Let’s Invade Mexico!

Guest Post by Fred Reed

I suppose that by now everyone has heard of Trump’s offer to send the American military to “wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth,” which he asserts can be done “quickly and effectively. “

Trump phrased this as an offer to help, not a threat to invade, which is reassuring. AMLO, Mexico’s president, wisely declined the offer.

While the President seems to have made the offer in good faith, he has little idea of Mexico, the military, or the cartels. The American military could not come close to wiping them off the face of the earth, much less effectively and quickly. Such an incursion would be a political and military disaster. The President needs to do some reading.

If AMLO were to invite the Americans into Mexico, he would be lynched. Few Americans are aware of how much the United States is hated in Latin America, and for that matter in most of the world. They don’t know of the long series of military interventions, brutal dictators imposed and supported, and economic rapine. Somoza, Pinochet, the Mexican-American War, detachment of Panama from Colombia, bombardment of Veracruz, Patton’s incursion–the list could go on for pages. The Mexican public would look upon American troops not as saviors but as invaders. Which they would be.

The incursion would not defeat the cartels, for several reasons that trump would do well to ponder. To begin with, America starts its wars by overestimating its own powers, underestimating the enemy, and misunderstanding the kind of war on which it is embarking. The is exactly what Trump seems to be doing.

He probably thinks of Mexicans as just gardeners and rapists and we have all these beautiful advanced weapons and beautiful drones and things with blinking lights. A pack of rapists armed with garden trowels couldn’t possibly be difficult to defeat by the US. I mean, get serious: Dope dealers against the Marines? A cakewalk.

You know, like Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. That sort of cakewalk. Let’s think what an expedition against the narcos would entail, what it would face.

To begin with, Mexico is a huge country of 127 million souls with the narcos spread unevenly across it. You can’t police a nation that size with a small force, or even with a large force. A (preposterous) million soldiers would be well under one percent of the population. Success would be impossible even if that population helped you. Which it wouldn’t.

Other problems exist. Many, many of them.

Let’s consider terrain. Terrain is what militaries fight in. Start with the Sierra Madre, which I suspect Trump doesn’t know from Madre Teresa. This is the brutally inhospitable mountain range in the northwest of Mexico, from which a great many of the narcos come.(Sinaloa is next door.) Forestation is dense, slopes steep, communication only by narrow trails that the natives know as well as you know how to find your bathroom. Nobody else knows them. American infantry would be helpless here. The Narcos would be found only when they chose to be found, which would not be at opportune moments.

The Sierra Madre Occidental, home of many of the drug traffickers. I have walked in these mountains, or tried to. It is impossible for infantry, worse for armor, and airplanes can’t see through the trees.

The Tarahumara Indians live in the Sierra Madre. They frequent the trails, sometimes in groups, and carry things not identifiable from the air. In frustration American forces would do what they always do: start bombing, or launching Hellfires from drones, at what they think are, or think may be, or hope might be, narcos. Frequently they would kill innocents having nothing to do with drugs. This wouldn’t bother the military, certainly not remote drone operators in Colorado or somewhere. They get paid anyway. The Indians who just had their families turned into science projects couldn’t do anything about it.

Well, nothing but join the narcos, who might call this a “force multiplier.”

Some other northern Mexican terrain. The Duarte Bridge between Sinaloa and Durango. A company commander, looking at it, would would have PTSD in advance, just to get a start on things.

Of the rest of Mexico, much consists of jungle, presenting the same problems as the Sierra Madre, and of cities and villages. Here we encounter the problem that has proved disastrous for US forces in war after war: there is no way to tell who is a narco and who isn’t.

In cities and towns, narcos are indistinguishable from the general population. How–precisely how, I want to know–would American troops, kitted out in body armor and goggles and looking like idiots, fight the narcos in villages with which they were unfamiliar? The narcos, well armed, would pick off GIs from windows, whereupon the Americans would respond by firing at random, calling in air strikes, and otherwise killing locals. These would now hate Americans. The narcos know this. They would use it.

Culiacan, Sinaloa, Chapo’s home city. It has a high concentration of narcos. Suppose that you are an infantry officer, sent to “fight the cartels.” You have, say, twenty troops with you, all with hi-tech equipment and things dangling. How do you propose to fight the cartels here? Which of the people in the photo, if any, are narcos? You could ask them. That would work.

Don’t expect help from the locals. Most would much rather see you killed than the narcos. And if they collaborated they and their families would be killed. This would discourage them. Bright ideas?

Now a point that Schwarzehairdye in the White House has likely not grasped. The narcos are Mexicans. So is the population. You know, brown, speak Spanish, that kind of thing. The invaders would not be Mexicans. This matters. Villagers usually do not hate the narcos. These provide jobs, buy their marijuana crops, often do Robin Hood things to help the locals. Pablo Escobar did this, Al Capone, Chapo Guzman. There is a whole genre of popular music, narcocorridos, celebrating the doings of the drug trade. (Corridos Prohibidos, by Los Tigres del Norte, for example). Amazon has the CD.

Which means that they would side with the narcos instead of the already-hated soldiers, putos gringos cabrones, que se chinguen sus putas madres.

Further, much of Mexico doesn’t much like its government.

And of course the narcos will have the option of fading into the population and waiting for the gringos to go home. This means that the invasion would become an occupation. The invading forces would thus need bases, which would become permanent. Bases where? All over the country, which is where the narcos are?

Getting the American military into one’s country is much easier than getting it out. The world knows this. Mexicans assuredly do. They know that America has wrecked country after country in the Mideast, always to do something good about democracy and human rights. They know that America is squeezing Venezuela to get control of its oil, squeezing Iran for the same reason, attacked Iraq for the same reason, has troops in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for the same reason, and has just confiscated Syria’s oil . Mexico has oil. So when Trump wants to send the military to “help” fight drugs, what do you suppose the Mexicans suspect?

Another point: Roughly a million American expats live happily in Mexico. These would be hostages, and they–we–are soft targets. The drones kill five narcos, and the narcos kill five expats. Or ten, or fifty. What does Washington do now?

Finally, consider what happens when you bomb a country, make life dangerous, kill its children, destroy the economy and impoverish its people? Answer: They go somewhere else. With Mexico being made unlivable, Mexicans would have two choices of somewhere else, Guatemala and….See whether you can fill in the blank. Maybe four or five million of them.

Nuff said. May God protect Mexico from Yanquis who would do it good, from advisers, and then adviser creep, and then occupation, and then from badly led militaries who have no idea where they are.

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Apple
Apple
November 13, 2019 6:21 am

So you are suggesting we hunt mexicans in america where they stand out like a sore thumb? I can support that. What, like five dollars per hide just like coyotes?

john galt
john galt
November 13, 2019 6:52 am

Fred you are an idiot. I stopped reading when you told me what you thought trump believed about mexicans being just gardeners. Funny how you fantasize these cartels are sooooo strong and smart and well funded. Not to mention their superman capabilities. Surely you have written about how we rednecks would not have a chance in revolution and take back our country for the good of our country because our AK and AR is no match for tanks and jets. But you think a bunch a mexicans in pickups working for a drug dealer somehow has more resolve than an american patriot protection the future for his kids and grandkids. Wake the duck up fred and stop writing babbling bullshit. Your tds is showing fred…..

flash
flash
  john galt
November 13, 2019 9:41 am

Fred doesn’t want to be butchered like his fellow Americans residing in Mexico recently were , hence the pro narco gibbersih.

Dutch
Dutch
  john galt
November 13, 2019 10:25 am

I say fuck Mexico, fuck Latin America, and fuck Fred. It’s all a shit hole. Just a cut above Africa.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  john galt
November 13, 2019 10:34 am

An American patriot protecting his kids in America (where he belongs) is formidable, perhaps unbeatable. An American fighting in Mexico against Mexicans – drug lords or others – is a sitting duck. We’re good at dropping bombs. Occupying countries not so much. Not because we’re bad occupiers, but because occupying countries is nearly impossible – and completely impossible if you’re unwilling to be unimaginably brutal. We’ve spent 18 years in Afghanistan- a country with 1/7 the population of Mexico and one that’s much poorer. We control almost none of it, and the instant we leave (should that ever really happen), the country will right back in the hands of the Taliban.

I’ve never agreed as much with Fred Reed as I do on this one. We need to stay the fuck out of Mexico, build the wall, keep them the fuck out and mind our own fucking business. Besides, those Mormon “Americans” who got killed made their own bed by living there for the last 100+ years just so they could have multiple wives. What kind of crazy fucker wants more than one wife?

mark
mark
  Iska Waran
November 13, 2019 7:40 pm

Iska,

“What kind of crazy fucker wants more than one wife?”

Ha!

Let me day dream here:

Let’s not invade Mexico…let’s just stop the invasion by the ‘Cartels’ and all that entails.

Starve the Organized Cartel thugs out, and stop a host of obvious crimes/problems/illegal people/drugs, send down the military (including the 40,000 Marine Reserves recently made legal to call up for something like this – not one Marine called up yet – but the legal road is now paved) to completely block the border except for trade and legal traffic until the Wall is finished.

SHTF in Mexico…many other moves possible after that…but I was only white board day dreaming. (Every pun intended).

CCRider
CCRider
November 13, 2019 7:25 am

This could be cured in a day. Take the federal government out of the recreational drug market and leave each state to deal with it as they will. Done. But don’t hope for it. There’s too much loot being passed around ‘our’ government. And forget trump’s rants. He’s worthless. Did you read Ann Coulter finally bailed on his lying ass?

Ann Coulter Gives Up: DACA Kids Can Stay, Trump ‘Must Go’

Ginger
Ginger
  CCRider
November 13, 2019 7:38 am

Well, there goes the “trannies for Trump” vote.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Ginger
November 13, 2019 10:36 pm

Ginger.
I don’t understand the down votes. That was funny as heck.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  CCRider
November 13, 2019 8:19 am

I understand her sentiments. But when Trump goes, who replaces him??? Chip

CCRider
CCRider
  SmallerGovNow
November 13, 2019 8:22 am

A new puppet.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  CCRider
November 13, 2019 8:55 am

For me the jury is still out on Trump being a puppet… Chip

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  SmallerGovNow
November 13, 2019 9:32 am

I didn’t downvote you BTW because it’s possible that you’re right. I don’t think there is anyone that can say with 100% certainty either case is true at this point… Chip

CCRider
CCRider
  SmallerGovNow
November 13, 2019 9:36 am

Just ask any of the 500,000 new welfare recipients that wandered over the border this year alone.

flash
flash
  CCRider
November 13, 2019 9:46 am

Because government by feelings transcends rule by law.

“That this is not about the law; this is about our choice to destroy lives,” Sotomayor said, directly expressing what she believed a ruling to end DACA would mean to those enrolled in it.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/12/sotomayor-at-daca-oral-arguments-this-is-about-our-choice-to-destroy-lives/

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
November 13, 2019 7:45 am

Every once in a while old Fred will say something profoundly important without intending to.,

Most Americans have no idea how much the United States is hated in Mexico- and the rest of the world.

And yet we’re wrong to want to keep people out of the country who hate us?
That’s precisely the reason to shut the border and end immigration- there’s no way to know who hates you and understand why they are still coming here. It can’t be to improve the US, so then why keep bending over?

Fred knows Mexicans intimately and he’s probably spot on in his assessment which undermines everything else he’s written about them since 2003.

The longer I read him the more I get the feeling that it’s Fred who really, really hates the US.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  Hardscrabble Farmer
November 13, 2019 8:25 am

Well the cartels control literally everything in Mexico. The “subjects” (not citizens) are unarmed and the politicians and media are as corrupt as can be. Fred is right in his analysis of military operations. But should we do nothing? Our neighbor is a corrupt hell hole. And we’re half way around the world policing shit we have no business policing. I’d rather they be on our border, shutting it down. And yes, I think the real answer is to lock down the border and stop immigration both legal and illegal until we can get a handle on our problems. Apparently all of the powers that be (possibly including Trump – Jury is still out on that) don’t want our problems addressed in any meaningful way… Chip

Pequiste
Pequiste
  SmallerGovNow
November 13, 2019 9:20 am

Exactly.
Fred just laid out most of the reasons the border between Mexico and the U.S.A. should be a cordon sanitaire. Anyone coming coming across anyplace other than through an actual official border checkpoint should suffer death.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Hardscrabble Farmer
November 13, 2019 10:14 am

To paraphrase: I don’t give a shit if the Mexicans hate us. It is more important that they fear us.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Hardscrabble Farmer
November 13, 2019 11:03 am

Silly HSF. We need to install more water stations in the desert.

starfcker
starfcker
  Hardscrabble Farmer
November 13, 2019 11:17 am

He does. And I take it personally. “Another point: Roughly a million American expats live happily in Mexico. These would be hostages, and they–we–are soft targets. The drones kill five narcos, and the narcos kill five expats. ” I feel you, Fred. You wouldn’t mind sharing your coordinates, would you?

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  Hardscrabble Farmer
November 13, 2019 12:45 pm

The movie, “Get the Gringo” with Mel Gibson has a scene where some criminals were trying to flee across the border of Mexico.
They crash right at the border and the American law enforcement begins to argue with the Mexican Federalis about who is going to make the arrest.

It goes back and forth until one of the Federalis, Vasquez says,

Look, you’re corrupt…we’re corrupt. The only difference is, we’re honest about it.

Too many Americans have been brainwashed into believing the system isn’t broken and not corrupt. I see it here in the comment section everyday.

It would be hilarious if it weren’t so depressing.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Plato_Plubius
November 13, 2019 12:54 pm

american govt top to bottom is far more honest than the vast majority of other countries in the world-
regarding mexico/central america,i’ve rented to lots of guys from those places &most of them have their stories to tell about being hit up 4 bribes by local cops & also being brutalized by those cops–
most american cops & bureaucrats are honest & it is relatively rare 4 them to brutalize people compared to south of the border–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Red..
So we are less corrupt? Assuming you’re not off meds again, are you saying at least we aren’t the ugliest horse at the glue factory?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
November 13, 2019 2:55 pm

civilian govt,far less corrupt on average–
foreign policy wise,we just love liberty so much & want to share it–
our motto,”give them liberty or give them death.”

PI
PI
November 13, 2019 7:50 am

Keep kissing up to the narcos.
It might keep your gringo ass alive.
Then again it might not.

yahsure
yahsure
November 13, 2019 8:29 am

It shows what happens to a population when only the bad guys own guns.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  yahsure
November 13, 2019 8:51 am

Bingo! That’s why it’s our red line in the sand… Chip

KarenTVelazquez
KarenTVelazquez
November 13, 2019 9:03 am

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Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
November 13, 2019 9:06 am

Poor Old Fred. Hey buddy, thanks for your service but you chose to live Old Mexico…..

Talk about normalcy bias….Fred’s entire premise of the US Militaries “Failure” is predicated on the half measures we have embraced in the post-WWII period….

If we actually were concerned about Mexico as a failed state and a threat I don’t think that is how things will go.

There is a question in my mind on the slaughter of the 9 Mormon women and children…..why would the Cartels change policy on killing Americans (openly), and why now?

Why did Trump move thousands of Marines from the east coast to 29 stumps (aka 29 Palms)?

Depending on how those questions are answered there is a chance that we would invade Northen Mexico and create a buffer zone….which is a polite way of saying, we kill everything in the buffer zone…..just ask the Turks and Kurds…that is how buffer zones work.

Beyond that…..well Fred the 1846-1848 Mexican American war didn’t go too well for the Mexicans and we did successfully fight on the same terrain and without the benefit of vastly superior technology, logistics, weapons systems, communication systems, satellites, etc.

Normalcy bias is a bad strategic assumption…..helpful until it is wrong and then it catastrophically damaging.

Fuck the 1 M traitor bastards who relocated to Mexico….I would pack your shit and leave now or don’t complain later….living in a third world shithole is your choice, cheap while it lasts but does not obligate the US to save you or otherwise take you into consideration when blowing up said third world shithole to protect the citizens that actually live in the US.

AmazingAZ
AmazingAZ
  Martel's Hammer
November 13, 2019 10:54 am

I certainly agree that any US citizen living in Mexico really ought to at least rethink that strategy. However, the flippant “traitor bastards” comment was wrong, dude. There are many Americans that live out of the country for many different reasons. Some are veterans, some are just those of us who find that living frugally, but at least comfortably in a foreign country is preferable to living on the streets in the US. We’re not sucking at the public trough, but rather being responsible for ourselves. I for one, would never expect any help overseas from the Gov. You must have a cushy pension to be so arrogant, but they say pride goeth before the fall. These are Americans my friend; division helps none of us.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  AmazingAZ
November 13, 2019 11:07 am

Llpoh has some cool stories about Australia, why he did what he did, etc. It’s not expats along the lines you mentioned, such as stretching retirement income further in a cheaper location. It’s the RUNNERS who admitted they left because they were skurred (they call it “seeing the writing on the wall”), or who expatted like Fred to play the neener neener game. Note these are the most vocal assholes about what we should and should not do.

Sooooo for the RUNNERS and the Freds, forget you were our countrymen, and renounce your goddamn citizenships. Oh, and good luck in a global economic downturn, when xenophobia kicks into high gear and the human tribal instinct starts rearing its head. Please refer to all previous Fourth Turnings and the reaction of locals to “foreigners”.

flash
flash
November 13, 2019 9:39 am

“Few Americans are aware of how much the United States is hated in Latin America,”
Yet they pour across our borders everyday seeking the money of the hated via both honest work and crime, even while their failed state devolves into a hellscape of butchery and graft.

“To begin with, Mexico is a huge country of 127 million souls with the narcos spread unevenly across it. You can’t police a nation that size with a small force, or even with a large force. ” Exhibit one of the failed state to police it’s own. Where’s our big beautiful wall, Trump? In Israel?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  flash
November 13, 2019 10:12 am

congress won’t fund it–the reps already had 1/2 of it as free $ in 2018 & reallocated it–

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 13, 2019 10:01 am

I quit reading right after “Guest Post by Fred Reed”.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 13, 2019 2:53 pm

Always the best choice.

4DChesster
4DChesster
  Anonymous
November 13, 2019 3:31 pm

@anonomous Now you’re talking.

Ken
Ken
November 13, 2019 10:15 am

After 30 years in the infantry I am certainly not a warmonger, but more and more every year I see us spending more and more money and time on our southern neighbor. Perhaps if the USA’s southern border became Guatemala and Belize, we could fix the problem. No more illegals – instead they could just go home to annexed Mexico and still be legal citizens and still be in the USA. Imagine all the beachfront property for the corporate dicks to exploit, and the MIC would be overjoyed. The Gulf of Mexico would be our playground – and can you imagine the exodus of blue-haired retirees from Florida for Puerto Vallarta? Voila, tres simpatico.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Ken
November 13, 2019 10:35 am

Why not, sounds like a grand plan to me….though why not just go to the southern edge of Panama…..I kind of like that canal being under the Stars and Stripes.

Ken
Ken
  Martel's Hammer
November 13, 2019 3:06 pm

I hadn’t thought of that, good plan.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ken
November 13, 2019 2:54 pm

Where are you going to bury all the Mexicans?

Ken
Ken
  Anonymous
November 13, 2019 3:08 pm

Why would we need to bury them? According to the progressives they all deserve to come here anyway. We will just get on board with their agenda and make that shit happen! When we are done we’ll just move all the former Mexicans to California since they all wind up there anyway.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ken
November 13, 2019 3:22 pm

What would California do with 100 million dead Mexicans?

Oh, right. Have them vote Democrat.

Martel’s Hammer
Martel’s Hammer
  Anonymous
November 13, 2019 9:44 pm

Pyramids of skulls.

splurge
splurge
  Martel’s Hammer
November 14, 2019 2:57 pm

Really old school, I like it

TampaRed
TampaRed
November 13, 2019 10:41 am

maybe fred is hearing things down in mexico about us invading–
there has been a lot of rumbling caused by the ex pat mormon family being killed but that should not be our concern unless they were targeted b/c they were american–

regarding us invading,at this point it would probably cause more problems then it would solve but we could justify invading & carving out a border zone so that we could more easily control the flow of people & things across the border–
what i believe would be best would be to covertly insert a large # of sf operators to put tracking devices in many loads of drugs & then allow them to come across so we can track them to wherever they go in the us to be distributed by the cartel employees who are in our country–we need to get the mex drug dealers out of the country-
along w/inserting tracking devices in the drugs going across the border the sf guys should start tracking the lower level guys who bring the drugs up close to the border back to their bosses,all the way up the line–
if guys from mid level on up started disappearing on a regular basis,at some point there would be no one willing to take their place–

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 10:50 am

Brilliant! Chip

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 11:25 am

There will always be entrepreneuring individuals to take their places. High risk, high reward. Again, Harry Browne: A black market is a free market operating against the wishes of the State. No more, no less. Prohibition has cost us a lot of blood and treasure. Just ask anyone who’s worked at SOUTHCOM.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 8:14 pm

like they couldn’t of done it the last 20 years ? send sf to stop cartels ? lmao, that will be the fn day hell freezes over

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
November 13, 2019 11:00 am

Would it perhaps make more sense to work on a comprehensive decriminalization strategy, so as to bring the free market out of the black? How many trillions have we spent since the Barry McCaffrey days? As Harry Browne once said, a black market is a free market operating against the wishes of the State.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Articles of Confederation
November 13, 2019 12:31 pm

pot,decriminalie at federal level,legalize it state by state,though it ain’t so harmless as proponents like to say–
meth,coke,fentanyl,etc.,should we legalize those?
i’m not so sure–
no matter what,it can’t come across the border illegally–
edit–left out a z,it keeps not working & i don’t notice,anybody know how to fix it?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 1:00 pm

Fentanyl is a covert war being waged on us by China, for multiple reasons. Some of it is based on history. It is a hell of a sidebar that could have a couple of articles based on it alone.

As for the other drugs, I haven’t committed one way or the other. I see both sides. What I will say, though, is that the War on Drugs as it stands is worse than an epic failure. It’s cost us a lot of lives and money.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Articles of Confederation
November 13, 2019 2:15 pm

aoc,
re fentanyl/china,that’s how it started but i read somewhere that the fentanyl itself is now being made in mexico–the meth is definitely being produced in mexico,i could be wrong about the fentanyl-
as to legalization,i’m kinda like you,i go back/forth–
i have a real problem locking you up 4 running a line in your own house while i’m sitting in my living room drinking legal alcohol as i watch the news story about your bust–
otoh,the hard stuff is so incredibly devastating to society in general,not just to the user & those in his immediate circle–
one thing i do believe is that if it’s illegal the user is just as guilty as the dealer,very few users get hooked w/o knowing what they’re doing–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 8:47 pm

Red.
I’m also back and forth on the topic of hard stuff. In the early 1900’s when nothing was illegal we didn’t have the scourge we have today. However, I also don’t think we had the spiritual sickness then that we have today that makes escape more appealing.
The whole mess has to be allowed to crumble before anything can change. As long as the “Free” Fiat money props up the props that feed liberalism I don’t see how it will change.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
November 13, 2019 10:31 pm

Yup, there’s that.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  TampaRed
November 13, 2019 10:30 pm

TR, I think China is involved somehow, some way. Just can’t shake the feeling. I bet that if we followed the money to the fentanyl/opioid issues, the ChiComs’ fingers would be all over it. It has delicious irony to them historically and they know we’re on the ropes.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Articles of Confederation
November 13, 2019 10:40 pm

yeah,
i’ve always heard that most of the meth & ingredients 4 meth came from china but that it is now being produced in mexico & points south–ditto 4 fentanyl–
google has a list of recent articles that point to mexico but w/the influence the chicoms have w/google it wouldn’t surprise me if the results aren’t rigged–

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+produces+fentanyl&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS775US775&oq=who+produces+fentanyl&aqs=chrome..69i57.15859j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Jaz
Jaz
November 13, 2019 11:00 am

I’m waiting for the rest of Mexico to come north for the freebies, then I will move to Mexico.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 13, 2019 11:13 am

Reads like a travel poster. It should be posted in Spanish where Mexicans congregate to entice them to move to Mexico.

Donkey
Donkey
November 13, 2019 11:36 am

Are you saying your skin is your uniform? Why do you borders are a thing?

Le Comte
Le Comte
November 13, 2019 1:46 pm

Selectively shut down the southern border and put the troops there to enforce. All troops out of the Middle East cesspool.

Lars
Lars
November 13, 2019 5:11 pm

“…to get control of its oil, squeezing Iran for the same reason, attacked Iraq for the same reason, has troops in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for the same reason, and has just confiscated Syria’s oil . Mexico has oil.”

Oil matters, but the primary objective of ME incursions is to advance Israel’s agenda, a subject Fred refuses to touch. I remember ten or so years ago, he started a comment section on his website to make things more interesting – and it did -, but shut it down within a week or so when someone mentioned the J word.

KaD
KaD
November 13, 2019 5:58 pm

Hundreds Arrested In ‘Operation Triple Beam,’ DOJ Announces