Musk Admits Tesla Was “Bleeding Money Like Crazy” And “Faced Severe Threat Of Death”

Via ZeroHedge

While Tesla CEO Elon Musk and the rest of the company’s board of directors were posturing as though everything was fine earlier this year – even as the company struggled with ramping its Model 3 production and its CEO became the target of both the SEC and the Department of Justice – the reality of the situation below the surface was far closer to what most skeptics had suggested, according to a bizarre new Axios interview with Musk that aired on HBO Sunday night.

Speaking to Axios, Musk admitted that Tesla “faced a severe threat of death” earlier this year and that it was “bleeding money like crazy” as it worked through its crucial Model 3 production ramp. In the interview, Musk admitted that the company “came within single-digit” weeks of death before it was able to meet its production goals.

“Tesla really faced a severe threat of death due to the Model 3 production ramp. Essentially, the company was bleeding money like crazy, and if we didn’t solve these problems in a very short period of time, we would die. And it was extremely difficult to solve them.”

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Echoing sentiments he made to the New York Times earlier this year, Musk admitted that working non-stop during the production ramp also took a “very painful” toll on him personally.

“It hurts my brain and my heart. It hurts. It is not recommended for anyone. I just did it because if I didn’t do it… there was a good chance Tesla would die.”

Musk also said there was a 70% chance that he would wind up riding one of his SpaceX rockets to Mars personally.

“I know what to do. I’m talking about moving [to Mars],” he told  Axios. “There’s lots of people who climb mountains. People die on Mount Everest all the time. They like doing it for the challenge.”

He also alluded to his repeated obsession with dying on the red planet. “Your probability of dying on Mars is much higher than earth,” he continued. “There’s a good chance of death…” he later repeated.

Of course, Musk’s admissions about Mars come as little surprise. His stunning admissions about Tesla however – and the fact that it the company was in far more precarious financial condition than the company had ever let on to investors and creditors – likely come as a surprise to those who blindly believed Musk’s assurances that the company would not need a capital raise this year and that guaranteed profitability was assured in quarters three and four.

They may have also come as a surprise to those who tuned into Fox Business News recently for an interview with Elon Musk’s brother, Tesla Board member Kimbal Musk, who nervously ducked Stuart Varney’s questions about the health of Tesla only to ramble on about “plant a seed day” for five minutes.

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We have another question for Kimbal: Given the fact that Tesla’s “profitable” Q3 was determined by some analysts to be simply a result of using “every trick from every fraud”, how long will it be before Tesla finds itself in this position again…

…and even more important: when they do next time, will they disclose it to investors? And how much closer to death will they bring the company, its stockholders, customers who have made deposits and its creditors?

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Dutchman
Dutchman
November 26, 2018 9:28 am

I’d personally contribute $100 towards Musk’s mission to Mars.

RiNS
RiNS
  Dutchman
November 26, 2018 10:42 am

me too but only if he went as well. I know one thing. I ain’t going.
Too much danger trying to blast thru the firmament..

Dutchman
Dutchman
  RiNS
November 26, 2018 1:51 pm

I meant ‘His Mission’ to Mars. Musk to Mars – get his ass off this planet.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
November 26, 2018 9:31 am

And everything Musk said is still true…

starfcker
starfcker
November 26, 2018 10:22 am

“likely come as a surprise to those who blindly believed Musk’s assurances that the company would not need a capital raise this year and that guaranteed profitability was assured in quarters three and four.” Sour grapes from a guy who still is as blind as a bat. Understanding where Tesla was at in the early part of the year is quite a bit different than blindly believing anything. And no, Tesla does not need to raise money, and their fourth quarter will be stronger than their third. Nothing was assured. But Musk had a great plan, and set them up to be a monster, and was willing to do the hard work to get them there. And he did. Watch what he does next. If he can get the stock price over $360. after December 5th, he can convert almost a billion dollars in debt to equity. Only cost him 20 million to do it last quarter with one tweet. People still don’t get it. That’s one of the smartest guys operating out there right now. And one of the hardest working. Eat shit Tyler Durden. And I hope you rode the short bus with David Einhorn. Ass hurt much?

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
November 26, 2018 11:38 am

Anybody who shorted it in September is down 40% with no rescue on the horizon

RiNS
RiNS
  starfcker
November 26, 2018 10:56 am

Funny thing star is the same arguments were being made about Blackberry.. that light is just around the bend. That one just need trust the plan and the fundamentals underlying everything were good..

Now they don’t phones and the only stuff worth anything is the patents they accumulated over the years…

There is a great channel that follows the travails of being a Tesla owner…

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfV0_wbjG8KJADuZT2ct4SA/videos

The thing I don’t understand is the level of faith needed to buy one of these cars. Buying be the subjective term being used after being witness to the levels of fuckery that Musk et al will get to in order to keep everything under wing.

The question I would ask any Tesla owner is… Who really owns the car? Teslas can at any point shut the car down. And before you say don’t then you best go thru some of these videos. Crazy to spend that kinda money and still live by the whim of Elon…

Its not for me.. I’d rather own my car.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  RiNS
November 26, 2018 12:06 pm

“Who really owns the car?” I have wondered this many times over about most cars presently on the road. About 2 years ago someone on here mentioned that you do not own the software to the car (to paraphrase). What happens when say your cars manufacturer goes belly up and things are up for grabs? Why would an entity buy the rights to that old software unless they had something to gain. Maybe a monthly subscription or they flip the switch.

starfcker
starfcker
  RiNS
November 26, 2018 12:36 pm

Not nearly the same case as BlackBerry. Blackberry was on the bottom side of the technological curve. Tesla is on the top side. Tesla is something you read about on Zerohedge. I see dozens everyday. I have a couple of friends who’s wives drive them. They love them. The ability to turn nothing into something big is a neat trick. Musk knows how to do it, he’s proven it again and again. I wouldn’t bet against him.

RiNS
RiNS
  starfcker
November 26, 2018 2:47 pm

Only fools would bet against that house….. Tesla’s modus operandi is that his model is built first and foremost for control… Something the beautiful people have had wet dreams about since, well, forever.

Yeah the other car companies likely have a “kill switch” and trackers buried in vehicle software. Still nothing as in your face as Tesla. It is Elon’s stock and trade that has locked out cars for customers stranded far from home. Their only crime being, running afoul of those pesky terms and conditions… why well because reasons…The current customer experience being sold here is just a shit test. The rest of car companies are on the sidelines lining up see how much independence folks are willing to trade to drive the “it” car.

Elon has, with his models, put it all out in open for the proles to see. It is nothing moar than a big fuck you. And so far he is getting away with it…As far as his abilities, well any whore can be cleaned up and made to smell nice. Just need soap and some strong perfume.. All conveniently found in the ingredients of the Kool-Aid peddled by a guy named Musk..

But that stink only has cover for so long…

Soon Tesla will tire of the pretense.
And with whores being whores
the real screw job will begin.
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onward to the FEMA camps…

Llpoh
Llpoh
  starfcker
November 26, 2018 3:18 pm

Star – is it a car company, or a tech company? It is priced as a tech company, and gets money like a tech company.

But if it is car company, well, boy howdy, the investors are going to get right royal fucked. Patience, grasshopper. The screwing is coming.

starfcker
starfcker
  RiNS
November 26, 2018 3:43 pm

Like I said, Rob. Tesla is something you read about on Zero Hedge. Don’t be so gullible

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
November 26, 2018 6:54 pm

thanks for explaining. https://goo.gl/images/t9W9S3

starfcker
starfcker
  Llpoh
November 26, 2018 3:42 pm

I would venture it’s kind of both. Where would the screwing be coming from? Their capacity now has them stamping out cars at a profitable rate. That can only improve. Their cost controls now have them stamping out cars at a profitable rate. That can only improve. They have oodles of infrastructure and manufacturing capacity already built, and now have the company culture up to speed to utilize it. They have their debt situation under control, with the ability to fund expansion with their free cash flow. They have four new killer products already engineered and on the shelf to roll out in the next 2 or 3 years. They are light years ahead of the competition on many fronts. And they keep plugging up their deficiencies everyday. I’m telling you, that thing is a monster. What would be the most likely scenario for failure in your opinion?

Ten Year Lurker
Ten Year Lurker
  Administrator
November 26, 2018 6:10 pm

“Douchebag demand”…..best laugh I’ve had all day, thanks Admin!

starfcker
starfcker
  Ten Year Lurker
November 26, 2018 6:42 pm

that is a pretty funny line

llpoh
llpoh
  starfcker
November 26, 2018 5:12 pm

The screwing is going to come from being priced at PE multiples that relate to tech companies as opposed to manufacturing companies. Even if, and that is a huge if, Tesla can remain profitable, it is vastly overpriced with respect to being a car company. The growth for a car company is limited, and there is a lot of competition. There is no way that Tesla will generate the growth in both sales and profits to justify the current price of the shares.

Anyone holding Tesla shares are going to get screwed sooner or later. I still believe Tesla is toast. Demand for $70k cars is limited.

starfcker
starfcker
  llpoh
November 26, 2018 6:51 pm

I think we’re having two different discussions simultaneously. Share price means nothing to me. Building a profitable company producing real products is the name of the game. Speculation is yesterday’s game. Stock price will do whatever it does. Is that part of Musk’s job, Yes. but demand is not going to go away for the products they produce. Competition so far is laughable. Look at Benz. After talking a big game, they bit the bullet right away and said, hey why don’t we do something together, buddy. Porsche threw up their hands and bought into Rimac. Do the math, by the end of Q1, Tesla’s entire outstanding debt isn’t going to be much more than quarterly gross. And they’re not looking for the next big thing. They’ve got them lined up waiting to go.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  RiNS
November 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Buying a Tesla is only for virture-signaling / vanity.

starfcker
starfcker
  Dutchman
November 26, 2018 2:40 pm

So is the Benz you drive. What’s your point?

KaD
KaD
November 26, 2018 10:40 am

Tesla should have bit the dust. And my guess is they’re still nowhere near meeting their actual production goals.

starfcker
starfcker
  KaD
November 26, 2018 3:21 pm

So setting a goal, hitting 80% of it, grossing 7 billion dollars in 3 months, and paying down the debt you ran up developing that capacity, and employing 45,000 Americans with actual breadwinner jobs while you’re doing it makes you a failure? You might want to rethink that. What if he keeps getting better? That’s only 3 months

Mustang
Mustang
November 26, 2018 2:11 pm

I don’t care about pot-smoking Elon Musk or piece-of-junk Tesla cars. Give me a classic Ford pickup to drive and I will be a happy camper!!! I have never been able to understand the Alt-Media’s fascination with him or his car.

ElGoyo
ElGoyo
November 26, 2018 2:14 pm

I’m not particularly enamored with EVs, but to the extent others are (and as long as subsidies abound) Tesla will be obliterated by competition. Audi e-tron, Jaguar I-Pace, Nissan Leaf, BMW i5, Chevy Bolt, Mercedes, Porsche. Actual credible automobile manufacturers entering the EV foray over the next 12 months.

Tesla’s EV credits will be tapering to zero over the next year while the rest of the manufacturers will get their full Gubmint baksheesh.

I don’t understand the cult of Musk, the guy can barely formulate a coherent sentence. I guess that’s not a prerequisite for a ‘visionary’.

Ten Year Lurker
Ten Year Lurker
  ElGoyo
November 26, 2018 3:20 pm

“I don’t understand the cult of Musk, the guy can barely formulate a coherent sentence.” BINGO! You stole my thunder, ElGoyo!

I wanted to give Elon one more chance so I watched that Joe Rogan podcast and the guy sounds like a babbling fool pretty much through the whole thing.

I think it boils down to what some others on here have said and it’s all about virtue signalling for most of the Musk cult, which as far as I can tell, is middle aged white liberals. Although I’ve only met maybe 2 dozen Tesla owners, they have all fit this description to a person. Same goes for all people I’ve talked with at trade shows who speak of Tesla with baited breath.

starfcker
starfcker
  ElGoyo
November 26, 2018 3:22 pm

Houston we have a problem. The Jaguar I pace is already out, and the problem is they have no charging capacity available in the United States or Europe. So sorry

RiNS
RiNS
  starfcker
November 26, 2018 3:35 pm

Here is a great story… Another great customer experience…

starfcker
starfcker
  ElGoyo
November 27, 2018 4:29 am
TampaRed
TampaRed
November 26, 2018 3:56 pm

it’s a fine line between shading the edges so customers,investors,vendors,etc. have enough confidence to do business w/you & simply running a confidence game–

starfcker
starfcker
  TampaRed
November 26, 2018 4:09 pm

I agree, Tampa. And that fine line is a simple one. Did you deliver in the end?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  starfcker
November 26, 2018 4:14 pm

star,
even if musk turns it completely around i believe that he could possibly face criminal charges & almost certain massive civil charges/lawsuit judgments–

starfcker
starfcker
  TampaRed
November 26, 2018 4:41 pm

Criminal charges for what? Now not quite hitting your numbers on an exact date is a crime? That’s fucking insane

starfcker
starfcker
  TampaRed
November 27, 2018 4:35 am

Your wording is quite curious. “Turns it completely around” it never was what you are characterizing it as. You just reading a bunch of bullshit, getting sucked in by it. Why would Musk be in any criminal trouble? Why would he be in any civil trouble? His job is to protect his investors. He doesn’t owe anything to short sellers or day traders. Investors in Tesla are making a lot of money. The ass raping short sellers are taking is well deserved, and I’m certainly enjoying it. I hope nobody here follow that line of thinking and put their money up. This is getting ridiculous. Tesla’s nowhere near the brink anymore. So stop reading and believing the prayer articles written by people who need the stock to drop dramatically or they’re bankrupt. Cuz they’re going to go bankrupt, not Tesla

starfcker
starfcker
  starfcker
November 27, 2018 5:42 am

Think of it in Animal Kingdom terms. Tesla is like a nice sharp dog. The financial writers are like fleas hopping on that dog. And the short sellers are like worms in that dog’s shit.