While a bipartisan senate group had reportedly reached an “agreement in principle” on DACA, as well as packaging immigration reform in order to avoid a government shutdown next Friday, things took another turn for the bizarre, when the WaPo reported that Trump “grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries” as part of the proposed deal.
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump burst out, referring to African countries and Haiti. Instead, he suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway.
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The comments left lawmakers “taken aback.”
Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.
As reported earlier, the administration announced this week that it was removing the protection for over 200,000 citizens from El Salvador; meanwhile, as part of a potential bipartisan deal, lawmakers discussed restoring protections for countries that have been removed from the temporary protected status program while adding $1.5 billion for a border wall and making changes to the visa lottery system.
And, as so often happens, what was until noon a tentative deal, exploded in the afternoon when Trump changed his mind:
Trump had seemed amenable to a deal earlier in the day during phone calls, aides said, but shifted his position in the meeting and did not seem interested.
As a result, what was until just hours ago a done deal, is now in tatters.
Graham and Durbin thought they would be meeting with Trump alone and were surprised to find immigration hard-liners such as Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) at the meeting. The meeting was impromptu and came after phone calls Thursday morning, Capitol Hill aides said.
After the meeting, Marc Short, Trump’s legislative aide, said the White House was nowhere near a bipartisan deal on immigration.
“We still think we can get there,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said at the daily White House news briefing.
Or maybe not, in which case a government shutdown may be inevitable.
Oh, and as for the White House, it refused to deny that Trump said it.
And the WH does not deny POTUS “sh*thole” comments. pic.twitter.com/GRraWOt35d
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) January 11, 2018
And yes, for those wondering, “shithole” is now trending
Now trending: shithole.
— Glenn Kessler (@GlennKesslerWP) January 11, 2018
What are the shithole countries going to do, cut off immigration and foreign aid to the US?
Trump still talking as if he was at a construction site.
Kokoda – I wish every politician would. The politicianspeak is bullshit.
Llpoh…..understand, but there is a downside. Remember the guy hired by Trump and he lasted about a week; that guy had a foul mouth (I’m being nice). I don’t think a modern, educated society should be run by people that use filth expletives that are blasted over the media.
There is a time and place.
Kokoda – he did not blast it over the media. It was said in a private, small meeting.
I do not want to ser a full on use of foul language in public. But occasionally calling a spade a spade or a shithole a shithole seems appropriate.
And those shitholes are indeed shitholes.
Once again, how do you KNOW that he said it? You’re being told that he did by a reporter who was told by a guy who wishes to remain anonymous, who said that he/she/it heard it from someone who was there. Allegedly.
That’s not exactly a slam dunk, evidence-wise.
Fuck this shithole it’s Friday
These are leaks – he did not say that in public. Besides, it seems every liberal can say “Fuck Trump” over and over again. And then also – we are part of the deplorables / racists / xenophobes – look who’s calling names.
Trump asked the question: “Whey are we bringing all these people from shithole countries” That’s a good question – I have not heard one politician say why they want this. It’s without logic.
My theory is that Catholic / Lutheran charities want money – there is a lot of money in resettling ignorant / uneducated / unmannered shithole dwellers. They need a lot of help. Help = more $$ for these charities.
White people from Europe – Norway / England / Germany – they need no help, thus no $$.
Follow the money.
One of the things I like about him.
I gave you a thumbs up, because your statement is true, and its also awesome. I have to listen to that faggot Justin Trudeau all the time, who couldn’t make an unequivocal statement on something as mundane as his favourite colour.
He’s simply saying what most of think / say.
You must be a shithole nation turd.
Is he the greatest president ever or what? I can find no account where somebody tried to answer his question. That would have been a beauty
Look, you don’t go around denying things you haven’t said, that’s ludicrous. All you’d ever do is deny shit. Some unknown somebody says you said something and now you’re under some kind of obligation to go on the record to deny it?
“…Trump said, according to these people…”
What people are those? I can’t seem to find anyone willing to go on the record.
Like I said two days ago, check-mate.
I have zero idea how he is able to push their buttons the way he does, but they seem completely incapable of not rising to the bait. Every. Damn. Time.
Two things here- Let’s just say that he did say it, he didn’t say it when everyone was sitting around the table in front of the press and the Dems were making their play for 75 million brand new voters to be given amnesty at the expense of the rest of the taxpaying American citizens who follow the rules. No, he said it behind closed doors, where no one got it on tape and he didn’t say it to anyone with the balls to come forward and challenge him on it, he picked some low level, scuttling peon who predictably ran to the press and gave an “off the record” account that will never be verified.
So either he said it- in which case we know what the future of immigration looks like, at least for the next seven years- or he didn’t in which case all the MSM has done is shown themselves for the Fake News writers they are and they wind up having to take that back too. And as a bonus the term “shithole countries” is now firmly embedded in the minds of psychotic progs, triggering them every time they hear the word ‘immigrant’ AND it sends a message to his base.
How does he lose?
Hsf – his base just got a mega jolt of energy from that comment.
I know, right? He probably had the leaker steered intentionally into some alcove and he positioned himself exactly in the right place for his comment to be overheard. Then he just let nature take its course.
There is no downside to this, none.
This really is Sun Tzu in action. “If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him.”
You are probably exactly right, HSF.
I have seen very similar maneuvers in corporate/governmental positions where people in charge manage to drop enough hints to allow their enemies to make fools of themselves.
So his base consists of 8th graders? lol
Because 8th Graders have a better understanding of the costs of unchecked migration on the economic costs and social stability of the modern nation state?
That’s a testament to the quality of our school system.
Rabbit, his base consists of people who are just plain fed up with the state and direction of the nation and welcome someone honest enough to point it out in language that is both honest and specific enough for most people to easily understand.
Trump is not “honest”. And I’m sure at some level you know that.
Why is he not honest?
Particularly in regard to the alleged “shithole” statement which is what is being discussed?
Be specific, not evasive, if you reply to the question.
If you mean “he manipulates people and their perceptions in order to gain an advantage” then yeah, he’s not “honest”.
If you mean he is telling blatant falsehoods that can easily be proven to be lies, then pony up.
You understand exactly who and what he is up against, right? What part of any existing establishment or elite has he won over or is in control of? It appears to be a completely unified resistance to him at virtually every level across the entire spectrum of The Cathedral.
Here’s a start:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
If Trump has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it may be unfair to call hm a liar. Because someone with that disorder cannot grasp the concept of “truth”. It would be like calling a schizophrenia a liar because his delusions & hallucinations don’t exist in the real world. Trump is only aware of what benefits him at the moment. When it suits his needs, he will flip and refer to these “shithole countries” as “wonderful places with great people”.
And “It appears to be a completely unified resistance to him at virtually every level across the entire spectrum of The Cathedral”????
What the hell does that mean? Are you suggesting some vast, highly organized conspiracy against Trump? If so, then it’s your turn to pony up.
Baizuo!
Intelligent people swear alot.
That’s a great synopsis of the moment, Hardscrabble. Truly well said
….is now firmly embedded in the minds of psychotic progs, triggering them every time they hear the word ‘immigrant’ AND it sends a message to his base.
Yep
The pacing and leading that Trump has done here is amazing!
HSF. Truer words have not been spoken. What I find most hilarious is he planned this all along. He gathered everyone together just the other day. Looked like the Great Statesmen for which the Republican Establishment yearns. Kept the cameras around for an hour or so just to get pictures of all the snakes in action. Fuck, even Anna Navarro fell for it. Called him measured in tone and having the right pitch. Then the cameras leave and the shitty deals start.
The Dems and Cuck Republicans don’t want a wall.
Trump and base do.
Cameras are rolled out and people smile.
There are promises that a wall gets built.
Some day.
Updates are given that deal is close.
Everybody excited, including Nararro, that Trump is going to sign whatever comes to his desk. Those CONgress critters were being dishonest double dealers. A fella can’t blame them for trying. They are only doing what comes naturally.
Reagan fell for the bait and switch in 86.
Everyone thought Trump was going to as well.
Everyone should know by now what the swamp wants.
They don’t want reform.
They want voters that will fog a mirror.
They want a permanent underclass to work for peanuts.
They want to enrich the industries that fund their campaigns and “special interests”
The Trump derangement syndrome subsides and without warning Trump goes nuclear.
He has won!
This will trend for months and years…..
and Anna Narvarro is back to being a shrieking unhinged lunatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjnXydLVezA
The Prog base is left wondering what button to press.
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Trump cat calls like a Boss on a construction site. His admirers stand and leers..
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And best of all it is trending on a platform that spends its days trying to squelch those cheers.
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It is an amazing master stroke of persuasion.
Rob – the Vincente Fox quote is fantastic! With what authority does Trump proclaim who is welcome? Well, fuck me dead, but last time I looked Trump was still POTUS. And as such he has enormous authority. Hell, I believe he has authority to stop ALL non US citizens from entering the US.
These dickheads need to get a frigging clue.
Yup, I can’t help but laugh. And yes he does have the authority under Article Two of the United States Constitution. Man alive there is some serious Derangement when the former President of Mexico is tweeting shit like that. Can’t blame the guy. He has Stockholm Syndrome as result of all the violence in his GREAT country. Still…
Quesadilla Fox can suck on a bucket of dicks!
Apparently a single judge in California has the power to STOP the POTUS direction.
That is only evidence of judical over reach. Nothing more. Activist Judges in Leftist jurisdictions can throw up injunctions but this will, as all before, be overturned when it gets to SCOTUS.
So now we’re back to “HE’S CRAAAAAAZY!” from the exact same people who two days ago were talking about what a great diplomat he was, how gracious and accommodating and today HEEE’S CRAAAAZY!!!!
So what exactly does that say about their judgment? How can a guy be the type you can sit down with and have meaningful dialogue with on Tuesday and on Thursday he’s an insane mad man who wants to blow up the world? A couple of those events and your strained credibility becomes a political liability. You look unhinged, or hypocritical or worse, stupid. And that’s what’s happening, absent whatever motivations my exist under the surface for his end game. He just keeps making them look stupid, over an over without actually changing the way he operates. And because they really haven’t got a rational, reasonable or logical approach to any of the issues we face, only emotional ones, they can’t respond in any other way. They’re trapped by their own system, their own creation, their own rules. He’s not playing by those rules because he isn’t a politician, he’s hybrid businessman/showman who knows what he wants and how to get there by using the other guys weakness.
I tried to explain this before using the comedy analogy because it’s apt- getting a room full of strangers to laugh on command every fifteen to thirty seconds for an hour straight and end every show on applause at precisely the moment you want them to isn’t a gift or really even a talent, it’s a trick based on triggering a certain crowd response to specific cues. Once you’ve figured it out it isn’t a problem to get people to laugh at things they hold dear or laugh and then balk at the fact that they betrayed their own ‘beliefs’. That’s what he’s figured out how to do on a much more meaningful level. He’s playing them and they don’t even know that it’s happening. And the next thing you know the ball is that much further down the field.
It’s fascinating to watch.
“How can a guy be the type you can sit down with and have meaningful dialogue with on Tuesday and on Thursday he’s an insane mad man ”
It’s easy. I do it here all the time.
I REST MY CASE.
SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
He is not crazy. Just very good at what he does..
It is fascinating to watch. Trump just continues to poke holes in the cognitive dissonance of all folks in this world. On both the left with the Anna Navarros and on the right with Ann Coulters people everywhere don’t know which way to turn. Everyone is off balance.
And now the only thing left to do is wait for Donald Trump to speak himself, unfiltered….
in a hundred forty characters or less via a proven platform where he is abhorred.
All it sez to me is
A FU to Twatter, Farcefuck and Gaggle and all the haters that will never vote for him anyways!
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“The Dems and Cuck Republicans don’t want a wall. Trump and base do.”
You do remember Trump assured us Mexico was going to pay for the wall, right?
Who cares, Baizuo? The cost is insignificant.
If the wall is built, and it does keep illegal immigrants who only take from the system and commit crimes, that’s payment enough.
Speaking of “shrieking unhinged lunatic”, where’s Alex Jones been?
Alex Jones is a performance artist. His medium is the message.
Tell me how this wasn’t a put-up…
Morgan was being just as ridiculous in his own way. Jones just played the foil..
It seems the rabbit doesn’t get it.. yet.
For 50 years the right has fought the left with reasoned debate.. and lost BIGTIME!
Now using Saul Alinsky’s rulez for radicals they have switched the tables and enjoined the debates for the normalization of insanity.
Fighting the left with “reasonable” debate if an effort in futility.
Because reason requires logical thought and the Left doesn’t think using logic, instead they emote in its place.
Boy oh boy do I hope you are right about that. I fear that once Trump is gone we go right back to playing nice.
“Now using Saul Alinsky’s rulez for radicals….”
Have you read “Rules for Radicals”?
irrelevant when
..it can be boiled down to this..
12 Rulez For Radicals
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.“ Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.“ It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.“ Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.“ If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.“ There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.“ They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.“ Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.“ Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.“ Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.“ Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
11. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.“ Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
12. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.“ Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
THE END!
Read thru that list Varmit. Looks to this bystander that Trump is using several of those kill shots just this week.
Alex Jones does the exact same thing.
Those two men are the threat they are, only because they are so effective…
So primary sources are “irrelevant”? Well that explains a lot of what I see posted on TBP. lol
Somehow, Anna Narvarro reminds me of this former broadcaster (broad-caster?), (broadcasterette?)
(broadcasteress?), whatever.
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Disagree with all of you cheering ‘shithole’ by the Pres.
If I had young daughters and sons listening to news on TV and this is the typical fare they would hear; just wonderful.
People emulate their ‘betters’, bosses, etc.
Scaramucci: “I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to suck my own cock,”
The future as you want it.
You have yet to prove that he said it and if you want to protect your children or other sensitive creatures from hearing this kind of thing then keep them away from adult content or appeal to the purveyors of the filth you disapprove of, not someone anonymously cited by an unnamed source.
No one seems willing to come forth and confirm they actually heard him say that.
Only the usual anonymous “sources” that are quoted by his usual Leftist critics, no accountability that way.
But I think this time it has backfired on them, I see far more support for Trump from the average guy being expressed than criticism of it
I hope my children are smart enough to know that we shouldn’t be bringing in savages from shithole countries.
I know, right?
Then, there is a Chain immigration problem as well.
Spanky’s Uncle George. Only, it wasn’t his uncle.
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yum yum, eat ’em up.
you have to teach them…otherwise their teachers and peers will mold their worldview.
I’m dismayed that its come to that, but it has. Trump is the ONLY person eligible to be POTUS with the combination of finances, courage, intelligence and charisma to get the job done.
If I have to put up with the leader of a neighbouring country normalizing gutter talk to save the West, that’s a trade I’ll make all day.
HF,
If you had any sense at all, you wouldn’t let those young daughters and sons watch any mainstream television show at all, news, series, soaps, or specials.
Thanks for your parenting tips, I’ll take them under advisement.
Trump is not the one that leaked it to the media. If you are worried about your children being sullied by hearing salty language on TV, then blame whomever leaked it to the press. The President certainly did not use any foul or offensive language during the televised portion of the meeting.
Besides, to think that your children have not heard worse, is more than likely a bit naive, although I understand what you are saying about who they hear it from matters in how it affects them.
I hope he did say it. What about the comment is not factual? Every country he allegedly commented on has extended their corrupt, welfare state bullshit to the US via immigration… legal or otherwise.
It’s what almost everyone thinks of those countries as a first thought anyway.
El Salvador:
El Salvador Violence Rising Despite ‘Extraordinary’ Anti-Gang Measures
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/violence-el-salvador-rise-despite-extraordinary-anti-gang-measures/
Guatemala:
Averages 101 murders a week (2016 statistic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Guatemala
Haiti:
Haiti is unique in the Caribbean for its relative lack of tourism, scarcity of foreign investment, and inferior infrastructure. Homicides continue to be a major concern in Haiti. In 2016, there were 1,029 reported homicides, with 70% occurring in Port-au-Prince.
https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=21726
So these people want to come here to escape paradise? I think not.
I have ZERO problem with people coming here who want to work, can speak English (or learn it in a reasonable time), can assimilate into our culture or at the very least not hate it and want to kill us/threaten us. I do have a problem with an unfettered flow of undocumented, unvetted, unskilled, unknown people streaming in who add nothing at all but are a burden to state and federal coffers, rape, steal, take welfare, free housing, SNAP, free phones, free medical, free schooling.
We are becoming the Motel 6 for the world.
And yes, I have heard all the arguments about migrant workers, and their working conditions are deplorable. Easy fix: Give them migrant worker visas, vet them, pay them on the payroll minus SS tax/FICA, and when the working season is over, they go home. Next season, they come back. Then there can be oversight of their working conditions and people will actually give a shit.
Stop making anchor babies the way in.
Stop giving free housing and SNAP and heat and medical to everyone and anyone who shows up.
When the gravy train dries up, the passengers look for another train.
Exceedingly well stated.
Can fault the guy! He calls a “shithole” a “shithole” and a “spade” a “spade”! Voted for him in 2016 and will again in 2020, that’s if he hasn’t gotten fed up with the RINO’s in Congress. Let the country start a new party; Progressive, then sweep all so called Democrats and Republicans into that new party who belong there. Let that new party wander around in the wilderness for years while the “real” two parties set about getting the job done. Term Limits Now!
I have sat in many board meetings. The language in there often resembles a TBP shitstorm. If you said “shithole” nary an eyebrow would be raised. Except maybe they would think you some kind of pussy faggot (not that there is anything wrong with that) for not saying “motherfucking shithole” instead.
I keep my language clean around women and kids. But do you really think there are womenz and kidz that have not heard worse than “shithole”? You think the liberal asswipes would move to one of these shitholes that they (claim to) think is not a shithole?
Dems know shitholes – hell, a lot of the major dem run cities are shitholes: Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Chicago, LA, etc etc etc. They can take their faux outrage and jam it up their shitholes.
So far, EVERYONE here has missed the main point regarding Trump’s strategy.
He just solidified the Norwegian-American vote for 2020.
And possibly most of the Odin worshippers as well.
Stuck – I am kicking karalan’s ass on your other post. You might want to pitch in there. He has an asswhupping coming to him.
I have seen your comments (and his) in the dashboard comments section.
I’m done commenting in that thread.
I’ve been here ten years, and only as of yesterday did I reveal Ms Freud is a breast cancer survivor, and her subsequent surgery. As you have rightfully noted, revealing personal info here can come at a price. There’s always one or two assholes who have no limits to their asshole-ishness. I should have kept my mouth shut.
The thing about Ms Freud is that she has a heart of solid gold. That’s not just me talking, but everyone who comes in contact with her. I hope like hell she never sees those horrible comments. It would hurt her deeply.
I appreciate that you have stood up for Ms. Freud. Truly.
But, perhaps it’s best to just let it be. karalan is truly and honestly the most despicable scum to ever have posted here.
And a coward. Had he said those things about Ms Freud to my face … especially that heinous “dog fucker” comment, I can tell you this with reasonable certainly, that I would have smashed in his face. You know I am not kidding.
But, I’ll never get the joy of that opportunity. He’s an internet POS, nothing more. Not worth my effort anymore to interact with him on any level. He crossed the line. There will NEVER be any smoking of peace pipe, no letting things go and just laughing it off …. not today, not tomorrow, not ever. I hate him like poison.
Stuck – I believe you. I mentioned on a thread that there are serious people in the world not to be fucked with. Karalan is the type who does not know it, but is highly likely to find out. We can only hope. His comments were despicable. Especially as they were out of the blue.
I have made some comments here I truly regret. But it was always heat ofthe moment stuff, and when pissed off I fight dirty. But I think I apologize every time.
I did not say it, but I hope it goes without saying – I hope Mrs Freud does fine. Youhave nothing to blame yourself over. You made the best of a potentially very bad situation, and took care of her. Well done.
Best be gettin’ ma Green Card..
THAT TOO.
“The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made – a big setback for DACA!”
ATTENTION ANN COULTER!!!
WHOOMP, THERE IT IS!!!
Haiti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJLh3QCNgM
It is OK to violate the Constitution you have sworn to uphold and work behind the scenes to undermine a duly elected President like Obama. It is OK for the Secretary of State to run a massive shakedown racket to fund the crooked Clinton Foundation like Hillary. It is OK for most of Congress to sellout the American people and their nation for personal benefit. It is OK for Bush, Clinton and Obama to wage undeclared wars around the planet in violation of the US Consititution and the Geneva Convention on War. It is OK for the Fake News media to undemine democracy by spouting propaganda and lies 24/7. It is OK for the Fed and fractional-reseve banks to operate a monetary, fianancial and banking system of plunder and theft. But for Trump to speak the truth on the wisedom of importing low-IQ parasites from the shit-holes of the world -people unable to build a modern civilization in their homelands – he is a horrible person. All I can say to the traitors, thieves, criminals and liars in the highest offices in the land….Go To Hell. If speaking the TRUTH is now a crime, then we are in big trouble. What Trump needs to do is speak truth to endemic lies more often and never, never try to appease traitors. I recommend a full frontal attack, take no prisoners and do not retreat one fraction of an inch.
My family has been here over 8 generations on my father’s side my great, great, great grandparents migrated here from Bruxelles, Brabant, Belgium, on my mother’s mother’s side of the family Surname Laviolette or LaViolette they were primarily citizens of Canada until just before the United States Civil War and started migrating to the United States in 1840, my great, great, great or possibly my great, great, great, great, grandfather since Seraphim was born on the 22nd of May 1795 and guess what no 1 within my family and that includes 5th cousins are billionaires.
It is a fact that the trash of the world are of the impression that they have the privilege of quick success after arriving in the United States.