Guest Post by The Zman
Since the early days of the alt-right, there has been a debate among dissidents about the utility of street protests. Prior to the Charlottesville debacle, most people, including the alt-lite types, were sure it was necessary for right-wing groups to “show the colors” on the street, even if it meant confrontation with the goon squads of the Left. Many, of course, were excited by the opportunity to mix it up with groups like Antifa. The truth is, a lot of guys were attracted to the alt-right because they wanted the action.
After the Charlottesville disaster, opinion swung the other way. Richard Spencer soldiered on with his college speaking gigs, but each one was more embarrassing than the next, as the Left turned them into a violent circus that was blamed on the alt-right and anyone within distance of them. The authorities and the media openly sided with Antifa, so these events became recruiting videos for them. It was black clad street fighters versus cartoon Nazis, with the black bloc always winning.
Despite the obvious futility of these types of things, there remains a faction that insists this sort of stuff is useful. A group calling itself Patriot Prayer holds street events in Portland Oregon, where they are pummeled by well-organized Antifa gangs, supported by the police and the mayor. This past weekend, they had a rally where a small number of them got the hell beat out of them by hundreds of Antifa. An old man was beaten with crowbars and an Asian homosexual was doused with some sort of chemical.
Of course, the internet was full of right-wingers, mostly the goofy civic nationalist types, demanding sympathy for what happened. It was the usual stuff, accusing the Left of being the real fascist enemies of freedom. It is just another form of the hand-wringing we would see from the Buckley crowd after they lost another fight with the Left. It is an effort to turn failure into noble suffering. As someone on Gab put it, it is just failure theater that makes the Left look good and the Right look like losers.
Frankly, there should be zero sympathy for the people getting beaten at these events, as they deserve the beating. If someone walks into a biker club and starts challenging the bikers on their home turf, no one would be shocked if the bikers beat the crap out of the idiot. In fact, most people would assume the guy had it coming. The same applies to these stupid street protests like the one in Portland. These people are begging to be assaulted on camera by Antifa, so they get what they deserve.
More important, they are functioning as the willing stooges of Antifa. Without some right-wing goofballs there would be no reason for the riot. If they did riot, they would be blamed for it and the media would be forced to report the truth, at least some of the truth, about the people involved. With the rental clowns from the Right, the whole show can go on according to the script. It becomes one long recruiting video for Antifa, which ends up looking like the place to go if you are young and angry.
This is an extension of a larger fight among dissidents, between the old white nationalist types and the younger, smarter activists and thinkers, who have entered the space over the last decade. The old school types like the street brawls for personal reasons, but they insist their old tactics are the only tactics. These are the people who insist on being public, self-doxing and adopting taboo iconography. These are the guys who say, “if you’re are going to be called a Nazi, you may as well be one.”
The last part, of course, is just surrendering to the Left. Once you allow the Left to define the terms, they control the language. Once they control the language, they control the public morality and you have lost. Oddly, this is the same basic mistake the Buckley types have been making for generations. The result is that the old white nationalists were never more than the organ grinder’s monkey for the Left. When lefty needed some cartoon Nazis, he would whistle and these guys would perform.
The idiocy of this stuff should be obvious, but it persists for a reason. Despite generations of failure, young men are attracted to these tactics because they offer some adventure and excitement. Even while getting humiliated by Antifa, there is a sense of fraternity that has a timeless appeal. Of course, it helps that the Left has evolved to encourage this behavior, as it furthers their interests. They have become adept at conjuring this sort of street theater and turning it into propaganda.
That said, it is exactly why charging into a left-wing stronghold in order to be pummeled into submission is suicidal stupidity. On the one hand it plays right into the familiar narrative the Left has used for generations to control white people. This is their game and they play it well. On the other hand, it suggest that dissidents are no better than the Antifa street thugs. Fair or foul, people judge you by the company you keep and those pictures of street brawls are what normal white people see on television.
Activism of any sort is about encouraging your side and discouraging the other side. If your efforts encourage the other side, they are always bad for your side. Making the enemy stronger is never good. On the other hand, activism that makes your side stronger, outside the sight of the enemy is the best, as it leaves them unprepared. By definition, the sorts of street theater we saw in Portland should be avoided. In fact, it should be assumed they are staged by the Left to serve the ends of their activism.
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I was an early TEA Party protestor in NYC. We had many events and there was limited violence as the NYPD, unlike Portland PD, do not allow the left to carry weapons of any type and they use fencing to keep folks separated to a degree. Yes, protesting is fun, exciting and pushing and shoving the other side is very tribal and satisfying. I would even argue communication is enhanced with some physical contact so long as there are boundaries. Blocking people with your body (the left loves to conga line through your protest) is OK but throwing punches, Quikrete milkshakes, Acid, Urine/Feces, using deadly weapons (crowbars, rocks etc) is not.
So what do you propose we do about Portland?
Cede the city to the left (the biker bar where conservatives can’t go?) or just pretend that free speech, assembly, redress of grievances etc are rights that don’t exist in Portland?
What are you proposing beyond writing blogs on a sympathetic site like TBP?
The kick starter for Andy Ngo has raised $150k+ in 48 hours. He was on Tucker’s show last night and like so many times in history, this could be an event that changes the dynamic.
The average person looks at Ngo’s assault and the clear preparations with malice aforethought from the ANTIFA and the conclusions are obvious……ANTIFA are dangerous violent and unacceptable. That CNN and MSNBC et al have been lying (again) about the left.
I think the Prayer group has been successful not a failure. Sure Portland is in enemy hands and will be for some time but the chain of events that will ultimately lead to retaking the Left coast has started.
Those of us in the Midwest and South see what’s going on up in places like Portland and are paying attention. Getting young guys who will fight is not the hard part. Getting them to fight to win is the challenge. We need a divorce from places like Oregon and California and by force if necessary.
I remember watching videos where the Proud Boys beat the Hell out of some Antifers. One guy knocked out 3 or 4 of them in one event. Think his name was Ruffo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHsk7EuX4K0
that is a fun video, real creative editing.
I’m noticing more and more how the Antifa fags seem to whip out the pepper spray, for offensive purposes, which is considered a criminal assault where I live.
There definitely is a problem with these goons, and the states that allow them to “act out” in public. I gotta believe the gang members of antifags are politically connected, either they are relatives or friends of those in power.
Senator Tim Kaine’s kid is an Antifuque. Takes a great mug shot.
He goes by Rufio Panman. Lots of results and Facebook links on Bing. He got arrested for defending himself bare handed against the scumbags he took out.
Invite the local biker chapter to visit the area. Have a talk with the ANTIFA terrorist. I don’t know who alt-right is. If you represent Nazi groups or skinheads than you have lost before you started.
Branding those that think differently as terrorists makes you sound like a nation state. Use your brain before engaging your mouth.
Antifa are the communist footsoldier street enforcers with the full support and backing of the Bolshevik media/government kleptocracy we now have in the US. Most people don’t dare voice their conservative views in the public square because they don’t want to be doxxed, fired from their job, harassed, threatened, ridiculed, beaten with metal pipes, have acid, cement or piss thrown on them or even worse – go to jail for merely defending themselves. That’s how skewed the power structure in the US has become.
The Left doesn’t think of conservatives as people with bad ideas, they think of us as bad people with ideas…….And therefore any actions against “bad” people are legitimate.
The “power structure” is not monolithic…..but fractionated, regionalized, urban vs. rural, non-white vs. white, Christian vs. other, rich vs. poor and on and on…….There is not one all-powerful group (jews or otherwise) but competing elites. To be sure most of the elites are authoritarians and embrace collectivism as a way to control the masses. I saw this over and over again in NYC……Wall Street titans with tons of money they earned in the snake pit of Wall Street immediately become Leftists…..its mostly about guilt, virtue signaling and blocking out new competitors……So while there are trends/directionality it is not monolithic.
We the People have the ultimate power of numbers, which of course is why identity politics is constantly used to divide the people…..when we fight amongst ourselves we are not focused on the real enemies……
Don’t worry at some point folks will have had enough of ANTIFA and bring violence to them in ways they won’t expect. Real violence is something the Left is not prepared for and once it starts it is very hard to stop (ask the Balkans, Syria, Iraq, Mexico, Colombia etc).
Unfortunately I don’t see how we avoid going into the abyss, certainly open to potential strategies to avoid civil war and also preserve our freedom.
Come on Hammerhead , after everything you have just written I can tell now that you are a Redneck. You love the ” fight ” . You need to get on out to Portland and kick some ass.
Stop daydreaming about it just do it.
Our time will come, the Left thinks they want this fight and many on the right enjoy the semi-controlled scrum/brawls but they really have no idea of what a dirty war looks like. The savagery, torture, rapes, abuse, deprivation and for the lucky death comes quickly. When a 14-year-old, drunk is holding you at gunpoint at an improvised checkpoint you realize your life is hanging by a thread……this won’t be Blue vs. Gray….there won’t be any uniforms, no front lines and no quarter…….we don’t want this and yet we also don’t want the alternative…..I would rather be a dead freedom fighter than a live citizen of the USSA.
So how pervasive is Antifa in Portland? How do businesses operate with the thugs running things? If Antifa is crawling all over downtown then businesses are having to suffer. No sane person wants to be around bloodthirsty and violent lunatics who seek to harm them.
Part of the deal is some hot blood wants to fight and that’s on both sides. They don’t do a real street fight, the cops defend Antifa and arrest those who mix it up with them. Mayor Wheeler gives Antifa free rein, what should happen is people ignore them, boycott Portland and especially those areas where Antifa is present and let economic distress work it’s wonders.
Zman still hasn’t clarified whether he is a Nationalist or just another multiculturalist opposed to suicidal immigration…It’s our nation, and in the end, either we win or the (((bolsheviks))) and their diversity storm troopers win, and the country will be one giant trash heap, like Brazil.
If I could do something about it right now, which I can’t. Go to stupid protest dressed as leftist retard. Observe. Find out the leaders. Follow them home. Kidnap them at a later date and torture their ass till they tell you everything, who gives them their orders and pays them. Then find those people, and do the same, until you have rolled up the whole thing. But, we kind of know who is at the top, but info you could find out would be worthwhile.
Of course, in general, going to protests or otherwise frankly giving a shit about Portland is a waste of time. Let those cities stew in their filth is the best option for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7LaBVnLDi4
We know who they are. In fact some of them have already been indicted and others are being investigated by grand juries etc. There is a big media blackout because the indictees are in DC and work for the government, or at least did under Obunghole. The Trump administration has fired a few where they could. Project Veritas had videos of these assholes bragging about organizing this shit on the government clock. I can’t remember the names but the ringleader is a degenerate “Hispanic” of some sort. It figures since the Latin American political culture is degenerate.
“Frankly, there should be zero sympathy for the people getting beaten at these events, as they deserve the beating. If someone walks into a biker club and starts challenging the bikers on their home turf, no one would be shocked if the bikers beat the crap out of the idiot. In fact, most people would assume the guy had it coming. The same applies to these stupid street protests like the one in Portland. These people are begging to be assaulted on camera by Antifa, so they get what they deserve.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Anyone on the right in the Portland area should be keeping a low profile, or better yet just get the hell out of there and move someplace else. What do those protesters think they are going to do? Turn Portland into a right wing utopia? Their protests are a completely futile waste of time at best, and at worst they have the results you saw from the protest over the weekend, or even worse. Eventually someone will probably get killed.
Would you rather confront the Commies in Portland or let them consolidate their gains there and come after you in your hometown? We are in this fight whether we want it or not….I wish there was a way to avoid what is coming but there isn’t…..better to prepare the ground and take the fight to them in Portland than in “small town USA”….Portland and other leftist cities being destroyed causes me no heartache…..seeing patriot towns wrecked is too painful to think about….
I concur. Things are so volatile and getting worse daily ( due to those on the left) I feel that a spark or gunfire at the right time would send this whole country over the edge very quickly.
I get the premise, but when did it become OK for purple haired hog bitches in NBC (nuclear biological chemical) get-ups wearing masks to take over intersections and beat the shit out of people who refuse to obey their directing traffic? No one on any side has the right to do that. As at the bottom of every pile of shit we find Soros and the Dhimmicrats here as well.
I am with those who say to wait patiently, let them get cocky, take that one step too far and be gunned down in the streets and fed to the hogs. In the meantime, somebody best explain to all the Democrat shitheads that rule of law is everyone’s friend and it won’t be there when THEY need it if they don’t stop this shit where they are running the show.
Simple principle….you will live under the tyranny you are willing to accept….so far we have been willing to accept the aggro left seizing de facto power of a number of cities…..Portlandia, Seattle, San Fran, LA etc. Sure folks are moving out but that just leaves the leftists in power…..CA is a one party state and functionally so are Oregon and Washington….thus the movement to have a new State made up of Eastern Washington/Oregon as well as the movements to break up CA. Many conservatives and “normals” have been disenfranchised and are no longer represented in their State Government……tyranny.
“CA is a one party state and functionally so are Oregon and Washington….thus the movement to have a new State made up of Eastern Washington/Oregon as well as the movements to break up CA.”
Exactly – very well said. But if you make eastern Washington/Oregon a new state, that is only a partial solution. So go one step farther, and make eastern Washington/Oregon/California a separate country, or to put it a different way, make western Washington/Oregon/California a separate country from the USA. That solves lots and lots of problems, in fact that is the only solution for most of our current political/social problems. That is precisely what I proposed in the commentary linked to below. I don’t know if you ever saw it, but if not (or even if you did) it is worth a read. Here it is:
I am not willing to give up parts of the USA…that are stunningly gorgeous, productive and needed for national defense….the Left can reform, be controlled or GTFO…….Could you imagine a Chinese base in Seattle? Wouldn’t be long.
MH, I admire your determination, but it is hopeless. The Left obviously isn’t going to reform or GTFO. The absolute best case scenario (without a split) is to maintain the status quo, with uncontrolled illegal immigration, carbon credits, 200 genders, and right wingers periodically getting attacked by Antifa. But we probably won’t see the best case scenario. The Democrats are going to take permanent control of the federal government in the not-too-distant future, due to changing demographics (caused largely by uncontrolled immigration that Trump isn’t doing anything about), and election fraud (which Trump also isn’t doing anything about). So eventually the Right will either have to submit to all the crazy ideas of the Left or fight a civil war. Neither option is a good one, especially since after a civil war we will probably be worse off than before the war even started, and certainly worse off than if we had a peaceful split.
Absolutely. I am in this dystopia called Illinois which has 102 counties where one county in the furthest northeastern point of the state is able to dictate to all the other 101 counties.
Our dilemma is that states have only split twice. Maine split from one of their neighbors almost 200 years ago and Virginia split in 1863. It’s been a long time and the Prog filth will never allow the loss of congressional seats, electoral votes and all that. They would be forced to eat their own cooking and they sure do not want that.
Lets get this party started.
zman is the definition of the conservative he writes about. flaccid. impotent. every time ive seen ‘right wingers’ and ‘nazis’ protesting or whatever it is they do it’s pretty clear the whole schtick is a setup or theatre show. purposeful gatherings of misfits and invalids. made for the cameras and nothing more. groups like the proud boys might be labeled right wing but at best they are centrist/ civic nationalist.
in reality most on the right wing aren’t like hollyjew depictions: no tatoos, no drugs, physically fit, read alot, eat clean, god-fearing. and angry. don’t be suprised in the calamity if the ‘nazis’ look like your neighbor and not american history x.
yea z, if a you’re white or christian or white or straight or white (male), it won’t matter how much you cuck. you’ll still be a nazi. still be the problem. still be the enemy. and they’ll kill you anyways. so you might as well be one. cuz only one thing saved germany from a bolshevik jewish fate like the russians. and the biggest redpill is realizing we were duped into fighting on the wrong side.
daniel,
That was a worthy rant. You are zeroed in…all black.
You know those traffic cameras at intersections? They are left alone. If they had been extant when I was a kid in the 50s, we’d have taken them out every time they put them back up. And if slingshots and BB guns did not do it, we would have brought out our 22s. Wake me up when the kids of today will be doing that. I fear for the country when kids are so violent sitting at their computers, but can’t get it up to go out into the night and do things.