Civil War On

Guest Post by Jim Kunstler

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Someone in Impeachmentville is not paying attention. Of course, diverting the rubes is exactly the point of the latest CIA operation to negate the 2016 election. Has nobody noticed that there is treaty between Ukraine and the USA, signed at Kiev in 1998 and ratified by the US Senate in 2000. It’s an agreement on “Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters.” Here, read the cover letter for yourself:

What part of the following do Nancy Pelosi and the news media not understand?

The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state… ([etc].

How does this not permit Mr. Trump asking the president of Ukraine for “assistance” in criminal matters arising out of “collusion with Russia,” as specified within the scope of Robert Mueller’s special prosecutor activities? For instance, the matter of CrowdStrike. The cybersecurity firm was co-founded by Russian ex-pat Dmitri Alperovitch, who also happens to be a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, an anti-Russian think tank funded by Ukrainian billionaire, Viktor Pinchuk, who donated at least $25 million to the Clinton Foundation before the 2016 election. Crowdstrike was the company that “examined” the supposedly hacked DNC servers, while somebody in the Obama administration prevented the FBI from ever seeing them. Does this sound a little like part of the origin story of RussiaGate? Is that not exactly the potential criminal matter that the current attorney general, Mr. Barr, is officially investigating?

Perhaps, under the year 2000 treaty, Mr. Trump was within his rights to ask the new President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, for assistance on that. And also, the question of former vice-president Joe Biden’s levering US aid to Ukraine in his demand to fire the prosecutor investigating the company, Burisma Holdings, that just happened to hire his son, Hunter, to a $64,000-a-month seat on the board of directors, not long after the younger Mr. Biden was kicked out of the US Navy reserve for cocaine use — what a sterling fellow!

The foregoing ought to be self-evident. Speaking of failures to pay attention, Director of National Security (DNI) Joseph McGuire testified in Rep. Adam Schiff’s House Intel Committee last Thursday that the “Whistleblower” and his or her allies in the Intelligence Community who fomented the latest crisis “acted in good faith.” Admiral McGuire omitted to mention that the IC’s Whistleblower complaint rules were surreptitiously changed sometime around August 2019 to allow second-hand hearsay in Urgent Matter” complaints, where formerly it had been prohibited. The change was only posted on an IC website on Sept 24. Did Admiral McGuire not get the memo on that? Was he out of the loop? After all, he is merely in charge of the entirety of US Intelligence operations. Who kept him in the dark?

Now there is yet another new “bombshell” out of the CBS 60-Minutes show (reported by Scott Pelley) alleging that the “Whistleblower” had been placed under federal protection due to “threats” made against him or her. We’re to infer that the “Whistleblower” is in a safe space— perhaps hiding out in the CIA’s Diversity and Inclusion offices, with some teddy bears, crayons, and chips ahoy to keep the heebie-jeebies away. Only, one of the “Whistleblower’s” own lawyers, Mark S. Zaid released a letter today saying that the 60-Minutes report was “not accurate and misinterpreted the contents of our [earlier] letter.” Mr. Zaid added in a tweet that CBS was “literally making stuff up.”

Well, let CBS and the “Whistleblower’s” pro bono lawyers slug that one out in some safe space. More to the point, how long do you suppose the charade of protecting the “Whistleblower’s” identity will go on? If impeachment moves to a trial in the senate, Mr. Trump will enjoy the right of being faced by his accuser. But I don’t think we will have to wait that long. Rep. Schiff (D-CA) has already declared that this person will be called into a closed session of his committee. The chance is about zero that his or her identify will remain unknown. By and by, the “whistleblower’s” confederates in the CIA will also become known and the perfidy of this latest CIA operation in the ongoing coup will be understood.

UkraineGate is the equivalent of Fort Sumter in Civil War 2.0. Charges have been flying and tempers flaring for three years now, much as they did between 1858 and 1861. Once again, what seems to be at stake is the integrity of the Union. As in the previous enactment, one side is dangerously deluded, and that is liable to lead to its destruction.

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Dutchman
Dutchman
September 30, 2019 10:52 am

I hope this lights the ‘fuse’. They want to un-do the election. I believe Hillary may be pulling strings, long after we thought she was gone.

My boy mayor – Jacob Fry, of Minneapolis, said he wish Trump would not visit later this week. What a complete idiot. These progressives never stop running their mouths. He’s the POTUS. Get it Jacob? Talk about shutting down dialog.

bob
bob
  Dutchman
September 30, 2019 4:05 pm

Jacob Fry is a Justin Trudope wannabe. I can’t stand him.

SteveO
SteveO
  Dutchman
September 30, 2019 10:32 pm

Maybe they want to undo the election, but their primary concern is with USSC and Ginsburg’s seat up for grabs likely before next summer, you know they are going to scorch the earth to prevent orange man bad from nominating and seating the seat that will determine the direction of FUSA.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
September 30, 2019 10:57 am

So I was reading up on Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution, seems there are some parallels here. Scott Pelley lied about the witness protection as per the whistleblower lawyers. It’s gotten to the point where I don’t believe squat coming from the media, especially when it’s first mentioned because the odds are there’s going to be a redaction or counter statement made refuting the original statement.

Back to Lenin:

“As far back as 1919, Soviet parlance distinguished between purely formal law and what was called “the material determination of the crime.” A crime was not an action or omission specified in the formal code, because every “socially dangerous” act (or omission) was automatically criminal. Article 1 of the Civil Code of October 31, 1922 laid down that civil rights “are protected by the law unless they are exercised in contradiction to their social and economic purposes.” Like the “material” definition of crime, the concept of “purposefulness” (tselesoobraznost’) created a system of Thelemite rights: the state was absolutely prohibited from interfering with your rights unless it wanted to.”

The democrats adhere to no law except that which benefits their goals. Kunstler brings out the Ukraine- US mutual criminal assistance letter as if the democrats are going to acknowledge such a thing? Additionally, democrats constantly make blanket statements about Trump’s criminality without citing one specific instance of same. He’s a racist, misogynist, criminal, hater, nazi and whatever else they can come up with to blacken his name and all the accusations have no basis in any facts that they won’t bother to present because there are none.

More Lenin:
In Lenin’s view, a true revolutionary did not establish the correctness of his beliefs by appealing to evidence or logic, as if there were some standards of truthfulness above social classes. Rather, one engaged in “blackening an opponent’s mug so well it takes him ages to get it clean again.” Nikolay Valentinov, a Bolshevik who knew Lenin well before becoming disillusioned, reports him saying: “There is only one answer to revisionism: smash its face in!”

and…

“…Lenin… replied frankly that his purpose was not to convince but to destroy his opponent. In work after work, Lenin does not offer arguments refuting other Social Democrats but brands them as “renegades” from Marxism. Marxists who disagreed with his naïve epistemology were “philosophic scum.” Object to his brutality and your arguments are “moralizing vomit.” You can see traces of this approach in the advice of Saul Alinsky—who cites Lenin—to “pick the target, freeze it, personalize it.”

and……

“Marxism is a monolithic conception of the world, it does not tolerate dilution and vulgarization by means of various insertions and additions. Plekhanov once said to me about a critic of Marxism . . . : “First, let’s stick the convict’s badge on him, and then after that we’ll examine his case.” And I think we must stick the “convict’s badge” on anyone and everyone who tries to undermine Marxism, even if we don’t go on to examine his case. That’s how every sound revolutionary should react.”

The democrats have embraced Marxism and all that they do they do by following not only Alinsky’S Rules for Radicals, but also Lenin’s rules for destroying any and everyone who is not of the party.

https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/10/leninthink

AC
AC
  Mygirl...maybe
September 30, 2019 2:01 pm

(((Kritarchy)))

Chronicles of the Kritarchy

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Mygirl...maybe
September 30, 2019 3:28 pm

“All men will be judged politically.”-Boris Pasternak

22winmag w/o tagline
22winmag w/o tagline
September 30, 2019 11:09 am

“As in the previous enactment, one side is dangerously deluded, and that is liable to lead to its destruction.”

There are no sides in Kabuki Theater.

Everyone is on one side (the side of their wealthy masters) even if they occasionally pretend to oppose and fight each other.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  22winmag w/o tagline
September 30, 2019 11:23 am

I really feel bad for you. When the jackbooted thugs are beating the shit out of you and sending you to the reeducation/extermination camp it may down on you (but I doubt it), that in fact, revolutionaries have no masters but themselves. There is a myriad of factions and crabs in a bucket is a better analogy than your portrayal of a well oiled omnipotent machine of hidden “masters”…..some crabs eventually dominate all the other crabs but there are lots of body parts strewn around and most crabs are suffocated in the process. We are seeing the emergence of a communist revolution and yes Russia 1917 is a good model as is the French Revolution. Chaos, death, and destruction await not a wizard behind the scenes…..Reality is messy and while it may provide psychic comfort to that be constantly proclaiming you understand how things work….you have no idea.

Revolution take on logic and character of their own…..usually eating their own…just ask Danton or the Mensheviks. Extremism is built into the process…..he that is the most extreme, most violent, most ruthless (Bolsheviks) wins.

Sure there are elites nudging and financing behind the scenes…..and they will be defenestrated in due course…..Kulaks never win, the nobility is always murdered as a threat and darkness descend until it has been exhausted or defeated.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 11:53 am

Nailed it. This whole thing is grade A fugly.

M G
M G
  Francis Marion
September 30, 2019 12:00 pm

!

Ginger
Ginger
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 2:19 pm

” Chaos, death, and destruction await not a wizard behind the scenes…..Reality is messy and while it may provide psychic comfort to that be constantly proclaiming you understand how things work….you have no idea.”
No truer words spoken.

BL
BL
  22winmag w/o tagline
September 30, 2019 11:51 am

“There are no sides in Kabuki Theater.______________22winmag

True, very true but your words of wisdom are lost on the Bolshies who fan the flames and play both sides of the divide and conquer……doth that contradict? You tell me.

Now stop being so stubborn 22 and play along, they don’t have all century to get this CW off the ground.

splurge
splurge
  BL
October 1, 2019 5:53 pm

There are more than two sides of the divide and there are multiple divides.

Cleveland Rocks
Cleveland Rocks
September 30, 2019 11:53 am

In my lifetime two successful coups, and (so far), one attempted coup by “our” intelligence community.

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
September 30, 2019 12:06 pm

My hope is that impeachment is successful and Trump is removed from office.

Of course, I don’t think the impeachment is just, but removing a President from office for a heaping, steaming pile of political bullshit, will be so much more effective a trigger for civil war than Trump losing an election that is muddied with fraud.

Let the games begin.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
September 30, 2019 12:07 pm

Trump warns of treason, civil war; GOP congressman outraged

https://apnews.com/f7ba2667deda489ea7eb3e173944e734

Cleveland Rocks
Cleveland Rocks
  Vote Harder
September 30, 2019 1:27 pm

You did see that this was an AP article. Legacy, deep state, fake, low information swamp source.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Cleveland Rocks
September 30, 2019 2:04 pm

I didn’t say the article was true or false but since you say it is then Show the parts of the article that are deep state, fake, or low information.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Vote Harder
September 30, 2019 3:36 pm

It’s about Kinzinger. Phony ass fence sitter RINO. My congressman. I know him personally. He sat on the fence when McCain and RINO Ryan tried to bring him into the Uniparty coup and he’ll sit on the fence no matter what happens always saying shit like “well if that’s true it is XY&Z. Or Well, if that is NOT true, it is XY&Z.” Nothing but an establishment quote robot. He was elected as a Tea Party guy which is where I first met him and as soon as he hit DC he dove head first into the bosom of the Uniparty.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Harrington Richardson
September 30, 2019 4:22 pm

did you not read the article at all?

Trump tweeted a comment from the Rev. Robert Jeffress, pastor of the Southern Baptist megachurch First Baptist Dallas.

Trump tweeted a conservative pastor’s comment that removing him would provoke a “civil war-like fracture” in America.

“If the Democrats are successful in removing the president from office, it will cause a civil war-like fracture in this nation from which our country will never heal,” Jeffress said on Sunday on Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends Weekend,” which Trump posted a few hours later.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Vote Harder
September 30, 2019 4:51 pm

Of course I read the article. A couple of days ago. It was linked on the once upon a time interesting Drudge Report. I agree with the good Reverend. Removing a President using fraud and lies in place of evidence might cause a civil war in a lot of places. War or not it would destroy all faith in all institutions right and left and in between. Limp dick fence sitter congressmen making comments to order, in the flavor of the day sure don’t help either.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Harrington Richardson
September 30, 2019 5:24 pm

Do you see why I posted the AP link yet?

Here, I’ll break it down easy for you and CR. The pastor made a comment about civil war and Trump obviously agreed with the comment so he reiterated it in a Tweet. Trump agrees with the pastor, this article on TBP agrees with Trump and the pastor, therefore the AP article agrees with this article because both articles are saying the same thing, not different. That’s why I posted the AP article, because it agrees with this article as well as Trump, the pastor, and even you.

So how could CR say the article is “Legacy, deep state, fake, low information swamp source.” When it clearly is saying the same thing as this article only with the mention of a political adversary, which is really a side issue but it’s the only thing you saw. You got to look harder.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Vote Harder
September 30, 2019 8:01 pm

The AP article touched on the same topics, however, said article in no ways did anything except bash Trump. It was blatantly biased.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Mygirl...maybe
September 30, 2019 8:46 pm

Quote from this TBP article:

UkraineGate is the equivalent of Fort Sumter in Civil War 2.0.

Civil War On

Quote from AP article:

Trump also suggested that any effort to oust him could lead to civil war,…..The president posted this comment from Rev. Robert Jeffress, pastor of the Southern Baptist megachurch First Baptist Dallas: “If the Democrats are successful in removing the president from office, it will cause a civil war like fracture in this nation from which our country will never heal.”

Trump and that pastor said civil war was possibly imminent, the article posted here on TBP by Jim Kunstler is saying the exact same thing as far as “civil war” being possible.

Civil War On

Of course there are minor differences, but they are the same in the message that “civil war” is probable or possible from the circumstances that are present. So AP is not 100% wrong in comparison to this article. They both are saying the same thing as far as the possibility of “civil war” is concerned, even out of the horses mouth, Trump himself.

You’re splitting hairs here.

Cleveland Rocks
Cleveland Rocks
  Vote Harder
October 1, 2019 7:16 pm

Rally not splitting hairs. The difference is intent. The Pastor and Trump are warning the deathocrats and fake media that actions have consequences. The fake media dude was trying to make Trump look like a dictator.

Cleveland Rocks
Cleveland Rocks
  Mygirl...maybe
October 1, 2019 7:07 pm

Exactly. Anti Trump, anti deplorable.

Cleveland Rocks
Cleveland Rocks
  Vote Harder
October 1, 2019 7:05 pm

Hack AP “journalist” finds a rino to criticize Trump. Sorry, that is the definition of fake news.

Otto Skorzeny
Otto Skorzeny
September 30, 2019 12:42 pm

Would be a very short civil war if it happened. At least it would clean up the lying MSM.

mark
mark
  Otto Skorzeny
September 30, 2019 3:00 pm

Otto,

All wars start out as short but most end up horrific, gory, slow-motion nightmares filled with death, destruction, and corpses of all ages everywhere.

Never undersetimate the human capability for all of the above especially with the Luciferians involved.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  mark
September 30, 2019 3:38 pm

It seems every single one was going to “be over by Christmas.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Otto Skorzeny
September 30, 2019 6:53 pm

Iraq was an short war, but winning the peace has been long and arduous.

mark
mark
  Anonymous
October 1, 2019 6:16 pm

Anonymous,

It wasn’t short for those killed and wounded or their families on both sides.

Iraq was just a Luciferian Bankster 911/FF power play. Another needless American War in a long list of deception, greed, lies, blood lust, and evil power being flexed while those at the top of one eyed pyramid rub their hands together with perverted glee.

I have a nephew who I love like a son, who I helped raise, who joined the Marines and served in Iraq as a Grunt as I was one in Nam. He told me I was his role model. I got sick in the pit of my stomach when he went to war. His father was a drunken/druggie no show who exploded his heart with coke.

I was terrified the entire time he was in harm’s way, as I knew my nephew’s life, his limbs, and his mind were on the line for nothing more than Game of Throne infighting among international Crime Families.

I spent his entire tour on my knees. He came home whole and was in only in minor combat – I was and remain grateful beyond words.

He has two beautiful daughters and a wonderful life – thank God – but the American blood and treasure in Iraq was another betrayal by all the usual demonic suspects.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
September 30, 2019 12:48 pm

There is no civil war in the offing. There is no interest in civil war, not the sort of war that means hot, dirty work killing people and breaking things. There is not going to be a war of that sort here in what used to be the United States. No one of any influence (on either “side” if you think that there are two “sides” to the theater we are watching) has any interest in disrupting the delicate social/economic machine that keeps them rich and air conditioned.

Go talk to some people who have actually been in wars. Wars like Korea. Read about the US Civil War, and see if you think anyone in the US is ready, willing, or able to wage that sort of war anywhere, let alone in Georgia or Texas, or Ohio. Not very likely.

So this is nothing but theatrics. You continue to buy the tickets, and the show continues. Maybe if all the working people stopped supporting the actors, the show (or script) would change, but probably not. There are not enough working people in the US anymore to dominate. You may as well kick back, pop the top on a cold beer, and enjoy the show. It is going to play whether you like it or not.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Brian Reilly
September 30, 2019 1:15 pm

It is not “theater”… the same point I was making to PopGun. You are comforting yourself with normalcy bias that nothing will happen because the elites like being rich and air-conditioned.

Well sure, that’s true until it is no longer true…..The Czar and his family were political prisoners for a while until the radical had consolidated their power and then they were summarily murdered.

Was the plan to murder them the plan from October 1917…no…it just was the logical extension of an ever radicalized revolution.

That’s the way these thing work…..sure there are elites who want to channel and control events for their own benefit and they are successful until they are not.

I am suggesting that we should start thinking about three-four steps down the path not just looking at events at face value that are occurring in real-time.

What do you think MBS in Saudi is thinking this morning after a devastating battlefield loss to the poorest Arabs in the ME? Thousands of Saudi soldiers dead or captured….hundreds of vehicles lost and dramatic proof that the Shia in the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia are active/destructive, the border is currently defenseless, the Houthis are winning and the very monarchy is at risk (sounds like 1917 to me).

Things change….we are seeing them change right before our eyes…..so the feel good BS about omnipotent elites (which I guess means you accept your comfortable servitude) is likely going to be shattered here in spectacular fashion…….2020, Genocide or Civil War…take your pick.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/three-saudi-brigades-reportedly-annihilated-devastating-houthi-offensive-saudi-arabia

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 1:40 pm

Martel’s, I did not imply or state that “nothing will happen”, only that a hot, taking-and-holding property by armed force in the face of organized, determined opposition (like a real civil war) is just not anywhere near even being on the horizon here in the used-to-be United States. Hell, we do not even make any credible attempt to repel unarmed women and children invaders at our established borders! We welcome them in, offer public support, and mandate that the natives change to suit and subsidize the invaders. Not making any of that up.

The elites (both parties, all the media, all the academics, all the bureaucrats, all the public employees) are the very people that are driving these changes. They are running the system and will run it until it just breaks down entirely. That will happen. And it will be a long time before it does happen. Th old USA is NOT Saudi Arabia. Those are stupid (congenitally) lazy goatfucks unwilling to wipe their own asses. The average American ain’t exactly Einstein or Thomas Edison, but please do not compare them to worthless scum like the Saudis or Yemenis.

Last, if you put a couple brigades of non servitude people in the field and really throw out the elites who have me under their thumb, I will hear about it. I’ll take any bets that it will not be anytime very soon, and that has been my point all along.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Brian Reilly
September 30, 2019 2:05 pm

Same old argument. Yes, you present the conventional wisdom effectively. I would offer this observation. The history of the world is the story of the repeated destruction of the status quo….and there are always folks standing around wondering what happened.

Are we at one of those inflection points in history, I think we are, both under 4th Turning Theory and the obvious logical end state we have reached politically.

The Left/DeepState cannot win at the ballot box but they are in positions of power which they are unwilling to relinquish. The patriots are reaching a critical mass of people who are tuned in to how the system is currently working and unwilling to allow the country to go without a fight.

I think that is the difference we have…you see the Left/Deep State but I think you are missing the wakening that has been occurring since at least 2001. The Patriot Act and the obvious BS story on 9/11 probably was the catalyst starting this struggle, the Obama regime/Tea Party and 2010 largest loss of seats in the history of the USA showed lots of folks are awake. The Election of Trump in 2016 despite the best efforts of the Left/DeepState (ongoing) shows a broadening base of patriot support.

2020 win or lose will only lead to more conflict……”death ground”….both parties are facing extinction and are going to fight to the death to “win” and in the event of a loss the struggle will just continue by non-conventional (4G) means.

We will not have Blue/Grey we will have dirty war, a police/authoritarian state and all the ugliness that goes with low-intensity conflict. Where it goes, in the end, is unclear…..smoldering and a gradual ramp up or a rapid escalation after a major power disruption/EMP/Bio attack etc. I can’t predict that but I am convinced the fuse is now lit, the Left/DeepState has fully committed to the fight….spicy time is here.

Ginger
Ginger
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 2:26 pm

People will have to take sides or else bow down to this kind of crap. Notice the homo flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpB72jLMSV8

22winmag w/o tagline
22winmag w/o tagline
  Ginger
September 30, 2019 5:23 pm

Dumb shit like this is staged to make you think Antifa is weak, annoying, and stupid- and they are.

But if real foreign mercenaries and modern day Hessians are allowed free reign in America (more than they already have) things could get really ugly.

M G
M G
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 2:30 pm

I fear you are so right

I wish I had a better clue about the status of our troops. My husband and I had seen the “bearing and behavior” of young airmen coming thru training really deteriorate in the Obama years. It is what sped our retirements from Contract work. Writing on the wall.

It is a combination of the lacsadaisacal attitudes about sexuality and codes of conduct. But the inappropriate behaviors I saw were condoned by military leaders and not corrected. Something about discipline has been lost.

At the local US Army base, Ft Leonard Wood, the soldiers are sharp and polite and I LOVE going there. I suspect it is Tinker and not all AF training.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  M G
September 30, 2019 2:40 pm

Here’s my own conventional wisdom….the military does everything they can to stay neutral and uninvolved….but eventually that evolves much like in the French Revolution as the population clamors for order at the cost of freedom. Same as it ever was, then we get a Ceaser of our own…..

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 11:21 pm

Heil God Emperor Trump.

I guess it could be worse. We could be bowing to Queen Hillary.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Francis Marion
October 1, 2019 12:57 am

Which is why I always support no government, least government and less stinky government in that order.

Lone Wolf
Lone Wolf
  M G
September 30, 2019 3:31 pm

M G- your observations remind me of what is written in Jeremiah 51:30:

“The mighty men of Babylon have ceased fighting, They stay in the strongholds; Their strength is exhausted, They are becoming like women; Their dwelling places are set on fire, The bars of her gates are broken. ”

I’ve always held the belief that “Babylon the Great” described in Revelation is the USA… and will meet such a fate in God’s good time…

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 5:01 pm

The scum Brennan put out a call to arms over the weekend dovetailing nicely with the change under cover of darkness of the whistleblowers requirement. Also revealed he went to Ukraine using a phony Passport to organize parts of the 2016 disinformation scam. Racist to bring it up. Mohammed forgive me.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Harrington Richardson
September 30, 2019 11:43 pm

brennan should not be allowed to die a natural death–when he is convicted of treason he should be hung–

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 9:17 pm

Martel-well thought out.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 9:32 pm

Martel’s, It is entirely possible for reasonable people to draw very different scenarios from the same set of data and anecdotes. You see the very real potential for a lot of productive, working Americans to fight guerilla-style war, and I do not. Not unless there are changes unforseen. Oh, a lot of threats and bellyaching. Maybe kneecapping some hapless Antifa clowns, but the sort of concerted effort needed to overcome an organization like we have here in the US, with the public support/acquiescence it enjoys? I am a candidate for that, and I know a lot of sharp-eyed, hardworking men who fit the bill, and not one of them is going at it without real shit coming to them first.

Now in another 40 years, a whole different bunch of people are going to live in this place we call America. My bet is that those people will be living under an officially much more repressive system, and will have GREAT smartphones, all by choice.

Maybe you are right, but that is not the way I would bet.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Brian Reilly
October 1, 2019 1:03 am

Resistance is non-linear…..we will lay down like jellyfish on the beach until we stop……many many interim phases, e.g. Bleeding Kansas while other areas were more stable. Eventually, it will escalate due to the simple realization that resistance is a better alternative.

I don’t want this, I have seen civil wars, mostly the aftermath and I dread what is coming but it is coming nonetheless. I would love to be wrong.

M G
M G
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 2:16 pm

People from Yugoslavia know how drastic the change comes.

Anyone remember?

22winmag w/o tagline
22winmag w/o tagline
  M G
September 30, 2019 5:26 pm

They faked Monica to distract people from Serbia, the Chinese Embassy, and so forth.

All wars and conflicts are managed and spun.

Even the Battle of France was hoaxed to a large degree.

http://mileswmathis.com/meuse.pdf

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  M G
October 1, 2019 1:07 am

Very nasty business there, I was there when most of the killing was done but the militia/death squads were still active….really terrible people who just needed to be put down. I assume most had become that way during the struggle, though it was always in them, hidden waiting to be brought forth. Like Selco says, you never really know how a person will react in a situation like that…..

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Brian Reilly
September 30, 2019 3:35 pm

I’m about ready to go all Hutu on these motherfucking Tutsis.

Rastus Goldstein
Rastus Goldstein
  Iska Waran
September 30, 2019 6:52 pm

I’ve always liked a nice Hutu, but nothing beats a big pair of Tutsis.

Dan
Dan
  Brian Reilly
October 2, 2019 10:40 am

“There is no interest in civil war, not the sort of war that means hot, dirty work killing people and breaking things…” Mother of pearl… do you pay attention to ANYTHING going on with the Left over the last, oh, 40 years??!!??? This is PRECISELY what they want!!!!

The Left is in full and open rabid bloodlust for power. If they get it back in their current state, they WILL do as the Weather Underground suggested back in the 70’s, and they will round-up Americans by the millions to ship us off in boxcars. This genocidal bent is built-into Marxism. what Stalin, Hitler, Mao, pol pot and others have done is a feature, not a bug, and it will come here if they get control of the fedgov.

The wonder Of it all
The wonder Of it all
September 30, 2019 12:50 pm

Wow. The extent of foul play and disrespect from supposedly educated people exhibits rhe new breed that our slanted education system has developed. Ouch. The results from word speak creates a loss of focus towards any real problem solving or focus for a true better future.

mark
mark
September 30, 2019 1:30 pm

Here is how I see it. The enemy is a pyramid with one EYE:

Game of throne international and national Bankster and Corporate Crime families who have intermarried long ago sealing their incestuous pact with the Devil.

Secret Societies seething with occult filth funded by all the money in the world because the Banksters create it out of thin air, and we pay them interest for doing it. They put us in unpayable massive debt, pump bubbles up, burst them, and transfer more wealth to themselves. Wash, rise, repeat.

Totally owned Media vomiting out their messages, miss direction, sins of commission, sins of omission, and outright lies.

They own their private club the UN, where the true agenda is the demonic New World Order.

Controlled, well-funded, poisoned Think Tanks and Foundations offering sock puppet political candidates who are their members, and were spawned from their evil conspiracy.

Dictators who sell their country out to the highest Crime Family bidder or are overthrown and or murdered until they find one who will sell.

Massive shadow government national and international clicks marching in lock step for their benefactors and masters.

K- Street Lobbyists who are just greedy recycled shadow government drones double dipping for more money and ‘stuff’.

Mafias, many of who have gone far past just crime joining occultist Secret Societies, and the CIA in its ongoing brutal and seemingly endless crimes against humanity.

The Catholic Church lost in perversion and money laundering for the CIA, the greatest drug dealer in the world.

Union leadership with corrupt ties, many just pawns in the game.

Drug Cartels, vicious, rabid, organized murderers also trafficking in humans and terror. They will willingly and eagerly align themselves with the Crime Family du jour.

Countless bribed – brown stoned/blackmailed politicians and celebrities who have eagerly embraced their own damnation for power, fame, and fortune.

An army of useful idiot ideologues at all levels of society from the ghettos to the universities, who believe the swill of the tactics of identity politics and the ultimate Big Lie…Marxism.

Gang grunts who carry out murder and mayhem for the same reason packs of wild dogs travel together.

Millions of migrant illegal pawns flooding the West, formed and funded by the Bankster and Corporate Crime families to over whelm nationalism and the battered and staggering West.

Lost, soulless, perverted degenerates of all types and stripes populate the pyramid, the modern day Tower of Babel.

All of the above are plotting, infighting, murdering, making alliances, betraying one another, jockeying for positions for control of the emerging New World Order as their owned, and controlled Big Tech companies set up the digital re-education schools, eliminate opposition, and build the digital walls of the coming New World Order prison that they will be the guards for.

Luciferian Globalists rule all of the above and they worship their god…Lucifer. Eventually, they will force a Civil War to destroy the US. It is a Win/Win for them, no matter who wins. Then they can deal with the balkanized remains after the river of blood stops flowing. A bonus is all the useless eaters who will be killed!

But fear not, read the Book. Understand what is coming, what happens, why, when, and be of good cheer. Jesus said:

John 16:33 Berean Literal Bible: I have spoken these things to you so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world.”

Steel yourself, prep in all ways, get ready to fight for your family and what is right.

NtroP
NtroP
  mark
September 30, 2019 2:39 pm

mark,
That was a first class rant, full of truth. It could/should have been a stand-alone post.
God bless you

mark
mark
  NtroP
September 30, 2019 4:58 pm

NtroP,

Thanks buddy…back at you with the favor and the protection of the Triune God.

I might flesh it out and drill down deeper into the levels.

M G
M G
  mark
September 30, 2019 5:39 pm

Good. I would like that.

22winmag w/o tagline
22winmag w/o tagline
  mark
September 30, 2019 5:35 pm
M G
M G
  mark
September 30, 2019 5:38 pm

It was sounding from until the end.. but we knew it was coming.

kevx
kevx
  mark
September 30, 2019 6:42 pm

great post. where is this illusive lucifers manifesto or doctrine? is the skin so loose it is noticeable?

mark
mark
  kevx
September 30, 2019 11:52 pm

kevx,

All modern roads lead back to Rhodes. This is an interesting read on his role. The book, ‘The killing of Uncle Sam’ provides many more details, names names, agives the big picture of many levels of what I described in my post.

CEIL RHODES, THE ROUNDTABLE MOVEMENT AND EUGENICS
http://canadianpatriot.org/cecil-rhodes-the-roundtable-movement-and-eugenics/

The Pilgrim Society’s history is another major puzzle piece:

BRITISH AND AMERICAN MEDIA WEAPONIZED BY THE PILGRIMS SOCIETY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0lbhUHCHc&t=427s

UTURN
UTURN
  mark
October 1, 2019 12:57 am

Everything will change Nov. 3rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdoDPIVtTHI

ottomatik
ottomatik
  mark
October 1, 2019 9:59 am

Mark-way to shine the light, impressive listing of evil, its haunts and foot trails through this world.

RiNS
RiNS
September 30, 2019 1:42 pm

something is up..

apparently

prolly a nothin’ burger but can hope…

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
September 30, 2019 3:12 pm

This isn’t Ft. Sumter. It is really, really bad…but Sumter is what will happen when the election results are announced, and regardless of who wins.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Articles of Confederation
September 30, 2019 5:08 pm

I saw some asshole on maybe The Hill (?) today claiming this shit was their “firing on Ft. Sumter.”

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Harrington Richardson
September 30, 2019 6:33 pm

They will bite off more than they can chew, and lose horribly. But at the cost of so much bloodshed, mayhem, evil…so very awful but it’s the same sad story throughout all of human history.
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Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
September 30, 2019 3:20 pm

Talking about the treaty is obviously racist. Why not throw in sexist, homophobic and just flat out Deplorable(s) while we’re at it. Number of high-powered CEO’s sent a letter to all major media demanding Rudy Giuliani not be allowed on their air or in their print. Why? Because they do not like what he is saying, backed with depositions, documents, and court rulings. If he’s lying, sue him. He isn’t and they can’t. The blatant, in your face, little people STFU or else phase has begun. I refuse.
IT IS OBVIOUS THE SWAMP CAN WAIT NO LONGER. Somebody must be really close to finding the main “plug.”

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
September 30, 2019 3:49 pm

Our society in the US has been protecting the non-productive for decades. We’ve now reached the tipping point where the non-productive feel they have the right to demand more from those who are productive. Anybody who doesn’t believe that this will lead to bloodshed, in one degree or another, is not paying attention.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Anonymousse
September 30, 2019 5:09 pm

Right out of classics like de Tocqueville and “the Ant and the Grasshopper.”

kevx
kevx
  Anonymousse
September 30, 2019 6:46 pm

but is it the homeless and welfarers that are the handouts? i think we are looking to bail out the wrong folks. i say let them fail -let them all fail!

22winmag w/o tagline
22winmag w/o tagline
September 30, 2019 5:43 pm

I’m going to take another whack at this turd-in-the-punchbowl article.

CIA coup?

Is the author’s brain stem attached?

The author appears to know nothing of Watergate and even less about the CIA.

Watergate was a media dog and pony show and we are expected to take Ukrainegate as a CIA coup seriously?

If you bother to read these 13 pages, you can quickly and permanently dismiss this lame Coup-Impeachment theater going on today.

http://mileswmathis.com/watergate.pdf

Here’s an excerpt:

“Now, if the CIA pulled Watergate, and if the CIA was in a turf war with FBI and Nixon, we should look at the possibility CIA framed Nixon, right? They had motive, they had ability, and their man Hunt was convicted of the crime. How is it that idea is never pursued? We must assume it is because CIA has been in control of the story since the beginning. It was in control of the story issued to the newspapers in 1972, and it was in control of the variants allowed to be published in books, and it is still in control of the story and all variants of it. You know what the CIA wants you to know. If you are told anything else- as in these clues I pull together from Wikipedia- you are told only to muddy the waters. They assume you aren’t smart enough to put the pieces of the puzzle together, so they think they can tell you anything as long as they don’t put the pieces together for you.

I have come to believe they have reached the point of just playing games. They have been so amazed by the gullibility and stupidity of everyone, they now test us by putting the real answers right out in the open, to see if anyone out there can think straight. I think they are just as disappointed in the intelligence and gumption of those studying the media as anyone, maybe moreso. As I have said before, it is no fun fooling fools, and CIA looks bored to me. They start to think that all their work to remain covert was just wasted. They didn’t need to hide behind a beautifully camouflaged curtain, they could have hidden just as well behind a 2-by-4. Most people are so blind they don’t see the CIA when the CIA is standing in an open field waving their arms. In short, CIA has lost all respect for its audience, which has led to its loss of respect for itself. These agents might hold their heads up if they could fool a Sherlock Holmes, but fooling the American public isn’t even a challenge. They don’t need CNN and green screens, they could fool the American public with Punch and Judy puppets. If they can propagandize America with Anderson Cooper, they could propagandize America even more cheaply with Shari Lewis and Lamb Chop. “

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  22winmag w/o tagline
September 30, 2019 6:43 pm

Please seek professional help, preferably somebody certified in ECT (Electro Shock Therapy).

22winmag w/o tagline
22winmag w/o tagline
  Martel's Hammer
September 30, 2019 7:39 pm

Watergate was 100% CIA from day one.

The public record reflects this.

Admitting this makes it easier for one to see Ukrainegate for what it is.

A really shitty sequel.

M G
M G
  Martel's Hammer
October 1, 2019 6:08 am

I will stand in for EC and point out that would be Electric Chock Therapy.

EC
EC
  M G
October 1, 2019 9:19 pm

omg, don’t quit your day job, Maggito. My jokes are meant to be a hammer in a velvet glove, not a freaking cream pie in the face. Did you read what Steve C said about me, I’m infuriating. He didn’t say I’m embarrassing.

UTURN
UTURN
  22winmag w/o tagline
October 1, 2019 12:56 am

Everything will change Nov. 3rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdoDPIVtTHI

M G
M G
  UTURN
October 1, 2019 6:23 am

What an excellent video.

Won’t be visiting Seattle on my way North!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  22winmag w/o tagline
October 1, 2019 6:36 am

Hey douchebag. please go away. you are ruining this website. I know admin is all for the 1st amendment here, but i’ve never seen anyone more downvoted for adding bullshit.

EC
EC
  Anonymous
October 1, 2019 9:22 pm

Just yesterday I got way more downvotes than Winnie. I see by your miserable count that nobody reads your bullshit, Anony. Get a life.

SeeBee
SeeBee
September 30, 2019 7:04 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51CwAOucu0
I don’t know why this is the first thing that came to mind after reading the article.

Mustang
Mustang
September 30, 2019 8:32 pm

No longer call it impeachment. Call it a Democrat led Coup of a dully elected President. Banana Republics would be so proud of The Democratic Party!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 30, 2019 8:41 pm

after Epstein, isn’t
“Whistleblower” had been placed under federal protection due to “threats” made against him or her.
a death sentence ?

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve
  Anonymous
September 30, 2019 9:41 pm

Even his lawyer said being in fear for his life was bullshit. He called out CBS.

Pequiste
Pequiste
September 30, 2019 8:42 pm

The American Trotskyites will have it their way, or so they believe.

The shit firestorm that is on its way, not tomorrow or next week, but soon, shall overwhelm the most ardent Red revolutionary.

Then The Evil Fuckers will roll out their super AGI robots to keep everything nicely and tightly wrapped up and be laughing while enjoying sundowners and other fleshly pleasures on their well guarded private islands.

Uturn
Uturn
  Pequiste
October 1, 2019 12:56 am

Everything will change Nov. 3rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdoDPIVtTHI

Miles Long
Miles Long
  Uturn
October 1, 2019 7:15 pm

That’s the 3rd time you said that.

EC
EC
  Miles Long
October 1, 2019 9:24 pm

Time to ignore the bot, Miley.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 1, 2019 7:04 am

Yup, the PTB’s last desperate attempt to maintain their controlled predatory status quo/cover-up of past “indiscretions” is large-scale violence/WAR as a distraction for their quiet “exit, stage left” to their well-provisioned/secured digs from which they fund ALL the belligerents and then the rebuild with another round of [interest encumbered] FIAT DEBT funded in to circulation on “borrower’s” AUTHORizing sigs.
Not yet “hunkered down”, GATHERed [together], GUNned, GARDENed, PROVISIONed and . . . SIMPLIFIED on a portion of arable, inland, rural, UNencumbered/UNaddressed county dirt?
Tick-tock. Bring it on, bring it on – locked and loaded. FEAR NUTH’N but the Lord’s wrath to the UNrepenting “citYzens/coasters/urbies”, SJWs, antifa[rts], gov knuckle-draggers, academic/media/legal/political hacks, etals!