Guest Post by Eric Peters
The metric for success in the car business used to be whether your cars sold well. If they did, you made money and stayed in business.
The new metric is “sustainability” – a virtue-signaling marketing term for rent-seeking, which is becoming the way you take money when your cars no longer sell.
Or when you’ve decided to stop building cars that do sell in favor of those that don’t – as Audi has just decided.
Over the next five years, Audi will systematically stop making cars powered by internal combustion engines – which sell – favor of electric cars like the new eTron – which don’t.
Why they don’t sell is easy enough to grok.
The eTron is a mid-sized crossover SUV otherwise similar to the Audi Q5 . . . other than costing $30k more to start than the Q5: $74,00 vs. $42,950.
Most people haven’t got the wherewithal to spend $30k extra for the eTron’s electric drivetrain, especially when you get less – in terms of range. And more – in terms of wait.
The eTron goes just 248 miles, best case. About half as far as a $15k Corolla . . .with half a tank of gas.
If you don’t drive too fast. If it’s not too hot or too cold outside. As opposed to 500 miles, regardless, for the internally combusting Q5.
Which will also go – roughly – about 360,000 miles on the $30k extra you didn’t spend on an electric drivetrain.
And while the eTron may not burn any gas, it does burn up a lot of time.
You’ll have to wait a minimum of 30 minutes to recover 80 percent of its best-case 248 mile range each time you “fast” charge. If you “fast” charge twice a week, it’ll cost you at least an hour.
And don’t forget the 80 percent – which is 20 percent less than 100 percent, for those not counting. Which means the eTron’s real-world range is more like 200 miles vs. 500 . . . assuming you don’t run the AC or heat, which will reduce the eTron’s 200 miles to something less than 200 miles since everything that’s powered in the eTron is powered by electricity which means draw on the battery.
So you’ll probably have to “fast” charge three times – wasting another 30 minutes. Best case. If you haven’t got a “fast” charger, recharging the eTron takes all day. This may be inconvenient.
And time can’t be recharged.
It probably explains why Audi has sold a heady 253 eTrons so far this year – – opposed to 4,350 Q5s last month.
Or rather, given them away – since the eTron, like all electric vehicles, is dependent on federal kickbacks as well as federal manufacturing quotas. Absent these, even fewer eTrons would be built – and it’d be much more painful, financially, for Audi to give them away. The federal “incentive” of $7,500 to the buyer would have to come out of Audi’s pocket – as opposed to the taxpayers’.
If this sounds perverse, you don’t grok modern political economics.
Audi – and Tesla and other car companies that make electric cars don’t have to sell electric cars in order to take money.
So long as other car companies aren’t selling them.
Those companies have to buy credits from Audi – or some other company making electric cars – which they can present to the government in lieu of making electric cars themselves.
The credits are for carbon not emitted by electric cars – which is true, if you only consider the tailpipe, not the smokestack. Which the government does not consider.
Which electric cars the government has therefore decreed to be “zero” emissions – which is true, once they’re built.
While they’re being made, however… and in the course of making what they run on … but never mind.
For reasons that have nothing to do with hugging the planet, the government requires that everyone manufacturing cars either manufacture a certain number of electric cars or pay other manufacturers for manufacturing them – the latter being the credits bought in lieu of manufacturing them.
The companies buying the credits have concluded it’s less hassle and probably costs them less to just buy the credits rather than build EVs and then pretend to sell them.
But it still costs them.
It just cost FiatChrysler more than $2 billion, just to give you an idea. Most of that went to Tesla; soon Audi will get to wet its beak, too.
Audi’s Chief Financial Officer Alexander Seitz isn’t bashful about it, either. “Carbon credits are cash in today’s world,” he says. “As finance chief, I am already looking forward to every electric car sold, even if their profitability cannot yet achieve that of conventional vehicles.”
Italics added, to emphasis the obnoxious.
“Today’s world” being a political world in which mobility is under assault in the name of environmentalism – using the shibboleth “climate change” and the fraud of of “zero emissions” electric cars.
Which aren’t – if one takes into account the totality of C02 eructed during the manufacturer of electric cars, especially their battery packs. And also the eructions of C02 by the utility plants which convert natural gas or coal or oil into the electricity which power electric cars.
It turns out that lifetime C02 “emissions” from EVs are dead-heat with those eructed by the average modern combustion-engined car at its tailpipe.
This would matter if averting “climate change” were truly the concern – since C02 eructed is C02 eructed, whether at the tailpipe or the strip mine or the utility plant.
Of course, it’s only the pretext – for choke-holding the mobility of the proletariat.
Which becomes obvious once one realizes that this credit-buying con isn’t “sustainable.” At some point, the cow runs dry. Someone has to make money selling cars.
If the car companies still making cars that sell – or rather the cars they can make money selling – decide to give up on that and do as Audi (and Tesla) are doing an go into the unsalable EV “business,” who will they sell “credits” to?
Crickets.
The supposed object is an all-EV fleet. But that’s not “sustainable,” either – from the standpoint of shoo’ing away the “climate change” bogeyman. EVs having a carbon footprint just as large, only imprinted elsewhere.
It’s a good thing “climate change” is a bogeyman.
The engineers at Audi, et al are certainly aware of all of this. None dare say so, openly.
“Sustainability” is the watchword . . . until it becomes unsustainable.
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Fuckin liberals….charge your E-car using coal fired electrical plants.
Tesla default’s coming…
I agree that the carbon credits, tax credits & incentives and all other machinations to make electric’s competitive in today’s market need to fall. That being said, I don’t agree with Eric that EV’s don’t have a place. For commuters in large cities in temperate climates they make a ton of sense. A 250 mile range is more than enough for a huge percentage of drivers. I don’t think even Elon Musk has said that EV’s are meant for the 3000 mile road trip. And in western states where you need to cover vast distances they don’t make sense. Where most of us live our daily routines they do. We just need to get the price to a place where they pencil out as cheaper than the antiquated internal combustion engine and I think the take rate will explode. Talk to anyone who has an EV and they rave about them.
And as a car guy I’m curious if Mr. Peters has ever ridden in a performance designed Tesla? The energy storage-to-torque on an EV is amazing. Aircraft like g-forces taking off from a dead stop. I’d rather ride in a Tesla than a Corvette. I’m not going to throw down $100k for one but if I were shopping for an exotic type sports car…maybe.
I would rather have the Corvette.
i would rather drive a Hyundai Tuscon.
I’d rather have a car where every part of the fuel system can be replaced with new for $350 rather than a car where it costs $2000 just to get to the one bad part that will have to be repeated again next year because its replacement is a piece of shit part made in China.
You’re a fag and your mother still washes your balls.
Best comment in a long time. LOL
Antiquated internal combustion engine? You obviously dont know anything at all about cars or engines. Like zero. None. Zilch, nada nothing.
Every car deserves a right to compete in the open and free marketplace. But that means WITHOUT SUBSIDIES, WITHOUT carbon credit penalties, without tax kickbacks, without subsidized charging stations, without mandatory charging stations at new commercial developments, without ALL of the violence-based bullshit that is now being heaped upon everyone to make these electric toys marginally feasible. Cars simply need to be FREED of ALL government mandates (mileage, safety devices, monitoring devices, limiting devices, tracking devices, cut-off devices, etc.). Everyone should be able to purchase and drive what THEY want, not what the politicians want. How fucked up is it that government fails at everything it does, and yet it is also allowed to dictate virtually everything when it comes to a critical segment of the economy like transportation. Almost as fucked up as allowing them to control medicine.
A thousand upvotes if I could.
https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-electric-vehicles-1991603
Audi has been destroying new cars for years. To keep the prices up.
Same logic as negative interest rates.
Coocoo thinking.
The electric car pushers never talk about our fragile electric grid and what your electric bill looks like after charging these cars for a month. My old gas guzzler pickup will never use 50.000 dollars worth of gas in my lifetime. (it may seem like it at times) but I can live with it. A more acceptable solution would be more vehicles like a Prius. Pickup trucks with a small diesel that kicks in to charge up the battery pack. Current Truck models being pushed as the future have a price tag of around 90.000. I guess some wealthy yuppies might buy one.
How many coal fired power plants will be needed to charge the green revolution?
More than the Chinese can imagine.
You guys, including old Eric here, don’t get it. Of course this makes no sense…now. It can’t make any sense because you still believe in infinite oil. For you there has always been oil in the can and there has always been gas at the station. But no matter how you do your maffs, you have to admit that there is precious little in the way of ancient forests being transformed into oil in the ground. And even where there are ancient forests being placed under the ground, it will take millions of years before those plants are turning into oil that can be pumped out of the ground and put into your gas tank.
So no matter how you think about it, eventually the oil will run out. The gas will run out. You won’t be able to have any. It’s not that it will be expensive and only the rich can have it. There won’t be any for you at any price. And when that happens, you will not be able to make a 3000 mile road trip. You won’t be driving to Vegas or Disneyland or grandma’s house for Thanksgiving. You will once again find yourself restricted in your mobility. Not today, of course, and not tomorrow, but soon. Some of us may not see it but our children most certainly will see it.
This current charade is not for you. You are not supposed to understand it or accept it. It is for your children so they won’t freak out like old Eric here and head to Washington on their last tank of gas to shoot the assholes who let all of the oil get away. Electric cars, global warming, all of it is for one thing. It is to slow drip you and more importantly your children into accepting a more restricted future. The Post Oil Era.
I realize that you don’t like it. They realize that you don’t like it. They are trying to get you to accept the Road Warrior mentality that will be your future. There is no turning back. You are riding on a train that only goes to one place. The end of oil. On the day that the train reaches the end of the tracks you had better be ready to jump off. No matter what you desire. No matter what your hopes and dreams may be. Either you accept that the oil is gone to you or you lose your shit.
Most of you will lose your shit.
Oil is abiotic ….. so take your decomposing forest crap and shove it up your tailpipe.
Even if it’s not, I’m driving my two GASOLINE powered cars until Da Earf coughs up her last drop of oil …. and there ain’t jack shit you can do about it so, buzz off with yer holier-than-thou preaching.
Go get ’em, Stucky!!
You’re a fat assed moron living in his mothers basement. So go suck your own dick you holier than thou preaching shit head.
My, oh my, I do believe you are a bit too pissy today!
No. I am pretty sure that I am just pissy enough.
The solution to a shortage of oil is a shortage of oil. If/when oil starts becoming harder to come by, the price will go up and people will adapt – including, probably, electric cars. So we don’t need the gooberment leading people around by the nose. An unencumbered market would take care of things.
What are you talking about?
When oil is hard to come by, you aren’t going to have machinery that mines lithium for batteries or iron for steel. You won’t have clean-room fabrication plants for all the silicon wafers and electronic gadgetry. You won’t have asphalt for roads. You won’t have rubber for tires. You won’t have all the plastic and foam for the interiors, or even the fucking paint for any g-d- electric vehicles.
H’wood Rob, you are Right On about the End of Oil.
The interesting thing about EVs is that they use MORE energy and resources and pollute MORE (not less) than regular cars.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/business/technology/55602/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones-german-study-shows/
If you believe the world operates according to thermodynamical principles, as I do, this is unsurprising as it IT CANNOT BE ANY OTHER WAY. Our Heavenly Mandate is to burn the burnables, eat the edibles, break down any existing energy gradients, and ultimately turn the living into the dead. It is an irreversible process.
Human beings are dissipative structures. We clamor for more GDP, which is nothing if not a measure of waste.
This is a good post referencing Tim Garrett’s work:
There is nothing surprising about carbon tax credits being more wasteful than not. That’s how the world is designed to work. Whenever something seems illogical, upon consideration of the Maximum Power/EmPower Principle, it all starts to make sense.
The Second Law Trumps EV efficiency
Just when you think you’ve won the internet……
I’ve been burning this for 10 year s in a race car.
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/biofuels/8-synthetic-fuels.htm
You are assuming that fossil fuels actually occured the way they decided but never bothered to prove. To start.
Gawd, HR, that was the best sarcasm I’ve ever seen from you!! Keep it up.I’m still laughing.
Why thankyou.
Robbing Peter to pay Al and Elon.