jsut really are that enthusiastic about trump. I drive through the areas near the venue all the time, and there are a lot of trump signs in yards, and a good number of bumper stickers. I very rarely see killery stickers on cars, and have not seen one single yard sign, anywhere. I see more old bernie stickers around here than I do clinton ones. But, melbourne is pretty unimportant in the electoral sense. Areas like where I live will go solidly trump, no question, but in FL all the people are in Miami, Orlando, Jax, Tampa, and Tallahassee.
Likewise Gator, I found the attendance astounding, but believable from what I’ve seen elsewhere. Certainly a lot of folks came from Orlando, perhaps Daytona, Vero and Port St. Lucie as well. Years ago I spent quite a few nights Snook fishing at Sebastion Inlet so I am familiar with the area and population. But that is my point. People seem to be coming out of the woodwork to hear and see Trump, wherever he speaks, while Hitlary has to pay people to show up to listen to her statist drivel. Yet she is winning in the polls or tied? I’m calling bullshit.
I live due west of Orlando in the very rural Hernando County. Everything is Trump here. I have yet to see one Hitlary bumper sticker. Granted, I’m accused of being a hermit at times, but when I have been out and about I see no support for Hitlary. If the witch carries Fla (perish the thought) it will be because of the southeastern counties like Dade, Palm Beach and Broward with potential help from Orange County. Hopefully, Trump will take Florida’s 29 votes.
There is a simple explanation for the heavy Clinton odds and it is not her popularity. Think how much $8-$10 million bet on her would move the odds. That’s chump change for her advertising budget yet gives them a huge talking point and big leverage on their spend. Yes, those odds come from people with money on the line, but not real people trying to win a bet, just Clinton shills like her Foundation. That is where the big line move came from.
What a spectacle….not worth watching, but with much speculation.
I did not watch the debate for I have better things to do with my time. I got my monthly haircut this morning (6:30 AM as usual). Vicki, who has had her own shop for over 30 years and cutting my hair for over 25, asked me if I watched the debate. I told her no, and she said the following:
“I watched and I thought it was very interesting. I went into the debate somewhat favoring Hillary but now I am going to vote for Trump”.
She said the things that swayed her were comments made by Trump about employment and also foreign policy. I have no idea what he said on those issues, but for one voter it was enough.
Old Dog, find another barber. Trump choked big time on that not ready for prime time disaster. Even old Stucko had to go out for a snort after watching over an hour of Le Trump.
He may have been sounding the depth of Hillary’s preparation. She played this comeback kid game and no doubt he will do the same in the next installment.
Hillary said, one down, two to go. I guess she wants to bet 2 out of 3 won’t be bad. All it will take is one bad show for her to go down in flames.
I’m not for either candidate. However, I also do not hate either one. If I could characterize it, I’d say, my heart says Trump but my dick says Hillary. Has anybody ever won an argument with their dick? It always says, this time it’s different but a dick lies just to get what it wants.
James Comey’s brother is an attorney for the Clinton Foundation.
Comey was involved in money laundering at HSBC. The whole
bunch of them are liars and cheats. But they have BIG $ to spend,
and some will do anything for $.
I figure since Jeh Johnson
United States Secretary of Homeland Security came out and is worried about Russia and US electronic voting TRUMP IS SOLIDLY LEADING.