The Case Against Socialism

Guest Post by John Stossel

The Case Against Socialism

Sen. Rand Paul just wrote a book, “The Case Against Socialism.”

I thought that case was already decided, since socialist countries failed so spectacularly.

But the idea hasn’t died, especially amongst the young.

“Hitler’s socialism, Stalin’s socialism, Mao’s socialism. You would think people would have recognized it by now,” says Paul in my latest video.

Paul echoes Orwell in likening socialism to “a boot stamping on the human face forever” and warning that it always leads to violence and corruption.

“You would think that when your economy gets to the point where people are eating their pets,” says Paul, contemplating the quick descent of once-rich Venezuela, “people might have second thoughts about what system they’ve chosen.”

That’s a reference to the fact that Venezuelans have lost weight because food is so hard to find.

“Contrast that with (the country’s) ‘Dear Leader’ Maduro, who’s probably gained 50 pounds,” Paul observes. “It really sums up socialism. There’s still a well-fed top 1%; they just happen to be the government or cronies or friends of the government.”

Naturally, American socialists say our socialism will be different.

“When I talk about democratic socialism,” says Sen. Bernie Sanders, “I’m not looking at Venezuela. I’m not looking at Cuba. I’m looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden.”

Paul responds, “They all wind up saying, ‘The kinder, gentler socialism that we want is Scandinavia … democratic socialism.’ So we do a big chunk of the book about Scandinavia.”

Paul’s book is different from other politicians’ books. Instead of repeating platitudes, he and his co-author did actual research, concluding, “It’s not true that the Scandinavian countries are socialist.”

Scandinavia did try socialist policies years ago but then turned away from socialism. They privatized industries and repealed regulations.

Denmark’s prime minister even came to America and refuted Sanders’ claims, pointing out that “Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy.”

In fact, in rankings of economic freedom, Scandinavian countries are near the top.

“They have private property, private stock exchanges,” says Paul. “We learned that, actually, Bernie is too much of a socialist for Scandinavia!”

Scandinavia did keep some socialist policies, like government-run health care. The media claim that’s why Swedes live longer, but Paul says: “This is the trick of statistics. You can say, ‘The Swedes live longer, and they have socialized medicine!’ Yet if you look hard at the statistics, it started way before socialized medicine.”

Scandinavians already lived longer 60 years ago, and they also had lower rates of poverty. That’s because of Scandinavian culture’s emphasis on self-reliance and hard work. Paul reminded me of an anecdote about economist Milton Friedman.

“This Swedish economist comes up to him and says, ‘In Sweden, we have no poverty!’ Friedman responds, ‘Yeah, in America, we have no poverty among Swedish Americans!'”

In fact, Swedes have 50% higher living standards in the U.S. than when they stay in Sweden. Danish Americans, too. Socialism can’t take the credit.

But the most important argument against socialism is that it crushes freedom.

Socialists get elected by promising fairness and equality, but Paul points out: “The only way you can enforce those things is to have an equality police or a fairness police, and ultimately they show up with truncheons. … The best kind of socialist leader ends up having to be ruthless because you can’t be a kinder, gentler socialist leader and get the property.”

By contrast, capitalism largely lets individuals make their own choices.

“It’s a direct democracy every day,” says Paul. “You vote either for Walmart or you vote for Target. You vote with your feet, with your wallet. People who succeed are the people who get the most votes, which are dollars. And as long as there’s no coercion, seems to me that that would be the most just way of distributing a nation’s economy.”

It’s not perfect, but look at the track record of the alternative, says Paul: “Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez, Maduro. It doesn’t work.”

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32 Comments
Donkey
Donkey
December 18, 2019 3:52 pm

Come on, can’t we say America has been, in many ways, a socialist country for decades now?

Donkey
Donkey
  Donkey
December 18, 2019 3:53 pm

You think the American government doesn’t take care of themselves first just like Maduro et al?

starfcker
starfcker
  Donkey
December 18, 2019 5:10 pm

WIP, people need to be able to get the things that they need to live their lives. The old American System of competitive capitalism was great. Your fortunes rose or fell depending on how much effort you wanted to expand. If every segment of the economy is going to be controlled by monopoly and there is no opportunity, then you are going to have to have socialism, because at the end of the day, people need to get the things that they need to live. We need to remove the parasites from the top of the economic pie. It’s going to be ugly. But it needs to happen

Donkey
Donkey
  starfcker
December 18, 2019 5:22 pm

Star,

I made those comments because this book by Rand is only about 6, 7 or 15 decades late.

As to your comment…isn’t it funny how some people seem to say, “Let them eat cake”?

If people can’t take care of themselves through opportunity (yes, even low IQ Dindus), then someone is going to have to do it. Somehow.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  starfcker
December 18, 2019 5:30 pm

Would that include Musk?

starfcker
starfcker
  Anonymous
December 18, 2019 6:23 pm

Keep telling yourself that, dumbass. I got nothing but downvotes suggesting the stock might be a buy on June 15th at $215 . The poor begat the poor. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-stock-closes-at-record-nears-400-2019-12-18

Anonymous
Anonymous
  starfcker
December 19, 2019 1:41 am

I could give a rotten damn about your attention to downvotes.

Tesla stock is booming, sure but at whose expense?
Your sentence,

We need to remove the parasites from the top of the economic pie.

Musk still receives taxpayer subsidies.
Successful or not, he’s still a parasite.

starfcker
starfcker
  Anonymous
December 19, 2019 2:48 am

That “parasite” employs almost 50,000 Americans

Anonymous
Anonymous
  starfcker
December 19, 2019 8:43 am

So does Alphabet/Google.
So does the Federal Government.
What’s your point?

Just admit it, Musk gives you tingles up your leg.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  Donkey
December 18, 2019 4:21 pm

From what I have observed you are correct in your assumption Donkey.

Miles Long
Miles Long
December 18, 2019 3:59 pm

What about FDRs socialism?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Miles Long
December 18, 2019 7:03 pm

That was a mix of socialism and economic fascism.

gman
gman
December 18, 2019 4:52 pm

norwegian and swedish socialism seems successful and the people happy.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  gman
December 18, 2019 5:22 pm

Swedes are in trouble. You are not up to date. Muslims hordes are killing it.

Norway has huge oil reserves, but even that is starting to not bring in enough to prop tup their huge social spending bill.

Look deeper. Do some research.

gman
gman
  Llpoh
December 18, 2019 6:09 pm

“Muslims hordes are killing it.”

and this has what to do with socialism?

starfcker
starfcker
  gman
December 18, 2019 6:27 pm

They give them more welfare than the native Swedes. and they could keep encouraging more Muslim hordes to settle there. Do the math, dumbass. And there’s a little thing called hand grenades. That’ll keep people happy.

gman
gman
  starfcker
December 18, 2019 6:34 pm

“They give them more welfare than the native Swedes.”

and this is an issue with socialism itself? seems more like an issue with swedes themselves.

“dumbass”

sound like a leftist. can’t make your case with anyone if you can’t acknowledge and accommodate obvious facts.

starfcker
starfcker
  gman
December 18, 2019 6:52 pm

You have no obvious facts. Would you like to live in Sweden? No thanks.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  gman
December 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Are you being deliberately obtuse? What is welfare? What does Socialism propose to accomplish? How is welfare for illegals not an issue of socialism? If you don’t bother to research what socialism is and what it does then you’re either very lazy or not too bright.

gman
gman
  Mygirl...maybe
December 19, 2019 10:49 am

“Are you being deliberately obtuse?”

no, you’re being short-sighted. you have your ideology and you’re sticking to it regardless of whether or not it fits in any given situation. makes for a clean and decisive mental life, but the real-world results may not be appropriate to the real world situation.

“how is welfare for illegals not an issue of socialism?”

because it’s an issue of illegals, not socialism itself.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  gman
December 19, 2019 1:53 am

Gman, you are posting this shit fro the back of the short bus, right? I mean, regular type morons are smarter than you. Here, I tried to provide you some info, and point you on the path of actually learning something, but you go full retard instead.

For a laugh, look up what a beer costs in Norway, for instance, and get back to me as to how great it is.

gman
gman
  Llpoh
December 19, 2019 10:44 am

“look up what a beer costs in Norway, for instance, and get back to me as to how great it is.”

your measure of political and social success is how much beer costs?

actually, given your other posts so far, your measure of success for anything seems to be if you personally don’t like it then it’s wrong.

starfcker
starfcker
December 18, 2019 5:07 pm

Pitchman like Stossel truly are the lowest form of life. Socialism is not our problem. Oligarchy is. One thing is obvious. Stossel came cheap. What a dirtbag

Donkey
Donkey
  starfcker
December 18, 2019 5:27 pm

Yes, Oligarchs are the problem. Fo sho.

Q: how many gibs-me-dats are in corporations and government?

A: millions

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 18, 2019 5:28 pm

I can guarantee going forward that the migrants flooding Sweden will live longer, native Swedes……..

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
December 18, 2019 8:02 pm

Stossel is not worried about socialism for the rich, he’s only worried about socialism for the masses.

Paul echoes Orwell in likening socialism to “a boot stamping on the human face forever” and warning that it always leads to violence and corruption.

The US is under capitalism and look at the totalitarian police state it has produced and is in effect.

“Contrast that with (the country’s) ‘Dear Leader’ Maduro, who’s probably gained 50 pounds,” Paul observes. “It really sums up socialism. There’s still a well-fed top 1%; they just happen to be the government or cronies or friends of the government.”

Would that be anything like the ‘socialism for the rich’ that we have today in AmeriKa because of so-called capitalism?

But the most important argument against socialism is that it crushes freedom.

Again, how in the fuck are Americans free in the totalitarian nightmare of the United Police States Of AmeriKa under capitalism now? We have a capitalistic criminal justice system in which if you have money you can have justice. If you don’t have money, you cant have justice. If you don’t believe me then just ask Hillary Clinton and Kristian Saucier.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/ex-sailor-pardoned-trump-sues-obama-and-comey-not-prosecuting-hillary

But the most important argument against socialism is that it crushes freedom.

And Americans are more free under oligarch rulers who bribe the government under a program called ‘lobbying’ that makes them more rich by the transferring of wealth from the bottom to the top? That’s not capitalism. That’s a plutocracy asshole!

“It’s a direct democracy every day,” says Paul. “You vote either for Walmart or you vote for Target. You vote with your feet, with your wallet.

That’s bullshit when they are the only game in town. A monopoly and oligopoly is all that exists now. Ma and pa shops are extinct while the Waltons make $70,000 per minute feeding you GMO food and Chinese garbage. Why because they’re just about the only game in town now with Target and a few other exceptions and thats all. Now take whatever you have leftover and give it to the robber barons in the most expensive health care system in the world, the US Medical Industrial Complex.

When you the milk cow run out of milk, you can always become a beef cow. There’s your choices Rand is talking about. Is this a vote for socialism? Of course not! But when so-called capitalism exist as it does today, as theft, plunder and ‘socialism for the rich’, then that isn’t an alternative to consider any more than socialism for the hoi poi. Why, because it’s socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else. If you want to eliminate socialism, then eliminate it for all. No more bailouts, no more corporate subsidies, no more QE and REPOS. Make the rich have to work for their money like the rest do. That would truly be capitalism or free markets, not the way Rand describes it.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
December 18, 2019 8:18 pm

“It’s a direct democracy every day,” says Paul.

Bullshit. If it was a direct democracy we wouldn’t need 535 cocksuckers called ‘congressmen’ like you with no term limits as well. Swamp ass SOB’s. That’s what makes this a representative democracy i.e totalitarianism, instead of a direct democracy as you say. How much corporate donor money have you gotten lately Rand? You, just like the 535 others work for the profits of US corporations, not for the American people. It’s a corporatocracy and fascist dictatorship, not a democracy as you state. If it were a democracy, you and 535 others would be out of a job and be forced to go find real work like the rest of Americans do.

starfcker
starfcker
  Vote Harder
December 19, 2019 1:13 am

Great rants, VH

card802
card802
December 18, 2019 8:27 pm

The only way socialism can even exist at all is because there first has to be wealth creation thru free market Capitalism.
Only then can a government tax it’s citizens to pay for all the free shit. Until it can’t tax anymore, then they print to cover the cost.

Look at Nordic countries, they had intelligent individuals who created the wealth to afford socialism, they taxed, the intelligent left and journeyed to America to escape socialism. Boy ain’t they surprised.

Most Nordic countries that Bernie and all the brain dead millennials claim are socialist, are not any longer because it failed.
But our politicians can do it better, right?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 19, 2019 2:49 am

I’m about 92% in agreement that socialism is bullshit, but I’m increasingly convinced that Single Payer healthcare could not possibly be worse than the system of fake bills and outrageously-priced, almost-worthless healthcare insurance that’s been foisted upon us in the US. For 2019 I was paying ~$19,000 in premiums for a high-deductible policy with $5,600/$9,900 individual/family deductibles. For 2020 I’ve opted for an even higher premium in exchange for slightly lower deductibles. Any way you look at it, I’m shelling out close to thirty grand a year for healthcare insurance, prescriptions, etc. And that’s before my sex change. I figure if I’m gonna get fucked, I might as well actually get fucked.

I’ve told the tale here of how my $116,000 hospital bill got cut to $14,000 just because it was processed by my insurance company. What a bunch of crock.

Besides, the US population – like that of most countries – is comprised of a huge number of imbeciles, emotional basket cases and literal psychotics who are utterly incapable of navigating the Byzantine system of healthcare insurance with its enrollments and exchanges, subsidies and bronze-silver-gold choices. If the average IQ in the States is about 97, can we really expect the sub-90’s to go online and choose a plan, projecting their coming year’s co-pays? Can the single parent who gets up at 5:30 AM when it’s 7 degrees out to take two buses to work perfectly assess how much she’ll be able to pay out of her non-existent theoretical Heritage Foundation Health Savings Account toward her daughter’s eyeglasses or, God forbid, insulin? The whole goddamn system is a cruel joke – all so that low-level insurance company executives can get paid seven figure incomes, while their bosses earn eight figure incomes.

Meanwhile, people who we know and trust here – Francis Marion, RiNS, LLPOH report back from countries where the level of insanity is considerably less. And Americans eligible for Medicare are – surprise, surprise – not exactly clamoring to be cut off from it. It’s like Carlin’s rant, where the people who own this country have everybody terrified of “government-run healthcare” while they’re jamming that big red, white and blue dick of outrageous costs up our asses.

I don’t LIKE having to adopt the policies of my late home state commie Senator, Paul fucking Wellstein, but goddamnit, if these greedy insurance motherfuckers cannot be reined in, then fuckit – we might as well blow the whole fucking system up and adopt what Canada has. People up there don’t seem distraught while they’re riding mooses and drinking syrup. If they could get rid of that pansy prime minister, they’d be OK.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
December 19, 2019 9:07 am

Socialism wasn’t treated to distribute wealth equally, or provide equal access to all, or even to set up some kind of political Utopia of feel-goodery, it’s always been about Power and mass murder of your opponents under the rubric of what’s best for the people.

That’s it.

A costume worn by a monster so the kids won’t git skeered.

Socialism is Pogo the Clown, just there to make sure all the kids have a good time. And then the makeup comes off and you wind up buried in a crawlspace.

flash
flash
December 19, 2019 9:19 am

Ah, the old Socialism vs Capitalism trope . Libertarians and Cons are so easily lead.
You dance with the ones that brung you.

Tribe up or die.

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