I dunno, perhaps you can tell us since it seem to interest you so much. How many crusaders intentionally murdered civilians with the intent of forcing political change? That is the definition of terrorism, so go on and educate us. Might want to toddle back to the Kos swamps.
Here’s a couple of questions. Just how historically illiterate are you…exactly? Does the fact that the Crusades were a reaction to four centuries of mohammedan aggression and conquest make a dent in your apparent ignorance?
Dirtscratcher
October 23, 2017 3:07 pm
Yeah, but it’s a stoopid question.
The original general understanding of the definition of “terrorism” was something like this:
The violence or threat of violence by non-state actors against civilian populations in order to extort political concessions which would otherwise not be achievable.
The Crusades do not fit this pattern, and in fact were a defensive response by scattered, disparate and disorganized nations that united as an act of survival to oppose a wave of Islamic Jihadist invaders.
I don’t know why you decided to go at me like that but riddle me this, did Christians/Christianity ever go after indigenous people of any kind (we had a great post a year or so ago about what Christians did to the American Indians) and make them convert or die?
Maybe I should have said the inquisition?
Maybe this is a learning moment for me, you don’t have to be a dick.
All the above are ideologies, correct? Is Christianity an ideology? Does it fit the definition?
Some of those indigenous people had religions based on human sacrifice. Others were cannibals.
As to the Inquisition – it was exaggerated, but since it took 800 years to kick the Muslims the fuck out of Spain, people were understandably worried about the Moriscos.
Google could have given you your answer. And it is the entire Inquisition over a long period of time couldn’t kill like ISIS in it’s couple of year existence.
And no, Christianity is not an ideology. Several ideologies are rooted in Christianity but it isn’t itself one. Unlike Islam which is both religion and ideology because it prescribes an exact form of government, a culture and a religion all in one.
The Spanish Inquisition was intended to root out false converts in Spain, who had falsely converted to Catholicism from judiaism and islam. It was essentially a counter-espionage operation, to discover and eliminate foreign agents.
In islamic Spain, the jews nominally served the muslim rulers, in oppressing and exploiting the Spaniards. Many of them fled to the islamic Ottoman Empire, rather than remain in Spain after the Reconquista. Some of them stayed, and pretended to convert to Christianity – some muslims did the same – acting as a subversive fifth column, attacking Spanish society from within, to pave the way for another muslim conquest.
Riddle answer: No, they did not. Christians do not, and have not, ever made people “convert or die” . Free will is at the core of the faith. Anybody that ever did this, did so as a departure from their faith, not as a fulfillment.
P. S. Yes, I do have to be a dick. I AM a dick. It just comes naturally to me; I just can’t help it.
A religion becomes an ideology when the followers of the religion cannot tolerate the existence of those who have different views or beliefs, and when they understand their religious text literally and refuse to accept any way of understanding the religion other than their own way of understanding.
One quote worth mentioning: “He took with him from Muscovy so great a multitude of captives as would scarcely be considered credible; they say the number exceeded eight hundred thousand, part of whom he sold Kaffa to the Turks, and part he slew. The old and infirmed men, who will not fetch much at a sale, are given up to the Tatar youths, either to be stoned, or to be thrown into the sea, or to be killed by any sort of death they might please.”
Muslims have been raiding other countries, trading slaves and butchering people since the inception of Islam. No, the crusades are not even remotely comparable, but you would hardly know that given the lack of history taught today.
Muslims treat non-muslims like cattle, and have from the beginning. Non-muslims are simply animals to be traded, sold, sexually abused, tortured for fun, and beheaded. I submit to you that Christianity has never ever been like that, and Christianity was around before Islam.
If ever there were a force controlled by evil in this world, it would be Islam. To believe anything less is to court cultural and religious suicide.
Wip
October 23, 2017 4:52 pm
I have been hammered. I am not an islamist sympathizer I just thought is was strange how Christianity wasn’t even on the chart. Now it is clearer to me that Christianity is not an ideology.
Thank you to those who didn’t act like tiny dicklings.
I wonder what the Crusades would look like in that graph.
Is this showing all time, this year, last year, the last decade?
It’s just a question.
Where, exactly, in Canada do you live?
San Francisco.
LOL. I was teasing RiNS because of his comment on the “World According to Trump” thread.
I dunno, perhaps you can tell us since it seem to interest you so much. How many crusaders intentionally murdered civilians with the intent of forcing political change? That is the definition of terrorism, so go on and educate us. Might want to toddle back to the Kos swamps.
You are aware that the Crusades were defensive engagements, to drive the muslim invaders out of Europe, and keep them out, right?
[short video on the Crusades]
[long general video on islam]
Here’s a couple of questions. Just how historically illiterate are you…exactly? Does the fact that the Crusades were a reaction to four centuries of mohammedan aggression and conquest make a dent in your apparent ignorance?
Yeah, but it’s a stoopid question.
The original general understanding of the definition of “terrorism” was something like this:
The violence or threat of violence by non-state actors against civilian populations in order to extort political concessions which would otherwise not be achievable.
The Crusades do not fit this pattern, and in fact were a defensive response by scattered, disparate and disorganized nations that united as an act of survival to oppose a wave of Islamic Jihadist invaders.
See this: Bill Warner, PhD: Jihad vs Crusades
Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj8J62BqRMo 1400 shocking years of Islam in 5 minutes
I don’t know why you decided to go at me like that but riddle me this, did Christians/Christianity ever go after indigenous people of any kind (we had a great post a year or so ago about what Christians did to the American Indians) and make them convert or die?
Maybe I should have said the inquisition?
Maybe this is a learning moment for me, you don’t have to be a dick.
All the above are ideologies, correct? Is Christianity an ideology? Does it fit the definition?
Some of those indigenous people had religions based on human sacrifice. Others were cannibals.
As to the Inquisition – it was exaggerated, but since it took 800 years to kick the Muslims the fuck out of Spain, people were understandably worried about the Moriscos.
Google could have given you your answer. And it is the entire Inquisition over a long period of time couldn’t kill like ISIS in it’s couple of year existence.
And no, Christianity is not an ideology. Several ideologies are rooted in Christianity but it isn’t itself one. Unlike Islam which is both religion and ideology because it prescribes an exact form of government, a culture and a religion all in one.
The Spanish Inquisition was intended to root out false converts in Spain, who had falsely converted to Catholicism from judiaism and islam. It was essentially a counter-espionage operation, to discover and eliminate foreign agents.
In islamic Spain, the jews nominally served the muslim rulers, in oppressing and exploiting the Spaniards. Many of them fled to the islamic Ottoman Empire, rather than remain in Spain after the Reconquista. Some of them stayed, and pretended to convert to Christianity – some muslims did the same – acting as a subversive fifth column, attacking Spanish society from within, to pave the way for another muslim conquest.
The Spanish Inquisition was a response to this.
Riddle answer: No, they did not. Christians do not, and have not, ever made people “convert or die” . Free will is at the core of the faith. Anybody that ever did this, did so as a departure from their faith, not as a fulfillment.
P. S. Yes, I do have to be a dick. I AM a dick. It just comes naturally to me; I just can’t help it.
Isn’t that the same thing Islamist sympathizers say?
A religion becomes an ideology when the followers of the religion cannot tolerate the existence of those who have different views or beliefs, and when they understand their religious text literally and refuse to accept any way of understanding the religion other than their own way of understanding.
I just posted the same video links, above, before I saw your post. 🙂
There is much to be re-learned about muslims and the slave trade. A good primer is here: http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/The_Islamic_Trade_in_European_Slaves/
One quote worth mentioning: “He took with him from Muscovy so great a multitude of captives as would scarcely be considered credible; they say the number exceeded eight hundred thousand, part of whom he sold Kaffa to the Turks, and part he slew. The old and infirmed men, who will not fetch much at a sale, are given up to the Tatar youths, either to be stoned, or to be thrown into the sea, or to be killed by any sort of death they might please.”
Muslims have been raiding other countries, trading slaves and butchering people since the inception of Islam. No, the crusades are not even remotely comparable, but you would hardly know that given the lack of history taught today.
This isn’t taught anywhere as far as I know.
Muslims treat non-muslims like cattle, and have from the beginning. Non-muslims are simply animals to be traded, sold, sexually abused, tortured for fun, and beheaded. I submit to you that Christianity has never ever been like that, and Christianity was around before Islam.
If ever there were a force controlled by evil in this world, it would be Islam. To believe anything less is to court cultural and religious suicide.
I have been hammered. I am not an islamist sympathizer I just thought is was strange how Christianity wasn’t even on the chart. Now it is clearer to me that Christianity is not an ideology.
Thank you to those who didn’t act like tiny dicklings.
Since dickling sounds a lot like a clitoris, you should be careful, in case a Muzzie comes to extirpate your tiny dick.
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Haha, love it.
NICE!
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The pattern i see:
Islamophobia…