QOTD: U.S. vs IRAN

Opinion seems to be split on this act by Trump. Half seem to think it was brilliant, the other half seem to think it was reckless and dangerous.

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What will be the impact of Trump killing the top Iranian military commander?

A. Iran will retaliate in a major way, initiating a major war in the Middle East.

B. Iran will back down and cease its terrorist and nuclear activities and offer to negotiate with Trump.

C. Nothing will change. The situation will continue as it has for the last decade with idle threats.

D. World War 3, involving China and Russia.

E. Other. Explain.

 

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Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
January 3, 2020 8:19 am

Option C and if the US pushes any harder, then D.

The Russians and Chinese know they are on the futures target list, so might as well start a real war in the ME as opposed to their own territories.

Neither wants a war but they’re not going to let Iran get run over without a real fight. Besides, Putin needs to test out those new weapons systems to increase sales world wide as the US bogus ‘equivalents’ are piling up because they’re shit; extremely high prices shit.

4th Turner
4th Turner
  Solutions Are Obvious
January 3, 2020 10:13 am

Tucker Carlson was one of few voices on the right to oppose the United States’ military escalation against Iran, warning his viewers that the neo-cons who have been pushing for it, are “liars” and “don’t care about you.”

Carlson warned that the country now “appears to be lumbering toward a new Middle East war,” a confrontation that “official Washington has wanted for decades.”

“Disgraced [former] National Security Advisor John Bolton has made it his life’s mission to start a war with Iran” and could be “finally getting his wish,”
added the Fox News host.

“Should you be happy about that?” asked Tucker. “That’s the question. Well, the last time we took John Bolton’s advice in the region, Iran became far more powerful than before we took John Bolton’s advice. Why? Because things are never quite as simple as they claim they are in Washington.”

Carlson then contrasted the focus on the Iranian threat to U.S. interests to the threat to the American people coming from the southern border, which is all but being ignored.

Tucker said those “demanding action against Iran” are the same people who say nothing about “the invasion of America now in progress from the South, the millions, the tens of millions of foreign nationals living among us illegally, the torrent, more significantly of Mexican narcotics that has killed and disabled entire generations of Americans.”

Carlson concluded his response with a stark warning.

“‘Pay no attention to all of that,’ these very same people tell us. ‘The real threat is Iran.’ Well, they’re liars, and they don’t care about you, they don’t care about your kids. They are reckless and incompetent, and you should keep all of that in mind as war with Iran looms closer.”

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  4th Turner
January 3, 2020 10:41 am

The only quibble I have with Tucker’s assessment is over the drugs.

The drugs did not of their own volition inject themselves into an unwilling participant’s arm and did not jump up an unsuspecting persons nose.

The drugs are as innocent of harm as the gun is in the gun debate.

I’d approve of having automated drug dispensers on every street corner that can be accessed by a drivers license to kill off all the low life shit that takes that crap. It would also help dry up the money the CIA uses to fund their crimes.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  Solutions Are Obvious
January 3, 2020 1:12 pm

Carlson seems to be indicating that the (CIA-serving) status quo re. drugs suits TPTB just fine.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  Chubby Bubbles
January 3, 2020 1:43 pm

If the gov’t really wanted to get rid of drugs, they’d get the CIA to poison the supply since they run a huge portion of the drug trade. Run ads in all the newspapers, on TV, in social media announcing that drugs in some city will be poisoned, but don’t name the place. Then when a few thousand drop dead in a shithole like Baltimore, the message will sink in that drugs are dangerous. Then repeat the poisoning in another town tomorrow. Pretty soon the demand diminishes because all the dopers are dead or folks would rather live than take the chance of poisoning.

Making it illegal just ratchets up the price and keeps most people out of the supply business. The illegal drug trade is just clever marketing to supply a demand for expendable people and provide the funds for regime change operations.

Personally, I think no drug should be illegal and that all drugs should be dispensed over the counter eliminating the scam known as a prescription. Let people take whatever they want and suffer the consequences. Eliminate all mention of drugs from all laws.

Jdog
Jdog
  Solutions Are Obvious
January 3, 2020 4:42 pm

At what point did the Constitution give the Federal Government the power to tell the American people what they could and could not do with their own bodies? Would you kindly point out the exact paragraphs? Prohibition of drugs would require an Amendment to the Constitution to even have the appearance of being legal.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  Jdog
January 3, 2020 4:49 pm

You’re preaching to the choir. I want an end to the Fed Gov.

4th Turner
4th Turner
  4th Turner
January 3, 2020 12:37 pm

American backed Iraqi leadership has condemned the killing of Soleimani and may ask the U.S. to get out of Iraq
They are holding a meeting on this right now. As it turns out, there were agreements in place for the U.S. to stay in Iraq, and this action violated those agreements. Iraq can tell the U.S. to leave. If the U.S. does not leave after being told to leave, Iraq can go to the U.N. and complain…

This could actually backfire on the U.S. big time.

No action by Iran will be taken, HOWEVER HEADS UP:

Iran will not retaliate over their general being killed. Why? Because they can’t. And they know they’ll be toast if they do. They are like one of those little dogs that barks loudly an inch away from your ankle, and as soon as you turn toward it, it runs away knowing it could get it’s butt kicked. Here’s the heads up:

Now the stage is set for a false flag to be blamed on Iran. They HAVE TO retaliate, right? Logic would go that way, but the reality of it all is that they are not stupid.

The hit on Soleimani was not a work of genius
He was hit while traveling in a car during a publicly announced visit to Iraq to attend the funerals of 31 Iraqi soldiers the U.S. killed on Dec 29. That changes things quite a bit. That was not a legitimate intelligence based hit against an enemy operating where hit, it was instead the killing of a government official who went to attend a funeral and was going to leave the same day.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL: The moment Trump approved the killing of this Iranian General, he got the approval from the shadow state to FINALLY purge Obama holdovers from his white house. That was not coincidence, Trump had this general killed as part of a deal to finally be allowed to do what all other presidents have been allowed to do on day one of their presidency. That proves he’s still not in charge of even the basics.

Iranians are not celebrating this despite what the tech left is scamming on Twitter and other social media, and the fallout could be bad. Iran can now with full “eye for an eye” legitimacy target the highest ranking U.S. officials at will. As it turns out, this general was not in the area commanding anything. He arrived on a regularly scheduled commercial flight. There was no secrecy attached to his visit. That does make a difference, because it is the same as picking off American officials with drones when they leave the air port in France or elsewhere, and Iran has lots of drones.

Above all from a dark, fringe corner of the internet

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  4th Turner
January 3, 2020 1:32 pm

Excellent points!! Wow! Bomb and kill 31 Iraqi soldiers on the 29th, wait for the inevitable funeral and then bomb a sovereign nation’s military leader who flies commercially as a representative of his government.

Sounds like the plot to a bad action movie. Sad thing is it’s all in the name of US American citizens.

John Galt
John Galt
  4th Turner
January 4, 2020 8:03 am

Well written. Especially the prelude to a false flag i have been keenly watching for something that WILL be used to one up 9/11. Which i feel will be radio active and this just made my hair stand up. This is exactly what I thought would happen but I felt it would be too obvious. I feel now they need obvious since many have caught onto their shenanigans like 9/11 and Sandyhook. They need their work to be open now, with a cause that is feasible. This was a prelude to a major false flag before 2024 collapse.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  4th Turner
January 3, 2020 9:33 pm

He is 100% correct. People should be taking this hit a lot more seriously than they are, but they won’t.

I have so much to get completed before November fireworks. I’m thinking I need to come up with a questionnaire for those who would ask for my assistance in the future. “Did you support Machiavellian, extrajudicial assassinations for any reason against any target?” may make the list.

John Galt
John Galt
  Articles of Confederation
January 4, 2020 8:05 am

Didnt Obama drone strike many people. Including Americans overseas??

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  John Galt
January 4, 2020 12:41 pm

Yup, but expected because Soetoro.

Gator
Gator
  4th Turner
January 4, 2020 2:17 am

Well, not much needs to be said after that, although tucker is understandably a lot more diplomatic about it than I would be. I don’t give one single solitary fuck about Iraq or Iran, or what the people in those countries do to each other, or the israelis. We have very real and pressing concerns in this country that trump and his neocon flunkies he seems to insist on surrounding himself with have done fuck-all about. The last thing we need is another shooting war. And no, obviously, official washington does not care about us, any of us. Good for tucker for saying all this. Im gonna take a shot in the dark and say the rest of the fox anchors, especially hannity, couldn’t felate trump fast enough over this.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 9:37 am

Crack pipe exploded.

cynic
cynic
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 3:17 pm

Just like Epstein!

Dan
Dan
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:06 am

From the same people that gave us Saddam’s WMDs, chemical weapons in Douma, Gladio bombings in Italy and Germany, ad nauseam.

I’m really confused about option B. What nuclear activity? And especially, what terrorist activity? Yeah, these aren’t nice people, but exploding vests and decapitations tend to be a Sunni thang. Like our good friends the Saudis.

Fuck Trump.

Dan
Dan
  Dan
January 3, 2020 10:16 am

Speaking of terrorism, what is the term for assassinating an official from a government we are not at war with? If it helps to think more clearly, what would we call it if Iranian military assassinated a U.S. general?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dan
January 3, 2020 5:19 pm

Or boarded a vessel and took the crew hostage? Not much if you you’re Obummer, but this pres is different.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dan
January 4, 2020 1:30 pm

Casus belli

John Galt
John Galt
  Dan
January 4, 2020 8:08 am

Dan, so we should just allow iran to constantly beat on us, storm our embassy, kill americans and our allies and do nothing. But when we take action we should all say Fuck Trump for taking action? Good plan there Dano, you must be a democrat….a weak minded silly do nothing treasonous bastard that is licking soy while writing this apologetic shit piece.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  John Galt
January 4, 2020 12:42 pm

The ends do not justify the means. There’s no point in even pretending we are civilized if we stoop to the level of past empires and current religious extremists.

flash
flash
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:23 am

ha ha ha … keeping ‘Muricans safe is job #1 for the Zionist controlled thugacracy.

those “demanding action against Iran” are the same people who say nothing about “the invasion of America now in progress from the South, the millions, the tens of millions of foreign nationals living among us illegally, the torrent, more significantly of Mexican narcotics that has killed and disabled entire generations of Americans.” Tucker Carlson

https://summit.news/2020/01/03/tucker-carlson-slams-iran-escalation-theyre-liars-and-they-dont-care-about-you/

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  flash
January 3, 2020 10:41 am

Seems like the only sensible response is to throw our borders open to any Iranian refugees that come our way, right?

THE
THE
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:30 am

administrator believes all the state bullshit

John Galt
John Galt
  THE
January 4, 2020 8:11 am

THE troll…..fixed it

KaD
KaD
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:44 am

My question is why the F we have an embassy in openly hostile territory in the first place.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  KaD
January 3, 2020 11:07 am

“You break it you bought it.”

Remember that gem?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KaD
January 3, 2020 2:05 pm

At 104 acres (42 ha), it is the largest and most expensive embassy in the world….another little fun fact.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 1:38 pm

Welcome to the ridiculousness of a foreign policy based on “preemption ”

Did Congress declare war on Iran and I miss it? Oh that’s right! Last war Congress uses its constitutional power to declare war was WWII!!

But since the recent declaration, aka labelling, of the Iranian forces Quds as a “terrorist organization ” then it’s completely justifiable hahaha bullshit!

Just wait until the U.S. govt starts doing this shit in the continental U.S. after labeling many of the drug gangs as “terrorist organizations ”

People are so dense!

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
January 3, 2020 8:28 am

And half of this country supports Trump and half doesn’t.
Amazing.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 8:35 am

No one knows anything about US foreign policy because we don’t have one. Everything we do in the Middle East is on behalf of Israel. So if you want to know where this is going, that’s the foreign policy to study.

As my favorite 21st century American philosopher once said, “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 8:46 am

I agree with the last paragraph for sure. This is why when a person goes looking for a fight you better be ready to all in. The winner will, as always, write the history books.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  oldtimer505
January 3, 2020 10:55 am

OT, half way measures lead to a sure defeat. Being on the losing side in a war is never a good thing.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  overthecliff
January 3, 2020 11:22 am

C

The War Machine must keep running….the bankers and weapons sales need money….plus, we have always been at war with Eastasia…

Donkey
Donkey
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 9:04 am

“Everyone has a plan until they realize the truth does not exist”.

Did he or did he not commit suicide?

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Donkey
January 3, 2020 2:16 pm

My favorite theory is Epstein turned states evidence, his death was staged and he is alive and well in the federal witness protection plan.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 9:52 am

No one knows anything about US foreign policy

Answer:
It’s called the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 2:03 pm

Sure we know about U.S. foreign policy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

This is THE same neocon aggressive Bush doctrine preemption tactics. Remember the attorney general purges under Alberto Gonzales despotic reign as U.S. Attorney General?

Rewriting American foreign policy and interrogation techniques, creation of terms like “enemy combatant s” for American citizens accused of whatever the govt. Says they’ve done with no due process.

Military police state anyone?

But anyways, oh right! “We got another bad guy!!”
America Fuck Yeah!

StackingStock
StackingStock
January 3, 2020 8:40 am

F. Cue the False Flag.

Carry on..

credit
credit
January 3, 2020 8:42 am

Iran will activate their teams in place in the U.S., who have been infiltrating through our border for years and waiting for orders . They’ll blow up major bridges, power transformers and remote railroad beds with ease, causing chaos domestically and a major stock market drop. The new Marvel Muslim hero from Dearborn, MI will encourage raghead kids to join in the mayhem. We will export many of them until some Jewish judge stops it, then militant Americans will take up the cause.

ivan
ivan
  credit
January 3, 2020 9:21 am

“Iran will activate their teams in place in the U.S”

precisely

Ginger
Ginger
  credit
January 3, 2020 9:41 am

You said what I was thinking, this will be a big immigration change. Catch some Iranians coming over the border, then troops to the borders. Auditions most likly going on at this moment.
“Six ways from Sunday” Schummer will even be onboard.
Otherwise # C.

doug
doug
  credit
January 3, 2020 12:11 pm

More like Israel will pretend to be Iranians doing all those things. They’re the experts at false flagging.

gman
gman
  credit
January 3, 2020 12:29 pm

“They’ll blow up major bridges, power transformers and remote railroad beds with ease, causing chaos domestically and a major stock market drop.”

and the gun-owning right will be blamed and rounded up as foreign agents.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
January 3, 2020 8:49 am

E. Iran will respond through one of their proxies and it will not lead to a wider war. This is like 2 boxers circling each other in the ring, throwing an occasional jab.

musket
musket
January 3, 2020 8:49 am

The Iranians did not expect this. They probably expected some sort of bluster on the television as American politicians usually lack the courage of their convictions.

Right now they are on the backs of their heels and maybe in the “back channel” are talking to their Russian peers wondering what to do next. A response will come at their timing and most probably a “soft” target near television cameras.

They will continue in “the low intensity conflict” regime as they have a small industrial base. They cannot even keep MIG fighters in the air after a depot level rebuild. Their ICBM / Aerospace Force as they call it can hit Israel….but that would be self defeating. They can possibly hit Europe…but they are weak and feckless at best at the political level. The rock steady level armed forces are good……just not enough of them.

Again, my bet is a soft target that the media clowns will swarm over in an attempt to stick it in President Trump’s ear. I really do not think he cares, he grew up in New York and they are tougher than that. The lazy, arrogant media is irrelevant and I guess that’s why they put Rose McGowan’s sniveling tripe on Fox……too lazy to find the real story and report it.

My opinion……what’s yours…..

John Galt
John Galt
  musket
January 4, 2020 8:17 am

They cannot hit our infrastructure or American citizens that would put them into a terrorist category that even the lefty dems and UN flobalists could not coverup. They will look to hit outside the USA softer targets….small embassy, military structures etc.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  John Galt
January 4, 2020 1:26 pm

@ John Galt,

Here is a recent article that suggests otherwise.

https://www.businessinsider.com/qassem-soleimani-death-experts-warn-iran-cyberattacks-against-america-2020-1

Not to mention that story from years ago that was buried by the MSM while it was transpiring.

‘Military-Style’ Raid on California Power Station Spooks U.S.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 8:57 am

Part of a group that tortured, raped, sodomized its own citizens?

Isn’t that what ALL gov’t do?

CCRider
CCRider
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 9:18 am

We’ve been fed such ‘babies thrown from incubators’ stories over the years who can believe this bullshit? Frankly I don’t give a shit if he was a butt fucker. I have my own kids to worry about. And with this impulsive ego maniac at the helm there is plenty to sweat.

Morongobill
Morongobill
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:01 am

Total bullshit. The guy was a hard nosed soldier who loved his country.

KaD
KaD
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:48 am

Kind of like how the Iraqi’s allegedly took babies out of their incubators and left them to die? Uh huh

Dan
Dan
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 11:05 am

Not sure what your point is here. If Trump was assassinated, it would make a lot of Americans happy. Would that make it OK?

Dan
Dan
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 11:26 am

Sorry, then. I voted for the Donald on one issue only: getting us out of these perpetual wars. He’s disappointed as expected on pretty much everything else, but I’ve kept hope alive he might actually stop the killing. That’s in spite of him bringing Bolton on. And Pompeo. And declaring troop drawdowns in Syria and Afghanistan, only to reverse himself the next day.

But this insanity finally did it for me. I’ve been a huge defender of DT with Russiagate, Ukrainegate, and all that other nonsense, but I just don’t care anymore. I always have thought, “well at least not Hillary”, but now realize there’s no difference at all. It’s all just a big con, as pointed out in that article a couple days ago.

Thanks for a great site, by the way

flash
flash
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 11:05 am

If the job of America is to take out state leaders who abuse their own people, then we’re gonna’ need a bigger military.

splurge
splurge
  flash
January 3, 2020 1:46 pm

Not really, they will just have to start killing their own.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Administrator
January 3, 2020 10:32 pm

This cunt is Iranian by birth and Iranian today. If she were American, she’d leave all ties to her previous nation-state behind, or go back there and overthrow their tyranny herself. But she won’t, because she is a loud-mouthed pussy who’d rather watch working class whites and blacks die for sandfleas.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 8:59 am

The other explanation is that it is all lies. No one was killed, Iran and the US are in on this together and it’s all a giant show to cover up some other series of outrages these people are involved in. Remember the planes full of cash on palettes going to Iran during Obama’s tenure? Maybe that was just another money laundering operation like the one in Ukraine. Maybe they had a whole different set of American politicians and their kids on a whole different bunch of boards drawing their free American taxpayer cash to fund their crack and stripper binges, who knows. I mean we live in a country that tells us we are a net exporter of oil, yet who tells us at the same time we are dependent on foreign oil?

How is that supposed to work? We make oil and gas in the US, send it on ships to foreign countries, yet we buy it fro other foreign countries and ship it here? Has anyone every asked how that makes even the slightest amount of sense? Of course not, we just eat at the information trough whatever the farmer feeds us.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 9:16 am

I mean we live in a country that tells us we are a net exporter of oil, yet who tells us at the same time we are dependent on foreign oil?

Maybe we’re not a net exporter, I like your comment, was kinda thinking the same thing last night. It feels to packaged to me.

Carry on..

Donkey
Donkey
  StackingStock
January 3, 2020 10:39 am

Good God, man…slap yourself.

The truth does not exist.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Donkey
January 3, 2020 10:43 am

A post modern concept that I reject, but you feel free to run with it.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 9:30 am

“The other explanation is that it is all lies. No one was killed, Iran and the US are in on this together…”

To push up oil prices?
To benefit the MIC?

Who benefits from this?

Today is my birthday. I’m going shopping for a revolver for my birthday. I’ve been wanting a revolver for a while.

Carry on.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 9:33 am

Happy Birthday!

ABC Always Be Carrying.

Ginger
Ginger
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 9:49 am

Happy Birthday.

Check out the Colt Cobra .38 Special.
Fits nicely in a down vest pocket.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Ginger
January 3, 2020 9:54 am

Thanks! I will check it out.

M G
M G
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 10:30 am

I will give you the ammo if you get a 38 special.

Donkey
Donkey
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 10:40 am

Make it hammerless.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Donkey
January 3, 2020 10:47 am

Agreed. Unless you are planning on spending many hundreds of hours training, hammerless is the safe bet for a new CC owner.

I’d recommend a Ruger LCR, but that’s because I know a lot of folks that work there and I’d love to see the money flow back to my neighbors. And it’s a rugged, dependable weapon.

None Ya Biz
None Ya Biz
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 11:18 am

I recently acquired a S&W M&P 2.0 9 MM Shield EZ. I bought 2. 1 for me and the other for the Wife. Both the Wife and I also have the S&W M&P .380 EZ. We like both the .380 and 9MM, mainly for the ease of use. They are both considered compact pistols. The EZ really does mean what the description says. EZ to load, EZ to pull back the slide and EZ trigger pull. Additionally, the magazines are EZ load. I am a lefty. Changing the mag release on both the .380 and the 9 MM was also easy peasy! This makes these platforms great for older people with arthritis in their hands (like me) or people with limited hand strength.

In many training classes where the .380 EZ was presented as one of the weapons used, the .380 EZ was hands down the favorite of the female shooters training. Now that the 9 MM EZ is available (released 12/12/2019), I am willing to bet the ladies will prefer it for the additional muzzle velocity/stopping power.

Just my two cents on EDC (Every Day Carry).

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 12:07 pm

and get the SR9 for under your pillow like I do.

Carry on. ..

Ginger
Ginger
  Donkey
January 3, 2020 3:31 pm

Actually I like the hammer, cocked first shot after drawing, ready to rip. Means business which is what a drawn pistol should mean.

M G
M G
  Ginger
January 3, 2020 10:29 am

I traded my S&W 38Special for a 40caliber Beretta. I miss it. I do have a couple boxes of 38S&W ammo.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 9:55 am

Hell hath no fury like a well armed woman.

M G
M G
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 10:28 am

I miss my revolver but I traded it for a really cool long-gun, so it was worth it.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  M G
January 3, 2020 10:40 am

Why not have both, Maggie?

M G
M G
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 11:47 am

I bought a little Beretta that fits in a snug shoulder holster. The old clunker of a revolver (I was a dumbass and traded it!) didn’t fit.

John Galt
John Galt
  Mary Christine
January 4, 2020 8:23 am

I am so distraught with you all right now. I lost all my guns in a boating accident and am full of envy right now….

4th Turner
4th Turner
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 10:38 am

¡Feliz Cumpleaños MC! So everyone gets a playing card for their particular day of birth: in your case you’ve drawn a rare one, the Jack of Spades. And in midlife years, you have a “challenge” card which in your case is the 6 of Diamonds.

Good luck in your search for a suitable six-shooter!

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 11:03 am

Revolvers are simple, safe and effective for self defense. Good choice.

John Galt
John Galt
  overthecliff
January 4, 2020 8:24 am

And they dont drop brass….

mark
mark
  Mary Christine
January 3, 2020 9:20 pm
Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  mark
January 3, 2020 11:52 pm

That’s a handy link, Mark. I emailed to my better half. I didn’t buy today. I gotta update my DL, it has my old address and that’s a no-no. But that gives me a little more time to look and try. I have a 9MM. I don’t like magazines. I tried to like them, I hate loading them. They always misfire on me. I just do better with a revolver.

mark
mark
  Mary Christine
January 4, 2020 12:30 am

Yea, I thought it was too.

My wife has a .38 Colt snubbie in a fake hollowed out book in a book case on her side of the bed. She is not a gun person, but to be candid I make her shoot, and practice loading the .38, a Remington 20 gauge (with a pistol grip) and a Ruger 10/22 (with a duel a 50 round magazine). She is good with all three.

I have my own range and I insist she stays familiar with all three.

She and another woman from church we are friends with are almost ready to get their CC together as me and the other woman’s husband are urging them to do it, as all four of us see the storm coming. Plus, in 2015 a couple were murdered in their home (rural and off by itself like ours) not far from us.

I own two .38 revolvers and a .38/357 Dan Wesson with interchangeable barrels, it is one of my favorite, always reliable no matter what, and most accurate handguns.

Robin Banks
Robin Banks
  mark
January 4, 2020 8:41 am

.357 ^

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  mark
January 4, 2020 9:46 am

I took a CC class a few years ago and never got my CC license. Something told me not to. Missouri legalized CC without a license not too long after that. The problem is state lines but you have that problem anyway, even within different cities.

Ivan
Ivan
  mark
January 4, 2020 1:49 pm

will a concealed carry permit be necessary when the wheels fall off

credit
credit
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 9:33 am

we are trying hard to export much nat gas as LNG because we have a great excess. they’re flaring shitloads of it in the Permian right now. we export a lot of refined products because we have the infrastructure to make them. so some oil comes here just to get refined, stored and processed, for example from Canada. through pipelines and rail cars , etc.

flash
flash
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 10:31 am

A soon as the war with Iran begins the quicker it can be concluded and the Pentagram can focus on real issues affecting the US consumer unit…climate change.

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musket
musket
  flash
January 3, 2020 10:53 am

DoD staff reports are not worth the paper they are printed on……..especially when they concern the race, culture, gender and environmental identity political points.

Night of Howlin' Paulas (EC)
Night of Howlin' Paulas (EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 11:57 am

pallets

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 12:43 pm

HSF said,

We make oil and gas in the US, send it on ships to foreign countries, yet we buy it fro other foreign countries and ship it here

I often wondered about that for years until I realized how “globalism ” works. Contracts to send products to other markets as a means of control via dependency and price manipulation.

With respect to the oil trade, I understand that U.S. sweet crude (not shale) is of higher quality than middle eastern oil…OPEC manipulates the price of oil by over production in order to lower the prices of American sweet crude.

cynic
cynic
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 3:27 pm

Apparently it’s the wrong sort of oil that can’t easily be processed in the USA, which has to import the right sort of oil for transport etc.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  cynic
January 3, 2020 4:10 pm

America doesn’t have the technology to refine its own oil?

Amazing.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 10:08 pm

It’s all about the “Skim” remember the “skim”

That is all…

John Galt
John Galt
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 4, 2020 8:28 am

The leftist enviro freaks and obummer refused to allow new refineries to be built. Ours are all old and rusting. Obuthole banned oil drilling on our shores by 200 miles by American companies, but allowed the chinese to drill within 12 miles…..look it up

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  John Galt
January 4, 2020 1:34 pm

Obama signed off on it but that’s the same the liberal economic hitmen still plundering the planet.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
January 3, 2020 9:50 am

E. Another burial at sea?

Uncola
Uncola
January 3, 2020 10:19 am

I suppose the only separation between A & D is a matter of months, or even days. And I would not bet against either. Another possibility would be an domestic attack in the U.S. and that could determine the difference between months or days?

Bob P
Bob P
January 3, 2020 10:32 am

E. Either Iran attempts to shut down the Strait of Hormuz or they launch terrorist attack(s) against US interests. Whether we get a war depends on the US reaction to whatever Iran does. Neocons in the US and Israel want war, but Trump can’t afford one with the election coming up. Very risky situation; USA reckless to open this can of worms, IMO.

overthecliff
overthecliff
January 3, 2020 10:37 am

Nothing much will change. Mohammedans in general will continue their declared war against the west. They will not push it to the point of getting a real ass kicking from the west.
There is already a war bay the mohammedans against the west, the west just hasn’t recognized the facts of reality yet.Hysteria about starting WW 3 is crap. This war has been going on since the 8th century. The west is just fighting back.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
January 3, 2020 10:43 am

This is psychological warfare.

And Iran will think twice about escalating (or at least they will soon enough).

Why?

Because the rules of engagement have changed. Key political/military figures are now being targeted instead of troops, civilians and physical assets.

People who thought they were ‘untouchable’ are now extremely vulnerable.

That goes the world over.

This isn’t your grandfather’s fourth turning.

Dan
Dan
  Francis Marion
January 3, 2020 11:07 am

They’ll think twice about going after ISIS?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Francis Marion
January 3, 2020 11:08 am

You said a mouthful.

Hispanic Hillbilly (88)
Hispanic Hillbilly (88)
  Francis Marion
January 3, 2020 12:36 pm

That totally violates the David rule that only a king may kill a king.
Hmm, do you suppose LBJ did it?

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Hispanic Hillbilly (88)
January 3, 2020 3:07 pm

Rules?

Hispanic Hillbilly
Hispanic Hillbilly
  Francis Marion
January 3, 2020 3:14 pm

34DD chess rules

M G
M G
  Hispanic Hillbilly
January 3, 2020 3:22 pm

So, more than a mouthful?

starfcker
starfcker
  Francis Marion
January 3, 2020 3:28 pm

Francis for the win.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
January 3, 2020 11:29 am

Many things will happen because of this. One step closer to WWIII but a few more publically consumed events must transpire first.

Iran knows the Neocons in the U.S. are baiting them, poking them with a stick trying to get them to retaliate.

Iran will officially play the victim card that Trump wields so well to shield his decisions.

There won’t be open war or bombings in Iran yet.

The controllers of this game of global chess will attack the U.S., not with a military strike, but with some sort of cyber attack of our infrastructure or stock market (this way the FED nor Trump have to take responsibility for the market crash) aka Black swan event!

The major immediate impact of such an assassination is further erosion of U.S. image across the globe.
All by design.

Here’s my comment about this from another thread:

Ayatollah Vows “Severe Retaliation” Against “Criminals” Responsible For Killing Iranian General

Hispanic Hillbilly
Hispanic Hillbilly
  Plato_Plubius
January 3, 2020 3:16 pm

“Here’s my comment about this from another thread:”

I call foul: that is an outright theft of an Uncola tactic – referring to a comment he made to a friend in a bar after posting the 50,000 word essay he wrote based on that bar conversation.

Uncola
Uncola
  Hispanic Hillbilly
January 3, 2020 6:54 pm

Re: tactics

What we are doing is weaving a tapestry over here. Tying it all together for posterity because the internet is forever, ya know?

Plato says:

There won’t be open war or bombings in Iran yet.

With oil prices rising it could be a way to milk that cow and further grind down the economy in the long collapse. All we can do is watch and see. And, of course, vote.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Uncola
January 3, 2020 7:03 pm

You gotta admit that was pretty funny.

M G
M G
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 3, 2020 7:16 pm

A great post on your visit and the rest… am so glad our paths have crossed.

Now, it was funny but he won’t admit it.

And, back to ME…

Is $2.25 a lb hanging weight a good price for 14 month old Angus? Hanging weight is what’s left after skinning and gutting, right?

I’m being lazy and want to tell my husband I did the research and didn’t just say “okay” to our neighbor.

Which, I did, but if you say it’s a good price for grassfed then I can tell Nick I did some research.

(four weeks finish with grain and hay… 8 of them in a quarter acre lot… this neighbor adds a little grain for marbled meat. I like marbled meat. Average weight around 1400… they are some big brutes.)

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  M G
January 3, 2020 11:05 pm

That’s dirt cheap for anything.

The thing with grass fed versus grain finished is that USDA likes young animals because it’s easier than inspecting older ones. If an animal is under 30 months, they don’t have to look at the carcass. They can but it’s usually just a spot check kind of thing. If the animals are over 30 months they have to inspect for BSE.

Very few farms carry on a cow calf operation that includes finishing steers, it’s usually one or the other. You can fatten up a steer pretty heavy at 2.5 years using grain rather than waiting 3 or 4 years on grass alone. Grass fed animals develop beautiful marbling, but it takes at least 5 years or longer. The color of the fat isn’t white, it’s orange from all the beta carotene in the forage. I prefer much older animals because the flavor develops this rich, earthy palette that you’ll never get from a young animal. It took me a long time to really figure this stuff out, but a few years ago I stumbled on a documentary called Steak Revolution by a Michelin star chef who wanted to find the best steak on Earth. Highly recommended if you want to know the in depth world of turning a beeve into the most flavorful meat on Earth.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 4, 2020 9:51 am

A friend sold us a half beef he raised grass fed only for about 5 years. I have to agree, it’s well marbled and delicious. Not quite as tender as grain fed but far from being tough.

John Galt
John Galt
  Plato_Plubius
January 4, 2020 8:35 am

Cant wait for the emp or grid failure and we all get to blame iran, yeah

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  John Galt
January 4, 2020 1:41 pm

More likely North Korea will get the blame and allow another proxy front to the undeclared WWIII between NATO and the BRICS be opened.

https://www.38north.org/2016/09/melleman092216/

I am reminded of this story from years back,

North Korean satellite flies over Superbowl 50 in San Francisco

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/a-north-korean-satellite-passed-over-super-bowl-50/

BL
BL
January 3, 2020 11:56 am

Is it just me or do the photos of the burning vehicle look staged? Does that look believable to the rest of you?

Pequiste
Pequiste
January 3, 2020 12:26 pm

Answer: A.

“Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.”

“With carrion men groaning for burial.”

-Shakespeare

More carrion, we need more carrion!

This poisoned blood and puss laden abcess – the entire Levant, Near East, Mesopotamia and Southwest Asia -has been growing for a long time and must be drained and cauterized. It has been and will be an even more terrible murderous affair.

splurge
splurge
January 3, 2020 1:42 pm

If A: then D: , but probably C:.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 3, 2020 2:35 pm

E. Other

Russia, China and Israel will continue (hell on earth) coordination strategies to cease hostility throughout the Middle East and abroad. The IDF can continue bludgeon assaults geopolitically. Russia and China will work with and against the IDF. Neither Russia nor China will assert dominance over the IDF by initiating an occupation of Israel.

gilberts
gilberts
January 3, 2020 2:38 pm

I think C and E both.
C: Iran will ramp up its existing Operation Chaos to keep us busy around the world and stuck to our existing commitments, like Iraq and Afghanistan, like a tar baby from which we can’t get free.

E: Iran will work up new ways to challenge us indirectly. Why beat your head against the wall trying to beat up a bully 100x stronger than you when you can weaken him with a Death By 1000 Cuts strategy? Iran can fund terrorist groups, promote culture war here, fund propaganda, finance attacks on our Saudi “friends”, send weapons to bad guys, and find new places to threaten our interests.

We’re too big, too musclebound, to respond to every crisis that pops up and Iran knows that. They can cut us in a lot of ways, if they’re motivated. Imagine if Iran got really dirty and started sending guns, anti-air missiles, and advisors to Mexico? Even better, imagine if Iran started sending sanitized weapons to US gangs? Even better than that, how about Iran arming Antifa? How about that for a laugh? A new-and-improved trained-and-armed Antifa ready to mix it up with right wing nazi fascist white people in the heartland with sniper rifles, AKs, and grenades? We haven’t experienced the fun of Sweden, with grenade attacks on a daily basis yet. Maybe that’s in the offing?

Persians are used to taking an oblique route to their objective. They’re playing chess, not checkers. They’re not going to fight us in a stand-up set piece fight when other methods are more productive. They’re going to sneak around our strong points and find our weak points and exploit those. We probably won’t know about what they did until after the smoke clears.

Faced with a sneaky adversary and a sneaky government, I wouldn’t trust anything you hear in the media from either side.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 3, 2020 2:56 pm

E. Iran mobilizes their 5th Column in the US to assassinate every Zionist in America. The Iranians and Americans then become fast friends, jointly destroy Israel, and the world lives happily ever after.

cynic
cynic
January 3, 2020 4:07 pm

The American government will cling all the more tightly to their Iraqi tar baby. The Iranians will encourage this. The Iraqis will tell the Americans to leave. The Americans will refuse to go and may attempt a colour revolution. More and more Iraqis will resume a guerrilla war against US forces – with lots more Iranian support, weapons and special forces. The Americans/Israelis will incite the Sunni against the Shia, supported by the Saudis. The Houthis will gain a lot more rockets and drones from Iran and Saudi Arabia will suffer more spectacular and embarrassing losses and possibly a Shia insurrection in their oil fields, supported by Iran. The American forces will wade through Arab blood, but the dribble of American casualties, the mounting adverse publicity and the immense cost of the war will produce impatience in the American public, perhaps exacerbated by Russian missiles in the hands of ‘Houthis’ bringing down some American planes or sinking ships, making reinforcement and re-supply of American forces in Iraq and Syria difficult and dangerous. After several years Trump or his successor will seek to ‘negotiate’ their way out; but the ‘deep state’, Israelis, Arabs and Iranians won’t allow it. This will cost the Americans far more blood and treasure than they gain from stealing Syrian and Iraqi oil. It may precipitate the long expected collapse of the dollar, which could force the withdrawal of the American military from foreign adventures.

The Iranians can’t invade the USA and they can’t win the open battles the Americans prefer, but they can entice the Americans to fight on unfavourable ground in unfavourable circumstances. General Solomani’s ghost may have the last laugh.

Jdog
Jdog
January 3, 2020 4:35 pm

A combination of B and C. When dealing with governments, you are basically dealing with gangsters, whether those governments are in North America or the Persian Gulf. Gangsters never live in peace because they are psychopaths whose egos will force them to always push the envelope of their criminal activities. Sometimes the smaller gangsters begin to get too confident in their power and the bigger gangsters show them they can be eliminated at any time. The Pentagon has wanted to take out Iran for decades as part of the plan for regime change in 7 countries disclosed by Gen. Westley Clark in 1991. They have never been able to get the politicians to give them permission for more than partial operations since the “weapons of mass destruction” fiasco in Iraq. Trump is a wildcard, this action shows he is not afraid of political consequences or threats. I do not think Iran has the courage to risk their total destruction by escalating this situation. I believe they know they are able to become the next Iraq fairly easily.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
January 3, 2020 7:23 pm

Reckless and dangerous does not cover this dumbfuckery “diplomacy”. It’s not worth my time to elaborate at this juncture. I’ve had an internal radar (due to someones smarter than myself) on Soleimani, Haftar, and el-Sisi.

This will have unconscionable blowback. Best to expedite y’all’s plans as much as humanly possible. Blowback from this knee-jerk retardation will not extend past 5 years from now…anytime in between then and now, I’d expect Serious Shitstorm. Apparently we Westerners either never learned anything from Bastiat or we continue to ignore the lessons of that which is not seen.

John Galt
John Galt
January 4, 2020 7:53 am

B
Because these goat phuckers will crawl back and retreat into their hole for a time then like always sneak attack a soft target when heads are turned the other way. The UN and Globalists never hold them accountable and make excuses and blame their victims. Trump just said a big Phuck You to these UN Globalists and media, dems also want to apologize and demean Trump for taking action. An ant can only bite the elephant so many times before the elephant crushes the ant. Since 1979 these goat phuckers have been biting the elephant and knew they will get their due. It will surely be used politically and fiscally to bread and circus the coming/impending econ collapse. There must be a distraction as always. Nobody in the media will state the known fact this goat phucker was blown to bits while in IRAQ. What the phuck was he doing in IRAQ!?!?!? Yeah doesn’t quite fit their narrative now does it?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  John Galt
January 4, 2020 12:47 pm

Better question: What the fuck are WE doing in Iraq? Kinda hard to attack a military base err multi-billion dollar embassy if it wasn’t there in the first place (and on credit card), n’est ce pas?