“Let’s drop our rifles here, go back home, and write a nice letter politely
asking the British military governor of Massachusetts to pretty please
stop treating us like serfs.” – said not one single swinging Richard
one cold April morning.
This comment on yesterday’s post, and my reply, are too germane and vital to relegate to ten grafs below the comment bar.
The comment:
“My two cents:
1 Don’t shoot or in any way attack LEO or National guard troops; it is a sure fire way to turn people away from your cause. Refuse to obey unconstitutional laws but don’t refuse to obey the police, your fight is in court not with the police.
2. If you did choose to take someone’s life, a politician or other anti-American activist, which I would advise against, do not use a gun. The opposition would use the fact that you used a gun against you. Don’t forget they are painting you as rabid killers who are armed.
3, The fight is political, form groups to bring your cause to the public and fight this at the ballot box. Win the hearts and minds of your fellow citizens.
4. Tell your people, your followers and supporters that you are a law abiding supporter of the constitution and anyone who breaks the law does not represent you and your beliefs.
-Anonymous
Dear Anonymous,
You clearly haven’t put two seconds’ considered thought into this.
I have one deadly serious question for you:
At what point do you draw the line, and stop cucking?
The Colonial Militia opened fire in 1775 when TPTB came for their guns, and their leaders.
Maybe I’m sentimental about the principal, but that sounds like a pretty good historical precedent to me.
You want to try fighting that battle after you’re disarmed, before the same courts that refused to throw such prima facie unconstitutional laws out, for decades, and you may as well just drive yourself down to the railroad yard and self-load onto a boxcar now.
If not your guns, then over what?
If not right then, when?
If you won’t fight when you’re armed, how will you do it when you’re disarmed?
“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” – Thomas Paine
“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” – Sam Adams
It’s as if you couldn’t wait to run out and say “Any suggestion that someone might actually stand up for their rights in any meaningful way was unintentional” and “Hey, we don’t want to, you know, piss off TPTB or make things hard for their dutiful minions, right?”
In short, I cannot see any point of agreement with one word you wrote.
You’re twenty years and more behind the times.
For you, the catch-up is going to be a cast-iron bitch.
In the meantime, when the penny drops, and you realize the people “who break the law and do not represent you” are the very government and its organs you won’t lift a finger to oppose, will your head explode? Or will you just sit there in stunned shock while smoke exits your ears?
Or in your theory of government, do unjust laws enforced by unjust thugs for unjust ends nonetheless constitute a binding power over you until serendipity and happy accident grant you a magical do-over, and restore your surrendered weapon(s) to you?
8,518,000 Virginians were kind of wondering, just for openers.
My two cents:
I think the difference between your position and mine is I want to win and you want to posture.
“Do not fight the LEOs and national guard” What could [possibly be wrong with that idea??? If the politicians are the ones you want to take out then take them out. A guillotine perhaps or draw and quarter them. I don’t recommend that kind of violence but if you must, then direct it at the actual enemy of our constitutional republic and not on the working class.
“The fight is political” It absolutely is. Serious violence will only work against you in the political fight making you look like Dylan Roof.
“Tell your people, your followers and supporters that you are a law abiding supporter of the constitution”. Absolutely!!! Make no mistake, over zealous supporters or carpet baggers planted into your movement by the opposition will doom your agenda.
Your choice is simple: To work hard and be effective in getting back our 2nd amendment gun rights or be loud mouthed posers intent on out macho-ing the other loud mouth posers and in the process doom your movement.
No. You don’t want to win. You want to virtue-signal, but without putting anything at risk, least of all the hide so precious to no one but you.
You won’t win by supplicating from a position of servitude.
You have nothing – NOTHING – you’d fight for.
War is the continuation of politics, by other means.
Politics without war is the United Nations. Name for the class all the victories they’ve won.
Show your work.
Abide by the constitution all you want.
So tell us, smart guy, when you have your Constitution, but the other side ignores it, and won’t play by those rules, what you’ll win…?
Here’s a hint or two:
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Anonymous and others like him are part of an obedience cult. This is 99% of the whole country. This country was founded on disobedience, not obedience. They have indoctrinated the people into a false sense of patriotism, whereas patriotism means to obey government and follow all laws. Historically, the most terrible things….war, genocide and slavery have resulted from obedience, not disobedience.
Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is the numbers of people all over the world who have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience… Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world, in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country. That’s our problem… people are obedient, all these herdlike people. Who is going to want to live in a fully controlled fully contained world like that? Humans were not meant to live like a domesticated species in a fenced in farm with a tag in their ear. BTW, voting is obedience too.
“Countless people will hate the new world order and will die protesting and fighting it.” ~ H.G. Wells
“The duty of a Patriot is to protect his country from its government.” – Thomas Paine
Battles of Lexington and Concord:
You might not even need to destroy much infrastructure to defeat the totalitarian Left, whether they control the government or not.
You have a main breaker in your house electrical system. I know you do, it’s a requirement of the National Electrical Code and common sense; you cannot maintain your electrical system without one!
The main grid systems and subsystems have them too, for the same reason.
What if they were thrown, during an uprising? The power goes down for whatever systems they serve.
Imagine a medium-sized city, with a hydropower generating plant, a few diesel turbines for backup / load leveling and three main networks, A (industrial), B (city / local services and hospital / utilities / vital services) and C (residential / all other). Now imagine the Deplorable Resistance assigns one specialist per circuit.
Specialist A is a hard-ass, mean as a rattlesnake. He shoots a hole in the bottoms of a couple oil-filled transformers, which lose their oil and burn out. Circuit A is down until someone locates / replaces every transformer he holed, which might take months (or YEARS, depending on make / model destroyed).
Specialist B is mean, but not that mean. He takes down the transmission wires with a Barrett M50 by breaking the insulators so they arc to ground and fail. Circuit B is down until someone (A) locates where he did it, (B) finds new insulators and (C) sends repairment up with a boom truck to replace / rewire. Probably at least a few days, maybe a few weeks until that circuit is back in service.
Specialist C is a sweetheart; he pulls the breakers on three power poles and leaves them alone. IF the electrical utility has a working trace board, they will see the problem immediately and be able to fix it IF Specialist C hasn’t poked holes in the tires on all the boom trucks, or hung around to make the repairmen nervous by sniping harmlessly at them to give them the nerves. Let’s say two days to locate / secure the area impaired and put the breakers back online; if he DAMAGED the breakers we’re back to weeks.
Once circuit B goes down, the government is powerless (literally) and their computers, communications and lights last as long as the supply of emergency diesel for the backup generators. If someone shot holes in the diesel tanks, that won’t be very long …
Anyway, disabling electrical infrastructure in simple, easy-but-long-to-fix ways will cripple the government response for significant time periods. And if I’ve thought of this, you can be sure others have as well ….
If the author wants to know what an armed confrontation between the citizenry and gov’t goons would look like, just review the footage from the Branch Dividians.
An initial confrontation would be a citizen’s AR-15 against armored vehicle plus full auto mil grade small arms. After a time, the citizen would still have the AR -15 while the goons call for backup, maybe a small tank, an Apache helicopter, or just pull an RPG out of the armored vehicle and blow the citizen’s whole building away.
The old saying – don’t bring a knife to a gun fight – is apropos. There’s no way to win an armed confrontation except if the goons decide to give in and not pursue the matter further after days or weeks of bloodshed.
Who wants to be the guinea pig to find out how far gov’t is willing to go realizing that the decision makers are ensconced behind protection layers deep and don’t give a shit about the volunteer expendable human weapons platforms out in the field.
Anonymous is dreaming, but so is the author.
The choice is not to be winning vs. losing as much as it is liberty or death. That’s why Patrick Henry said “Give me liberty or death”. You can die on your feet or live on your knees.
Or, you can avoid the confrontation by intelligently thinking about other options.
Bravado will get lots of people dead.
On your knees it is. Wipe your chin Solutions. You dont want to stain that blue dress.
Please describe for the readers how you intend to fight military grade weapons. I think it’s impossible, you obviously think you have a solution. Give it or shut up.
You don’t think beyond your nose.
The question being taking a stand for liberty, or reasoning yourself onto a bus and while you are driven away from your home, thinking oh well, I couldn’t have done anything anyway. And when they pull up to your cell block, thinking oh well, maybe they’ll have hot showers? And when you are marched up to the wall, you may have as your last thought; maybe I should have tried to do something with that jarhead down the street, instead of stepping onto the bus and forever surrendering my freedom.
Yes, some will die due to advanced weapons, but how many will rise up when such an atrocity happens? If you do resist and survive the first round, how many of your well stocked neighbors will go out to disrupt operations at a military base?
Once the first wave is done guerrilla warfare will be all the rage and can be highly effective against government forces; just ask the Afghan freedom fighters.
Final thought; it’s not so much about winning, as much as it is about standing your ground and banding together with like minded individuals.
If you think about it, if the government forces are truly overwhelming, your options are reasoning with them and trusting in their “justice,” or taking a stand and suffering possibly the consequences as a man still in charge of your destiny. Your call.
dr;Anonymous
“You don’t think beyond your nose.”
actually, that describes most confrontationists. “we’re righteous! we’re chosen! we have lots of ammo! we’ll win!”
Yep and God’s on our side too! We’ll win no doubt, you won last time:
“Causes of Civil War are also, that the Wealth of the Nation is in too few mens hands, and that no certain means are provided to keep all men from a necessity either to beg, or steal, or be Souldiers.” – William Petty
“I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.” – John Brown
“We’ll fight them, sir, ’til hell freezes over, and then, sir, we will fight them on the ice.” – Shelby Foote
The New York Times wrote, “It took moral heroism to tell the story that Winston Churchill unfolded to the House of Commons yesterday. Its meaning will not be lost upon the British people or their enemies, or upon those in the New World who know that the Allies today are fighting their own battle against barbarism.”
Solutions are Oblivious. You really haven’t a fucking clue have you?
How do you think Viet-Namese irregulars pulled off that decade + long thing in SE Asia mid 50s to ’73? Going back 20 years farther, why did the Germans have to keep so many divisions behind the front lines? We could go back even farther but you’ll learn more if you do the research on your own.
These days it’s called 4GW, but it’s really an older operating system than any standing army. One target at at time as opportunity is presented. No bravado, but lots of people still may die. The idea is to kill more of them until they stop fighting.
I hope you’re planning on being on the front lines of this Guerrilla War and that the Chinese and Russians will supply you with weapons, logistics, and general resupply.
Losing people like you with no critical thinking abilities wouldn’t be all bad.
What is your solution? Now is the time to show us why you came to this site. You are quite often the first to comment on every article. You are so quick to show us all how smart you are.
Answer the question.
Simple. I left.
“Simple. I left.”
… that doesn’t fix the problem. it just delays or transfers it, to when you’re in a less tenable position.
You are correct. I can’t fix the problem so I won’t pretend I can as some of the Rambo types believe.
Wars end. Today Germany and the Fed Gov get along. Vietnam and the Fed Gov are buddies. Fighting and potentially being killed for some temporary problem isn’t smart. Avoid the problem.
“Why fight for a flag when you can buy one for a nickel.” – Ezra Pound
Quoting Ezra Pound in an article about fighting back or being led away to enslavement?…how rich…..
“Following his arrest in May 1945, he was taken to the United States Army Disciplinary Training Center, north of Pisa, where he suffered three torturous weeks in a six-foot-square outdoor steel cage with a concrete floor. Apart from the solid roof, the cage offered no protection from the elements and Pound was exposed to blazing heat during the day, with floodlights illuminating his cage at night. After two and a half weeks he, reportedly, began to break under the strain.
At this point, Pound underwent psychiatric analysis and was deemed to be suffering a mental breakdown, thus he was released from the cage and transferred to a tent where he remained for five months until being deported to the United States in November 1945. Due to his condition he was not tried, but incarcerated in St. Elizabeth’s Hospital for the Mentally Ill in Washington D.C., where he was initially placed in solitary confinement in a windowless room with a heavy steel door. Shortly afterwards, he was moved to a regular ward, where he stayed for the next twelve years.”
How’d that conscientious objecting work out for him captain obvious?
Join the discussion…Has the US military “won” anywhere at any time in the last 50 yrs? Ok, Grenada. You got me.
The whole point of the wars is to not win. Not winning means a smoldering problem that requires lots of weapons to replenish the ones used up. That’s how the MIC gets rich.
But then you know this, so why ask?
You ran.. there, fixed it for you.
SAO, if you leave you ain’t worth shit. This is how we do it here on TBP. No one here is going to simply swallow everything anyone else says. You’ve made some good points but the solutions are far from obvious. What’s clear to me is that some shit may get serious. Or not.
I sleep sometimes.
If all you folks are convinced that fighting the US military with small arms is a rational idea, then go for it. I’m trying to tell you that they have weapons systems to make it impossible for you to fire your puny weapons.
I’ve done my duty to try to talk you out of suicide. Go for it if you must.
So, say, how’d that mighty U.S. military machine do in Vietnam?
How’s it doing in Afghanistan today after only two decades?
Maybe for bonus points, you can tell us how the Brits entire might did against an IRA that never numbered more than 5000 over a century?
You don’t stand toe-to-toe and shoot 5.56 at a tank, numbnuts.
You shoot the fuckers inside when they climb out to take a sh*t.
You shoot up the fuel tankers they need twice a day, so they’re immobile.
You tear up the log convoys trying to bring them ammo and food.
Then, when they’re immobile, unarmed, and confined to their coffins, you apply a wine bottle of half 87 octane, and half dish soap, with some glitter, and napalm them where they sit.
Their gunships and airbases are even more vulnerable, anytime they’re not in the air, which is about 98% of the time, forever.
Then you shoot up the trainees in school. The gamers here can tell the class the armor value of a Ny/Co OCP jacket, I’m sure.
And you let them all know that their families aren’t hands off either, since ours aren’t. Now 80% of them won’t leave the house, ever, and nobody’s joining the next class, because there’ll never be one.
Realizing they’re fighting their whole war deep inside enemy territory, the whole machine buttons up, and never leaves its bases until the government changes hands. Then they ally with the victors, once the dust settles. Odds are, being 50 IQ points brighter than you, they’ll never join such a battle in the first place, because they already know everything I’ve said, in their bones.
The police are even worse off, having less chance against the peasantry. Crown Vics and Chargers, and a bare couple of Bearcats, is an hour’s entertainment, at best, and then they’re afoot, with pistols, and no ammo. On their good days, they’re already outnumbered by actual crooks about 20:1 in most cities. You want to see how they do when you add even a fraction of pissed off citizenry?
They’ll fold in hours, and it’s over for them forever at that point.
That gets us to Wednesday of the Unpleasantness.
Thursday morning, things get spicy for the legislature, in a necks and ropes sort of way.
Only an idiot postulates an asinine set-piece battle, and expects everyone to sit like the Davidiots did, inside a wooden building, and counting on the good faith of the people who came to murder them.
In Waco v2.0, the cordon around the site is killed from behind, and you won’t beat back that attack when you have nowhere to retreat that’s safe, and are fighting running gun fights all the way to your death on the surrounding highways.
This is as old as the Little Big Horn and the Teutoburg Forest.
Anyone with five minutes’ education knows that. What you know of warfare could be written inside a thimble with a grease pencil.
Stay on the porch with the small dogs, and bone up.
And bandage up your junk to stop the bleeding from stomping all over it with your own cleats.
Now that was an old time epic beatdown.
Do not be an idiot all the time, SAO.
The “guerillas” are already well-armed. And they come from the areas where the supplies are. They will be the ones cutting the supply routes, and it will be the New Yorks, Californias, etc. that will have the supplies cut. fuel will be a weakness, but food will not, nor will weapons and logistics.
Dude, when you are in a hole stop digging. There are no front lines no uniforms no rules for the insurgents except don’t lose. No stand up fights, hit and melt away. Blow shit up melt away. We are grey we are legion we are everywhere and no where. The counter insurgents must learn to eat soup with a knife….. not so easy.
Mangina
What makes you think there will be any “front lines”? Read more.
On many subjects, SAO has reasonable instincts, but on others he is clueless.
Very simply, if it came to it, the armored vehicles would be of little value. Snipers and such would rule the world. The police would cower. The feds would cower. Etc.
Further, in general, the police will be the thugs, but the National Guard for instance will be loathe to go against the people, and might well, and will at times, switch sides. Same goes for the armed forces.
The police are where the majority of thugs will be recruited, as they are predisposed to viewing the public as the enemy. It is how it is always done.
The government simply cannot win a war against its people if the people are armed. People have mentioned Afghanistan – and that is a perfect example. Not even the Russians, ruthless as they are in such matters, could beat them. No way in hell the US govt could beat several million to perhaps tens of millions of well-armed rednecks versed in the ways of the woods, hunting, etc. It defies belief.
There are 3 things I am afeared of. 1) heat detectors, 2) apaches (not the American Indian kind) and 3) what I don’t know I don’t know.
Donkey – there is so much that you do not know you do not know, you must spend most of your life cowering under your bed.
😉
Under the covers, yes. Under the bed, not so much. 😉
I was just playing devils advocate. Apaches with heat detection is vewwy vewwy scawwy though.
I do think your “solutions” below, would have a huge impact.
There are countermeasures and counter-tactics including…an apache that can’t fly cannot make people die…..but yes heat detection is serious.
Heat detectors, infrared, thermal, whatever, are all available for civilians to buy today up to and including high power, high resolution night vision/thermal imaging scopes etc. Probably couldn’t source you an Apache but people can and would fly drones into them no doubt. One thing I can tell you is they are so loud you hear them coming miles away. The unknown unknowns are a bitch. Yet, both sides can have some.
Thermal and night vision is rough
Trouble is, you’re not well armed. You have limited ammo, little to no command and control and you’re relying on a lack of will by some of the thugs to use their advantage in fire power.
You may want to gamble your life on that, but I think it’s a fools bet.
The only possible way to stop all this ever encroaching totalitarian police state is to have the states secede en masse and have the Fed Gov face off against other gov’ts (state) where the state can organize a proper concentrated resistance using the local professional thugs and their training and weaponry to fight the other professional Fed thugs. It’s also a hearts and minds psyop. Get the people of an entire state to say ‘enough’ and the people of a neighboring state will provide all manner of support.
Attempting to do this lone wolf style is lunacy. You need all the people of a state to decide on resisting, not just a few Rambo wannabe future casualties.
Secession, once started by one state will set a fire the Fed Gov couldn’t put out. It would spread and in short order the Fed Gov would disappear like fart gas.
What the fuck are you talking about? Not well armed? What are you, an imbecile? Do you have any idea what arms flyover folks have? How much ammo? What reload capacity? Barrels of powder, lots of lead, and reloaders? Guns out the ass by the hundreds of millions?
Hell, boy, I know people that have 1,000,000 rounds in stock personally. And there is no knowing how many untold hundreds of millions of rounds are ready to be loaded. Arms will not be an issue.
And it will not be lone wolf if it comes to it. But even if say 10,000, or 100,000 good old boys went tropical, the govt would cave. A very small percentage of the population sniping govt employees, and it would be an unwinnable situation for the govt. And they would not be targeting the law enforcement types – they would be targeting soft govt target types – local politicians, IRS employees, postal delivery folks, mayors, congresspeople, etc. The whole govt droneset would be afraid to come out of their hideyholes.
I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Do not need luck. My previous efforts secured my future. But thanks for the thought.
It’s an employer’s last fuck you line when they fire someone.
I don’t believe he was being genuine.
I noticed that too. But you know me, HSF, I always belief in giving folks the benefit of the doubt!
“postal delivery folks”
you’re … going to shoot postmen?
When it comes to it, every gov employee will be fair game. Just how it is. They will need to pick a side.
But not me personally – I cannot believe I would take up arms against my fellow countrymen. They have chosen their lot, as is their right. They have chosen badly.
go read Steinbeck’s The Moon is Down to grasp what resistance is all about….
I also know some who already have determined strategic bridges and roadways to be blown and blockaded/mined if we had societal collapse. Others are construction/demolition guys with lots of “demolitions” ( I think lotsa people order black powder by the keg for making their own shells?… 10,000 rounds of .308 cartridges for weapons that range at 100 to 300 yards and thermal scopes can cause a lot of problems…. the only obvious thing is SOB’s naivety.
Police stations and field barracks ( if the military even sided with the govt) would be “soft targets– gotta eat and sleep sometime… one second you’re eating a plate of k-rations, the next you are slumped over with the back of your head gone and a .308 sized hole in the forehead. Might make some of them question which side they should be fighting on.
If the Viets and Afghanis can essentially win against Russian and the US militaries– what are a few thousand cops going to do against the masses of 88% of American counties? ( 88% is the number of counties nationwide who voted Trump because they believed his schtik.)
Incrementalism is what holds any such revolutionary action at bay by the hoi polloi. Also you are correct in that it would take an coordinated and aggregate effort of a minority to get on board with the idea of disobeying tyranny. This is what holds all of us down, is the lack of numbers of people willing to make a sacrifice. Everybody wants to keep their possessions and their lives intact. The founders didn’t give a shit about such materialism and neither should we. The founders cared far more for their posterity than modern Americans today do.
The revolutionary period was one where the people had the local turf and knew it like the back of their hand. The Brits had logistics issues and could only field so many future casualties. Weaponry was relatively equal on both sides.
The locals were also forced into the conflict with few other options once the Brits decided to teach them a lesson. The actions by the brits were seen as unjust and the population largely supported the resistance.
Today, how does an AR stack up against a small cannon, both being percussion weapons?
How many sound cannon’s does the resistance own? How many directed energy weapons can the resistance field? Modern weaponry that only the gov’t has can blanket an area with directed sound and radiation that no human can stand. The microwave weapon in particular heats the water in skin and your eyeballs. Tough to shoot when you can’t see.
Today, half the people want the deplorables disarmed and preferably dead even without an overt conflict. When half the population won’t help what will instantly be labels terrorists, subversives, white supremacists, etc, the chances of an uprising succeeding is near nil.
Okay, so what now? Wave the white flag? Again, live on you knees or die on your feet? What do you suggest we do, vote harder?
Ghandi never fired a shot and got the Brits kicked out of India. He used his brains which is what I suggest folks smart enough to know there’s a problem do. The bulk of the population is in a coma. They’re the debris you have to wade through.
A. Secession movements
B. Anything to starve the beast to bring on the economic collapse which they are preparing for before they can implement their solution. It’s going to happen anyway, so do it ASAP.
C. Fix your income so you lower your tax liability
D. Stop being nice to gov’t thugs so they feel like outsiders in their own country; good old shunning
E. Save your vitriol for when you get in front of a city council, not for folks like me as I mean you no harm; they do. You have my admiration if you call them fucktards, assholes, etc out loud and preferably in front of a recording device to be replayed on the Web.
The big difference is the British Colonials already had decided to give up on the colonies post-WWII…..in America it will be civil war and they will be trying to kill us……Gandhi doesn’t work in that context.
If it were the Soviets instead of the Brits in India, then Ghandi would’ve been executed immediately and no one would’ve ever heard of him. Who do our enemies in the FUSA most closely resemble today, the 1775 Brits or the Soviet Russians?
Kesserling would be a good study.
Rear guard action. Spider holes etc.
“Solutions” reasoning is sound for a beginner, just not imaginative.
That’s your plan?
The plan….and moving to the Caribbean….
What is interesting here are the hypothetical musings since none of us know how we’ll actually react in certain situations. I’m watching Virginia, that should be an excellent bellwether. That should prove interesting since over 70% of the counties are disobeying the elected officials decrees. Where it goes only time will tell but I guarantee that the idiot governor will not call out the National Guard and risk that group disobeying too.
Wasn’t succession tried once already?
I am ready to have the American Redoubt secede and annex western Canada….we will have to have a port, sorry Seattle and portland…..but I strongly believe you will like living in Venezuela.
Read today’s article by Buchanan. It’s been tried dozens of times with much success.
Spare me the ‘but not here’ reply.
We’ve only tried failure, not success.
Err…..Hong Kong…..lone wolf….take the L and move.
Like when the South tried to succeed from the Union? How’d that work out?
The attempted Southern secession didn’t succeed.
Every thing has to begin somewhere and multiply.
It sounds like you and yours deserve to be slaves.
Some must lead so others will follow.
The true price of liberty is often the blood of the liberators.
Spoken like a true Christian.
The blood of Jesus had to be poured out and His body broken on our behalf to save us or liberate us from our sins.
The blood of 11 of the twelve apostles were spilled as well.
The colosseum games came to an end by the self sacrificial christian martyr.
We must die to self to live for Christ and others.
Spiritually or physically the cost of freedom is death to self.
Scripturally those who die to self will live and those who live for self will die.
Christianity 101
Says the man ensconced on his island in the Caribbean. You must be in a compound. I have seen what rastas do to a smaller party of tourists in the USVI.
Katrina showed us not to depend on the police nor to submit to them. When critical mass is achieved it won’t be lone wolf. but lots of wolves picking targets of opportunity.
Miles Long,
The reasons for what you say are because the Vietnamese were Vietnamese and the Germans were Germans. Here in the US the government is looking for affirmative action hires and those people will gladly take those jobs. When you hear the word patriot, what do you picture.
Yeah, my neighbors are going to get together. As soon as they hear that the post office is hiring.
I think that all the people who fired the first shot in this war are dead already. Yeah, you didn’t even hear the shot. And the all the whistle blowers who didn’t pull them pistols literally are whistling Dixie behind bars. And ain’t no one stormin’ those gates. They way it is today is that everything is someone else’s problem. And if everyone just waits everything is going to go back to normal.
Yeah, I know, but what are YOU going to do about it. Does anyone even talk to their neighbors? And if they do, it’s surely not about anything as radical as some “revolution”. Know why, the mf’ers will have you flagged. LOL
SM… Not sure what your ramble is actually about, but if you’re asking me what I’m going to do, I cant say for certain until circumstance & opportunity is presented. If I had a plan I’d be a damned fool to tell everyone on the internet. Wouldn’t I?
My reply to you is above. And these sites are watched. Some of these posters are just here to bait people into saying some stupid shit after their 6th beer. But there is no breathalyzer to confirm that. So your words will be used against you later. Whether you calmed down and sobered doesn’t matter. “Do I have to have the court reporter repeat what you said!!!!!”? ………Uh yes, please.
I didn’t mean you personally Miles, sorry if it sounded that way. I’m just saying that it’s pretty hard to form a consensus in the US today. The cities are too diversified for the people there to even come together on the most trivial things. It’s an automatic, well if you feel that way, then I don’t. And by that it seems that people don’t stand on their own principles anymore. They argue that everyone is different and the more different most times the better. Except when it comes to ethnicity. Every group except white people tend to band together. And as you know it’s happening all over the world.
What I rambled on about is that the Vietnamese had a common enemy and a common ethnicity that bound them together if their fight, while the Germans had somewhat the same. Though I know you were talking about tactics when you mention those two.
At this point though, the people on this blog are miles apart in distance, but close in their views. That doesn’t form much of a defense. And in this fight there are no lines though people seem to imagine them. Even with their plan of fighting a 4G battle.
The neighbors that I have in the city pretty much have no clue of what’s going on and they don’t care. Everything they know comes from the TV. There, they are feed bs everyday and they like it. Thinking to them is abhorrent. So if you like to think out of the box and see things differently than they do, they will keep you out of their box. And their box is as disorganized as it can get. But it’s what they know. A comfort zone that’s not that comfortable. But are willing to wait for someone to fix it for them. But that someone is not you telling them they have to fix it themselves.
For ML, I hit the wrong reply to.
The word sabotage came from the actions of people who were forced to work in factories for the enemy. Often a wooden shoe (sabot) would accidentally find its way into the machinery.
WOLVERINE !!!
.22….are you still out there? Quit sulking.
Come on back buddy…we’re getting ready to go all WOLVERINE on these sons of bitches and daughters of witches!
I miss the crazed one….where is .22?
He got pissed off and said he was leaving…he may be lurking.
I think he was going through some hard times with his ex-wife too, gatsby1219 Wolverine comment reminded me of him, he is a Red Dawn fan.
Hell, a lot of us might end up Wolverines.
Check this out, fits this thread:
” intelligently think about other options”..as you said, Give Them or shut the fuck up, pussy
Let’s hear one of your “obvious” solutions sistah.
Err maybe you missed every war fought by the best military the world has ever seen against goat fuckers and pederasts since WWII. We are good at blowing shit up not so good at actually winning. Google 4th Gen warfare and do some learning.
Plenty have done so. Vietnam. Afghanistan.
“Or, you can avoid the confrontation by intelligently thinking about other options.”
yes. but the other options deliberately will be walled off and shut down because if they think they can win a full-on confrontation they’ll mandate it and push it for all they’re worth.
You are correct. That’s why thinking ahead as all you folks are doing now is crucial. Just don’t overestimate your capabilities or the reluctance or bumbling of trained killers with weapons you’ve never even seen before.
If you mistakenly decide that conflict with what in essence is the US military and all their advanced weaponry, then you’re going to lose unless the military turns on the various gov’ts. Since the military has been the chief thief (21 Trillion stolen and unaccounted for) for decades, they are the deep state along with the spook agencies and contractors, and they’re looking at getting hung should they lose. Therefore, they won’t lose because they have the fire power advantage, the media advantage and half the population will be rooting for team ‘thank you for your service’.
When brute force meets brute force, the larger version wins.
It will not be brute against brute. It ill be surgical sniping, IEDs, etc. against brute. The brute will be hit by a thousand cuts. And will eventually withdraw. Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. are all examples. Plus the small fellow will stop the US economy in its tracks. If it really were to come to it.
There’s a microwave directed energy weapon burning your skin and starting to boil the water in your eyes. It is absolutely silent and can be aimed specifically to focus on your house from a considerable distance away. It’s operator is shielded inside an armored vehicle and directs the beam via camera.
Now tell me what good are your million rounds of ammo?
Stop being naive; it will get you killed.
Seriously, you are rock stupid. But yes, people will die. There are worse things. But a small percentage of guerillas will win the day. They always do.
What about swarming drones? I heard that they have those too. The ones that show up in numbers in front of your face and give you a .22 right between the eyes, which were dropped from aircraft. And with these shot spotters that are all over big cities now they can target where a shot came from within feet. I would guess shot spotters would do very well against snipers. And as remember one thing from the article about the drones, they said that the drones had facial recognition capabilities too. It really all sounds like something out a science fiction movie.
I’ve seen some really amazing drone demonstrations on youtube a long time ago. I’m sure that they have gotten better at it. And with all the money that they have at their disposal, they surely have a lot more of them too.
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Shot Spotter: defeated by a $2 string of firecrackers, and any intervening walls’ and buildings’ echoes.
(Not to mention, unless you’re going to put 20 rounds of 25mm into the guesstimated location within about 2 seconds, that’s not going to work. Doubly so if your shooter decides to shoot from another government building. Or a no-shoot target full of non-combatants. Mall, school, church, office building, etc. Fire on that, and you radicalize another 2000 people against TPTB. This is how insurgency works, kids. They win, you lose.)
Facial recognition: defeated by sunglasses, an eye-patch or bandage, longer hair, a simple face mask, balaclava, or $1 nose-and-eyeglasses from the corner supermarket toy aisle.
Color me Not Impressed.
FFS people, if this stuff was really the shizz, and 100% foolproof, we wouldn’t be dragging out of Iraq, Syria, and A-stan tails-between-our-legs, after squandering trillion$ in treasure and thousands of our best guys, all for nothing, against a bunch of goathumpers with bolt action rifles.
Vietnam ring any bells?
Beuller?
Ferris Beuller…?
The only way to defeat a people who won’t quit is to kill them all, or at least enough to cow the others, and that’s hard when it’s your own population. It took Stalin 20M+, and Mao 80M+ slaughtered to get there, and even now, it’s still not working in either place.
This reality is the worst-kept secret in history, and it’s still news to some here. If that’s any of you reading this, go back to your high schools and punch your teachers in the throat, please. Many of you were gypped out of a functional education.
The only guys there who got it right were the sports coaches most of you never had, who told their teams presciently and with 100% accuracy,
“Winners never quit, and quitters never win.”
By your name I’m sure that you are good at fables.
I have a feeling that they will know it’s you by your bandolero of fire crackers and the Groucho Marx glasses. Especially if you are in the vicinity of any cameras that are linked to the state. They are now in most communities, while also wanting to link doorbell cameras to the police departments too.
Shot spotters pick up on gunshots which are supersonic. Yes they sometimes make mistakes. But throwing firecrackers around you and saying you were just playing with firecrackers isn’t going to cut it.
So how do you kill 100 million people? You pay 25 million people to do it for you I guess. Which comes to point where you run into that church, do you think that there might be one of the 2000 who will just point you out. Or all they would need to do is to point one gun at one persons head and then ask, where’s he at? And if these people were at work, or in a church, why weren’t they out there helping you instead? I know, they were part of the plan, they weren’t really praying, they were laying in wait.
Here’s a clue. They weren’t able to kill 100 million people all at once. They did it mostly one at a time because the people around them didn’t think that they would be next. Useful idiots.
I’m thinking of upvoting myself. lol
Based on your grasp of reality, it’s probably the only way it’s going to happen.
Aesop spelled backwards is posea. And I think you be a pose-ah. How does it feel to live in a virtual reality world? And I’m not here for the votes up or down. But they do say something about the people who hang around here. I see upvotes for and from people who are in surely in a clique of long time TBP’ers who have now acquired a hive type mind. People who pet others confirmation bias and therefore their own. So take off the Groucho glasses, they don’t do a thing for you. And light off some firecrackers in March and see what happens. There’s a reason that the police sit in viaducts on the Fourth of July and on New Year’s Eve. All the other days they’re doing their job looking for people like you who have it all figured out. So bring out those two military divisions that you have laying in wait too.
I’m interested in your hypothesis SAO.
If all you say is correct then why can we do the same in Afghanistan? It would seem in the military’s best interest to win, before 18 years elapse.
Why would all of this great technologically overwhelming weapons and military line of command work when brothers are sent to kill brothers, rather than in Afghanistan where the troops are just killing Hajis and protecting their brother next to them?
You seem to have a complete flat spot as it applies to the armed forces, probably based on simple lack of interaction. I don’t think you understand how they operate in reality.
Allfather, they did win, it was a drug war.
The whole point of all the wars since WW-II has been to not win but to waste as much weaponry as possible to require the MIC to manufacture more. It’s for the Benjamins.
The mountains and jungles of recent wars are not to be compared with US cities.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
And Communism didn’t work this time, because the wrong people were trying it.
And the check is in the mail.
Look, when someone undoes your elaborately-crafted castle of buffalo chips with one paw swipe, it’s time to get out of the ring, kid.
You should stick to bloviating about things of which you know.
You’re clearly in about 100′ over your head here, and your clever Breath-Holding Technique ain’t getting it done.
Come back and try again after you get through junior high, or can at least make your points beyond that grade level.
All you are here is Tom Cruise in TAPS.
It doesn’t end well for you.
SAO, why would a sane person try to fight that weapon head on?
You aren’t saying “tactics” don’t work, are you?
To be fair he has no prior service. To the inexperienced the military may seem invulnerable. What would be very different in the US is that there are half a billion weapons, 20 million veterans, 4 million square miles and every person serving in the military has family living in the combat space vulnerable to partisans/guerrillas. The complete active duty military is less than 2 million, most of whom are REMF’s or deployed overseas. I have no idea what the breakdown in loyalties are, but you’d better assume a considerable number of them will defect with their equipment and arms, maybe as many as half.
This won’t be like any other conflict in history.
And as my favorite American philosopher once quipped, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”
Don’t forget to take into account that almost every “service” provided is now contracted out to private “minority” owned businesses so that the food served to troops, the linens washed for troops and even the aircraft and vehicle maintenance is controlled by Union thugs and Burrowcrats.
Armed security at the military gates are provided by “rent-a-gate-guard.”
Pensacola Naval Air Station was/is a gun-free zone.
How does it do when you napalm it from behind?
So you’re gonna need infantry support.
How does it move when the roads are mined?
Oops. More infantry, and engineers.
What happens when it runs out of gas?
So now you need a huge log tail. Bases.
Which have to be protected by…more infantry.
So your Magic Microwave (which stuff has been around for forty years, sooper genius, this is nothing new) needs about a 20:1 tail:tooth ratio, to attack one target. Forever.
And requires a flawless infrastructure, including open roads, just to be moved into position.
More patrols. More infantry. Needing more cooks and bakers, more ordnance and supply, more medical support, more boots and socks and gasoline and underwear and toothpaste, and so on, and so on, and so on.
And more tail requires even more tail.
Which has to be guarded 24/7/365, everywhere, all the time, or it just becomes WalMart for the resistance.
That just makes this easier for the resistor by the minute.
Anybody with a silenced .22 (that’s metal window screen, a couple of rubber washers, and a piece of tubing, btw), and a bottle of gasoline or soda can of thermite (which is only available to 300M Americans right now, for about $5@) can turn thousands to millions of $$ worth of that into so much ash in about an hour. Google “water balloon catapult” for us, and tell us how far out you can launch that on a depot, from what range, and realize you can put it in a pickup truck in about 20 seconds.
And one guy with a .50BMG rifle a mile away takes your Magic Microwave out for weeks, to forever. The important bits are out on top, and not that armored at all, nor can be.
O, if only civilians had access to .50BMG Barrett rifles!
Oh wait, they have, for 40 years.
And shoot with them monthly, far more often and in higher numbers than the .mil does.
Especially out in flyover country.
Your juvenile shpiel is that of someone who learned everything he knows of warfare solely from reading comic books, and playing with a bag of little green army men.
Many of us had a more rigorous first-hand education, slick.
You’re the most dangerous example of Dunning-Kruger on the internet: you don’t even know what you don’t even know. It’s like Chinese algebra word problems to you, and you can’t even tell if it’s coming at you in Mandarin or Cantonese.
Maybe poker’s not your game, Ike.
I know! Let’s try a spelling bee.
Yep, so will patriotism, it takes a pile of dead soldiers to win – it’s the cost of doing business I am afraid. Not saying it’s right – it just is the way politics by other means pans out, always.
‘Give me safety, or give me death’ is, apparently, the “obvious” solution.
With that attitude, you should go buy some kneepads.
And you should purchase a cemetery plot.
Sorry about the nose face comment, I’m glad that instead of just leaving , you have a plan. Now we can discuss the benefits/limitations of what to do.
First, the type of government that will be in place when you attempt to reason With them, with the way things are going, is looking a little like the jack boot on your neck kind of government, so if that is the case, you might consider a slight adjustment to your plan; just ask the relatives of the Chinese, Russian, Cambodian and Jewish (scratch Jewish and write in Armenian, if you’re into the hoax thing) deceased who also thought reasoning was a good way out.
Your plan has weight if indeed the government in question has your back and will not trample all over your rights; but if the government today is already using your rights as toilet paper to wipe their butt with, the coming government will probably not be as gracious.
So I would say that it is a good idea to expect the worst and prepare accordingly. If you think reason can still rule the day, you can always turn your hardware in. But, if your told to get on the bus or else, at least you can still choose as you can now, just remember that once you put your life in your oppressors hands, you will not be making an independent decision for the rest of your probably greatly shortened life.
Good luck with your future and I truly do hope sanity will be victorious and that your way is the best, it just doesn’t look that way to me.
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“Cucking is Obvious”… fixed it for you
lol. Tell that to the uneducated goat fucking Taliban who have fought off the only World Super Power in Afghanistan for 18 years, and will soon be the only power in Afghanistan.
Like the generals, you are fighting the last war.
If the police or politicos or any other chooses to enforce unconstitutional laws then they become anti -American and are enemies of the people worthy of the results they will engender.
I’m not the original “Anonymous” or “My two cents” but here’s my 2 bits. We must never disarm, but at the same token, timing of armed conflict must be right if not perfect. Pull the trigger, pun intended, to soon and lose the backing of the people and your fight is lost. Look at the US in Vietnam, and Russia and now US in Afghanistan. If an insurgency has the hearts of the people behind them, the most powerful military available will never be able to win. I have no answers and pray that things do not devolve into armed conflict, but if they do it must happen at the right time or all is lost. Keep your powder dry and watch your six.
“your fight is in court not with the police”
then you’ve probably already lost the fight. they don’t care about the law, their goal is power.
“Don’t forget they are painting you as rabid killers who are armed.”
don’t forget they’ll paint you as rabid killers who are armed no matter what you do or don’t do. they don’t care about the truth, their goal is power.
“fight this at the ballot box.”
you’ll be overwhelmed by voter fraud and fake ballots. they don’t care about legitimacy, their goal is power.
“you are a law abiding supporter of the constitution”
they’ll say you broke the(ir) law whether you do or not. they don’t care about law, their goal is power.
the purpose of power is power. the purpose of control is control. the purpose of torture is torture.
Thank you for posting your reply. I read the original post and was just flummoxed by the poor critical thinking skills that emanates from a debt slave robot like the original poster. This line of thinking is odious; smells like dog shit you missed on your boot and surreptitiously brought it into the house.
I’m walking the knife’s edge on whether we punish these imbeciles, or if it is a waste of time and effort (P.S. I don’t care about “optics” any more as it’s just surrendering in advance of the action).
It seems this opportunity was worth it as you are able to illuminate the priciples behind such actions.
Great article.
Allfather
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/12/16/missing-midland-texas-ballot-box-could-throw-bond-election-question/
This is so sad to discover that Anon has been infected with the virus of inaction, succumbing to the government propaganda and Deep State boondoggles; as the writer correctly identifies – he has taken the MSM rhetoric of risking nothing, hunker down and hope the bombs miss you.
If my dad had taken this line in 1939 we would all be under the Teutonic heel now; Oh, on reflection perhaps the Nobel Knights did win the war eventually, at least in Europe they did!
There is only one way to fight evil and win and that is to use better weapons and a dedicated and committed army. The Romans knew how, Cromwell with his ‘model army’ did so and the British were the first to put tanks on the battlefield, at the battle of the Somme in September 1916.
A few lessons there for Anon?
I’m just going to leave this right here. Maybe SAO will read it.
https://ammo.com/articles/asymmetrical-warfare-4gw-americas-domestic-viet-cong
I always felt we were “preparing” a place here and then, at some mystical future time after I departed this rough plane, the bad stuff was gonna happen.
I didn’t sign on for this remnant stuff.
“Hillbilly Viet Cong”