This is a smart move by Tehran. There is nothing Iran needs that it can’t get from the other JCPOA signatories. They will get the business contracts the US forfeits. US sanctions will fall flat as China, Russia, France and Germany compete for Iran’s favors. What is Trump going to do, bomb them?
So much for MAGA, thank a neocon. But Q was right on top of it, right? Pray.
Iran will remain in nuclear deal, US withdrawal illegal – Rouhani
Earlier on Tuesday, Trump announced that Washington will “withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal” and that sanctions will be imposed against Tehran. The US President argued that the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) didn’t prevent Iran from enriching uranium and would’ve caused a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
“Today’s action sends a critical message: the US no longer makes empty threats. When I make promises, I keep them,”Trump said.
The JCPOA deal, signed by Iran and P5+1 powers (China, France, Russia, UK, US, plus Germany) and the EU in 2015, saw international sanctions on Tehran lifted in exchange for Iran curbing its controversial nuclear program. Trump pulled the US from the accord despite the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirming Tehran’s compliance with the deal on numerous occasions and attempts by France, Germany and other EU nations to talk him out of the decision.
“What is Trump going to do, bomb them?”
Yes, that is the typical US cry-baby response.
Ridicule works.
I would guess that the Trumpeteers have gone silent in the face of undeniable evidence that Trump is just one more lying NeoCon scumbag owned lock, stock and barrel by the treasonous Jewish Lobby. My sense is that both Israel and the US Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG), driven by hubris and a messianic insanity, are about to meet their Waterloo. Our greatest concern is that they may take down the entire western world with them. And to think I believed this lying rat. Supporting the lesser of two evils is not a great strategy because in the final analysis you still end up with evil.
Trumpeteers likely think this is his next brilliant 4-D chess move to bring peace to the Middle-east, just like he supposedly did with Korea. All of us TBP readers are just too dull to think several steps ahead. If, against all odds, this somehow works out for the best, Trump really is the luckiest SOB on the planet.
Very well said!
The Iran nuclear deal was the ONLY thing Obama did that I saw as a good thing. His reaction to Trump’s withdrawal from the agreement as “misguided” is the only thing I ever heard Obama say that I agree with.
Ho Lee Fuk. We’re praising Onegro now on TBP?
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Huck, considering the Iran deal was classified so secret that Congress was not even allowed to see it means that you are an insider with insider knowledge or all you know about the deal is the propaganda put out by the usual suspects. I’ll trust that you are an insider so…..dish!
IS,
I get my “insider knowledge” the same way most everyone else does. I read a lot. I read news and opinion. I read pundits that conform to my bias like Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Justin Raimondo, Philip Geraldi, and “negroes” (whom I have the utmost respect for) like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell. I also read pundits who do not conform to my bias just to challenge my thinking. I’m not going to go back and try to uncover the articles I read three years ago to try to figure what information I gleaned to shape my opinion on the Iran Nuclear deal, but I can say without any ambiguity that there was plenty of it out there.
Nearly all policy and legislation created in Washington is done without disclosing any of the details. That doesn’t seem to deter you, and just about everyone else from forming an opinion on what they are doing. Following your logic only those privy to the intimate hidden details of a particular issue are qualified to hold an opinion on it. That counts out something like 100% of us proles and 99.9% of the press.
I hold no opinion whatsoever on wether you or anyone is qualified to hold an opinion on the subject. I just asked a question. I just wasn’t sure how you could agree with a secret deal especially when it was l made by someone who ruined everything he touched.
My memory isn’t what it used to be and three years have gone by, so the details have become somewhat foggy. I honestly don’t have any recollection of the Iran nuclear deal having been done in secret. I can recall quite a lot of other policy and legislation that was kept secret even from representatives who were expected to vote on it, but not the Iran nuclear deal. I did a google search to try to see if there is something I missed. Quite an exhaustive one actually. Well, as exhaustive as I can squeeze into my busy life. I read dozens of news articles from now and three years ago as well as several opinion pieces and I cannot find one single reference to the secrecy of which you speak. On the contrary the framework was well disseminated when it was negotiated as well as in it’s implementation.
The only source I can find regarding the secrecy of the deal is your claim here, which leads me to believe that it is not in fact a fact, but a misconstruction. Could you please share a link to verify your claims to the secrecy of the deal?
Crickets.
the national interest,”don’t let bibi sell us another war”
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/iran-dont-let-bibi-sell-us-another-war-25729
gatestone institute,”iran in america’s backyard”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12268/iran-latin-america
Poor doom porn aficionados fear the end of muh doom porn.
If you like your doom porn, you can keep your doom porn.
Trumplestiltskin just saved the tax payers $500 billion per year in a deal that was so secret Congress was not allowed to see it. You can still mail your share ($1552.80) directly to Iran if you like. Payments are due in January and June of each year.
AND……….we bombed the shit out of Irans secret nuclear weapons facility in northern Syria. What? MSM didn’t tell you about that? Does that make it untrue if the lyin’ fake news that nobody trusts (especially TBP readers) doesn’t tell you about it or do you TBP’ers only trust the MSM when it fits YOUR bias?
Enjoy the show.
links please to the bombing of iran’s facilities in n syria?
I see 8chan in your future! I tried posting these kinds of links in the Notables posts I was doing but no one wanted to see them. No need to bring them up now. Who do you think Israel is fighting in Syria of late? It’s not Syria, I can tell you that.
There was no Iranian nuclear base in Syria . I don’t believe there will be a full on war but US troops in Syria and Iraq are now target practice for Iranian militias. The Iranians must be chomping at the bit, this is what they’ve being waiting for. Best get ready for them body bags.
Thank you IS.
If I were the Little Rocket Man I would cancel the meeting with that promise breaker Trump. I would do it in no uncertain terms, like … “Hey Trump, go fuck yourself.” A promise made by the United States, and this POTUS as much as any other is nothing more than a worthless piece of paper. I would also remind Kim about that dude in Libya. I would stronly urge Rocket Man to KEEP YOUR ROCKETS. In fact, you might want to build moar, lots moar. What are we gonna do? Bomb da Norks? hahaha
We simply can’t be trusted to keep ANY agreement. How is this no longer obvious?
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or just some really bad drugs speaking.
“Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or just some really bad drugs speaking.”
——– Francis Marion
Neither. It is reality speaking.
I’m not sure in which reality you exist. You reply with a “ding ding ding” to Tampa’s comment; –“i believe that we do have the contractual right to do so”.
What contractual right? Some fucken “technicality” about U.S. political maneuverings? Like, … “well it wasn’t actually ratified by Congress with at least 100 Dems holding their dicks and another 100 Repubs with their thumbs up their ass”?
We signed a deal. Along with 7 other nations. It was ratified in the UN Security council. Everyone understood it to be binding. Now, a few years later another POTUS comes along and basically says “it’s a bad deal for the USA, so fuck it, I ain’t keeping it.”
And you, and very many others in the press and internet, think this is all fine and dandy. You, because of some imagined “contractual right”. I hope you explain your line of thinking.
Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. That Iran decided it wasn’t a good deal so, fuck it. Can you imagine the consequences??? Holy shit, we’d probably bomb Tehran before noon next day. You know this is true. But, when America says fuckit to deals we don’t like, well, that’s just fine. I guess because we are the indispensable nation??
I believe foreign diplomacy runs much like banking. Meaning, in order for banking to really work the most important ingredient is Trust. To oversimplify, the lender trusts the borrower will repay, the depositor trust the bank will honor his demand for withdrawal, and so on. Don’t most bank/financial failures have as their root cause this lack of trust/belief?
Foreign policy must also rely on trust. If Germany says fuckit to every agreement it suddenly doesn’t like. And then France follows suit. Then Russia, China, etc etc. what you will have is total worldwide chaos. Or, in your reality, does it work differently?
You know what’s hilarious? The USA!USA!USA! and their official mouthpiece, the MSM, have now demonized Russia basically as Enemy #1 (as I posted recently in a statement by General Matthis, Russia is even worse than mooslimfuk terrorism). And, what’s the reason most often given as to why we can’t at least get along with Russia? Because …. because …. wait for it ….. they can’t be trusted!! hahaha Holy shit, eh?
I repeat my last closing remark — We simply can’t be trusted to keep ANY agreement. No nation that I am aware of is as hypocritical as we are — rules for us, rules for you, and never the twain shall meet — the very essence of hypocrisy. I’m neither on drugs nor being sarcastic.
stucky,if i were rocketman i would not trust us either after saddam & gadhafi were put down–
however,though many of us disagree w/trump withdrawing us from the agreement,i believe that we do have the contractual right to do so–
Ding ding ding!
Give the man a cigar.
Ya trumpster, you always keep your promices. Like, is the hildabeast in jail? Candidate trump and el presidente trump.
Ask yourself. What countries have been waging wars around the planet? Iran, Russia, China, Syria…or the US, Israel and NATO puppets? Israel and the US ZOG are the greatest threat to world peace.
They certainly have been.
I wonder if that is changing though?
If we see American bombs or boots on the ground in Iran then we will know the talk of cleaning up the global swamp is mostly just that – talk. If, however, the Iranians institute change on their own and the only thing we do is create an environment for them to accomplish it by cutting off the cash flow to their government then I think we’ll have to admit that Trump and his team are doing what they promised to do.
It will take time to know for sure.
Francis, I don’t think the majority of TBP regulars WANT Trump to drain the swamp. They’re too heavily invested in doom. They were promised doom and by God they’re going to have their doom no matter what. I mean we all bitched incessantly for 12+ years about all of this evil shit and the deep state noose tightening around our necks like we were really opposed to it or wanted something different to happen. However, despite numerous signs that the deep state is on the run, TBP’ers are now beginning to march in lockstep with the MSM. Only a few of us dared to harbor a desire for something other than doom and WE’RE the delusional ones. Fine, I equate it to Felonia calling me a Deploreable.
To watch the news or read comments here the denuclearization of NK seems more like a sad funeral. The turn around in SA is nothing short or miraculous but all you get here is crickets. The FBI is on the fucking ropes but nobody wants to hear it. Taxes cut…meh. Regulations across govt slashed…..meh. There’s probably been more than 20,000 pedos arrested since Trump got elected…..meh. Horrowood scum being exposed….meh. Massive numbers of resignations in horrorwood, Wall St., Capitol Hill, DC……..meh. But muh Iran deal gets dropped like the steamimg pile of shit it probably is (especially considering who negotiated it) and Er Muh Gerd……..it’s the end of the fucking world! Lesser of two evils? Fucking people should have voted for Felonia if their doom investment was so damned precious to them.
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Another fuck up by Trump:
http://thehill.com/policy/international/386841-pompeo-to-return-from-north-korea-with-3-us-captives-south-korean
They’re just Chinks anyway……meh.
Well – I’m not 100% sure what the fuck is going on globally these days. But things are changing, quickly, and some of it appears to be for the better. Some of it remains to be seen.
I’m cautiously optimistic and more interested in trying to understand the truth than I am in being married to a particular viewpoint.
We’re not out of the woods by a long shot but I will admit I see improvements – some that have come faster than I would have expected a year ago, especially given the depths to which previous leadership over past decades has sunk.
Too many regulars here sound like this guy:
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Ouch. That hurt.
I could be off on this but any and all contractual agreements that the USA enters into must be ratified by congress (hence the representation of the people in a Federal Republic) and can not be unilaterally entered into by the executive branch. Again, as I said , perhaps I am wrong on this but I couldve sworn this was the same argument to void the illegally signed small arms treaty with the UN that John Kerry entered into back in O’shits term… besides the fact that it violated national sovereignty and Constitutional law. … Did congress ratify this nuclear deal? I dont recall.
didn’t they run it thru as something other than a treaty because it would not have gotten the 2/3 majority needed in the senate?
seems like they tied it to something else but i can’t remember it well–
I think you’re both kinda right but THEY didn’t think Felonia was going to lose so there was no need to follow protocol or the law. Besides, there were plenty of corrupt D’s & R’s plus the complicit MSM to cover it up until Felonia was crowned emperor…..I mean (s)elected as the last President of this nearly failed republic.
I remember a Peace Movement to get us out of Vietnam that worked. We need one to get us out of the Middle East in less that two years not fifteen more. The Movement might show the NeoCon Warmongers have less support than Antifa and Nambia.
Alright, alright. Now I KNOW we fucked up by pulling out of the Iran deal. Evidence below:
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Hillary Clinton
Verified account @HillaryClinton
Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal is a big mistake. It makes America less safe and less trusted. Iran is now more dangerous. What’s plan B? Anyone who thinks bombing is the answer is woefully misinformed.
7:02 PM – 8 May 2018
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Let’s impeach Trump NOW! WTF was he thinking? WTF was *I* thinking? Felonia has what……40+ years in politics? I’m sure she has this one right! John Kerry is for he IRAN deal. Marcon is for the IRAN deal. Merkel is for the IRAN deal. Obama is for the IRAN deal. Brennan is for the IRAN deal. The fucking UN is for the IRAN deal. Trump and I are the only ones against the IRAN deal! Fuckity fuck fuck!
How could I be so fucking stupid and side with Trump on this one? I hang my head in shame TBP. Can you ever forgive me?
Nevermind. I don’t deserve forgiveness. It was wrong of me to ask.
If I could remember my WP UN & PW I’d change my handle the The Greatest Village Idiot. Memory is the first thing to go when you ride the Trump train. Must be the Dragon’s Blood thingy that made me think I was winning.
You are winning…
WTF were you thinking, anyway? 🙂
I can feel the cognitive dissonance oozing from the monitor as many lurkers and regulars read your post. They are unsure how to respond.
If they call you a douche bag then they are siding with Felonia. Tough pill to swallow. On the other hand if they claim Clinton is full of shit then they are admitting you might be right.
It’s a rock and a hard place. Shall I defend Felonia or risk letting IS know he has a point?
Tough call……….
It’s a no brainer. Felonia and Onegro have our backs. They’re going to unseat Trump any day now and we can get back to the DOOM like we wuz promised!
I think most of the regulars that loved Trump before they hated him secretly wish Felonia had won now. She wouldn’t be reneging on the Iran deal or getting us into scary nuclear situations or crashing the stock market by 666 points. We’d all be calm, relaxed and grooving to the stories of doom that only happen in the future….never now.
Zarathustra said:
“This is a smart move by Tehran. There is nothing Iran needs that it can’t get from the other JCPOA signatories. They will get the business contracts the US forfeits. US sanctions will fall flat as China, Russia, France and Germany compete for Iran’s favors.”
I know I’m just addled in the head but if this is a smart move by Iran now, why wasn’t it a smart move when Onegro and Pals came calling for Iran to just tell us to get fucked because they can get everything then need from other JCPOS signatories and business contracts we would forfeit?
For another perspective….
Will Trump Pay the Price for What He Wants from Iran?
May 8, 2018 / Tom Luongo
The U.S. has to swear off regime change by removing its troops from both Syria and Afghanistan as a starting point and guaranteeing that the Saudis never get nuclear weapons. Iran may also demand Israel finally sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty. I’m sure that deal is a non-starter as well.
But, our military commitments in these places is gutting the U.S. budget. Trump thinks that he can pull a Reagan and grow his way out of the deficits he’s encumbering us with. But, he can’t. The situation is too dire. We’re not at the beginning of the dollar reserve standard, we’re at the end of it.
So, Russia, China and Iran will all hold their water and negotiate knowing that the war of financial attrition is theirs to win.
Just like it was in 2012. And, deal or no deal, the bigger threat to the U.S. is the further deterioration of diplomatic respect we have with the rest of the world.
Since taking office all Trump’s done is betray his base by doubling down in Afghanistan, striking Syria over false flags, selling weapons to Ukraine and further entrenching us in a nightmarish war in Yemen.
None of these things screams ‘no regime change.’
They all scream war with Iran which has been his position since day one. The Koreas are forcing his hand on peace there over the objections of his foreign policy team.
So, if this is his way of keeping a foreign policy promise to his base, to satisfy them politically before the mid-terms, he has only himself to blame. No matter how much he tries to blame Obama.
Tom Luongo is a voice of reason amid the shrieking din of the warmongers. The spending is going up, thank you Mr. Trump. The debt is going up, thank you Mr. Trump. The doom is still there. More war will not fix our problems.
America’s Word Is Worthless
May 8, 2018
Paul Craig Roberts
We can now dismiss all hope that Trump’s campaign promises to pull out of Syria, normalize relations with Russia and stop the offshoring of American jobs will ever become US policies. By dishonoring the US government’s word and pulling out of the Iran nuclear non-proliferation agreement, an agreement signed by the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, and Iran, President Trump has revealed that his regime is totally in the hands of the Zionist warmongers.
It was already evident, but America’s renewal alone in the world of the fabricated conflict with Iran is proof that US foreign policy is in the hands of Israel. All you have to do is to watch Nikki Haley, US Ambassador to the UN, groveling at the feet of AIPEC, to watch US Secretary of State Pompeo groveling at the feet of Netanyahu, to see the glee all over the face of neoconservative Israeli agent John Bolton, the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States, from his realization that his conflict agenda with Iran has prevailed. Indeed the entire Trump regime are such dedicated grovelers at Israel’s feet that the Trump regime comes across as a barbaric tribe groveling before the King of Kings.
I don’t understand all the Israel bashing here. Israel is a tiny sliver of a nation surrounded on all sides (except the ocean) by enemies.
The idea that Israel controls our foreign policy seems inane. Don’t we give them billions of dollars every year? When someone depends on you for their daily bread do they control you or do you control them?
This is just the first step in starting another war on false pretense. Your tax dollars and the lives of young Americans will soon be lost to support Israels ever expanding empire and control of US policy in the Middle East. Never forget the USS Liberty…. that is the real Israel…