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robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
February 29, 2020 8:55 am

Agree, most of us rural folks have someone in the household that works or goes to school in town that would eventually (in the long run) contract this virus and give it to the rest of us. The people working in town can’t just quit and stay home because for everyone here, the tax men would take the farm. We can do without the towns electricity, water, food, etc, but who will stop the tax men? All our survival preparations (a working farm, guns, etc) fails in this very contagious disease situation because of Property Taxes and the highly armed Tax Men.

Ginger
Ginger
  robert h siddell jr
February 29, 2020 9:04 am

Nothing ever changes, read the book Gone With The Wind.
Rhett says there is as much money to be made tearing down a country as building one.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  robert h siddell jr
February 29, 2020 10:41 am

If you can’t keep your property even when fully owned outright without threat of 100% government confiscation for not paying the annual property taxes or government lease is it ever truly yours?

I think not.

Welcome to America.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 10:52 am

Even with no taxes, in the end you die and someone else winds up with it. We come into this world with nothing and exit the same way.

Perspective.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 10:58 am

Ain’t never seen a hearse with a luggage rack- George Strait

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 11:06 am

I’d prefer my family or friends inherit it than the government take it.
When anyone and often the widowed elderly loose all the equity in the property they have owned their whole lives to the government for property tax delinquency between 1-6% of the total assessed value that’s legalized theft where I come from.

Perspective.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 11:57 am

When you buy something like a house there is an unspoken, yet clearly understood premise- the purchase price is only to secure your possession of that property. Anyone with even the slightest level of common sense understands that from that point forward there will always be attendant costs in maintenance, repair, improvements and taxes.

So if you want to look at it in an extremely narrow view, yes, nothing is ever yours for just the purchase price. If you take care of it it will over time increase in value. During that time part of the property tax expense is the services you receive to protect your investment- fire department, police department, road repairs, garbage collection, schools for your kids, library, parks, etc. You aren’t simply paying endlessly for nothing, but to keep you community safe, well maintained, and desirable for anyone who might want to purchase it after you’re gone so your kids get a good return on your investment.

If you go through life thinking that all the assorted benefits of an organized society are free just because you paid off your mortgage, how is that any different from the free shitters? If the prospect of not being able to pay taxes at sometime in the future haunts you, rent. Or find some place that has tax rates that are low.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 12:58 pm

Wow, do you work for the IRS, are a politician or collect a government pension?
Owner upkeep and maintenance keep or increase the value of your property and are not taxes.
Flat taxes on purchases do the same thing you mentioned regarding normal government operating costs but not under the threat of confiscation of already owned property.
When the government can take your whole property, auction it off, and keep 100% of the proceeds for a total debt of only 2 years back property taxes or on average where I live of around 6 % of it’s total value That’s theft.
At the very most taking their taxes due including reasonable associated costs and giving the earned excess back to the owner is one thing, but keeping the whole sale price up to over 1500% of the debt owned is insane.
The only thing more crazy is you attempting to justify it comrade.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 2:19 pm

I nailed it didn’t I? I bet government pension.
Bought low and sold high high in Jersey and moved to the Live Free or Die state in retirement.
Your pension depends on the property taxes where you came from to survive.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 3:13 pm

Right or wrong forgive me for my last comment. If I could erase it I would. My heart sighs over it.

Ginger
Ginger
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 5:05 pm

Quick, order two cases of Maple Syrup and all is forgiven.

PRE-ORDER THE BEST DAMN MAPLE SYRUP ON THE PLANET
To Contact Hardscrabble Farmer before supplies run out:
Nothing can be finer than to enter Heaven, or that other place if you might be by chance Hollywood Bob, than a belly full of flapjacks covered in the best maple syrup your lips ever smacked.

M G
M G
  Ginger
February 29, 2020 5:59 pm

That was funny except it make my heart skip a beat or two when you almost mentioned the one of whom I never mention.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 5:57 pm

Don’t worry about it for a second. I get it.

99% of everything I think or believe came about from being tested by other people who felt different. That’s the best part of these threads, the back and forth that gives you a perspective you didn’t consider.

M G
M G
  Eyes Wide Shut
March 1, 2020 7:35 am

I think that was a great way to handle an impulsive blurt by one’s keystrokes. You should have an edit option on screen… do you need a “how to” unblog a bleep?

comment image
See the “Edit” option just to the right of “Reply?”

Well, I am editing this comment NOW and am going to remove my snarky remarky about our beloved farmer marckie.

Now, except for Google’s Creepy ability to record every keystroke you make unless you halt them from doing so, no one will ever know I said that.

LOL…

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Eyes Wide Shut
February 29, 2020 5:53 pm

I’m a farmer, I have no retirement, I abhor politics, and the IRS is an extortion racket.

Now that I have cleared up your misconceptions, why don’t you address even one of the points I made above? We weren’t discussing income tax or federal taxes, we were talking about property taxes. Property taxes don’t go to the federal Government, they go to the operation and maintenance of the town in which you reside. It is the contribution that you make to offset the cost of things that are done for you, like sending firemen to your home to keep it from burning down or having the cops keep an eye on the criminal element. You prefer to privatize fire services? What do you think that would cost you? And if you decide not to subscribe and your place catches fire?

Governments at every level are parasitic; they don’t invent or manufacture, cultivate or sell. A good parasite- like gut bacteria or those little things that eat the dead skin in your eyebrows- serve a purpose while they feed on you. That’s local government.

You and I are in lockstep about FedGov they provide precisely nothing as far as I can tell.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 6:34 pm

I did address it in regards to a flat or sales tax on lieu of property taxes. Just a local county one not federal or state.

M G
M G
  Eyes Wide Shut
March 1, 2020 8:13 am

In the 1920s, when the Federal government put people to work on projects that actually were shovel ready, the entire region of Southeast Missouri was organized into road districts that were managed by local committee.

My grandfather organized the first and my father completed 100 years of family service to the Crowder Zeta Road District when he turned 90.

There is a sense of continuity I get when I visit the records online and can see an old friend of the family’s signature on forms where my father’s and grandfather’s declared themselves real guardians of the public trust.

Fred’s signature isn’t my father’s, but I trust that the money he spent on the road maintenance got used for road maintenance.

https://app.auditor.mo.gov/Local/SearchPolysubFinancialReports.aspx?county=stoddard&frompublic=true

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 5:36 pm

Socialism 101…Obama and Bernie thank you and….you didn’t build that.

The Priest's Son
The Priest's Son
  Mygirl...maybe
March 1, 2020 3:33 am

Rebuttal food for thought re. the “you didn’t build that” argument, especially as Obama tried to use to shame us with his “vision”: For those of us who have a long line of ancestors (one side of the family were “settlers”, not “immigrants”-there is a difference) that goes far back before George and Martha, those ancestors DID build it. Obama’s mother’s family built some stuff (Boeing airplanes, for one) whereas his father, not so much, unless one can value producing subversive half breeds. Anyone who has had a productive job or career (I had both) built it-as opposed to Bernie, who did not do a God damn fucking thing that was worthwhile.

M G
M G
  The Priest's Son
March 1, 2020 8:25 am

I just paused for a moment to assess your moniker and am now wondering if the priest is male or female.

One can’t be too sure these days.

We’ve got to change the direction of the discussion away from who built what toward who is tearing everything down and who is letting them do it?

I suggested it is time to educate ourselves on how far they’ve come with the algorithms… can they actually change the information you see before you know? Absolutely.

I’ve seen them do it. I used to work with some people who wrote code for big data networks storing information in Utah. I “get” how the words are sorted and parsed and filed away for future use.

I’d always assumed data was deleted after a certain amount of time, freeing up storage space. I assumed it was finite, storage space.

My son told me “they” (whoever they are, they seem to be the authority) have determined cloud storage to be infinite and the capacity for increased efficiency for search algorithms limitless.

Great. It really is all written in a big book somewhere.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
  Hardscrabble Farmer
March 1, 2020 8:46 pm

Nobody is moving here to farm because taxes are more than you earn so it is easier to live in town and collect welfare.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 12:59 pm

You’re absolutely right of course. We don’t need anything earthly where we’re going.

M G
M G
  grace country pastor
March 1, 2020 8:26 am

Look at my musings on the “Big Book of Data Storage” in the sky!

(To The Priest’s Son, above… whose moniker is worth noting, eh? I’m teasing, but it does seem plausible doesn’t it, that there might be a big printout of all our online indiscretions?)

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  robert h siddell jr
February 29, 2020 10:51 am

But the tax men won’t get it?

The spread of any pathogen is always much higher in urban areas where people are closer together and there are more shared surfaces.

Basic precautions, situational awareness, proper sanitation and a healthy immune system are your defenses against any type of illness.

I think if this ever becomes something along the lines of the 1918 influenza outbreak- virtually impossible due to improvements in sanitation and medical advances- the cities will be the epicenters of the outbreaks.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 29, 2020 5:41 pm

The Spanish flu is believed to have started in rural Kansas as a disease that infected swine and then crossed species barriers and infected people. Many of the victims of the Spanish flu were young, healthy and possessed of a strong immune systems and it is surmised that those strong immune systems killed them due to what is referred to as a cytokine storm.

https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/flu-epidemic-of-1918/17805

https://www.google.com/search?q=cytokine+storm&rlz=1C1WPZB_enUS775US775&oq=cytokine&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l6.7231j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The Priest's Son
The Priest's Son
  Mygirl...maybe
March 1, 2020 3:45 am

The Kansas angle is correct; however it would likely have ended there had it not been for WW1, which needed soldiers, some of whom came from the infected, rural area of Kansas. Poor (and infected) farm boys mustered in at what was to become Ft. Riley near Junction City, Kansas. If you were not hospitalized at Ft. Riley you got shipped to the east coast (along with the disease, if you were infected), then by ship to Europe, leaving a trail of the Spanish flu from Kansas to England and France. Some died in New York before shipping out; some died on board ship; some died shortly after arrival, while some made it to the battlefield before dying of the flu.

Not a lot different than travelers going from China to North America in less than 24 hours.

22winmag - TBP's Corona-Treasury Broker
22winmag - TBP's Corona-Treasury Broker
February 29, 2020 9:12 am

Faux is CNN for Conservatards.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=US10Y

View post on imgur.com

mike
mike
  22winmag - TBP's Corona-Treasury Broker
February 29, 2020 12:40 pm

Gillette… and the date reads April 2011?

ASIG
ASIG
February 29, 2020 9:18 am

“The death rate is low” – really? All the estimates of the death rate up until now have been done using the numbers coming out of China, after all that’s all anyone had to work with. I’ve been waiting for the numbers coming out of all the rest of the countries involved with the belief that they will probably be somewhat more accurate. What I’m seeing develop is rather disturbing. When you look at the numbers dead and compare them to the numbers recovered, it looks bad. It’s still early to trust the numbers, their all over the place, but it’s not looking good.

ASIG
ASIG
February 29, 2020 10:21 am

Slightly off topic:

The one thing that tells me that this wasn’t an intentional release of the virus is that “they” wouldn’t have done this until after they had taken all the guns.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  ASIG
February 29, 2020 11:36 am

Medical quarantine “Stealth Martial Law” is exactly how they will get the guns.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
February 29, 2020 10:56 am

Stupid is as stupid does.

ASIG
ASIG
February 29, 2020 12:30 pm

I see dead people; they don’t know that they’re dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUYKSWQmkrg

mike
mike
  ASIG
February 29, 2020 12:41 pm

Checking if I have a hole in the chest… no, still here!

Unleashed
Unleashed
March 1, 2020 1:25 am

In watching the video, it’s almost like we’re being mocked.