Guest Post by The Zman
A useful way to experience the lunacy of Progressives is to discuss guns with your local lefty. Most people understand that gun control is worthless as a tool to control crime or even reduce gun accidents. The people using guns in crime are by definition not the sort to obey gun laws. Similarly, the people inclined to shoot themselves or friends while playing William Tell will find some way to off themselves, no matter what you do. The only result of gun control is to harass honest citizens exercising their rights as citizens.
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The mountain of data in support of liberalized gun laws is beyond dispute. Even if you are not inclined to dig into the details, the fundamental logic is manifest. People who abide by the laws are, by definition, not the sort to break the laws. That means people who break the law are not interested in any new laws you are passing. Therefore, passing gun laws will only inconvenience those who follow the law and do nothing to stop the criminals. At best, gun laws are just a tool of the state to go after the more clever street gangs.
Despite all this, Progressives obsess over gun laws. This story from a few months ago is a good example. The people who support this sort of stuff know nothing about guns, gun culture or gun shows. Yet, they remain convinced that gun shows resemble an arms bizarre in the Middle East, where bearded men buy and sell military gear. Further, they remain convinced that gun shows are exempt from the thousands of gun laws on the books. They are convinced that “gun show loophole” is a real thing.
That’s what makes guns a useful topic for understanding the Prog mind. All of us have had the experience where the Prog friend or relative starts going on about guns. Someone then steps forward to correct all of their errors about guns and gun laws. Then someone gently explains to them the anti-logic at the core of gun control. The Prog will take correction, nod along and seem to understand the material, but then soon after they will be repeating the same gun control slogans they were saying the last time.
It’s tempting to think it is a mental illness and to some degree it is. It’s just the nature of the fanatic. They see only that which confirms the nature of their fanaticism. That simple and seemingly effective conversation you had with the blue haired girl at the office about guns may as well have been in Swahili. As soon as she confronted disconfirmation, her receptors shut down and she went onto autopilot, appearing to comprehend what you were saying, but not really hearing any of it. You were Charlie Brown’s teacher.
It’s why it is an error to think they are stupid or dishonest. Those things may be true, but the reality is, they don’t know they are doing it. It’s as natural to them as blinking is to the living. Gun control has become an obsession with Progs, because they are convinced it harms white people, particularly white men. Again, this is not malice of forethought. It is instinctual as the Prog faith is an explicit rejection of the culture created by western white males. Gun control reminds them of this and it makes them feel good, so they embrace it.
This is why gun control has been a political topic for more than fifty years. G. Gordon Liddy, when he was in the Nixon administration, worked on gun control. That was the early 1970’s. His task was to help craft regulations to get the so-called “Saturday Night Special” off the streets, particularity the streets of DC. That term came into the lexicon via the Gun Control Act of 1968. In other words, like the “gun show loophole”, 1960’s Prog fanatics invented a phrase to market gun control, despite the fact there was no such thing.
That’s what makes the gun issue useful in understanding the Prog mind. Gun control as a social policy has been thoroughly discredited, but that does not dissuade the Left from pushing gun control. It’s why it is pointless to think you can change their mind or get them to reconsider their position. The Prog is beyond the reach of facts and reason. They are the truest of true believers committed to a cause they put above all else. You can no more talk them out of their beliefs than talk a Muslim out of his faith.
This applies to all issues, not just guns. Take a look at this video of Tucker Carlson talking with the neocon nutter, Ralph Peters. The neocons have been wrong about everything with regards to foreign policy. Despite the disastrous results, they continue to advocate for the same polices that have been discredited by reality. At one point, Peters admits to having been wrong about Iraq, but then seamlessly presses the case for repeating the mistake in Syria. It’s as if he tuned out his own admission of failure.
The lesson here is that there’s no point in trying to reason with a fanatic. Whether or not the neocons are the Trotsky wing of the Progs or the Buckleyites is debatable, but there is no debate about their fanaticism with regards to Muslims and the Russians. The endless fake news about Russia and the election is rooted in neocon fanaticism. They are sure Putin is Tsar Alexander III threatening to impose the May Laws on Manhattan. The abject lunacy of it, like the lunacy of gun control, has no effect on the mind of these fanatics.
There’s another lesson here. The NRA has been the one effective organization in the culture wars of the last half century. They do not win every fight, but they have managed to claw back territory after having lost some fights in the 60’s and 70’s. The reason is they avoided party politics and the temptations of political access, They stuck to building majorities in favor of their issues. They win because they transcend Washington politics and build large coalitions in favor of gun rights. Our team can learn a lot from the NRA.
“You were Charlie Brown’s teacher.” You have to be a certain age to get the reference. (Wa wa wa… ). I’ve used that analogy and some younger people I’ve said it to didn’t quite get it. I should have used a Bevis and Butthead example, I suppose.
Check out the Minneapolis Star & Tribune – Minneapolis cops shot and killed a 50 yr/old white (babe – really) – they didn’t have their body cam’s on.
http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1
We’re going to hear about this for months.
Somali Cop – no kidding!
Mind numbed robots are everywhere in our society. The majority are Progs, but a significant minority have bought the neocon propaganda and didn’t notice its disastrous results.
Guns can be controlled, one inch groupings at 100 yards is what I strive for. The only groupings the brothers in the hood are looking for is in front of the liquor store, the wrong methodology!
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/338-lapua-destroys-can-1236-yards-video/amp/
Need to work on my long-range to catch up….
I usually tell these white Progressives that gun violence in America is mostly black interCity violence and if they want to ban guns ban blacks from having them.Then I mock their stupid response and walk away.Fuck white Progressives including the ones in my own family.I try to avoid them as much as I do blacks.
Proglodytes are a gift that keep on giving, hours of non stop entertainment and teachable moments for others on the inner workings of mental retardation.
That ralph peters video was priceless, he called Tucker Carlson a Nazi, a collaborator, and apologist all because he refused to agree that Putin is the most evil ever. Cause he killed babies dontchaknow, What a douche. Tucker destroyed him as he does most of the foaming mouth breathers of the left.
The left in this country has lost the gun control debate. I know this to be true when my stepmom who for decades has been a flaming prog suddenly a few years ago decides she has to have a pistol. I just hope she doesn’t shot herself in the foot.
The only thing they are left to offer is the weak sauce, served up by a bunch of overly pampered, self indulgent, yuppies suffering from a hormonal imbalance of unhealthy levels of estrogen. the feel good solution of ‘sensible safety regulations’ should be thrown back in their ugly faces and ground into dust. I have already passed my background checks, and paid my tax on my weapons so fuck you.
Best thing one can do is teach a kid to safely and effectively use firearms. That is where the battle lies in the future. Also the good side of gun culture and how guns have played a positive role in this country since the start. Anyone who still doesn’t like guns doesn’t have to have one. they can sit in the dark, cold and afraid when the animals all break out of the zoo.
Keep exploding those idiot heads!
..Talking about William Tell, reminds me of this:
Fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyUEPfRvMsM
Guns are good for society – actually essential.
http://hirocker.com/guns/the-democratization-of-violence.html
The issue in gun control isn’t the gun, it’s the control.
Across the board control of the people, and usually against their will, for the good of the State and therefore (presumably) the people as a whole.
This is the outgrowth of the Leftist idea that “social forces” control people instead of the individuals controlling themselves that is at the core of Marxism. All of Marxism, Communism and Liberalism stems from this idea.
Guns simply one thing that make the process more difficult and stand in the way of the perfect Leftist run society where the people do not control themselves but are controlled by the larger body of the people called the State.
To change the Leftist attitude about gun control you have to change their ideas about control, not about guns.
Third, perpetually forwarding the falsehood that the NRA, absent the Neal Knox era (when he was almost assassinated in the Texas diner he ate at everyday, across the street from his office), has EVER done anything to stop any firearm regulation.
They’re great at taking money, good at taking credit, but failed on nearly everything since they supported GCA ’68.
Yes sir!
Brady and more.
They also had a hand in promoting such great men of the people as the Bushes, Romney, and John McSenile.
The only argument I’ve used successfully is to point out that if all guns disappeared, the world would be a safer place… but only for the young and the strong. The weak, the elderly, and 99% of women would once again be at the mercy of the physically strong. Guns changed that.
The Prog’s attitude is bizarre, but they think gun shows are a bazaar.
When left with blanks to fill in this paragraph becomes quite adaptable.
That’s what makes the xxxxxx issue useful in understanding the xxxxxx mind. Xxxxxx as a xxxxxx policy has been thoroughly discredited, but that does not dissuade the Xxxxxx from pushing xxxxxx. It’s why it is pointless to think you can change their mind or get them to reconsider their position. The Xxxxxx is beyond the reach of facts and reason. They are the truest of true believers committed to a cause they put above all else. You can no more talk them out of their beliefs than talk a Xxxxxx out of his faith.
For example consider the last sentence in the original, “You can no more talk them out of their beliefs than talk a Muslim out of his faith.” The statement is as accurate, and truthful, when “Muslim” is replaced with “Christian,” or “Jew,” or “Hindu.”
A more sinister reason they want us disarmed is the fact it’s easier to genocide people who are unable to defend themselves.Look at the leadership of the Jewish Bolsheviks who committed the genocides in Russia then the Ukraine.Most were from New York city who went to Russia as a request of the Jewish Bankers with one goal of taking Power and then killing as many white Russians as they could.Now do you think Jewish hatred for white people has changed much in last 80 years???
I’m sure gun deaths – suicide, accident and murder- would initially go down if all guns were confiscated (since that’s what it would take). Some of the suicides and murders would be accomplished by other means (usually with knives in Mexico), but eventually murders by the government would well more than offset the temporary decline in murders. The prog will incredulously ask “you mean you’re really afraid of the American government?” – to which the only reply is a simple and irrefutable “yes”.
Norman…you should have gotten your mom a gun like the one in the pic below…just for fun .
https://www.zazzle.ca/smile_wait_for_flash_jpg_mouse_pad-144143158295062611
Behind all this civil rights bullshit for blacks was a Jewish hatred of Western Civilization especially the Christian faith. Jews were the brains behind it all .They were the legal arm .They used blacks as biological weapons against white society.Jews don’t give one rats ass about blacks .Only how they can use them to destroy what they hate.Some Jews will admit this if you can get them taking about the 60s and race.
A man with a gun is a citizen of the state and an unarmed man is a subject of the state.
Justine Damond made a fatal mistake – she called the copfuks.
There is only one reason any legislaters design and pass any gun control law that restricts law abiding citizens in any way from exercising the right to keep and bear arms . They fear us and what we are capable of should we orginize to give our government officials the true reward they so richly deserve . Open your eyes to what has been done to our country by economic traitors from Wall Street to K-Street to Capitol Street