After the ISIS War, a US-Russia Collision?

Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan

Sunday, a Navy F-18 Hornet shot down a Syrian air force jet, an act of war against a nation with which Congress has never declared or authorized a war.

Washington says the Syrian plane was bombing U.S.-backed rebels. Damascus says its plane was attacking ISIS.

Vladimir Putin’s defense ministry was direct and blunt:

“Repeated combat actions by U.S. aviation under the cover of counterterrorism against lawful armed forces of a country that is a member of the U.N. are a massive violation of international law and de facto a military aggression against the Syrian Arab Republic.”

An ABC report appears to back up Moscow’s claims:

“Over the last four weeks, the U.S. has conducted three air strikes on pro-regime forces backed by Iran that have moved into a deconfliction zone around the town of Tanf in southwestern Syria, where there is a coalition training base for local forces fighting ISIS.”


Russia has now declared an end to cooperation to prevent air clashes over Syria and asserted an intent to track and target aerial intruders in its area of operations west of the Euphrates.

Such targets would be U.S. planes and surveillance drones.

If Moscow is not bluffing, we could be headed for U.S.-Russian collision in Syria.

Sunday’s shoot-down of a hostile aircraft was the first by U.S. planes in this conflict. It follows President Trump’s launch of scores of cruise missiles at a Syrian airfield in April. The U.S. said the airfield was the base of Syrian planes that used chemical weapons on civilians.

We are getting ever deeper into this six-year sectarian and civil war. And what we may be witnessing now are the opening shots of its next phase — the battle for control of the territory and population liberated by the fall of Raqqa and the death of the ISIS “caliphate.”

The army of President Bashar Assad seeks to recapture as much lost territory as possible and they have the backing of Russia, Iranian troops, Shiite militia from Iraq and Afghanistan, and Hezbollah.

Assad’s and his allied forces opposing ISIS are now colliding with the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces opposing ISIS, which consist of Arab rebels and the Syrian Kurds of the PYD.

But if America has decided to use its air power to shoot down Syrian planes attacking rebels we support, this could lead to a confrontation with Russia and a broader, more dangerous, and deadly war for the United States.

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How would we win such a war, without massive intervention?

Is this where we are headed? Is this where we want to go?

For, again, Congress has never authorized such a war, and there seems to be no vital U.S. interest involved in who controls Raqqa and neighboring lands, as long as ISIS is expelled. During the campaign, Trump even spoke of U.S.-Russian cooperation to kill ISIS.

While in Saudi Arabia, however, he seemed to sign on to what is being hyped as an “Arab NATO,” where the U.S. accepts Riyadh as the principal ally and leader of the Gulf Arabs in the regional struggle for hegemony with Shiite Iran.

Following that Trump trip, the Saudis — backed by Egypt, the UAE and Bahrain — sealed their border with Qatar, which maintains ties to Iran. And though Qatar is also host to the largest U.S. air base in the region, al-Udeid, Trump gave the impression its isolation was his idea.

President Trump and his country seem to be at a decision point.

If, after the fall of ISIS in Raqqa, we are going to use U.S. power and leverage to solidify the position of Syrian rebels and Kurds, at the expense of Damascus, we could find ourselves in a collision with Syria, Russia, Hezbollah, Iran and even Turkey.

For Turkish President Erdogan looks on our Kurdish allies in Syria as Kurdish allies of the terrorist PKK inside his own country.

During the campaign, candidate Trump won support by pledging to work with Russia to defeat our common enemy. But if, after ISIS is gone from Syria, we decide it is in our interests to confront Assad, we are going to find ourselves in a regional confrontation.

In Iraq, the U.S. and Iran have a common foe, ISIS, and a common ally, the government in Baghdad. In Syria, we have a common foe, ISIS. But our allies are opposed by Assad, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.

The question before us: After Raqqa and Mosul fall and the caliphate disappears, who inherits the ISIS estate?

The U.S. needs now to delineate the lines of advance for Syria’s Kurds, and to talk to the Russians, Syrians and Iranians.

We cannot allow our friends in the Middle East and Persian Gulf to play our hand for us, for it is all too often in their interests to have us come fight their wars, which are not necessarily our wars.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
June 20, 2017 8:11 am

Russia made threats against Turkey for shooting down their aircraft too.

So far, they have been unwilling to do anything about it beyond huffing and puffing about it, and they would suffer greatly if they did try anything.

If even Turkey can shoot them down with no problem, how much more so the United States?

Ed
Ed
  Anonymous
June 20, 2017 9:59 am

I wish you asshole intelligence shills weren’t so openly stupid.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
June 20, 2017 8:42 am

“….the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces opposing ISIS…”
correction =
“the U.S.-backed Evil al-Qaeda terrorists opposing Assad forces”

Fixed it for you Mr. Buchanan

Note: you did give me my morning laugh with the propaganda “Democratic Forces” description. Are you working on the side with a Government Agency?

Dirtscratcher
Dirtscratcher
  kokoda - the most deplorable
June 20, 2017 4:44 pm

@kokoda,

Note: Buchanan used the term”Syrian Democratic Forces” not “Syrian democratic forces” as the name of an actual organization not as an attempted descriptor of their political approach.

From Wikipedia: “The Syrian Democratic Forces, commonly abbreviated as SDF or QSD, are a multi-ethnic and multi-religious alliance of Kurdish, Arab, Assyrian, Armenian, Turkmen and Circassian militias in the Syrian Civil War.”

I’m glad you got a laugh from your error, but you just might owe Pat an apology for your suggestion of malfeasance.

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 20, 2017 9:13 am

How did the USA get the right to shoot down aircraft of another nation inside that nation? My personal take is that nothing happening in Syria is our business. Surrogates should do their own fighting. At least that way we can maintain plausible deniability.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
June 20, 2017 9:18 am

Mr. Milquetoast says, “We cannot allow our friends in the Middle East and Persian Gulf to play our hand for us, for it is all too often in their interests to have us come fight their wars, which are not necessarily our wars.”

Let’s get real about this. This is all about Israel and their determination to remove Hezbollah as a threat to their hegemonic aims over Lebanon and Southwest Syria. That fucking shithole will bring us into nuclear war with the Russians and they don’t even seem to give a fuck. The US is a pathetic bitch without any will of it’s own but rather takes it’s orders from Tel Aviv and Riyadh. The US is not fighting terrorists. It breeds them. It nourishes them. Terrorists are the health of the fascist police state.

It is Iran and Russia that are fighting terrorists. God be on their side and crush this evil axis of Zionists and Salafists that threatens the very existence of humanity.

Mac Tírè
Mac Tírè
  Zarathustra
June 21, 2017 12:13 am

Well said. But it’s “its” not “it’s.”

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
June 20, 2017 9:25 am

The Deep State is pulling out all the stops to create a huge military conflict and blame it on everything and everybody except the real perpetrators . The treasonous actions of the Military Industrial Complex and the supporters from Wall Street to K-Street to Capitol Street to the Pentagon all with revolving back doors to assure the United States continues to stick its dick beaters where constitutionally we have no business doing . In my entire life the majority of conflicts have done nothing to protect or defend my country or my fellow citizens . This entire system of Wash Rinse Repeat war with no authority by my countries law no longer will flush . We have no congressman or Senators with the brains or the balls to declare a war , so shut your stupid fucking shit spewing bottom feeding mouth full of lies ! You assholes want a war pick up a rifle for you and your children and go get your ass shot off .
We will be grilling and chilling at the beach .

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Administrator
June 20, 2017 11:24 am

Picture of the Iranian Shahed 129 drone that was shot down:

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flash
flash
June 20, 2017 12:23 pm

All you need to know. Israeli wars . American blood and treasure. #CuckingForIsrael

Israel Has Been Secretly Funding Syrian Rebels For Years
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-19/israel-has-been-secretly-funding-syrian-rebels-years

The Israeli army is in regular communication with rebel groups and its assistance includes undisclosed payments to commanders that help pay salaries of fighters and buy ammunition and weapons, according to interviews with about half a dozen Syrian fighters. Israel has established a military unit that oversees the support in Syria—a country that it has been in a state of war with for decades—and set aside a specific budget for the aid, said one person familiar with the Israeli operation.

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Transcript available
From last weekend’s Brainstorm event with Dr. Martin van Creveld, Israeli military historian and the author of The Transformation of War and A History of Strategy: From Sun Tzu to William S. Lind:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/06/transcript-available.html

VOX: Speaking of the US, I am curious to know what the general opinion in Israel is of the American neocons who, like you said, have been trying to overthrow Assad. They have overturned the Ukrainian government, the Libyan government, the Iraqi government, etc. What is the general view of the neocons in Israel?

MVC: Oh, we love them. The Israelis are very happy to fight the Arabs and the Iranians with American blood. During the first Gulf War, Israel was then under Yitzhak Shamir and did whatever it could to encourage an American invasion of Iraq. I wouldn’t say that this was decisive but they tried. It was the same when the Americans invaded Iraq for the second time. It was the same when Americans clashed with Iran over nuclear weapons. Each time you can see this very consistently. You can see the Israeli Right and, to some extent, even the Left say okay, this is lovely, we are going to let the Americans put the chestnuts in the fire for us.

Myself, I must say, that I dislike this policy very much. But certainly most Israelis like it. They like to be on the side of the strong as I see it. They push America as much as they can into these ventures. Just today I saw a famous t-shirt that says “Don’t worry America, Israel is behind you.” I also know that some Americans, like Pat Buchanan, have been writing that these lousy Israelis have been trying to use American for their own purposes and have unfortunately they have succeeded. So, personally I am not happy about this policy. I think that it may well one day act as a boomerang.

VOX: Do you think it is bad for Israel to be dependent in that way?

MVC: Yes, because, as we say in Hebrew, “the one who’s got the money has the say.” It’s bad in several ways, it is bad in the sense that we are tilting too much in the Republican direction. That is a bad thing in my view. It’s not bipartisan. There is a danger that one day support for Israel will probably fade and people will say enough of this. They will say Israelis are exploiting us with American-Jewish help. They are exploiting us for their own purposes. Let them go and fight their own wars. I have been warned more than once by my American friends that this is one day going to happen. It hasn’t happened yet but it is going to happen one day and it worries me. Frankly, it worries me.

VOX: Yeah, you don’t want to use your allies on a war that you don’t need and then not have their support when you actually need it.

MVC: Exactly.

Gayle
Gayle
June 20, 2017 7:53 pm

One of these days the US is gonna get kicked in the ass.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind – this is one of the immutable laws of the universe.