This Won’t End Well

Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer

“One of the great discoveries of evolutionary biology is that the human species is not special or privileged in the grand scheme of things, and that humans have the same origins as all the other animals. This approach just takes the next step. It says that there is no such thing as “the human species” at all.”

Via The Conversation

What is a species? The most important concept in all of biology is a complete mystery

A koala bear isn’t actually a bear, it’s a marsupial. Whales aren’t fish, they’re mammals. Tomatoes aren’t vegetables, they’re fruit. Almost nothing is actually a nut. Peanuts, Brazil nuts, cashews, walnuts, pecans and almonds: none of them are really nuts (for the record, peanuts are legumes, Brazils and cashews are seeds, and the others are all drupes). Hazelnuts and chestnuts are the exception: they are the elite, the “true” nuts.

We’ve all heard facts like this before. But they are more than just ammunition for pub conversation. They reflect an area of science known as biological taxonomy, the classification of organisms into different groups. At the core of this area lies the notion of the species. The basic idea is very simple: that certain groups of organisms have a special connection to each other. There is something that you and I have in common – we are both human beings. That is, we are members of the same species.

Biological taxonomy’s core aim is to sort all of the organisms of the world into species. Of course, this job really matters, both inside biology and out. The task of evolutionary biology is to track the evolution and development (and eventual extinction) of species. Outside of biology, conservation programmes routinely put various species on “endangered” lists, and urge us to donate money to stop them dying out. In order for any of this to make sense, we need to know how many species there are, and what a species even is.

Darwin s finches by Gould, 1845. Wikimedia Commons

So, what even is a species? The truth is, we don’t really have any idea.

What is a species?

The most famous definition of a species comes from the 20th century German-born biologist Ernst Mayr, who emphasised the importance of interbreeding. The idea (roughly) is that two organisms are of the same species if they can breed with one another to produce fertile offspring. That is why a donkey and a horse aren’t the same species: they can breed and produce offspring, but not fertile offspring.

Mayr’s way of thinking about species has some amazing consequences. Recently, due to rising temperatures in the Arctic, polar bears and grizzly bears have been coming into increased contact, and have been producing fertile offspring. The offspring are (adorably) called grolar or pizzly bears. What this suggests is that polars and grizzlies may actually be the same species after all, despite radical differences in size, appearance, hibernation behaviours, diet and so on.

But it wasn’t long before the problems with Mayr’s approach became apparent. The definition makes use of the notion of interbreeding. This is all very well with horses and polar bears, but smaller organisms like bacteria do not interbreed at all. They reproduce entirely asexually, by simply splitting in two. So this definition of species can’t really apply to bacteria. Perhaps when we started thinking about species in terms of interbreeding, we were all just a bit too obsessed with sex.

Ernst Haeckel’s (1866) conception of the three kingdoms of life. Wikimedia Commons

So maybe we should forget about sex and look for a different approach to species. In the 1960s, another German biologist, Willi Hennig, suggested thinking about species in terms of their ancestry. In simple terms, he suggested that we should find an organism, and then group it together with its children, and its children’s children, and its children’s children’s children. Eventually, you will have the original organism (the ancestor) and all of its descendents. These groups are called clades. Hennig’s insight was to suggest that this is how we should be thinking about species.

But this approach faces its own problems. How far back should you go before you pick the ancestor in question? If you go back in history far enough, you’ll find that pretty much every animal on the planet shares an ancestor. But surely we don’t want to say that every single animal in the world, from the humble sea slug, to top-of-the-range apes like human beings, are all one big single species?

Enough of species?

This is only the tip of a deep and confusing iceberg. There is absolutely no agreement among biologists about how we should understand the species. One 2006 article on the subject listed 26 separate definitions of species, all with their advocates and detractors. Even this list is incomplete.

The mystery surrounding species is well-known in biology, and commonly referred to as “the species problem”. Frustration with the idea of a species goes back at least as far as Darwin. In an 1856 letter to his friend Joseph Hooker, he wrote:

It is really laughable to see what different ideas are prominent in various naturalists’ minds, when they speak of ‘species’; in some, resemblance is everything and descent of little weight — in some, resemblance seems to go for nothing, and Creation the reigning idea — in some, sterility an unfailing test, with others it is not worth a farthing. It all comes, I believe, from trying to define the indefinable.

Darwin even dreamt of a time when a revolution would come about in biology. He proposed that one day, biologists could pursue their studies without ever worrying about what a species is, or which animals belong to which species. Indeed, some contemporary biologists and philosophers of biology have taken up this idea, and suggested that biology would be much better off if it didn’t think about life in terms of species at all.

Scrapping the idea of a species is an extreme idea: it implies that pretty much all of biology, from Aristotle right up to the modern age, has been thinking about life in completely the wrong way. The upshots of this new approach would be enormous, both for our scientific and philosophical view of life. It suggests that we should give up thinking about life as neatly segmented into discrete groups. Rather, we should think of life as one immense interconnected web. This shift in thinking would fundamentally reorient our approach to a great many questions concerning our relation to the natural world, from the current biodiversity crisis to conservation.

And, in a way, this kind of picture may be a natural progression in biological thought. One of the great discoveries of evolutionary biology is that the human species is not special or privileged in the grand scheme of things, and that humans have the same origins as all the other animals. This approach just takes the next step. It says that there is no such thing as “the human species” at all.

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M G
M G
July 24, 2019 7:02 am

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-88343-9_3

See? Even a “hard” science like Biology is open to interpretation and restructure.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  M G
July 24, 2019 9:25 am

maggie, while I appreciate your effort and agree with your conclusion that intersectionalists are invading the academy in the hard sciences, this particular article appears to be more about applying mathematical models to biological evaluations. This is likely to be an actual article about how mathematics can be used in modeling evolution, not an attack on the foundations of hard science like the one that Marc presents. We, of course, can never know because springer is a pay wall for technical papers. We can’t read the article without dropping some cash.

M G
M G
  Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 10:22 am

Why don’t you continue to fellate yourself privately, outside my comments. Faggot.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  M G
July 24, 2019 11:07 am

Stunning, what a take down.
in a word, Epic.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Anonymous
July 24, 2019 11:58 am

Maggie, you are truly a disgusting person. No, I take that back. There is no reason to assume that you are human at all. I offer some well-intentioned insight into your comment and you respond with foul language and personal slights. It really is quite a shame that you have managed to figure out how to spew your bile beyond the confines of your awful hovel in that backwater which is actually a perfect place for you to stew in your hatred. You are our albatross, the cross that we all must bear.

And still, the paper that you quote is not about the topic to hand. Your potty mouth won’t change that in the slightest.

Elastic Commensal
Elastic Commensal
  Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 12:54 pm

You are our albatross, the cross that we all must bear. – Hollywood Rob

That’s what they told the Indians; you’re lucky to be here. – Doc Pangloss

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Elastic Commensal
July 24, 2019 2:42 pm

As if you could do anything about it. But do go on beaner baby.

M G
M G
  Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 9:22 pm

You are a self-fellating faggot.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  M G
July 24, 2019 9:38 pm

How elegant. You are truly a fine representative of all that is so great about our flyover states.

M G
M G
  M G
July 24, 2019 10:18 am

The main reason I bring up the academic research regarding biology and mathematics is this: Biology follows mathematic structure in many ways, with the DNA strands and RNA strands following strict bonding rules, much like the pairings and computations performed on variables in mathematic equations. However, the hard scientists have come upon a real problem in their precise calculations. Environment and culture.

The role of environment upon any and all types of DNA is undeniable. The reason this comes into play regarding HSF’s thesis is this: Environmental influence can never be completely ignored as a “cause” of a genetic trait. There are just too many things we do not understand about genetic traits and what causes expression of those traits.

So, mankind embarks upon a kind of Island of Dr. Moreau experiment, turning men into women, women into monstrosities and children into sexual objects. It only makes sense if you can consider the human specimens under examination to be objects of study, containing only information and no soul.

(Grouping x, y, and z for simplification is not completely unlike decoding segments of DNA or RNA called “Codons” and sorting them into the appropriate column.)

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Because even the Hard Sciences admit they can’t always account for Habitat or Environment.

Which is why Social Scientists declare their theories and methods are just as valid as the Biologist’s. They claim THEY (social scientists) can control the environment and they declare things to be statistically true, within the allowable margin of error.

Dan
Dan
  M G
July 24, 2019 10:31 am

Most scientists outside of biology won’t consider it a hard science, bc there is far too much wish washy nonsense involved, especially evolution…. too much invocation of the “millions and millions of years” appeal, etc. That why evolution can’t be reliably modeled… too many variables and frankly, I don’t think we have a clue outside the Watch’s of DNA to even k ow what’s going on with life.

M G
M G
  Dan
July 24, 2019 9:11 pm

What is amazing, though, is that the scientists were splicing and dicing the DNA even before the sequences were all decoded and archived.

I believe they were running the first experiements on the Dolly the Sheep clones by then (1997 is when I was in Biology lecture hall!)

One day during class someone asked the professor what his thoughts were on the ethics of cloning.

I remember the man seeming almost in dismay, as if the question made no sense. He said “As a scientist, I just want to know if it is possible, and if possible, what use it might have. It is for someone else to tell me if it is okay to try.”

I don’t know if I agree with his premise, but I see what he means. I imagine, ultimately, the person who informs him it is is “okay” is the person who pays the bills.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  M G
July 24, 2019 12:05 pm

No, none of what you say is true. You are conflating real science with religious dogma and psychology. And clearly you don’t understand the things that you post as you have misinterpreted almost all of it. Since you don’t understand science, you certainly can’t support your contention that social scientists control environments, let alone understand what an allowable margin of error might be for such a control. I personally would rather suggest that social scientists are communists working diligently to destroy western culture through the educational system just as they have destroyed the humanities. Why wouldn’t they? It worked for them in step one, why not step two?

22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
  Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 4:49 pm

Lots of conflating going on everywhere lately.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 24, 2019 8:09 am

Another thought provoking article, kudos HSF.

“we should think of life as one immense interconnected web” This is the truth, even you dog know what you are thinking.

“we should give up thinking about life as neatly segmented into discrete groups”
This is human nature, it starts when you learn language, and say “what is that?” and it never ends, people make professions out of inventing names for things that don’t exist, I give you the foremost example:
psychiatry, a professions of putting labels on feelings, for profit.

Sorry if I offended any psychiatrists out there,…
and how does that make you feel?

TC
TC
July 24, 2019 8:45 am

Right, the only thing missing from this article is that we should import all the sub-Saharan Africans we can since we are all the same.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  TC
July 24, 2019 8:55 am

That has been the subtext of human sciences for the last half century. No dissent allowed.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 9:17 am

This is simply an article by a communist trying to convince you that everything is a construct. This is exactly the thinking that has destroyed the humanities at all universities. It is the same argument applied to biology. Next they will attempt to apply it to engineering. Then to physics. And then they will have destroyed any ability of anyone to think at all. Nothing will be real. It will all be a construct of our mind. At that point, they will tell you that you are not in a work camp. They will tell you that you are eating steak, not ground up humans that died yesterday in the work camp.

I will admit that there are likely plenty of professors of the humanities that have bought this line of reasoning. They teach it in their classes and their students don’t have any way of refuting these ideas, so they buy it too. But there are plenty of real people who do real things who know that there is a reality out there and that you have to deal with that reality or you will suffer. It matters little to you if you are eaten by a polar bear, a grizzly bear, or a grolar bear, by the way, that isn’t even a word yet to spellcheck.

But why is this so confusing? We all know that any dog can breed with any other dog. It doesn’t matter whether they are all white and prefer snow or have short black hair an prefer warmer climes. They can interbreed because they are all dogs. A species, that can breed successfully and produce fertile offspring.

This article is just an intersectionalist “philosophers” attempt at confusing the academy. Embrace the soy. Here is the author of this screed, from a “philosopher” no less. He understands less about biology than he does philosophy. To him, everything is a construct.

https://theconversation.com/profiles/henry-taylor-530589

Dan
Dan
  Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 10:57 am

Well said!!

mark branham
mark branham
July 24, 2019 9:38 am

Everyone must reject the hypothesis.

In the beginning, God created evolution. Everything that ever was, was just a link in the chain to eventuate humans. Humans are the only species with the ability to know God. The only species that survives death. In fact, the only reason for the observable universe is to procreate humans, of which, there are trillions of planets where humans exist… and I’d be surprised to know that any have visited ours in human form… other forms, of course.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  mark branham
July 24, 2019 10:04 am

No true. All dogs go to heave too. They made a movie about just that.

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BB
BB
  Hollywood Rob
July 24, 2019 11:59 am

Meatballs , is on a roll today !!!

What’s that saying ?? If it looks like a duck ,walks like a duck ,talks like a duck it’s a ?. … Anyway time for me to drive for a while. I hope everyone has a great day. God bless.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  mark branham
July 24, 2019 6:11 pm

Jesus said all things are possible with God. This leads me to believe animals and humans have their own distinct souls and places, along with their own unique perception of the same, but they can cross and intermix within the spiritual realms just as they did on Earth in physical form.
“In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” John 14:2
I will see my relatives dead and gone, but living in another form. I will also see my beloved pets – if they decide to show up. You know what I mean if you’ve ever lived with cats. LMAO

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  e.d. ott
July 25, 2019 10:02 am

I see someone hates cats and doesn’t have the balls to refute a comment, but has the time for a down vote.
Puny.

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman
July 24, 2019 12:08 pm

Interesting post. Thanks.

AC
AC
July 24, 2019 12:33 pm

The horse and the donkey have common ancestors. At some point, they could successfully interbreed – then this changed at some point, likely as the result of extended isolation.

What we are seeing with the Polar Bears and Grizzly bears is speciation in action – two subspecies, with wildly differing lifestyles and behaviors: one species becoming two species. Given time, and breeding isolation, they will probably eventually become incapable of interbreeding.

Huh.
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Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  AC
July 24, 2019 12:41 pm

Yes AC. I think that Marc is trying to point out the conflict between intersectionality and hard science. He is personally aware of how it all works as he deals with it every day on his farm. The philosopher who wrote this article is apparently unaware that whales are mammals. That doesn’t speak well to his abilities to actually do philosophy now does it?

22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
July 24, 2019 12:41 pm

I don’t know which has been more blatantly hijacked and corrupted.

Science or Art.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor

I’ll vote for science. Art is subjective.

splurge
splurge
  grace country pastor
July 24, 2019 2:29 pm

Is it?Or did they corrupt art and it’s symbolisms and understanding of beauty first, and now they are coming for the evidence based “hard sciences”.

22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
  splurge
July 24, 2019 4:48 pm

Science isn’t subjective today?

It certainly isn’t objective.

ABSOLUTE MUST READ: http://mileswmathis.com/mofo.pdf

SeeBee
SeeBee
July 24, 2019 9:06 pm

Do not Consciousness + Free Will separate Man from other Animal Forms?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  SeeBee
July 24, 2019 9:18 pm

And they would respond with, “But do we have free will?” and “Are not all living things conscious in their own way?”

You can’t win this with logic and reason, we’re talking True Believers.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  Hardscrabble Farmer
July 24, 2019 10:14 pm

I will agree, they are breeding the free will out of us.

8ntractor
8ntractor
  SeeBee
July 24, 2019 10:03 pm

If you spend time really spend time with animals I think you may find that they have both consciousness and free will. As much as we do anyway. We have had many animals over the years including at one point we fostered Raccoons. I would certainly say that compared to many people I have know they have more free will and intelligence and consciousness.

8ntractor
8ntractor
July 24, 2019 9:50 pm

Great article everything is certainly connected. At some point we will realize that the least of life may be fundamental to the existence of the rest of us.

I have to thank you HSF – I have read the omnivores dilemma and knew that grocery store meat and produce was not humane or helping the planet or our health. But your couple of articles on raising cattle in a humane way and the story about feed lots made us take the plunge. It took some time and some work but we have found local farmers and ranchers that grow and sell grass fed beef, organic produce beyond what we can grow at home We live on the ocean so fresh fish can be found locally. We now buy our meat, fish, eggs, milk and produce all from local people. The cost is a little more but the quality is so much better. there is just no comparison between grass fed and corn fed beef. so thank you for that.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  8ntractor
July 25, 2019 3:46 am

I’m going to bet that only humans go organic and grass-fed.

The ultimate question is “What is it that is conscious and knows it is conscious?” from Harold Percival

M G
M G
  bigfoot
July 25, 2019 5:38 am

It is not a What but a When…. the Singularity!

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  8ntractor
July 25, 2019 6:02 am

That makes the effort worth it. Thank you for going out of your way to support local farmers. And not only does the meat have a much more satisfying dimension to it as far as flavor and digestibility, but you know you’re helping improve the soil on that farm which improves the local watershed. And yes, all animals have a degree of sentience, its why we relate to one another the way we do.