Question of the Day: Why Do You Think They’re Interested?

Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer

In light of the 50th anniversary of the alleged Moon walk there has been a lot of virtual ink spilled trying to reassure the increasingly doubtful American public that we really did go to the Moon fifty years ago and that all the trillion dollars diverted from taxpayer pockets to keep that cash cow well fed might be more than adequate incentive to keep up pretenses even though it’s quite obvious we have no idea how to get to the Moon half a century later- despite the daily assurances that we’ll all be replaced with robots next week. Somehow, someone decided to ask a question that puts a laser dot right on the bullseye of the motive behind it all that even a retard can understand, without actually realizing it.

I love those kind of articles.

So here’s the question; why are all these billionaires so gosh darn interested in doing something even the greatest empire on Earth can’t quite figure out?

So here’s my answer- They are smart enough to know the truth and shrewd enough to figure out how to cut themselves in on the deal. Trillions is a lot of money and the USA! Inc. can’t afford to let it slip that our greatest leap for mankind was roughly equivalent to this-

Why Are Billionaires Like Bezos So Obsessed With Space?

Authored by Marshall Auerback via TruthDig.com,

The 50th anniversary of the Apollo 11 lunar landing is this year, and it’s worth recalling the memo that then-Vice President Lyndon Johnson wrote to President John F. Kennedy:

“If we do not make the strong effort now, the time will soon be reached when the margin of control over space and over men’s minds through space accomplishments will have swung so far on the Russian side that we will not be able to catch up, let alone assume leadership.”

That sense of urgency has shifted over the decades from government to the private sector, where billionaires like Elon Musk, Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos, among others, are displaying profound enthusiasm in regard to the notion of exploiting space. Their interest appears to go well beyond space tourism for the thrill-seeking one-percenters, even though that’s what gets most of the media attention. As Cathal O’Connell reports for Cosmos Magazine, “Already companies are sending up 3D printers to produce replacement tools in space. Next we could see orbiting factories making products for sale on Earth or automated robots constructing satellites the size of a football field.”

If this all seems as exotic as those old 1930s “Flash Gordon” films did to the audiences of the day, recall that the experience of the Apollo 11 moon landing showed that reality has a way of catching up quickly to Hollywood fantasy (it also shows that when sufficient government resources are harnessed to a higher common purpose, good results can happen surprisingly quickly and efficiently). Once the likes of Bezos, Branson, Musk, and others find a way to economically hoist heavy machinery into space (and it is becoming more economic), permanent “off-Earth” manufacturing could become a reality.

But this raises an interesting issue: who chooses the technological alternatives that set out our future? Should this decision solely be left in the domain of the private sector? Should space be privatized in this matter? What about NASA? Consider the future: Forget about the threat of moving a Midwestern plant from, say, Ohio, to Mexico or China. Next time, it could be a robot-filled factory in space that takes your job.

To be clear, nobody is suggesting a return to medieval-style craft guilds. At the same time, it is worth noting certain salient aspects about technology: rather than acting in the service of mankind, technology has often been used in a way that creates a momentum of its own that establishes limits or controls what becomes socially possible. It is wrapped in an aura of linear progress and scientific inevitability, conveniently ignoring that its benefits are often skewed most heavily to the power brokers who initiate and champion its use. This is a principle danger of subcontracting space to billionaire plutocrats, whose ambitions and interests might be inconsistent with society’s broader public purpose. This is to say nothing of the increasing de-skilling of labor that could follow, if they are not integrated into this process somehow.

As the Wall Street Journal’s Greg Ip notes, the government-sponsored race to the moon spurred considerable “advances in computers, miniaturization and software, and found its way into scratch-resistant lenses, heat-reflective emergency blankets and cordless appliances,” all of which had tremendous benefits for society as a whole. But today, the government has largely lost its “moonshot mindset” and space, in turn, has increasingly become the focus of the oligarch class, seeking to enhance profit opportunities as well as exploiting the increasing trend of displacing human labor with machines. This is despite the fact that Professor Seymour Melman’s own research illustrated that if you give workers decision-making power on the shop floor, productivity tends to increase substantially.

Without a doubt, there are many benefits to be derived from the work being done in the cosmos. For example, the microgravity conditions pertaining in space are considered ideal for developing materials, such as protein and virus crystals, observes Sarah Lewin, in a piece discussing the incipient development of “off-Earth manufacturing.” The insights developed by these crystals could enhance drug research and provide useful new therapies and medical treatments for infections and diseases (such as heart disease and organ transplants). Space also enhances the scope for producing high-tech materials, whose production is otherwise adversely affected by the Earth’s gravity, one example being a “fiber-optic cable called ZBLAN, … [which, w]hen manufactured in microgravity… is less likely to develop tiny crystals that increase signal loss. When built without those flaws, the cable can be orders of magnitude better at transmitting light over long distances, such as for telecommunications, lasers and high-speed internet,” according to Lewin.

We shouldn’t be oblivious to the considerable human costs associated with work in the government’s space program – “Microgravity sets our fluids wandering and weakens muscles, radiation tears through DNA and the harsh vacuum outside is an ever-present threat” (to quote Lewin), to say nothing of the risk of death itself—which are mitigated considerably when you can do things with machines alone. At the same time, left unchallenged or unmonitored, these billionaires could use space to quietly initiate further radical changes to our social structures.

It starts with ownership models. There’s an interesting paradox of futuristic 24th-century economic visions in space being built on the 12-to-13th–century ownership models that make up Silicon Valley. Wealth sharing ownership models should be conceived as part of the futuristic vision if we don’t want to be saddled with human wealth disparities reaching factors of 12 or 15 zeros. Ideally, NASA (or some other space agency) should take a leading national developmental role in the production of goods in space, and then subcontract to manufacturers to do the actual production processes, rather than the other way around.

Of course, if the government does ultimately decide that space privatization is not a great thing, no doubt Silicon Valley and its market fundamentalist champions will trot out the line about the inefficient government fighting “technological inevitability” – a typical playbook from the Silicon Valley oligarchs (i.e., you can’t fight technological progress, so let’s just set up something like a Universal Basic Income – UBI – that acts like a painkiller, but masks the symptoms of economic injustice and fails to address the underlying causes of exploitation and inequality). That’s one major risk of “off-Earth” production when it becomes a plaything of the rich alone. That’s to say nothing of the fact that the billionaire class is already benefiting from a long series of government-funded innovations undertaken in the past, as Professor Marianna Mazzucato has illustrated in her work, “The Entrepreneurial State.”

One of which was the government-led (and funded) space program: at its funding peak, the lunar space program employed over 400,000 Americans. The management, national commitment and personal motivation of the participants were just as important as the technology itself in terms of ensuring the program’s success. It’s hard to see that sort of coalescing of interests in the absence of an overriding government stake when it comes to the production of manufactured goods in an environment outside a planetary atmosphere.

There is another unhealthy aspect to uncritically acceding to a paradigm in which supposedly superhuman entrepreneurs are selflessly taking up the baton from a tapped-out public sector. It becomes self-serving for the billionaires, and implicitly justifies and entrenches the economic status quo. As journalist Amanda Schaffer has argued:

“If tech leaders are seen primarily as singular, lone achievers, it is easier for them to extract disproportionate wealth. It is also harder to get their companies to accept that they should return some of their profits to agencies like NASA and the National Science Foundation through higher taxes or simply less tax dodging.”

That self-entitlement also manifests itself in other ways. Just look at the way that Elon Musk treats his own employees to get a better sense of this. Or Jeff Bezos’s labor practices at Amazon.com.

It’s undoubted that orbital manufacturing will yield innovations in technology, medicine and material science in the next few decades. But we should recall that technology doesn’t simply have an autonomous momentum and direction that inexorably leads to social progress. Likewise, it bears recalling (as Professor Seymour Melman once observed) that technology “is applied in accordance with specific social criteria wielded by those with economic decision power in the society.” Melman’s implicit argument is that technology can be used to enhance worker control or to create more yet alienation. The government, therefore, shouldn’t be reduced to the role of passive minority shareholder collecting dividends or royalties from a privately run space enterprise.

That’s the old market fundamentalist model that has failed pretty badly on this planet, let alone replicating it in space. So before we get too wrapped up in all of the exciting new goodies that Jeff Bezos and his fellow space enthusiasts can create for us, let’s also ensure that this move to “the final frontier” doesn’t simply become a new form of technological control and enslavement, in which the benefits continue to be distributed in a profoundly illiberal direction as they are here on planet Earth.

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old white guy
old white guy
July 22, 2019 7:18 am

We will be controlled until we decide not to be. As far as another moon shot, well, that should be apiece of cake. That is unless people think the mar’s rovers were hoaxes as well.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  old white guy
July 22, 2019 10:22 am

Sorry, I have to pop this speculative bubble. Our family just cleared out the estate of an RPI engineer “Harry aka Heribert A Wiedemeier” who was a researcher in the field of growing the crystal silicon substrates used to manufacture all the ICs that make up modern electronics.

He had several experiments go up to the IIS space station, to attempt to grow better, faster substrates in zero gravity. The results were no better than grow them down here, he lost funding, and eventually retired. His entire research was a dud.

it’s all fucking bullshit.

These billionaire would rather finance rockets, as a tribute to what’s between their legs, than spend the money trying to improve the lives of the peons on this planet.

Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  Anonymous
July 22, 2019 10:44 am
Anonymous
Anonymous
  Street Shitter
July 22, 2019 3:20 pm

good catch, I should have said “in that area” meaning the zero gravity experiments.

Tell me something, when you do take a squat in downtown SF, does it bother you when people turn their heads away in disgust, as you pull up your trousers?
or do you wear a skirt, when you go down..town.

55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
  Anonymous
July 22, 2019 10:26 pm

We should make a date of it, start at Taco Bell and head to Google HQ or Facebook where we can shit our brains out in front of Zuck’s office. We’ll shit in the sunshine.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  old white guy
July 23, 2019 3:10 am

I do believe the Mars rovers are hoaxes because they look like they’re filmed on a desert on earth, and I bet they are.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
July 22, 2019 7:24 am

The billionaires want to exploit space, pure and simple.
They intend to manufacture the launch vehicles and modular facilities the robotic workers will populate and they’ll get a huge cut of any resource profits made. It would be the same for any habitable planet colonized. The financiers would control the means of travel and any colonists would be indebted to pay for the journey.
Nice scam if you could get it.

splurge
splurge
  e.d. ott
July 22, 2019 10:11 am

I think I agree completely with this view.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
July 22, 2019 8:06 am

Until and unless there are some fundamental changes in lift mechanics, physics, materials sciences, or a way to deflect gravity, there is not going to be any significant manufacturing in space, or human travel to and settlement of other celestial bodies. Even if we could get there, it is not at all clear that the human body can thrive anywhere but Earth. Survive, perhaps, but not thrive.

So all this NASA talk of returning to the moon is bullshit, as is any concern that some rich guys are going to own space. I don’t even see 9 figure holiday trips as much of a business model, but at least they can be done. Visit or settle the Moon? Mars? Manufacture things for profitable sale on earth or anywhere else? Not now. Not soon. No way, no how. Someday maybe.

In the meantime, while you are looking at the moon, your pocket is getting picked, and your dog is getting fucked at the direction of the same people who you are told want space for themselves. They will take everything on earth first.

Pequiste
Pequiste
  Brian Reilly
July 22, 2019 10:08 am

Excellent points about the terrestrial objectives of the “crew.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 22, 2019 8:17 am

It’s all an illusion of grandiosity and immortality. Same mind -uck that’s plagued the rich and powerful for all history. Humans will not leave this place. Oh, w/ great effort a tiny outpost might get established on Mars, but in no more than a few years they will die alone in the inhospitable environs.

Millie
Millie
  Anonymous
July 22, 2019 8:32 am

It’s better than sinking more trillions into ghetto life and EBT cards.

22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
July 22, 2019 8:33 am

It cost an utter fcuk-tonne of money to pay off the blacks for votes in the 60s and 70s PLUS fight the Vietnam War.

There was barely enough money and tech for low earth orbit, let alone engineering spacecraft that could cross the Van Allen belt and navigate the moon coming and going.

Also, Bezos. What a hoot. http://mileswmathis.com/bezos.pdf
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BB
BB

It is for mind control . If the liars in NASA ( Government ) can get us to believe the moon walk they can get us to believe anything.The more I look into our ” history ” the more the out right lies become obvious . Then there is the money. Look at all the money our government just throws away every day. Being in business with the government can make you alot of money. It’s the biggest scam around.

RiNS
RiNS
  BB
July 22, 2019 10:38 am

No need to lie when you are willing
Walking with a ring since you are born …
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There is really no need to mind the bull
the sharp bits are then easy
Hardly a worry about the horns

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 10:49 am

BTW the Scottish Highland cattle are less tractable and more ornery than most cattle breeds. Lots of hobby owners have found that out the hard way! Stick with Angus/Hereford etc.

RiNS
RiNS
  Martel's Hammer
July 22, 2019 12:17 pm

…. more ornery than most cattle breeds..

didn’t know that but kinda makes sense..
To be perfectly honest I picked that one cuz
it moar closely matches the picture
of my Lil’ Trucker Buddy in my head..

what with the hair in his eyes.
and pointy horns out outta his face
He has a hard time looking around
at the shit all ovah da place…
but I Luvs that guy,
really do…
hernia and all
anyways..

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  RiNS
July 23, 2019 3:21 am

They don’t voluntarily follow. That ring is pulled and it’s in one of the most sensitive areas of their body. If somebody put a ring in your most sensitive area and pulled, I think you would follow.

overthecliff
overthecliff

The St. Louis died.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
July 22, 2019 8:54 am

So here’s the question; why are all these billionaires so gosh darn interested in doing something even the greatest empire on Earth can’t quite figure out?

I believe the economic rewards are minority considerations at best. The technological advances merely viewed as more precise tools to hone in on the desired goal…….

….”for thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-all depends on whose light you’re working under.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
July 22, 2019 8:55 am

Just like oceans were in fact highways not barriers to our species so too shall space become (and likely already is) filled with human(like) populations. Gosh, you trogs really do lack imagination, why not start a Juden Frei colony on Uranus? I would think you would embrace the chance to be rid of the small hats.

Interesting question about the economic model and then the usual screed for communism……bleech. At the end of the day, the 18/19th-century robber barons greatly enhanced the lives of untold millions. Space will be no different. The more aggressive and abusive the oligarchs are (new robber barons) the faster we get folks into space and the faster the oligarch’s power will wane. Government abuse is harder to get rid of and it is a toss-up who is worse! Soul killing Amazon or soul-killing government work.

I don’t think it is a stretch at all to think 100 years from now that humans are living on a number of planets and moons in our solar system and if we get lucky (or get a helping hand from some aliens….) we can expand beyond the solar system.

All of humanity in one place is a risky bet…..diversify our location and we greatly increase our species survivability.

I think the actual state of technological progress is much more advanced than folks typically understand. We do have viable designs for near light speed “engines” but have not (or maybe we have) turned them into deployable devices yet.

I have made the comment previously……yes there is something “off” with the space program….why would that be the one area where progress “stopped”……I am pretty sure it didn’t but for some reason, it went black instead of a public mission to Mars. We did go a number of times to the moon but Apollo 17 was the end of the public program…why?

splurge
splurge
  Martel's Hammer
July 22, 2019 10:06 am

I am pretty certain that you are correct about it going black. I suspect it has something to do with something learned but not disseminated in the field of high energy physics which is being applied to directed energy weaponry.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  splurge
July 22, 2019 10:53 am

Sounds reasonable to me and I am convinced we are getting active help from one or more alien species….which is likely a positive thing for world peace in that the Russian and Chicoms etc are likely in the fold and therefore unlikely to engage in a nuclear war….which in turns says there is lots of “theater” in the ongoing MIC shenanigans and Bolton led war mongering.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Martel's Hammer
July 22, 2019 12:10 pm

“I am convinced we are getting active help from one or more alien species….which is likely a positive thing for world peace…”

And you mock me for doubting NASA.

If these aliens are so high tech with their world peace tour, why haven’t they fixed Chicago?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 22, 2019 1:09 pm

Just speculation on my part but the “tic tac” videos and thousands of qualified witness reports (pilots, radar operators, the Governor of AZ, Candian Defense Minister etc.) all provide tantalizing clues.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Martel's Hammer
July 22, 2019 2:37 pm

Tic tac video ?

what you say coupled with the Navy’s new protocol:

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- disclosure is on the way

“And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  ordo ab chao
July 23, 2019 9:27 am

You beat me to it sir ordo… a day late and a dollar short I am.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Martel's Hammer
July 23, 2019 3:24 am

Or they’re hoaxes or government experiments.

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 22, 2019 9:58 pm

Because the aliens are SANE, and therefore not in charge of Chicago?

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 23, 2019 9:25 am

Daniel 2:43 KJB… “And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”

A very obscure verse. @ HF…

I share your doubt of all things NASA but I believe in extra-terrestrial/dimensional life. The Bible speaks frequently about it; how “they” interact and even interbreed with us. The ones in “contact” with us today have no desire to fix Chicago. They’d just assume take things completely over in this here physical world; the earth.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  splurge
July 22, 2019 11:00 am

People are actively involved with research into directed energy weapons and the effects of voltage stimulated electromagnetic polarization effects that act in opposition to Earth’s magnetic field. Same with laser induced plasma weapons.
You might be interested in something called the Biefeld-Brown Effect. It uses electrostatic current to induce an ionic “wind”. The B2 uses it on the leading edges of the wing and there are some fans with no moving parts out for sale in the consumer market.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Martel's Hammer
July 22, 2019 10:55 am

My anus is definitely Juden-frei. If we set up a colony on the moon or Mars, they’d probably find a way to change their name and sneak in.

TC
TC
July 22, 2019 8:58 am

I figured for Musk and Branson at least, they just wanted to get a nut with a space babe in zero gravity, but the easy high-margin money probably is a factor too.

M G
M G
July 22, 2019 9:09 am

If you could convince someone they have traveled through space and time, would you? One of the purchases I’ve made at flea markets around areas I’ve lived was an unopened docudrama on DVD produced in the 90s by one of the myriad homemade filmmakers produced by MTV fanatics of the 80s. In the docudrama, a group of three men claiming to be ‘deep cover CIA operatives” explain everything from the Moon as Spaceship Hoax to the Time-Space continuum problem they have run into during their travels into the future.

My husband actually enjoyed watching it, but only because he is the reason the entire family is MST3K obsessed. He lived, loved and thrived upon the Saturday matinee in his early years in Cleveland. But, it brought up a very good question I would like to pose in response after making an honest effort to answer your question. I will present it at the end.

Why do I think they are interested in this as a celebration? Or as a distraction? They are one and the same, are they not? Think of the Christening scene in the Godfather…

Forgive me if I’ve returned to my academic roots. Time with old college professors, even those retired with grandchildren crawling around their ankles, tends to make me rant pedantic and wane from profane. The Ivy Leaguers are a bit less highbrow in the midwest, but not much so. True intellectuals tend to interact with a very selective group of true intellectuals whom they deem worthy of their time and great, um, intellectual preponderances. A very few of them, like my old friend and mentor, will allow the occasional visit from an outlier.

My friend believes the Moon Landing went off as Walter Cronkite reported and she also thinks Hillary would have been a qualified president, so there’s that. However, I sensed in her demeanor toward my recent efforts on behalf of Veterans issues a certain level of disapproval. My Overall suggestion that the “colors” red, white and blue could be related to other issues of “Color” currently in the public eye bothered my old friend. Especially when I gave her the red and blue make purple demonstration live.

The argument MOST people offer when I discuss this topic with them is their refusal to believe so many people would hide the truth for so long. (As I said, I do ask old friends from time to time for their opinion. And, as I have said before, I am not proclaiming which side of this fence I look toward.) So, with the majority of people convinced it is all true as advertised, why the big push to make sure we are all aware of this 50th Anniversary of the Giant Leap? Why the focus outward?

I think there is a really big delusion heading for our shores. I think the trojans are already let loose.

I think THEY are most interested in creating a Common Enemy for mankind to unite behind in a Global Initiative sort of way. What else could it possibly be?

My question, should you choose to read and accept its promissory premise: Why do they need this particular distraction NOW? What does space travel, real or implied, cause humanity to avoid seeing?

What is going on out in Battlefield Earth? Where is Johnny Goodboy when you need him?

That L.Ron Hubbard was one peculiar dude. Strange that so many Hollywood types latch onto the Scientology principles and actually weave that junk into their movie themes.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185183/

22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
  M G
July 22, 2019 11:12 am

Hillary is not qualified to be President?

She can read a teleprompter, can’t she?

SaxonWrath
SaxonWrath
  M G
July 22, 2019 12:17 pm

“The argument MOST people offer when I discuss this topic with them is their refusal to believe so many people would hide the truth for so long.”

Maybe they didn’t hide the truth and that’s why it’s up for debate now.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  M G
July 23, 2019 3:31 am

Read the “Iron Mountain Report.” It says, in order to complete a one-world government, they have to scare the populations into it. They planned to use danger of the environment (Global Warming/Climate Change). Since that didn’t work, they are going to plan B, the manufactured invasion from space aliens, demanding world government to fight off attack. With CGI, they plan to pull it off. And many idiots will believe it. If it comes, don’t believe it for a minute.

M G
M G
  Vixen Vic
July 23, 2019 11:33 am

So, the “common enemy” unites us all!

El Kabong
El Kabong
July 22, 2019 9:20 am

I’ve gone down just about every rabbit hole you can imagine with the topic of space and NASA. Either we already have entire fleets of light-speed capable navies in space or we can’t get to the moon. The difference in extremes is telling. I don’t care about either topic anymore, but it is interesting to see the public opinion shifting on the 50th anniversary of “the event”. Our so-called leaders seem to be losing control of the narrative today and this is key to understanding why the empire was always built on lies. Space travel and exploration is fun to read about in science fiction novels for me, but I don’t want it anywhere near public policy or politics. Modern technocrats “exploiting” space are God’s problem.

M G
M G
  El Kabong
July 22, 2019 9:34 am

Now, about the technocrats being God’s problem?

What if the technocRATS are in the same business the other bureacRATS? What if they intend to convince the current residents on planet Earth the only way to survive as a human species will be to pledge all your blood treasure to the cause of protecting the Global Alliance!

What if the virtual reality technology they are so far advanced in as to be scary… trust me. They can make you think you were places you could not possibly have visited. I am horrified at the potential for harm in spite of being told it is intended for great good! Of course, greater good for all mankind.

That makes it just fine.

(Okay, I rewatched Guardians of the Galaxy recently. A classic if you don’t mind painting your skin green. And I don’t.)

El Kabong
El Kabong
  M G
July 22, 2019 10:09 am

Oh, I’m pretty sure we’ve always been at war with Eastasia. It is all arguments about angels on the head of a pin for me now. I feel safe putting my faith in God and living my life as best I can. I also have faith that others can do the same. Go ahead and go to space, Bezos. Write if you find any of those green babes!

aka.attrition
aka.attrition
July 22, 2019 10:21 am

I have another question I am genuinely interested to get an idea about. I’ll pose it as a choice between 2 answers:

Click the thumbs up if you believe landing on the moon is feasible given sufficient technology and funding (never-mind if you believe we have the tech now or not).

Click the thumbs down if you believe we cannot land on the moon at all. For example, because the moon is a 2D disk as per Owen Benjamin’s belief or because the physical hurdles cannot be overcome at all etc.

Stucky
Stucky
  aka.attrition
July 22, 2019 11:22 am

Click Up if you think Hardscrabble Farmer inhaled too many cow farts.

Click Down if you think the moon is made of cheese.

splurge
splurge
  Stucky
July 22, 2019 11:35 am

Maybe cheese farts?

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 22, 2019 10:26 am

If moon rock samples returned to Earth by the Apollo missions contained gold nuggets, I am confident there would be settlements on the moon by now.

Stucky
Stucky
July 22, 2019 11:05 am

“So here’s the question; why are all these billionaires so gosh darn interested in doing something even the greatest empire on Earth can’t quite figure out?”

I think they do it just to piss off people like you.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Stucky
July 22, 2019 12:17 pm

It doesn’t piss me off at all, I find it extremely funny.

There are different layers of humanity and the top layer always, always plays the bottom. It’s why they reach the top layer, they have no limits to what they are willing to do in order to reach and maintain that level of control whether it be bribery, blackmail, forgery, fraud, mass murder or torture- those things are just tools to the end. The rest of humanity cannot fathom that level of sociopathy and so are completely unable to even begin to unwind the rats nest of criminality on a global scale that has them completely ensnared.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 22, 2019 5:08 pm

Oh we can comprehend just fine.

BL
BL
  Hollywood Rob
July 22, 2019 5:40 pm

I understand 110%.

M G
M G
  BL
July 23, 2019 11:33 am

and then some…

Vodka
Vodka
July 22, 2019 12:00 pm

The universal fact about all moon landing deniers is that they always consider themselves to be the smartest person in the room. The best response is to just let them continue to believe they are the smartest person in the room. It’s more cruel than any other thing you could do to them.

BL
BL
  Vodka
July 22, 2019 2:59 pm

Vodka- I offered RiNS the chance to provide proof that we have at any time left low orbit into deep space, maybe you being ever so smug and smart would like to try…….. and remember no CGI film or pictures.

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 3:18 pm

Thanks but no thanks
Didn’t ask for offer
See the goal
was just to mock you
These motives
were none other
But if you insist
Bea you go first .
and remember
no CGI, film
or pictures.
have some other
Throwing ya bone
Cuz yer “special”
So Get yer Book
Talk shit
Read that script
From Acts
Or Genesis
Or Revelation
For Proof is Found
don’t ya know!
In THAT BOOK
that talks of
The Firmament
Your Lawrd
Your Saviour
and Father

Just omit
That Jesus was a twit
who died on a cross
failed to launch
and wuz a failure

BL
BL
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 3:58 pm

BB and HSF are the flat Earthers, I never said Yea or Nay. one way or the other.

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Never said yea or Nay? wow

sez a lot!

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  BL
July 22, 2019 5:26 pm

OK Bea, how about this. Let’s say that I pick you to shoot to the moon. And since you really don’t know anything about navigation or space flight I will have to send a few other people to ensure that you indeed do come back alive. So, let’s say that you come back alive. You sat in the tin box. You saw the earth grow smaller out the window, and you landed on the moon and walked on the moon. You smelled the air in the capsule from the moon rocks that you yourself picked up and when you got back to earth, after the parade of course, you headed to Newbury and after a lovely afternoon on the beach noticing the curvature of the surface of Lake Sunapee, you walk up the driveway of HSF’s lovely farmhouse and you knock on the door. He answers, standing predominately on one leg because the other is still a bit sore, and you hand him a rock from the moon. You know it’s from the moon. You picked it up on the moon. You tell him that the moon is indeed reachable because you went there. You tell him that you saw with your own eyes that the earth is a lovely blue sphere floating in a jet black void with uncountable stars shining for as far as the eye can see. He thanks you for the rock and tosses it out onto the driveway. He knows that you are lying. He can’t believe you because he knows that it can’t be true. You know that it is true. You lived it. You got the parade, but he didn’t get the parade. Hell, he doesn’t even believe that the parade was real because why would you get a parade if you didn’t really go to the moon…and clearly you didn’t.

The point of this little story is that short of sending every one of you unbelievers, you infidels, to the moon and bringing you back again there is no way to prove to you, in your disbelief, that it really happened. Here let me show you some rocks. Those rocks didn’t come from the moon. Let me show you the pictures that I took. Those pictures were not taken on the moon. Here is my dirty space suit with moon dust on it. That dust came from Palmdale and your suit couldn’t have protected you against whatever it is that is in space. It couldn’t have withstood the pressure even though you don’t know what pressure is, let alone what is required to withstand it. There is no proof for you because you are a believer and belief trumps truth every time. There is no proof. You have seen all the proof and discarded it. Because you are a believer.

So stop asking for proof. There is no proof for you.

Stucky
Stucky
  Hollywood Rob
July 22, 2019 5:36 pm

Absolutely fabulous response!! A wonderful description of how faith works.

+10000000

55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
  Stucky
July 22, 2019 10:17 pm

Indeed, HR is quite familiar with madness; we have been unable to prove to HR that EC is not Maggie despite all the pics and diverging personal stories.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob

OK beaner, prove that you are not maggie. All I ask for is some proof. But you have never provided even one piece of proof. In fact, you yourself stated categorically that you create these characters as practice. Practice for what? You won’t say.

If you can present no proof, then we are left with only one conclusion. You have no proof to present.

Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  Hollywood Rob
July 23, 2019 10:07 am

I can present no proof that will satisfy your stupid stubbornness. You won’t even accept Admin’s sworn testimony.

Please tell me where I said that I create characters as practice. Practice for what? I have no plan to write anything other than a comment here and I don’t need to practice for that.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Street Shitter
July 23, 2019 11:37 am

You’re such fun beaner baby. You can be walked into a corner with almost no effort. And then you get all blustery and revert to old tropes. And let’s face it, the only thing that any of us know about you is that you won’t reveal who you really are. Well, that and how you can offer no proof that you are not maggie.

BL
BL
July 22, 2019 12:16 pm

Possible reasons for continuing the charade of moon landings:

1. NASA is a black hole where money disappears decade after decade.
2. Space travel must be possible for the alien invasion theatrical production that has been planned for almost a century. There has been 70 years of sheep programming, movies, print, tv to prepare them.
3. Great technological feats are part of the entertainment on the Entertainment Planet (even if it is smoke and mirrors or green screen).
4. Billionaires like Musk are created as a plausible reason to disappear yet more taxpayer/conjured money down a dark hole. Growing crystals in space should be good for BILLIONS of spiff money for the billionaire actor/pirate class. Look how much money from our treasury has already been siphoned off to TESLA/Musk.

*** It takes a great deal of money to change the scenery in the back of the theater to begin a New Age/production to keep us on the edge of our seats. They (TPTB- Script Writers) HAVE TO GIVE this dark money a reason to exist.

How are we going to make trips to Mars if we can’t remember how to travel back to the moon? Brilliant, conjured billionaire actors will figure it out. Riiiiight!

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 12:45 pm

MEH!

1- Governments don’t even bother with pretense when it comes to stealing money.. why pester themselves with conspiracies involving tens of thousands of Engineers and Technicians when they can just fucken take it without questions..

2 thru 4 no need to bother with response. Already been to kookooland. Just got a postcard from some still there.. Scary..
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not a great place

This place is better!

Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 2:46 pm

Cuculandia

Morongobill
Morongobill
  RiNS
July 23, 2019 9:19 am

Love Brendan Kavanaugh’s channel. Where’s middle C? Do you know the boogie woogie?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
July 22, 2019 1:59 pm

Gov pays scientists … welfare for “smart people” so they don’t get the idea to use their intelligence for other purposes …

RiNS
RiNS
  Anonymous
July 22, 2019 2:12 pm

so profound mouse!

RiNS
RiNS
July 22, 2019 12:52 pm
BL
BL
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 1:12 pm

Smerk if you will RiNSe, there are millions of jobs in government that could be eliminated. Launches from Florida go up then arc off……..every time. Do you have proof otherwise……no.
Launching satellites is not space travel RiNS.

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 1:20 pm

Don’t worry Bea!
Don’t care aboot jobs down in that swamp.
I am just laughing at you

arc off… oh Brother

Hold my Beer..
Nah on second thought
pass me another..

Hey they are planning to do it here as well…
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http://www.russianspaceweb.com/canso.html

It is gonna be awesome watching those things bouncing off the firmament..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q2aqNgNy_Q

Popcorn ready entertainment.. and I won’t even have to dodge Crocs and Alligators in Fla.
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Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  BL
July 22, 2019 3:07 pm

smirk

BL
BL
  Street Shitter
July 22, 2019 4:03 pm

EC- OK smirk……..whatever.

I think RiNSe the Space Cadet smerks…..JMO.

Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  BL
July 22, 2019 4:31 pm

Bea, you are on a self destruct course much like the one Hollywood Rob set out on when he tried to prove Maggie was a troll. He could have asked pertinent questions before embarking on a crusade. Even now, he still has not managed to walk back most of his idiotic accusations. His position (and yours) was not the predominant view and was the one that needed defending although he tried to put her on the defensive by insisting on proof.

RiNS
RiNS
  Street Shitter
July 22, 2019 4:34 pm

Smerk!
But still luv ya Bea!

BL
BL
  Street Shitter
July 22, 2019 5:34 pm

Thanks EC, I really needed that…..not. Whatever.

Would you like to offer a tidbit pertinent to the QOTD? Personally, I don’t give a SHIT about any of it.

Do I at least get a participation AWARD for trying to discuss the f’n topic??

55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
  BL
July 22, 2019 10:19 pm

Of course. Otherwise, why would I be reading your comments instead of skipping over them? It’s a wild possibility, just as fascinating as UFO’s.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  BL
July 22, 2019 5:32 pm

We are all smirking.

RiNS
RiNS
July 22, 2019 1:51 pm

Here is a special request
for a “special” bunch of guys..
HSF, Bea, 22Mag and of course,
my Lil’ Trucker Buddy
Beebs!

All Hail and now bow before
the forces for truth and Justice

No need for Introduction.
Ladies and Gents
They’re Heavy Duty
The now Glorious
They are the
Defenders of the faith!

BL
BL
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 2:33 pm

RiNS-Please provide proof that any space travel OUTSIDE of LOW ORBIT into deep space has occurred. This should be good and NO CGI film or pictures.

I’ll be waiting.

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 2:42 pm

I wuz hoping you’d ask!

Been a while since
I listened to this sonG
Best to listen Bea!
From beginning
to the very end
Cuz the message
It is the meaning
Just Amazing!
Don’t ya think!
Twin lead guitars
And one last thing!
you are not just okay..

YOU’RE THE BEST!

BL
BL
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 2:49 pm

See…… You have no proof that we ever accomplished more than LOW ORBIT space travel which means there was no moon landing other than that concocted by Hollywood/Film Industry.
If DC tries to screw Russia out of the European NG and oil market, they will spill the beans on this hoax. Meh, I hope they do so the sheep will finally understand these bastards lie to them.

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 2:52 pm

MEH!

Sometimes a song is just a song…
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Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 5:44 pm

Rob, do you have any proof that those people were playing that music? It could have been produced in a studio. Lots of music is produced in a studio, why not that music. And you have no proof that those people in that stadium were actually there. They could have been actors listening to completely different music. You never really get to see every one of them, one at a time. What if it was just 13 actors pretending to listen to music and they moved them around to make it look like a crowd. You can’t prove that that music actually happened, that those people actually played it, or that the stage was ever built, the lights hung, the speakers and amplifiers set up. None of it could possibly happened because there isn’t a single parking lot anywhere that could hold enough cars to bring all of those people to that alleged concert. I want proof. You have no proof. Nothing you say can convince me so show me proof.

By the way I appreciate your tenacity. If we can’t convince these people that man went to the moon then how are we going to convince the communists that they will be the first to be shoveled into the ditch after the glorious revolution.

RiNS
RiNS
  Hollywood Rob
July 22, 2019 6:45 pm

I luv the analogy Hollywood..
Hilarious!
Thanks for posting

RiNS
RiNS
July 22, 2019 2:56 pm
BL
BL
  RiNS
July 22, 2019 3:13 pm

Dear Space Cadet RiNS,
What is your point? What does bad music have to do with the QOTD topic?

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
July 22, 2019 3:39 pm

Trolling questions lead to Trolling answers

Just decided on the music..

The evidence can be found
If you look up at the Rainbows
Just beware the beast that wanders
From the book the words are spoken
Whispers of forgotten psalms

It’s the sign of the Southern Cross

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
July 22, 2019 3:42 pm

There is no market for any product built in space requiring very expensive delivery costs in both directions.

BL
BL
  Iconoclast421
July 22, 2019 4:17 pm

Icon421- Exactly!!

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  BL
July 22, 2019 5:47 pm

No rational person has made that claim. And by the way, you don’t actually know that do you? You don’t have even the slightest idea what products have been produced in low gravity environments. Do you?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Iconoclast421
July 22, 2019 4:40 pm

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Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 22, 2019 5:48 pm

Typical comedian bullshit. It wouldn’t be so bad if there weren’t so many malleable minds here who look up to you and you come up with this stuff. I said the flat-earth model was intriguing and wondered how it could be true; what the mechanics of it would look like. Ptolemy had his celestial bodies performing retrogressions to explain certain movements in the heavens that didn’t exactly conform to his geocentric model.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Street Shitter
July 22, 2019 6:05 pm

My mind is malleable too. Twas a time I believed all those things I doubt today

Billionaires do not stay billionaires by pissing away money.

They get and stay that way by taking it away from others.

What does it profiteth a man to reach the heavens if there is no one to buyeth what he sells nor any thing to taketh away from the heavens which he may selleth on his return?

No one is moving to space, we’re never going to colonize Mars, and robots are never going to be anything more than really, really expensive tools that require more human labor to create, build, program, maintain, and repair then before we had them. This is all a pipe dream being force fed by really sophisticated global gangs in order to victimize the rest of us forever. NASA is the Corleone family for nerds. Billionaires are super-nerds and they want what a taste of the cash cow.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 22, 2019 7:44 pm

No Marc. Tang is not made in a low gravity environment. It is made in New Jersey in a factory under full gravity. It was designed to give some flavor to the water that the astronauts drank on their trip to the moon.

55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
55 Chevy - Mexican by birth - American by coyote
  Hollywood Rob
July 22, 2019 10:22 pm

Why do you address HF as if you two are on a first name basis? Do you also call Trump Don?

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Hollywood Rob
July 23, 2019 3:44 am

I think everybody realized it was sarcasm.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Vixen Vic
July 23, 2019 9:43 am

Well, fair enough question so I will give you a fair enough answer. There are some people on TBP who have shared their real name. They are not afraid to reveal themselves. For Marc, this appears to be done for two main reasons. One is that he is justifiably proud of his writing and wants it to be under his real name. The other is that he is justifiably proud of his syrup and hopes that we will buy it. And we do. And to buy that syrup you have to send him a check and his name has to be on that check so he can cash it.

Doug too is justifiably proud of his writing and he too wants it to be under his real name. He discards the anonymity of the interwebs, casts off the mask of a pseudonym, and proudly displays his talent under his own name.

These are just two examples but they are the most important as they don’t seem to publish to a wider world on anything but their blog and TBP. When I comment to them, I use their name as a sign of respect. I do it because I appreciate what they do and I want them to know that I appreciate it man to man. My name to their name. If we disagree, that does not diminish my respect for them and it does not change my usage of their name because they offered it in trust and I accepted it in trust.

Jim is another name that is real. He posts under admin but we all know who he really is. There are others who stand with their true name, but most will never read my comments so I don’t even offer a name to PCR, John Stossel, Pat Bucannan, or any of the other folks who’s writings are placed onto the pages of TBP. It is not necessary as using their name does not honor them. They will likely never see it.

So, in the end I use their real names as a mark of respect. I am talking directly to them and so I use their real name if I know it. You know how this works, you have friends that you talk to in real life and you use their name when you address them. It is the same here.

Street Shitter
Street Shitter
  Hollywood Rob
July 23, 2019 10:15 am

What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So HF would, were he not HF call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title.

RiNS
RiNS
July 22, 2019 8:26 pm

A song aboot faith!

We’ve taken too much for granted
And all the time it had grown
From the techno seeds we first planted
Evolved a mind of its’ own

Marching in the streets
Dragging iron feet
Laser beaming hearts
Ripping men apart

From off I’ve seen my perfection
Where we could do as we please
In secrecy this infection
Was speeding like a disease

Hiding underground
Knowing we’d be found
Caring for our lives
Reaped by robots scythes

Metal Gods

Reaped by robots scythes
Machines are taking all over
With mankind in their command
In time they’d like to discover
How they can make their demand

Better be the slaves
To their wicked ways
But meeting with our death
Engulfed in molten breath

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  RiNS
July 23, 2019 2:54 pm

Or, perhaps this.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
July 23, 2019 3:09 am

It’s all a money pit paid to insiders. Notice the original “moon landings” stopped when the public lost interest. Just like a TV show people get tired of.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 23, 2019 8:50 am

The most useless weakest item we as a society put in outer space are astronauts . That’s right people require far to much to survive in space . NASA May have come up with some cool stuff but at what cost at riding the rocket ?
If a bunch of billionaires that have employees eligible for public assistance (welfare) Bezos in particular want to fund space exploration how about a space for a working person to piss and not get fired for lack of production!