Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan
Why did Gen. Mike Flynn lie to the FBI about his December 2016 conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak?
Why did he not tell the FBI the truth?
As national security adviser to the president-elect, Flynn had called the ambassador. Message: Tell President Putin not to overreact to President Obama’s expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats. Trump will be president in three weeks, and we are committed to a new relationship.
Not only was this initiative defensible, it proved successful.
Putin accepted the loss of his diplomats and country houses on Long lsland and the Eastern Shore. Rather than expel U.S. diplomats in retaliation, he invited them and their families to the Kremlin’s New Year’s parties.
“Great move…(by V. Putin),” tweeted Trump, “I always knew he was very smart.” This columnist concurred:
“Among our Russophobes, one can hear the gnashing of teeth.
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“Clearly, Putin believes the Trump presidency offers Russia the prospect of a better relationship with the United States. He appears to want this, and most Americans seem to want the same. After all, Hillary Clinton, who accused Trump of being ‘Putin’s puppet,’ lost.”
Flynn, it now appears, was not freelancing, but following instructions. His deputy, K. T. McFarland, sent an email to six Trump advisers saying that Obama, by expelling the Russians, was trying to “box Trump in diplomatically.”
“If there is a tit-for-tat escalation,” warned McFarland, “Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia.” Exactly.
Flynn was trying to prevent Russian retaliation. Yet, as the ex-director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he had to know his call to Kislyak was being monitored and recorded.
So, again, why would he lie to the FBI about a conversation, the contents of which were surely known to the people who sent the FBI to question him?
The other charge of lying about a call with Kislyak was Flynn’s request for Russian help in getting postponed or canceled a Security Council vote on a resolution denouncing Israeli settlements on the West Bank.
Obama’s White House was backing the anti-Israel resolution. And Bibi Netanyahu had asked Trump to weigh in to block the vote.
Bottom line: Flynn, acting on instructions, tried to prevent a U.N. condemnation of Israel, and to dissuade Russia from a mass expulsion of U.S. diplomats, lest this poison the well against a rapprochement for which the American people had voted.
In the court of public opinion, Flynn’s actions would find broad support. Rather than deny knowledge of them, Trump should have taken credit for them.
Why the general would lie to the FBI about conversations he had to know U.S. intelligence had recorded is a puzzling question, but now also an irrelevant one, water over the dam.
For Trump’s general is now the newly conscripted collaborator of the media-Mueller-Democrat-deep state conspiracy to overturn the election of 2016 and bring down the Trump presidency.
Remarkable.
After 18 months, we have no evidence Trump colluded with Russia in hacking the emails of the DNC or John Podesta, which is what the FBI investigation was supposedly about.
There is no conclusive evidence Flynn committed a crime when, as national security adviser-designate, he tried to prevent Obama from sabotaging the policies Trump had run on — and won on.
Yet there is evidence Russian intelligence agents colluded with a British spy in the pay of the oppo research arm of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign — to find dirt on Donald Trump.
And there is evidence James Comey’s FBI wanted to hire the British spy who appeared to have access to the Russian agents who appeared to possess all that wonderful dirt on the Donald.
It is hard to see how this ends well.
This weekend, after Flynn’s admission he lied to the FBI, Beltway media were slavering like Pavlov’s dogs at anticipated indictments and plea bargains by present and former White House aides, Trump family members, and perhaps Trump himself.
The joy on the TV talk shows was transparent.
Yet the media have already been badly damaged; first, by the relentless Trump attacks and the cheering for those attacks by a huge slice of the country; second, by their reflexive reaction. The media have behaved exactly like the “enemy” Trump said they were.
In this us-versus-them country, the media now seem to relish the role of “them.” The old proud journalistic boast to be objective and neutral reporters, observers and commentators is gone.
We are all partisans now.
As last Friday’s sudden 300-point drop in the Dow reveals, if Trump’s enemies bring him down, they will almost surely crash the markets and abort the recovery that took hold in Trump’s first year.
And if the establishment, repudiated by Trump’s victory, thinks it will be restored to the nation’s good graces if they destroy Trump, they are whistling past the graveyard.
When Caesar falls, the cheering for Brutus and Cassius tends to die down rather quickly. Then their turn comes.
What if Flynn remained silent on the last minute sanctions against Russia and the UN condemnation of Israel pled guilty so he could be the spokesman for what happened rather than Trump?
Wouldn’t obama attempting to aggravate Russia, a country that has nuclear weapons, just to undermine Trump knowing full well our generals would be itching for the final battle be guilty of treason? I mean, fuck, when Bush came into the whitehouse all Clinton did was remove the W’s from all the keyboards, he didn’t try to start WWIII.
not a chance
I am being intentionally obtuse.
Let me see if I get this through all the murk:
Flynn, under direction of the soon to be US president or his advisors, managed to avert the escalation of Russian-US military tensions which would have boxed Trump and the country into expansion of the war machine in Eastern Europe.
Now that the world is once again in the hands of rational actors, we will begin the restructuring of the FEMA camps for the Feminazi Clintonistas, right? We will eliminate all the underhanded intrigue that builds up like calcium deposits in plumbing fed by clear mountain spring water if left untreated.
Look, why shouldn’t a diplomatic overture between the incoming President be allowed? And, Flynn lied about what he discussed with the Russian representative (or was it journalist?). He is obviously the first person in government to lie and admit he lied. I am being only partially sarcastic when I say that Foreign Entanglements are the soup de jour.
If having a private contractor install a private server in your hall closet where top secret government documents are thereby downloaded onto your girlfriends computer who later has them downloaded onto her pedophile pervert husbands laptop and then having your hireling smash your government issued blackberries with hammers isn’t crime, then no, this isn’t a death blow.
Of course we’re no talking about logic or reason, just power.
Eagerly expecting mail.
The World Elite are not going to accept Trump and are going to do whatever in necessary to remove him and get their own people back in power.
They would prefer a legal method -no matter how distorted and twisted they make it- of doing it but will do whatever they need to do to get rid of him by other means if that is what ends up being needed.
Flynn’s “lying” is actually something quite minor and there are numerous instances of Hillary and even other dems doing the same and having it ignored, but it is all they can find so far to use as a tool against Trump.
Watch this develop, and don’t be deceived on how the MSM reports it because they are going to be a part of the process. Look at what is actually being done instead of what you are told is being done.
These are interesting times, and times that signal either the rebirth of our nation or the end of it as a sovereign, self governing, and independent nation.
Choose your side and join the fight, no one is going to be unaffected by it and it is better to fight for your side and have a say in your future than to let others decide your fate without you having a say in it.
Rebirth? I wish
Crash landing ? Probably
And just how do you propose we fight? Vote?
I saw a headline on the tube last night, it said “The Russian Threat”.
What, exactly, is the Russian Threat? Can anybody tell me? I have a friend who was in the military (I say, big deal) and he said “You can never trust the Russians”. He’s a black guy (I need to dump my black friends. Actually he’s the only one.) and I said…”Why, because they’re a white country?” He didn’t like that too much. Bwahahahahababababa
This is the real story. Meet Israelgate.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-billionaire-praises-kushner-collusion-netanyahu
I have a different take. Flynn didn’t lie. He just confessed to lying because (1) he faced more serious charges on other issues unrelated to the campaign, and (2) by pleading guilty to lying it can be used to further attack Trump and his people.
The million dollar question here: Flynn’s admitted to lying to the FBI. How can any “testimony” he gives be considered credible?…
Testimony is always credible to those people who have decided to believe it in advance.
So Hillary and her crew get to have “off the record conversations” with the FBI, get granted blanket immunity or simply refuse to testify without consequences. You’ve got to be a dumb motherfucker to even sit down and be interviewed “on the record” by the FBI.
At least without an attorney present to speak for you.
As I pointed out on other sites- you don’t know what excuse was given by the FBI agents when they questioned Flynn, nor do we know the questions asked, or even the answers Flynn gave. It may well be that Flynn didn’t know they were there investigating a “crime”- he may well have thought they were Obama holdovers trying to get information to leak to the press about Trump’s new foreign policy initiatives.
Given the revelations about the FBI interviewer Strzok in the days after Flynn’s plea was filed, but information that was buried for months by Mueller’s team, I would, if I were Flynn and his lawyer, ask the judge to vacate the plea as a corrupt one because they weren’t informed that Strzok was a known and provable anti-Trump partisan. That sort of information is almost at the level of exculpatory in nature. You really have to be an idiot to not realize that the Strzok information was held up for months precisely because he was the guy who interviewed Flynn, and if it comes out before Flynn pleas, Flynn might never make that plea.
I am rather convinced Flynn did not actually lie to the FBI.
Keep in mind what lying to the FBI means…it means they don’t like what you’ve said. If the FBI asks “What color is the sky?” and you say blue, he look outside, decide it is a little overcast and grey, and charge you with lying to the FBI. If you look outside, and answered grey, they can charge you with lying to the FBI because everyone knows the sky is blue. Despite being ordered by DOJ to record interviews, the FBI expressly refuses to record them so that it is the interviewing agent’s word in the summary against the witness, a credibility fight they’re convinced the FBI wins, and no one can prove otherwise with the actual recording.
Flynn made general. Dumb people don’t make general. Flynn is not dumb. Flynn headed the DIA. The head of the DIA knows the federal gov’t monitors everything, even that which they’re not legally allowed to. They are allowed to monitor foreign officials. Flynn knew his conversation was recorded. Smart people who know their conversations were recorded do not lie to the FBI about it.
Flynn plead guilty to make the punitive investigation of him, his son, and the associated legal bills stop. He ran out of money. Unlike Hillary, he didn’t have his lawyer with him, never mind the 13 that attended Hillary’s FBI interview. He didn’t even know he was being interviewed….he thought it was a routine conversation about transition work. He was set up by the FBI, and like the proverbial ham sandwich, got jammed up. He was a general, he never made more than $200k/yr. He was not a multimillionaire who could take the legal bills associated with fighting off an unlimited resource federal prosecution team out to find any little problem to try to get a crowbar under. Unlike Clinton Cronies like the Podesta’s who throw around millions of dollars on Pedophilia “art”.
We need an independent counsel/special prosecutor of the special prosecutor. One whose team has a partisan donation record to match the magnitude of Mueller’s team, but in the opposite direction. And I don’t mean full of deep state establishment R never-Trumpers.
Both Yancey and Rather are exactly correct: Flynn was soon to be bankrupted from the extreme expense of defending himself against the bogus allegations. A ‘soft’ coup is being attempted by the Left.
Lying to the FBI could mean anything. They ask you the same question 7 times, and if one of your answers differs in any way from the other 6 then that’s perjury. But in reality it could be nothing more than pure bullshit. There could be a thousand ways this could be a nothingburger to anyone with common sense. Trump needs to get his hands on those transcripts…
For those not following the qanon posts:
Late last night Q posted that “FLYNN is safe. We protect our patriots. Q”
Seems Mueller’s work may be a smoke screen.
Man I hope this shit is true just to see the leftists collectively loose their fucking minds! If they thought election night was a disappointment, they ain’t seen shit yet.
It sounds to me that Flynn is allowing himself to be used as some sort of Psy-Op human weapon against Mueller and his Deep State bosses. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he has already been told by Trump that he will be rewarded very, very well for his service. What his purpose is I’m not sure but I will say the following.
Any Psy-Op is always designed to feed false information to a party whose destruction is desired.
Psy-Ops are always designed to hide the true intentions of their operators and their goal is to place the blame on an unsuspecting victim- a patsy so to speak, while ruining the opponent for whom it is designed. Usually Psy-Ops feed out all sorts of lies and disinformation in such a manner to draw the enemy out of cover and destroy them by taking advantage of weaknesses that are manifestations of their own mental conditions and beliefs.
It will be very interesting to see how Flynn is manipulating the patsy Mueller into his destruction while exterminating the vermin in the Deep State. Time to stock up on white popcorn and coconut oil for this unfolding show can only deserve the best!
CC, other anon posts question the significance of Mueller (and others) past military careers. Those seeking to find the answer apparently uncovered something (Executive Order I think) that allows POTUS to reinstate former military officers to active duty. Some of his other posts seem to reference the UCMJ and military tribunals. Under certain conditions, again alluded to by Q, POTUS can circumvent civilian courts and use the military courts. Some of his posts reference specific parts of the UCMJ that deal with Mutiny and Sedition and others reference a section that still allows for further prosecution in other courts after a military court is finished.
I’m thinking Mueller and Flynn might be part of the psyop. Part of Mueller’s team is probably working on Russiagate while the rest might actually be working with military intelligence (MI very frequently referenced in the Q posts) to bring down the pedo scum and by happy coincidence, the same fucking NWO, globalist scum that is destroying our country.
Who knows? It’s fun to dream though! Maybe it’s just a giant psy-op against right wingers and alt-righters?
Damn! If Mueller is part of the Psy-Op that would be genius!
Also, here is a thought. It’s not really that hard to figure out who the Psy-op is against. Ask yourself, ” Who is getting fucked up so bad that the damages against them are irreversible?”
Right now it’s the press, and lately it’s the congress politicians who started falling out of the pervert tree the same very week the Democrats started the scandal against Roy Moore.
EO 12223
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/10/20/presidential-executive-order-amending-executive-order-13223
I will say this again, the senior FBI leadership are corrupt, all of them. They should all be fired today. Yes some innocent people will get caught up, but the FBI is corrupt, their house needs to be cleaned out. President Trump shoulf dire them all.
If Q is to be believed, the CIA is far worse than the FBI. Quite a bit of speculation indicates that it may be broken up entirely.
Trump has been bombing the shit out of the CIA’s opium fields and heroin manufacturing facilities in Afghanistan. That’s going to hurt their cash flow and speculation suggests that the Marines are in charge of the CIA in Langley right now by order of da tRump.
I have no fucking idea what the truth is but looking at news headlines through the potential filter of Q is quite fun and certainly better that our regular servings of doom porn.
To Stucky (who lied to me about awarding his signed, Satanic Bible for the 200th comment months ago),
I didn’t say YoBo is a pussy. He’s got an awful lot of bravado for a guy who admittedly has never put crosshairs on a living thing and pulled the trigger. Or served in the military. And he’s constantly talking shit about how whites are going to take America back by force. You know, Day of the Rope and all that.
He’s engaging in a bunch of revolutionary fantasy, not unlike the Antifa folks.
My advice to him is to be very careful about what you wish for. I strongly suspect he has no idea how bad it can get.
“When will YOU Rise Up?” Oh fuck me. Take that childish shit somewhere else. You’re starting to sound like Karl Denninger.
Sorry about Satan’s bible. I need to study it some more before you get it.
Why is revolution a fantasy? Was it a fantasy in 1776? Maybe you think this shit can be fixed? I sure don’t.
Why call me childish? I said nothing. Jesus did. Still, why won’t you? From the tenor of your posts, it sounds like you want peace at any cost. No fighting, no killing, cuz that’s bad. Sure it’s bad. It’s also almost certainly necessary. Rise Up!! You have but one life to give for your country.
Yeah, on that book, I won’t hold my breath. As a matter of fact, just keep it; I don’t think you meant what you said, and I was foolish to think you did.
“Why is revolution a fantasy?” Because the idea that a bunch of amateur, middle-aged white guys with their AR-15s, Mini-14s, and Glocks are going to start expelling Jews, brown people and the government at large is unrealistic. If I need to explain this further, well, I’m at a loss. You’re talking millions upon millions of people displaced. How’s that going to work, exactly? You think they’ll just go quietly?
“Was it a fantasy in 1776?” You had a monarchy trying to control their colonists from across an ocean that took months to cross. Then there were logistics issues of getting your troops fed, watered, sheltered and the like. And the armament used by each side was not so different. Today, some kid in an air-conditioned office can drop a Hellfire on your ass remotely while you’re out raking the leaves. You won’t know what hit you. And YoBo’s going to take back the country with ropes. As the chinese would say: “rotsa ruck”.
“Why call me childish?” It’s childish to call on OTHERS to “Rise Up”, leaving out the details of your own efforts. Notice I am not the one talking trash about violent revolution. It would have been appropriate to ask me that question if I were the one spoiling for a fight.
“I said nothing.” I don’t even know what to say here, you said plenty.
“From the tenor of your posts, it sounds like you want peace at any cost.” I want peace, that’s for damn sure. This country has been at war almost continuously for its entire history. And for what? What did we gain for our blood and treasure? But at any cost? Those are your words, not mine. I love this country and would fight for it. But serious question for people like me: what would you have me do, exactly? How shall I spend my one life?
I await your sage advice. Make it good, as I will be leaving behind an 11 year-old boy and wife of 16 years.
I have to agree with Rdawg on this argument. His points about 1776 compared to today are spot on. Plus, we don’t have the ability to obtain the weapons that the government uses against us, whereas fighters in 1776 could equal or best their counterparts.
The only way a revolution in the U.S. could possibly succeed is if a large part of the military and/ or National Guard started it, at the same time taking over plenty of weapons and bases. Ordinary people trying to start a revolution are going to get Ruby Ridged in no time flat, and the news will portray them as insane gun nuts.
You have a good sense of humor. I almost started crying reading how disappointed you are about not getting the book. I made a mistake anyway. I took a closer look at it. It’s not Satan’s bible …. it’s STAN’S bible. My bad. You still want it?
You’re taking all this revolution and Rise Up shit waaay to seriously.
Anyhow, since you won’t accept the words of Jesus, I shall have to rely on my own words of wisdom posted a few weeks ago; I don’t give s fuck.
I’m 63 years old. Kids grown and gone. Parents just waiting to die. When they croak I’m buying a small cabin somewhere in the boonies, hopefully away far enough from people where I only have to interact with them once or twice a week. I’m a solitary man. Am also pretty much sick and tired of humanity in general.
Been reading about this collapse crap for many years. I don’t think it will happen in my lifetime. Or, at least not for another 10-15 years. I can ride it out, I think. If not, so what? I’m not one who wants to cling to some miserable post 4th Turning hell just for the fuck of it. No, I don’t WANT to die, but it’s inevitable, so I”m not afraid of it. Whatsoever.
In closing, I don’t give a fuck if people rise up, or not. I don’t give a fuck about revolutions, or not. I don’t give a fuck what you, or anybody else does. Don’t take that personally! I USED to have fucks to give. But, I ran out of fucks some time ago. Now, I’m just a grumpy old fuck — a Get Off My Lawn type fucker. I like that Stucky.
You see, I have but one huge desire at this point in my life. That is, to be left the fuck alone. If this shitfuk goverment can do that … along with the huge majority of shitfuk citizens in this morally and socially corrupt country … well, life would be just damned near perfect.
Now, have s nice fucken good night, cuz I’m going to bed. Us old fucks get tired early.
I get it. Roundabout 2009/2010 I freaked. The fuck. Out.
Cashed out my 401(k), bough gold and silver. Bought a water tank, generator, dehydrated food…you get the idea. Wife thought I was nuts, but let me do my thing. She was right, but I am grateful to have the emergency supplies. Helps me stay calm.
But it’s worth noting that my own dear old dad has been waiting for the collapse since the 60’s. I don’t really fret much about it anymore. I don’t have a death wish, but I figure when I die, it’ll be exactly like before I was born: nothing. I am blessed to live in an extremely high percentage area of Mormons. Yeah, they’re smug and cliquish, but well-prepared.
If YoBo’s wildest dreams come true, it will be relatively tame here in northern Utah. I see maybe 2 or 3 black people a year. I can’t say that I have ever seen any Jews. My next door neighbor is hispanic (sorry if I fucked that up, EC), and a transplant from SoCal, and I wouldn’t trade them for anything; they are delightful people and great neighbors despite the fact that they still don’t know how to drive in the snow.
Take care and don’t worry about the book. As I recall, I had to cheat by repeatedly posting to make sure I was number 200 anyway.