Vertical Thinking

Guest Post by The Zman

Some time ago, someone sent me a link to a news story about vertical farming, which is a form of urban agriculture. Here is the Wiki on it and here are some news stories about it here, here and here. Amusingly, when you dig into the subject, you find that the growth of vertical farming can be credited to marijuana growers, who used hydroponic farming to grow weed outside the prying eyes of the man. Big agriculture is now jumping into the business, as a way to both cut labor cost, but also transportation costs.

The cost drivers for food production have always been labor, land and transportation, so farmers have always looked to technology to mechanize their process and increase the yield per acre. Getting the result to market, on the other hand, has always been controlled by distance. Farmers are way outside the city and the customers are in the city. Things like motorized transport and refrigeration have had the strange result of increasing the distance between farm and table. Most city dwellers have never seen a farm.

Vertical farming not only allows for greater yield per acre, you just keep growing up, it also allows for the distance between farm and table to collapse. Vertical farms are just buildings using hydroponics and can be as tall as you like. Almost every city has an excess of abandoned warehouse and factory space. Those spaces, in theory, can be turned into vertical farms. The area around them could literally be turned into farmer’s markets, where the locals can buy their food from the farmer.

The other twist on this is the growing of food in a building, rather than out on the land, makes automation easier. Having robots roaming around the countryside sounds like fun, but robots break, so that means people roaming the countryside to fix the robots. In contrast, an automated warehouse requires just a few people to maintain the robots, relatively speaking. A Japanese firm has built a vertical lettuce farm that is entirely automated. It is a robot vertical farm that is commercially viable.

It’s not much a jump in thought to imagine where this can lead. This method of food production means that cities could become independent of the countryside, maybe even become agricultural centers. That means the interdependence of rural and urban that is enforced and regulated by government could be be broken. That does not mean cities would break from from the countryside, but it means they could survive, at least, if order breaks down and government is no longer able to maintain the balance.

The science fiction scenario is not such a big leap, if vertical farming can be what the industry thinks it can be in a few decades. The cosmopolitans who run the cities and control finance and trade, would move to seal off the cities from the countryside. Inside we get the Brave New World of Huxley, while outside we get the depopulated countryside of John the Savage. The cities would be connected by hyper loops built by Elon Musk. Port cities will be where goods and services enter the system from overseas.

As John Derbyshire remarked at the most recent Mencken conference, the future imagined by Huxley is not only more likely than that imagined by Orwell, it is right around the corner. Cities may not become entirely self-sufficient in the next generation, but the world of work and want is possibly coming to a close in the West. A lot can happen between now and the glorious future, like a plague or an unforeseen financial collapse that upends social order, but the future imagined by Huxley is visible on the horizon.

There is one problem with all of this, whether it is self-sufficient cities run by robots or the future imagined by Huxley. That is, what would be the point? Ruling elites have the population they need to rule. They always seek to reduce that which is not useful to their grip on power. The proliferation of birth control is simply eugenics with a happy face. The societies to the South are sending their excess population north because they don’t want them. Every African potentate will tell you. He has too many Africans.

In the robot cities of the future, most of the people would serve no purpose, so they could be expelled out of the city or recycled for their mineral content in the vertical farms. At some point, the only useful people to the ruling elite would be the guards, who defend the city from the outlanders and expel excess people. Some jobs can never be automated, at least not in foreseeable future, so cities would still have people, just not a lot of them. The logical result of that is much smaller cities, but that becomes self-defeating.

Just play out the dynamics of the imaginary world of self-sufficient cities run by robots and it becomes ridiculous in a hurry. The expulsion of people drives up the population of outlanders and drives down the population of cosmopolitans. To keep from being overrun, the number of guards needed by the city must go up. The self-sufficient cities run by robots eventually become armed camps for no other purpose than to guard the vertical farms and give the ruling class someone over whom to rule. It’s pointless.

Of course, there is another side to the question. That is, what’s the point of living in the world imagined by Huxley. That is the thing Derbyshire noted in his talk. People prefer Orwell, because his future seems like it has a point. There is a reason to live. In the Brave New World, life is consumption and fornication floating in an ether of soma, the opioid-like narcotic freely available in Huxley’s future. That’s what makes it so unpleasant for modern readers. Life without purpose is not utopian. It is dystopian..

As we get closer to that world and drug addiction rates spiral upward, suicide rates climb higher and now life expectancy is declining, it suggests there is a stop between here and Huxley’s imagined future. That’s death. Humans, at least Europeans, are not built for captivity. This reality is probably what is driving the migrant invasions. What’s the point of defending your lands when you have no reason to get up in the morning? People don’t defend land. They defend the life that can be built and lived on that land.

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Alic
Alic
December 1, 2018 5:40 pm

I’ve yet to see AI robot do following: trim bud, replace rat chewed emitters, repair busted vertical lines, install solar panels on 45 degree grades…..

aka.attrition
aka.attrition
  Alic
December 2, 2018 3:15 am

If you look at the state of robot tech today compared to just 10 years ago then you get a sense of just how fast this is going to happen. We went from PCs in 1980 to handheld smartphones with access to the world in just 30 years (perhaps less depending on how you count things). Within 20 years (probably less) robots will be like toasters, everywhere. Doing household chores, mowing lawns, stacking shelves, combat soldiering. However long you think it’s going to be, it’s probably going to happen much faster.

Steve
Steve
December 1, 2018 6:45 pm

There is no way a city can be fed on crops grown within it unless soylent green is on the menu. Thanks but, I’ll be with Johnny Savage walking on grass and being one with nature, or what’s left of it.
It seems we,ve passed the apex of human growth in the natural world and are now regressing in all aspects of that. Future growth will be too non-human/technological. What I’m trying to say is we’re losing what it means to be human. Sorry, not interested in any brave new world.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  Steve
December 1, 2018 7:48 pm

Maybe, instead, we are going to re-discover “what it means to be human” in all the nastiness which those of us posting here have—through fortuitous accidents of birth—largely been able to avoid.

Jack Lovett
Jack Lovett
December 1, 2018 7:40 pm

As we head into this ice age, I think the best biz for a young person would be in ag.So many empty warehouses ,buildings. Convert those to farms in the city. Low transport costs. Food is going to be in short supply. Whether aguaponics,hydroponics or just a greenhouse will be valuable.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
December 1, 2018 7:40 pm

Hydroponics (imo) is like fracking.. it’s unlikely you really get more energy out of it than you put in.

Think of the expense of that Japanese dealio… to grow LETTUCE. There may or may not be a monetary return currently, but there sure as hell isn’t a caloric return.. and calories are what it’s all about in the Real World™®

These things need to be ‘affordable’ on an energy basis. Conventional industrial ag., it is said, expends 10 calories to obtain 1 food calorie. I don’t see urban hydroponics breaking even on this score, or anything near to it. And sure, you can grow greens, but the majority of everyone’s calories come from carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. Can’t imagine growing much corn or raising many pigs in a high-rise.

If you’re not shipping the food, you’re still going to be shipping the food components.. things like phosphorus and boron don’t come from nowhere. I guess there would be savings on the water weight, but what are the water sources like? Are they gonna try this in Flint?

And the question of nutrient cycles still remains. Hardscrabble’s cows shit on the fields, the grass grows fertilized by the shit, and the cows then eat the grass and shit it out again. This is how Nature works. Since humans retain themselves outside of and exempt from, if not Highly Superior to, Nature and natural processes, they proudly take good fertilizer and turn it into toxic sewage at great cost, and then import mined fertilizers which are less good than the “crap” they just threw away!

Urban hydroponics is just an extension of that broken nutrient cycle—no solution at all.

starfcker
starfcker
  Chubby Bubbles
December 1, 2018 10:50 pm

Vertical farming is total bullshit. You can’t take the free energy of the sun and replace it with the energy necessary to create enough photosynthesis. You can’t take tilling the ground and replace it with tilling within structure. And vegetables don’t create enough calories by themselves to feed anybody anyway. It might work for a thousand dollar a pound, 45-day crop like marijuana, but you’re not going to make it work with $0.89 a pound lettuce.

mark
mark
  starfcker
December 1, 2018 11:27 pm

Excellent Book…I’m going into a crash course starting this winter, learning using Cold Frames now. I already put lots of sweet potatoes in my fall garden mulch’em up and dig’em up as needed. Get it, master it and be prepared.

Improvise, adapt and overcome.

The Year-Round Vegetable Gardener: How to Grow Your Own Food 365 Days a Year, No Matter Where You Live

splurge
splurge
  mark
December 2, 2018 10:42 am

This does work for many crops. I’ve grown all sorts of greens and cool weather roots
in cold frames through several Maine winters.

Rossa
Rossa
  starfcker
December 2, 2018 4:16 am

Totally agree and not just energy from the sun, but energy to run the ‘farm’.

There’s an experiment in the U.K. growing high price herbs and salad leaves using LED lights, a combo of red and blue, because they use less electricity. Robots tend the crops and move them around. Tomatoes of the vine variety are also grown hydroponically.

Try doing any of that to replace millions of acres of wheat and other crops that take up a lot of land horizontally or things like potatoes or anything grown underground. Not going to happen.

Gonna grow their meat and fish in these warehouses or are all city dwellers to become vegan?

And where in the cities will they put the power stations to supply all the electricity for their farms and vehicles? Unless they get into small scale nuclear fusion. And water? It’s a pipe dream!

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
December 1, 2018 8:44 pm

Nothing will survive unless you can defend it from the niggers and IRS.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
December 2, 2018 8:10 am

Total pipe dream. Unless human beings can learn how to live on lettuce, there’s simply too many products that cannot be integrated into this kind of production model. And then there’s the cost. I have a friend who raises micro greens in vertical production and he get’s $12.50 per pound wholesale. That’s more than most people pay for steak.

Will Allen has been at it for a good while and knows his way around aquaponics systems, worth a watch.

TampaRed
TampaRed
December 2, 2018 3:57 pm

some of you guys are quick to dismiss this but vertical farming is probably doable for most crops that do not require massive amounts of land/water such as corn & wheat,and most corn is grown for animal consumption–
have any of you ever seen articles or videos about earthships where everything is recycled on site,human waste included–
several years ago i read an article about meat being grown in a laboratory–they would take a tiny piece of the real meat & somehow coax it into growing into amounts large enough to eat–

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  TampaRed
December 3, 2018 1:40 am

Most of the corn crop in the US is, ironically, going towards “biofuel” (the kind you burn in your car).

TampaRed, are you ‘on’ something?

Yeah, you can grow “meat” in a lab, but Thermodynamics teaches us that There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. All that shit costs (both money-wise and energetically) way more than just raising a damned animal on pasture.

Yes, you can recycle human waste in an artificial environment—AT AN ENERGETICAL COST—while the world at large has, up until now, provided us with those services FOR FREE, at least until we started fucking it all up!

God damn.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Chubby Bubbles
December 3, 2018 11:01 am

sybil,
you need to check out these links–
i’m not saying that i like the idea of this lab grown meat but if it’s technologically feasible it will be the future–

https://www.google.com/search?q=meat+grown+in+a+lab+could+be+the+future+of+protein&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS775US775&oq=meat+that+is+grown+in+a+lab&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l5.21569j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

an article about corn–we were both partially correct & partially incorrect-

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/

recycling human waste is free?i bet the guys on here who pay a monthly sewage fee would disagree–

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  TampaRed
December 3, 2018 1:26 pm

It’s free where I live. Just go pee on a bush.
Oh, you paved over all the vegetation? Well, sucks to be you!