Originally Posted at Free Market Shooter
The “March for our Lives” took over Washington DC last weekend to campaign for more stringent gun control in the US. After spending $5 million in DNC, Bloomberg, and wealthy donor funds, former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens followed up on the march’s demands with an Op-Ed for The New York Times demanding repeal of the 2nd amendment:
Rarely in my lifetime have I seen the type of civic engagement schoolchildren and their supporters demonstrated in Washington and other major cities throughout the country this past Saturday. These demonstrations demand our respect. They reveal the broad public support for legislation to minimize the risk of mass killings of schoolchildren and others in our society.
That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.
Gun control quickly tried to distance itself from Stevens’ demand. CNN‘s Chris Cuomo replied stating that calls for 2A repeal were a “lot of bunk”…
…and David Hogg, the Parkland “survivor” and figurehead of the march, claimed that he was also not proposing 2A repeal:
“What a lot of the media, and especially Fox News, has messed up with me is they’ve made it seem like I’m trying to take away people’s guns — that I’m against the Second Amendment,” Hogg said during a broadcast at the March for Our Lives rally Saturday in Washington, D.C. “My father is a retired FBI agent. I have guns in my house. I’m not against the Second Amendment.”
In fact, a large portion of the crowd was in agreement with Justice Stevens, and violently so…
…and even government-funded NPR has turned its attention to “what it would take” to repeal the 2nd amendment:
And this time, we may get stronger background checks, or a higher purchase age or some of the other things that you were talking about a moment ago. But all those things could be done without repealing the Second Amendment, and then it would be up to the courts to decide if the stricter limits violated the Second Amendment. And if the courts did decide that, perhaps that then would put more pressure on the amendment itself.
This position advocated by NPR isn’t new – it has been peddled by gun control groups in the media for years. In early 2013, “journalist” Kurt Eichenwald pushed that position in Vanity Fair:
As written, though, the amendment has nothing—nothing—to do with modern America. Worse, it is the biggest mess of verbiage in the whole Constitution, making its actual meaning almost impossible to discern. We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense.
No surprises here – Eichenwald thinks a tweet is a “deadly weapon” against him, so the sight of a firearm must scare him even more than they scared Gersh Kuntzman and Gary Tuchman. But Eichenwald is not alone – in 2014, The Week proposed “banning” the 2nd amendment:
Gun rights don’t rise to that status. The basic principle of a liberal democracy is that, for laws to be legitimate, majorities must enact them. Setting aside the basic rights protections necessary for majority rule to function fairly, any other determinations about the scope of lesser rights should be set by Congress and state legislatures. Gun rights, then, shouldn’t be constitutionally protected.
And in 2016, Rolling Stone stated “it’s time” to repeal the 2nd amendment, and used “constitutional scholar” David S. Cohen to promote their position:
The liberty of some to own guns cannot take precedence over the liberty of everyone to live their lives free from the risk of being easily murdered. It has for too long, and we must now say no more.
This “scholar” must have completely skipped over Ben Franklin’s role in authoring the US Constitution when he studied the document:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." – Ben Franklin https://t.co/WEdUJplwIz
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Yes, the argument gun control has put forward is that they want to enact “common-sense gun reforms” that will reduce gun violence and “mass shootings” in the US. However, they could get everything on their wish list short of repeal of the 2nd amendment, and when it isn’t enough, they’ll be looking for someone else to blame…
…and they most certainly won’t be nice about it. No matter what the “March for our Lives” organizers say, 2nd amendment repeal is the ultimate goal of their movement. And if they get what they want…
…they are coming for your guns, and if necessary, from your cold dead hands. However, one must first ask these protesters – if they plan to confiscate firearms, will they equip firearms themselves to do so?
The problem is, we have allowed the anti Second Amendment crowd to define the terms.
A firearm is a tool which possess no evil intent on its own. Assigning intent to an inanimate object is the epitome of insanity. Demonizing a weapon on “looks alone” also marks the accuser as an unstable individual who is also insane. Call them out on their illogic and insanity.
Another dirty tactic the anti-Second Amendment crowd uses exposes children to potential and actual harm by putting them in “gun-free zones”. These people care not one wit about children, but uses them for their own nefarious purposes.
We need to TAKE BACK the argument…
When the antis blame the firearm for the actions of a criminal, state that: “a firearm is an inanimate object, subject only to the intent of the user. Firearms ARE used to preserve life and make a 90 lb. woman equal to a 200 lb. criminal.
When the antis attempt to justify their “gun free zones” counter their misguided argument with “you mean, criminal safety zones” or “victim disarmament zones”. State that “we protect our money, banks, politicians and celebrities, buildings and facilities with PEOPLE WITH GUNS, but protect our children with “gun-free zone” signs”.
When the antis criticize AR-15s in general, counter with: “you mean the most popular rifle of the day, useable by even the smallest, weakest person as a means of self-defense. Besides, AR-15s are FUN to shoot”. Offer to take them to the range and supply them with an AR-15, ammunition and range time. I have made many converts this way.
When the antis state that: “You don’t need an AR-15 to hunt with”, counter with “AR-15s ARE used for hunting, but in many states, are prohibited from being used to take large game because they are underpowered”.
When the antis state that: “AR-15s are high powered rifles”, correct them by stating that “AR-15s with the .223 or 5.56mm cartridge are considered medium-powered weapons–NOT “high-powered” by any means”.
When the antis state that: “you don’e need and AR-15”, counter with, “Who are YOU to considere what I need?”
When the antis state that: “the Constitution was written during the ime of muskets, and that the Second Amendment should only apply to “weapons of that time period”, state that: “by your logic, the First Amendment should not apply to modern-day telecommunications, internet, television, radio, public-address systems, books and newspapers produced on high-speed offset printing presses. Only “town-criers” and Benjamin Franklin type printing presses would be covered under the First Amendment”.
When the antis state that “only law enforcement and government should possess firearms”, remind them of the latest school shooting, as well as Columbine, where “law enforcement” SAT ON THEIR HANDS while children were being murdered, afraid to challenge the shooter, despite being armed to the hilt. The government-run murderous sieges at Ruby Ridge and Waco are also good examples of government (mis)use of firearms.
This tome can be used to counter any argument against any infringement of our Second Amendment.
I wish reasoning with them was working , but it’s not.
Maybe that’s what the run on powder, primers & projectiles is all about…
I did my share, did you?
Sometimes I think the Useful Idiots…including the cannon fodder assholes holding up confiscation signs need to understand their dream – will start a Civil War that will cost more lives in a river of blood then the last one.
Getting that point across (without making specific threats and or getting arrested – we are all already on the “NSA lists”) may be one counter tactic to give “some” pause.
However, it would probably encourage the more radical element in spite of its horrific reality.
Does any of this really matter? They can repeal the second A (which I have strongly supported) but nothing changes. We still hold the ‘natural right’ to self-defense. These clowns think that by fiat they can take our right to life, presumably enforced by men with guns. Don’t these twinks realize that they would be declaring war on half the population? The armed and trained half.
Repeal? What are you smoking? Nothing changes, not necessarily, it all changes, you have to choose sides. I know what side your on. Molon Labe! The progressive left is not reasonable!
Yep, I agree with every post above and up-voted every one except mine…but the fact remains a Civil War (no matter the trigger – every pun intended) takes the lone Superpower out of the international game while we are busy killing one another.
A Civil War over the 2nd Amendment is a Cloward & Piven wet dream…it may not be the exact path they devised but it will have the same results.
Chaos in the U.S. is just as good as a nod and a wink to a blind Commie Globalist with a seeing eye Bankster pit bull.
So many tangents, so little time! Something is going to happen! History has a way of repeating itself!
They can all go piss up a rope.
They love their BS argument of “if it saves just one life.” Unfortunately, they refuse to use the same logic regarding illegal immigration and a border wall or extreme vetting of people from Jihad Central.
“Gun rights don’t rise to that status. The basic principle of a liberal democracy is that, for laws to be legitimate, majorities must enact them. Setting aside the basic rights protections necessary for majority rule to function fairly, any other determinations about the scope of lesser rights should be set by Congress and state legislatures. Gun rights, then, shouldn’t be constitutionally protected.”
These $*$%^#^&#*$ don’t even understand that they don’t live in a “liberal democracy”, yet…
It seems they want majority rule. I guess that is fine if you think you are part of the majority. Wait until you are the minority…
Their signs should just cut to the point and say “We hate you average Americans and wish you were dead.” Any average American with an ounce of sense should realize that war has been declared on them.
Those commie lib shit protesters can all eat shit and die. Fuck them and the fucking bus they rode in on.
If they were serious about gun control they would be supporting police efforts to disarm interCity Blacks.Gun violence in America is mostly black violence but no they want white Americans to disarm.Sooner or later we are going to have to make these useless eaters bleed.
Fuck this shit, It’s Friday
I think this is a fantastic turn of events. Since the common method of amending the Constitution requires 2/3 majorities in both houses of Congress, in light of the push to repeal the Second Amendment, every candidate should be cajoled into declaring whether they would vote for repeal.
Yea, I think many on the left in leadership are in a panic over so many declaring the truth of their hearts about confiscation and people control. They want process not shark jumping…they need more time and more False Flags.
Remember, the only reason Al Gore lost in 2000 wasn’t because of Florida…it was because he lost his home state Tennessee (3 electoral votes) and he lost it over GUNS and the 2nd Amendment.
Somebody is spending an unimaginable amount of money on this Astroturf campaign. Any guesses as to who it might be? These people don’t spend money for no reason – what the fuck is their payoff going to be?
Bloomberg’s ‘everytown’ operation, is funding this theatrical presentation, for one.
https://freedomoutpost.com/soros-bloomberg-planned-parenthood-funding-david-hoggs-anti-gun-student-protests/
Astroturf is as far from ‘civic engagement’ as you can get. The shittiest comunist subversives in the country want the American people disarmed. You better be asking yourself why, and just what the fuck these assholes have planned for us.
(((Who))) could it possibly be?
http://www.guns.com/2018/03/30/public-comment-period-opens-on-atfs-bump-stock-ban/
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Yeah, I don’t care. This will blow over when the next superhero movie comes out. Or when spring break is over. Or whatever.
I’m not wasting my breath arguing about firearms anymore. They know what they think they know (nothing) and I know what I know (facts, truth, personal experience) and truth doesn’t reach them. The alternative is fighting about it, so I’ll just wait for that to happen.
In the mean time, at least I save that otherwise wasted time I to blow on cell phone games, yelling at my kid, and watching downloads.
BRING IT BITCHES IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS ! ! !
I just find it amusing that they have, for the moment, stopped calling trump a nazi and are instead begging him to disarm them. Developing an ironic disposition is essential in maintaining ones sanity while seeing this shit every day. Trump is a Nazi. All cops are racist. Only the military and police should have guns. All from the same people. Amazing.
I will kill anyone who attempts to deny my inalienable rights. They may be strong enough to kill me back, but like Solzhenitsyn said if we do not do this now, are we willing to accept the consequences. Lead the charge David Hogg, I want you to take my gun away, in person you little spaghetti-armed POS . Just the two of us, I joined the NRA yesterday, its only$40 a year
Glad to see your commitment to standing up, come and take it is the only alternative. As old as I am and you are, it’s a win win situation, personally, I don’t want to die from nothing. I actually want something to kill me, disease not being preferable. Good Friday is for reflection!
In a door to door confiscation scenario, old guys will be the most dangerous, IMO. Theres probably 10’s of thousands like you, too. Lived a long life, tired of seeing whats happening, and just decide ‘fuck it, I’ve got nothing else to do anyways’. I don’t see it coming to that, not any time soon, anyways. The logistics of it would be an absolute nightmare. As would keeping these raid teams stocked with experienced personnel. Hard to imagine the life span for anyone doing that would be very long. They’d lose more people to walkouts than attrition after a while. I think the smarter ones on the left know this. But, people like you are also dying off. Thats why its so important to brainwash this younger generation, to make sure they grow up to be like this kid. People like Hogg won’t be going door to door. But they would have no problem putting a bullet behind your ear as you kneel in front of a ditch. Funny thing about those of us on the right, though: we are our own worst enemies sometimes. There is no group or force in this country large or strong enough to put us in that situation unless we allow it to happen. Unfortunately, we’ve allowed ourselves to be walked all over and stomped on for so long, its hard to picture a line that actually causes enough people to put an end to it.
If you rid the world of guns, the killers will use bombs, swords, knives, spears, bows, cars, etc. If you rid the world of killers, the murder rate will drop like a rock. Are the Christians, the Republicans, the Concealed Carry People, the NRA Members really the killers? No, it’s the crazy liberals, stupid. Get you ignorant head out of your ass and go after the real problem instead of chasing some shadow of the problem. The 2nd Amend does not protect crazy liberals!
Lets explore that line of thought a little further. AR’s and similar guns are used very rarely in crimes. Its a proverbial drop in the bucket. White conservatives are a demographic that commits violent crimes at one of the lowest rates in the country. The overwhelming majority of AR’s et al are owned by white conservatives. And yet, the central purpose of this astroturf movement is taking these guns that are hardly every used in crimes from people that almost never commit them. If you want to save lives, you should start with black people, who commit 50% of murders, then work your way down to hispanics (many of which are illegals) that commit another 25% or so. Then you can start talking about the 25% or so of murders that are committed by the 63% of the US population thats white. So, in light of all of this, this movement obviously has nothing to do with ‘saving lives’. Sure, some of the useful idiots might believe that, but the ones pulling their strings obviously know better. Which leaves the big question – what, exactly, do they have in mind for us that requires us to be disarmed first? I sure as shit don’t want to find out, and really hope it never comes to that.
Umm, if the white people with legal firearms and low murder rates are disarmed, and the non-whites with illegal firerms and high murder rates directed by (((fellow white people))) are let loose, what do you think happens?
On the other hand, if I have 5 weapons that are suddenly made illegal overnight, how many weapons will I have?
5.
And they won’t be buried.
I hope I don’t ruin the accuracy by having to fire until the barrel is glowing and stripping the rifling, but that’s why one is not enough.
I love how folks make note of the “old guys”,they to a large part have a nothing to lose and everything to gain attitude,along with some “old women”!I just hit the double nickel,not sure if old or not but have the old person attitude.
We know the drill,keep practicing/keep up on supplies/perhaps a spare rifle for a friend in tough economic times,and most of all,happy shooting!
Well young fella I can tell you I would settle for being 55 again. LOL! As well as or instead of a spare rifle, just buy a case or two of 12 gauge 00 Buck. Everybody has a shotgun somewhere. 00 Buck turns any shotgun into a militarily useful weapon. In a SHTF situation 500 buckshot rounds turns a neighborhood into an armed camp. If the 25 neighbors without a rifle suddenly join the line throwing round after round of 00 Buck into the interlopers at the same time as the available riflemen, you will definitely cause them to look for a different neighborhood to mess with.
Places like Midway, SGA and JG regularly have 12 gauge 00 Buck for $69-$100 per 250 round case. A very reasonable price to be able to mobilize an entire neighborhood in a dire emergency.
Jake,good advice and decent 2 3/4 buck is reasonably priced.I live in a state with constitutional carry and ability to have ammo shipped,friends in next state over,not so much and many at moment trapped there due to job/family ect.I and many others are visited by these folks and help these poor bastards out to beat these shipping restrictions and get them best price possible.Of course,with no sales tax either they tend to do a lot of other shopping while visiting,a win for them and me state.