Good Luck Getting Out Of That Subprime Auto Loan When Used Car Prices Crash

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We’ve written frequently in recent months about the coming subprime auto crisis which will very likely be prompted by a wave of off-lease vehicles that will flood the market with used inventory over the coming years.  In fact, Morgan Stanley recently predicted that the surge in used inventory could result in as much as a 50% crash in used car prices over the next couple of years which would, in turn, put further pressure on the new car market which has already resorted to record incentive spending to maintain volumes.

Here are just a couple of our most recent notes on the topic:

Of course, while pretty much anyone has been able to purchase that brand new BMW of their dreams over the past 5 years…courtesy of a surge in subprime lending volumes….


 

getting out of those loans once used car prices crash and millions of Americans are left with massive negative equity balances won’t be quite so easy…just ask Yvette Harris who is still making payments on her 1997 Mitsubishi nearly a decade after her car was repossessed.  Per the New York Times:

More than a decade after Yvette Harris’s 1997 Mitsubishi was repossessed, she is still paying off her car loan.

She has no choice. Her auto lender took her to court and won the right to seize a portion of her income to cover her debt. The lender has so far been able to garnish $4,133 from her paychecks — a drain that at one point forced Ms. Harris, a single mother who lives in the Bronx, to go on public assistance to support her two sons.

“How am I still paying for a car I don’t have?” she asked.

For millions of Americans like Ms. Harris who have shaky credit and had to turn to subprime auto loans with high interest rates and hefty fees to buy a car, there is no getting out.

Many of these auto loans, it turns out, have a habit of haunting people long after their cars have been repossessed.

And while the aggregate subprime auto credit balances are no where near the trillions in debt that was extended to subprime mortgage borrowers leading up to the great recession, for many low-income Americans the fallout could actually be worse because they can’t simply walk away.

With mortgages, people could turn in the keys to their house and walk away. But with auto debt, there is increasingly no exit. Repossession, rather than being the end, is just the beginning.

“Low-income earners are shackled to this debt,” said Shanna Tallarico, a consumer lawyer with the New York Legal Assistance Group.

Meanwhile, with low-income borrowers unable to afford a lawyer in many cases, defendants often skip court dates and don’t even realize they’re still on the hook for payments until debt collectors start to garnish their wages.

“Essentially, the dealers are not selling cars. They are selling bad loans,” said Adam Taub, a lawyer in Detroit who has defended consumers in hundreds of these cases.

Many lawyers assisting poor borrowers like Ms. Robinson say they learn about the lawsuits only after a judge has issued a decision in favor of the lender.

Most borrowers can’t afford lawyers and don’t show up to court to challenge the lawsuits. That means the collectors win many cases, transforming the debts into judgments they can use to garnish wages.

Of course, if used car prices tank leaving millions of people with negative equity balances and defaults from auto loans they could never afford in the first place…you know what that means for new car prices…

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MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
June 20, 2017 7:54 am

She asked, “How am I still paying for a car I don’t have?”

Look, you’re the one that made the deal…oh wait you were of those folks that car dealers broke into their house at gunpoint and forced you to sign that car loan…sorry.

Better to ask, “Why was I so fucking stupid to agree to borrow money for something, that was at best, an iffy deal?” Followed immediately by, “Isn’t there some beater I could have gotten into that’ll do the job and won’t leave me on the hook for $1,000s?”

I look around and see lots and lots of brand new shiny trucks and I gotta admit, wow, they sure are pretty. Then I get into my 14 year old, well maintained Nissan Titan, that still runs great and the best part, it was paid for in full the day I drove it off the lot, as a used truck, back in 2006.

Car payments suck.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 20, 2017 8:13 am

If someone doesn’t know how much they can afford in the first place, they shouldn’t be buying till the find out.

Who was it said “there’s a new one born every minute”?

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 20, 2017 9:17 am

Quinn saw this coming 3 or 4 years ago.

Life is hard and it’s harder when you’re stupid.

Aquapura
Aquapura
June 20, 2017 10:14 am

Will the prices tank already? Need to get my lady a new ride but used vehicle prices are still hovering between insanity and highway robbery.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
June 20, 2017 1:11 pm

Greetings,

I can’t stop it so I may as well profit from it. I’m putting away some cash so that I’ll be positioned to pick up something when my 1989 Chevy S-10 does finally go to the grave. It, too, was paid for the day I got it. Of course, it still runs perfectly because I will not let any bit of maintenance go unattended. I wouldn’t part with it unless the entire motor exploded and even then I might just drop another V6 in it.

I’ve never owned a car that I didn’t pay cash for.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  NickelthroweR
June 20, 2017 4:45 pm

” I’m putting away some cash”

And therein lies the secret to being financially free as opposed to being a debt slave. It doesn’t take too much discipline to avoid debt, save money for “wants” and get ahead financially. Sure it’s not popular and your friends might not be too impressed with your choices but avoiding debt will put you on the road to riches. When those unimpressed friends are eating dog food in retirement you’ll be vacationing and enjoying the fruits of living debt free.

Bob
Bob
June 20, 2017 2:02 pm

These people who are getting dunned by the subprime auto lenders do not need a lawyer. All they have to do is show up in court on the appointed day and time, and the judge will ask the parties to continue with payment/settlement discussions — no defaults, no garnishment orders. Unfortunately, people are too ignorant and/or scared to appear at one of these court hearings and stand up for themselves, and the judges throw them to the wolves in absentia.

Tom
Tom
June 20, 2017 7:44 pm

Responsibility??

Miles Long
Miles Long
  Tom
June 20, 2017 9:56 pm

What a strange concept, Tom.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
June 20, 2017 11:58 pm

Reminds me of an old friend that did repo’s , well can you afford $100 dollars a month , oh I doesn’t knows if I can do dat ? OK , how about $25 a week ? Ya I sure can do dat ?????
That is a true story which tells the tale . Too many people have no clue how much the car actually cost . All they concern themselves with is the monthly payment . Couple that with a poor understanding or just plain stupid concerning what they actually sign and poof instant debt slave . There is no fix for stupid !
Remember the woman financially screwed out of her house according to Obama in a state of the union message the poor victim . Bought a house she could not afford without her sister renting space to help with the payment (stupid move #1) then as values went up she refinanced and rolled a Lexus in (stupid move #2) then as values went up refinanced and rolled a luxury cruise for the family in (stupid move #3)
Then sister lost her job and the balloon payment on the ARM came due and surprise poor Hattie was foreclosed on and evicted . She lived like a rock star for a few years but somehow I am supposed to have sympathy for her because she cannot handle elementry or middle school math .
I have some cash set aside for the next bubble burst . We know it’s coming !