You’ll be on your own during the Age of Chaos.
Guest post by Robert Gore at Straight Line Logic
Once upon a time there was a village right next to a volcano. The villagers spent much of their time watching the volcano, which perpetually sputtered, smoked, and fumed. When they first awakened, they’d look up to it. At night they’d watch its lava glow against the dark sky. A special class of villagers instructed them on how to interpret the volcano and how they must live their lives to propitiate it.
Much of what the village produced was gathered by the special class, an offering tax that was supposedly left in a secret spot at the foot of the volcano (somehow the special class always lived better than everyone else). Unusually intense rumblings of the volcano terrified the villagers. The special class would tell them what village security demanded—usually higher offering taxes and more power for the special class—to prevent an eruption. One day there was an earthquake. A fissure opened and swallowed the entire village and its special class. The volcano never erupted.
Turn on the news and chances are the story concerns the special class. History books are mostly chronicles of the special class—their wars, machinations, depredations, follies, all-too-rare wisdom, monuments to themselves, and the invasions and revolutions that occasionally upend them. It goes far beyond propaganda or brainwashing, it is simply an ingrained fixation, accepted by virtually everyone, that attention must always be on the special class and its volcano—government.
We look up to the special class and their governments and ignore that which will render them irrelevant details—the tectonic shifts below. They perpetuate the illusion of control and many of the subjugated want to believe, but the illusion has always given way to failure and irrelevancy and always will.
A society can be likened to an organism. Its members are individual cells. Organisms survive not because one group of cells in the brain directs the rest. Rather, there is constant interaction and communications among cells, much of which bypasses the brain. This optimizes the odds of the organism’s survival. You put your hand on a hot stove, information is communicated from your skin and its nerves to the peripheral nervous system, not the brain, and the message almost instantly comes back: take your hand off the stove. If cells could only respond to directives from the relatively slow brain, the organism would die within minutes. Similarly, the illusion that huge masses of people can be controlled by a small group from the top only guarantees the eventual end of that small group’s control (the historical failure rate of governments is 100 percent) and perhaps the entire society (yes, entire societies do fail).
There is no place where the illusion is stronger than China. Its citizens are encouraged, exhorted, prodded, monitored, coerced, incarcerated, and occasionally executed by the government. Apparently most of them approve of this state of affairs. However, states are neither omniscient nor omnipotent just because the rulers say and the ruled believe they are. Divorced from reality, this misconception can only redound to the detriment of both rulers and ruled.
Perhaps to prove that God has a sense of humor, albeit occasionally a black one, a virulent and deadly virus has effloresced in the heart of this supposedly controlled land and other than support the scientific response, the Chinese government hasn’t been able to do a damn thing about it. It’s origins are unclear, but the virus has escaped China and only time will tell how far it spreads and how many people it sickens or kills. You can read both apocalyptic and nothing-to-fear scenarios on the Internet and SLL has posted both.
The CoVid-19 coronavirus ushers in the new decade and beyond: large, ostensibly wealthy and powerful governments, defeated by aggregations of comparatively minuscule units that collectively work tectonic shifts. Another virus has broken out in China that’s received nowhere near the coverage of the coronavirus. A viral epidemic of souring debt threatens to overwhelm the Chinese financial system and spread beyond China’s borders.
Tacitly recognizing that it can’t stop this epidemic, only administer triage and palliative measures, the Chinese government no longer backstops all significant debt via financial and accounting hocus-pocus. One yuan is a slip of paper or a computer entry, trillions of them due and payable have overwhelmed the system. Companies and individuals are defaulting and going bankrupt; creditors are taking losses. It’s not supposed to happen in this harmonious and just showcase of socialism with capitalist characteristics (Or is it capitalism with socialist characteristics?) but there you have it.
The CoVid-19 and debt viruses reinforce each other in unhealthy ways, as China shuts down production to quarantine its citizens. The all-knowing, all-powerful government is left with a damned if it does, damned if it doesn’t choice: prematurely restart its economy and fuel the epidemic or quarantine everyone and watch the economy and financial markets tank. Bureaucrats and politicians propose, entropy disposes. The more you try to control, the less you end up controlling. There’s a certain justice to it.
In modern governance, there is no more minuscule unit than the individual, so minuscule that it’s completely ignored. Propaganda pays homage to democracy—aggregated individuals—but democracy is mob rule, the wolves deciding which sheep are today’s lunch. The trick has always been to give the sheep the illusion of choice while they’re fleeced and herded to the slaughterhouse.
Even that illusion is breaking down as individuals keep making unapproved choices, although they are still mostly within the noxious confines of mainstream politics. Trump wasn’t deposed. Brexit is happening. The Yellow Vests continue their protests. Matteo Salvini is the most popular man in Italy. Angela Merkel’s reign is fading in Germany. Democratic officialdom is apoplectic at the possibility that Bernie Sanders might win the nomination, coalescing around a corrupt child groper who appears to be suffering from dementia.
Sanders is an avowed proponent of socialist control just as the Age of Control gives way to the Age of Chaos. His supporters, mostly detached from the humdrum details of their own survival, would be in for a rude awakening should he be elected—they can actually “control” very little. They may well be confronted with an uncontrollable guerrilla insurrection from those slated to provide for their survival.
No institution is more wedded to control than the military, but guerrilla insurrection against imperial empires and would-be conquerors is in a long bull market that started just after World War II and shows no signs of topping. Indeed, it appears to be gathering steam. The US military hasn’t won a meaningful war since World War II. It’s a sign of the corruption and evil of our time that perpetual chaos and devastation have become the ends of war, for the nefarious power and profit it confers on those who wage it. They labor under the oxymoronic delusion of controlled chaos.
“Uncontrolled” chaos induces panic, nowhere more so than among the controllers. That panic is palpable, and has been since SLL posted “Desperation” a month before Trump was inaugurated. They cling to the belief, shared by some in the alternative media, that if they can just control what’s called the narrative, they’ll be able to control events at home and abroad.
The controllers have co-opted the mainstream media, academia, think tanks, Wall Street and big business, Hollywood, and professional sports. Respect for all these institutions has tanked. Millions of people have simply tuned the controllers and their acolytes out. Viewership of the emblematic Academy Awards hit a recent low in the US this year, 23.6 million, which means that over 300 million didn’t watch Hollywood’s self-congratulatory bromides and hectoring lectures. Viewership of any one network’s nightly news rarely reaches 10 million, and daily readership of the big mainstream press organs, both print and internet, is rarely above 5 million. How do you control a narrative if nobody’s paying attention to it?
The narrative is one thing, reality another. Russiagate was a narrative that failed, and so too was Ukrainegate (the number of American people that took either “scandal” seriously never got much above 1 percent). The Chinese government controls narratives, but Chinese people are getting sick and Chinese companies are going broke. “Don’t fight the Fed, the Fed has your back” was the narrative right up until the stock market plunged just after making all-time highs. Seems that short of closing markets, nobody can control millions of shareholders screaming “Get me out!”
The special class has never been able to wholly suppress individual conscience. In every age there are those who insist on telling the truth, regardless of the risks. They’re often signing their own death warrants, but they tell the truth. The honor roll for our age includes Katherine Gün (I recommend Official Secrets, now available on download), Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Craig Murray, who has reported on Assange’s kangaroo extradition proceeding and told the truth for those who care to learn it (see craigmurray.org.uk. As the special class sinks further and further into its own morass of lies, truth tellers and the truth itself will loom ever larger as a threat.
The ground is rumbling but it is a mere harbinger of the full-blown Age of Chaos earthquake. The special class clings to narrative management and rule by fraud and force, dreaming its dreams of ruling the entire globe. Murder is the ultimate control—corpses offer no resistance—and they’re quite willing to destroy the world to rule it. Humanity’s last, best hope is that the earthquake hits full force and the Age of Chaos arrives before the special class can fully implement its homicidal designs.
You can keep your eyes fixed on the special class and their volcano. You can hope that quarantines, travel bans, closing public venues, face masks and disinfectants will protect you from the Covid-19 coronavirus. You can pray that central bank fiat debt, bailouts, and government economic management will save financial markets and the economy. You can believe that all this talk of rising discontent, secession, and insurrection is just talk and nothing will come of it. You can close your eyes, plug your ears, and try to inoculate yourself against truth and reality, all the while screaming for somebody to do something.
Or you can prepare for the Age of Chaos. Your fate means less than nothing to the special class and its interests are antithetical to yours. It would rather kill than save you—you and yours are on your own. Accept that reality and you have a chance. It’s not quite as daunting as it might seem—there are many people out there of similar mind. If the special class doesn’t kill us all, the Age of Chaos may ultimately offer an opportunity —for those who want to do so and understand what’s required—to live in freedom, peace, and prosperity.
Elites within elites. Opposing agendas. We pay the price.
Is that a haiku?
Sex Pistols had it figured out a long time ago…
Too many problems
Oh why am I here
I need to be me
‘Cause you’re all too clear
And I can see
There’s something wrong with you
But what do you expect me to do?
At least I gotta know what I wanna be
Don’t come to me if you need pity
Are you lonely you got no one
You get your body in suspension
That’s no problem, problem
Problem, the problem is you
Eat your heart out on a plastic tray
You don’t do what you want
Then you’ll fade away
You won’t find me working
Nine to five
It’s too much fun being alive
I’m using my feet for my human machine
You won’t find me living for the screen
Are you lonely all your needs catered
You got your brains dehydrated
Problem, problem
Problem, the problem is you
What you gonna do
Problem
Problem
Problem…
Problem, problem
Problem, the problem is you
What you gonna do with your problem
The problem is you
Problem
I ain’t equipment, I ain’t automatic
You won’t find me just staying static
Don’t you give me any orders
For people like me
There is no order
Bet you thought you had it all worked out
Bet you thought you knew what I was about
Bet you thought you’d solved all your problems
But you are the problem
Problem, problem
Problem, the problem is you
What you gonna do with your problem
I’ll leave it to you
Problem, the problem is you
You got a problem
What you gonna do
They know a doctor
Gonna take you away
They take you away
And throw away the key
They don’t want you
And they don’t want me
You got a problem
The problem is you
Problem, what you gonna do
Problem, I’ll leave it back,
I have a problem, you got a problem
Problem, problem…
Some Animals are more equal than others, as always.
But, ALL Animals taste good, when properly marinated.
Prepare accordingly, generous amounts of lead, gold, and silver will help.
Hyper, Perfect! What a classic! We need a classic punk rock post, just like the classic weekly post. I’d be be glad to volunteer. Don’t know how to effect that though. Godspeed. I like the sun especially in winter:
Rock on in the mosh pit, dude!
Breakaway but expect to be rejected, attacked and crucified for it.
Jesus was.
Day Late Twofer Tuesday is really late, but there’s something for you there.
A minor quibble.
The people parading around proclaiming they control events are just actors in this drama. Trump, the Congress and the Supreme Court occupants are just window dressing. They control only what they are allowed to control by the Deep State; the Military, Federal Reserve, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc and the corporations that provide them with resources. When their usefulness abates, these actors will be cast aside.
When, not if, but when the SHTF, the pretense offered by these political actors will disappear and the reality of the military dictatorship that the US has been for decades will become apparent to all.
The Military has been systematically looting the country for decades with the current accounting of their theft at $23 Trillion. The true owners of the country are the only ones capable of sustaining this theft over decades with no one supposedly in charge even mentioning it.
Now I split a few hairs of details. I don’t see it as anything but a patronage mob. I don’t think it’s so hierarchical. The infighting will intensify. In time the military will realize that the reins are theirs for the taking. Then there will be civil war among military factions. That is basic Roman history. Rubes and cosmopolitans are disposable pawns in this game. Nevertheless, the use of symbolic figureheads will persist. Congress will be kept like the Roman Senate was, for a long time as pure optics. The sultans kept the caliph line alive as optics and to delegate masturbatory administration of the religious masses. Death-cult American patriotism is a de facto religion.
The insiders don’t know who has how much power without infighting, and the order and timing are crucial. Maintaining the status quo is what they will do until they suffer, not you or me. If any elitist goes after another too early, and that includes military men, they lose. Bush fired a general for telling him he needed more boots on the ground in Iraq to get the job done. How’s life for General Flynn? The shit show is just getting started. I don’t think most folks fear how long it will take for this matrix to lose control. Christians have such an inflated sense of self-importance. Yes, I’d call it masturbatory. I fear the Fourth Turning was too optimistic about resolving this by the late 2020s. This outpost is the Christian vanguard, finger on the pulse, and lost all the same. Christian googles are their own truth.
Behold!: “As the special class sinks further and further into its own morass of lies, truth tellers and the truth itself will loom ever larger as a threat.”
What wonderful googles! The truth shall set us free! We don’t need the 2nd Amendment. We only need the 1st. We can’t lose our god-given inalienable rights. Think of all the money and affluence we could save if we abolished the police and jails. We could simply immobilize the Left with our Truth Bombs. They have yet to be hit with a logical proof of their essential hypocrisy. What a weakness the Left has, running the table these past 50 years outside the straight-jacket of probity! They are so handicapped by their evil ways! Muh LIGHT of muh TRUTH will stops dem! You are so good with women too. Have humans ever formed a hierarchy without generally accepted lies? Never. That governments fall does not prove they are or were inherently wrong. What is human? For 99% it is being a subhuman cell looking to join an organism ‘that is greater than yourself’. Baaah. Muh shepherd! Baaah.
Shame on those bad Christians…
http://kenpulsmusic.com/pilgrimsprogress63.html
don’t always agree with you on things mark, but pilgrims progress was a turning point in my life… thanks for the memories
theOtherDan,
I think Christian Zionists are complete dupes when it comes to modern day Israeli.
As far as the Christians who are not preparing for the persecution that is already worldwide, and coming here soon with great tribulation, because they believe they will be Pre-Tribed out, I disagree with them on that point as well. However, I don’t let that last point divide us…and if they are right no harm no foul, but I follow my own study and heart on that critical timing issue.
I have posted countless times about who I believe runs the world, TLPTB – L = Luciferian.
This might be better…TLBTB…The Luciferian Banksters That Be.
On Pilgrim Progress, yea, it had a profound impact on me too. I have read it three times, but hands down this to me is the best version:
I don’t know what is going on but the version. I want to to post is the Modern English version by L. Edward Hazelbaker, not the one that comes up?
On not agreeing with me on everything…Good for you! I have been wrong so many times I’m getting tired of telling that guy off in the mirror.
thanks for the positional elucidation i’m relieved to hear it….regarding the disagreement allowing division… i’m with you. brethren are brethren. for me it was when pilgrim’s companion asks him: “… but what does it mean to believe?” hit me like a lightening bolt
one last thing… i used to joke – “i don’t know who the top-level group of men (that run the world) are but i would bet that when their boss shows up for the meeting he’s sporting horns” but remember… the lions were on chains – their authority was held in check
Just look at the latest HBO series “The Plot Against America” It is a fictional rewrite of history (written, produced, and acted top to bottom by Tribe members ) where “Nazi”sympathizer Charles Lindbergh beats Roosevelt to the presidency. For Jews to maintain their primacy in OUR culture, they have to relentlessly propagandize White Christian saps as to how they’re somehow responsible for the fake Holohoax. And chastened White dumbasses perpetually bend over for their Zio masters. Pathetic.
Nietzsche had it sussed: Christianity IS the slave religion.
Men who need protection from themselves are too costly for existence. You cannot enslave someone to free them from themselves. The cost of doing so to the keeper is prohibitive, unnaturally so. Only some supernatural law could make it so. I know I can convince you not with earthy truth. There’s always causing discomfort. It makes me feel better to fight for what I believe. If my enemy ‘means well’, does that mean I should not fight. If I cannot trigger, not cause but trigger, enough discomfort to cause change, then there is no change, and my tormentors continue in their ignorant ways. Either way, I prefer to cause pain because I win a gain either way. There is something salubrious about winning socially, which is relative. We are tethered to reality however imperfectly, but we know when we go from loser to winner. To win a fight can be very cheap compared to losing. To keep on losing does not teach anything but poor mental health of the defeatist if not worse. What I do is NOTHING to what the Left will do. If this training is not constructive, oh well. Imagine if you can what has been done without fanfare and without historical importance in the last few decades in the name of Christianity. No less than child abuse. No less than subjugation. No less than extortion. No less than guilt peddling. What you see in all that is your capacity to behold its beauty. I have never seen it, though I tried my best with the innocence and sincerity of a boy with intellectual integrity. Faith is not intellectual integrity. I did not realize there was a conflict there or what I was, but damn if my parents could tell me I was no good 10 ways to Sunday.
all men need protection from themselves… if you don’t believe in laws then i presume you have no problem with murder… including your own. don’t get me wrong… i lean heavily libertarian. and i firmly believe that when the founders used the term ‘self-government’ they really meant “start by first governing yourself”
you sound as if causing pain as you call it, is for you, the end rather than the means to it. but the fact that you have selected Christians as a particularly worthy target, tells me volumes…. it should you as well.. have to run and start my second job – peace
sorry one last thing -Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen … so you’re correct it is NOT intellectual integrity… thank God ; )
-theOtherDan i’m on a different computer i’ll have to figure out how get my name over here later
“but damn if my parents could tell me I was no good 10 ways to Sunday.”
Doug,
I’m sorry about your childhood, you have it explained it before, and I have said that before.
However, constantly lashing out at Christians will not heal that pain.
Bad parents cover the spectrum of fallen beings who are human.
Speaking for myself I feel no discomfort from your now routine seething, and attempts to shame Christians.
Like I said to you once before, your rant above in a long list of bitter rants is obvious:
Hurt people…hurt people…or at least try to.
i suppose to be fair i would have to ask you to better define what you call “mid-Acts” dispensationalism. However, the term to most Christians implies that perversion of Christianity that was conjured up by Darby and Scofield. I will summarize as succinctly as i can. i asserts that the One who changes not… changed. There are different Church ages to be sure but God did not change. Redemption was -always- through God’s grace. Even for OT Israel. You accused me of following a man because i said that i was a Calvinist. By using your logic, you follow the above two men. But knowing the nefarious history of these individuals, I can certainly understand why you would want to invoke their names under any circumstances in an effort to convey basic tenets of your beliefs. The NT Church IS Israel the doctrine that was long established prior to the above perversion is known as supersessionism
i do not want to get into a theological debate here. the thread has been hijacked enough, and really would prefer not to engage in a fight that puts a smile on the face of who i believe is our common enemy. i’ll give you the last word here but if you choose to do so i would ask that as part of your response, you would elaborate on your hermeneutics which is where i was headed in our previous encounter.
-theOtherDan
You lick the jackboots of your ‘common enemy’. What scares you is not a lack of physical cover but mental cover, Anonymous. You are willing to throw away the West so long as you don’t have to look at it. You would rather go along to get along and suppose yourself a spiritual warrior, perhaps a prayer warrior. Meanwhile, in the real world kiss it goodbye.
i beg your pardon – i lick the jackboots of my enemy? who the hell do you think that you are? you know nothing of who i am and what i’ve done. i’ve been auditied twice both times to no avail because i know something that you don’t or if you do you’re too chicken shit to do it. You sit here behind a screen and write thinking that you’re some hot shit. i spent a night in a 6×8 cement block because actually had the audacity to threaten to use my 2nd amendment rights to protect my property rights. Tell me hot shot what have you done? i could go on particularly in a matter where i had my property stolen from me under eminent domain that incident occurred years prior to the night of fun in the porcelain palace. come on let’s here it. where have you laid your ass and i mean really laid your ass on the line. my son was pulled over for a moving violation and several cops attended the event. he was told, for my benefit i’m sure,”we’re all here because we though xxxx senior might be in the car”. take a look around genius, the west is long gone already.
i’m not anonymous (not sparticus either)
-theOtherDan
oh did i mention, the county is about to initiate another enforcement action against me because i refuse to condescend to their theft of my property rights. at a minimum it’s going to cost me hundreds of dollars -again- and possibly another night of fun at the county jail… you sir are a piece of work!
and one more PS .. nothing scares me anymore… seething anger is a fantastic insulator
Sorry for you troubles. I hope one day there will be a propitious opportunity to fix things. I don’t think it’s now. I have doubts of ever. Trump has the Right enamored with their chances for the next four years. Who is there to save but yourself and your family? At least you got one. Best of luck to you, and us all. There is a season for everything.
And who is your ‘common enemy’? You were referring to me. I won’t let you conquer the world with your Great Commission? Murder is wrong? Murder, like rape, presumes property rights. I won’t talk past you. Why bother? Well, you have challenged the police more than I have. They enforce a zero tolerance policy. There’s really no middle ground. Some of us hope for ‘one day’, and I don’t mean Jesus has all the fun. Your statement ‘all men need protection from themselves’ is total cuck, even if you can kick my ass easily, and I suppose that’s likely enough. I’ve heard that sing-song before. You’d be a unicorn to think all men need law and order for their own sake’s and also a rebel rouser.. Agriculture -> culture -> government. Before government is culture. You who want big government rather than to be the governing (as a patriarchy) are cucks. You might be tough, but Gospel values are antithetical to freedom, i.e. defeatist sabotage, in a world of savages and manipulators. You must kiss someone’s jackboots to have post-cultural, post-patriarchy safety. Maybe women are your moral authority. I don’t know. But I know and you know the saying those who would give up freedom for safety… But hey, what do I know. I need bureaucrats to ‘protect’ me from myself. Can’t have people settle things until there’s producer cliques that get along fine, now could we. Might makes right. We don’t deserve land for a country if we won’t ‘murder’ for it from time to time. If you won’t, plenty of others will. They just do it so slowly it’s something you can ignore or whatever. My nasty two cents.
you’re talking jibberish. and murder is different than killing out of necessity for a greater good. why the hell do you think i want “big government”? like i said above i’m a calvinist. we expect to win so we equip for it spiritually, intellectually and if necessary physically and we don’t cotton much to tyrants or pricks. it seems to me you should look for a better set of values. there will always be authorities in this world the goal is to make sure that they understand that they are servants and not masters, that their authority is derived from a higher authority and of course to put in place an earthly mechanism to enforce the above. i’ve lost children because i’m a white male patriarch and damn proud of it we built this country and now it’s my turn to pick up the task to rebuild and restore – choose your friends wisely and you may want to reconsider who you consider your enemies.
i’m almost sixty kicking someones ass is moving off of my radar… the brain is a more effective weapon and as for “a day to fix things”… that day is -always- today!
Couldn’t agree more on your point of moving to brainwork. That’s what male experience is for: cultural refinement and transmission. My interpretation and yours on that shall never find common ground unless we fight the same physical thing, which would require open hostilities on a large scale, and we are not cut out for that scenario. You identify as a patriarch and I respect that. I wish I could know what it is to be a capable father. My mental autonomy is my only victory in this struggle. The flight into supernatural certainty is not something I can respect. You can’t respect the lack of spiritual vision, faith, or whatever you might call it. Carry on. These digital eddies of disagreement are worth not a Continental. Something to be said for social expressing oneself in these times. Real life is that barren. Different organisms respond differently. You certainly know thyself. Be assured that despite your convictions I know myself. Such is life.
Try these gcp
1. Lets Get It Right Blog!
(uncovering the errors of dispenstionalism) Part 1.
http://www.pbenson.me/2018/04/17/the-ostrich-theory-uncovering-the-errors-of-dispensationalism-part-i/
2.youtube site 1nemind 2-28-17 Israel and the church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=96&v=FHE4eVqL_14&feature=emb_logo
3. http://www.rootedinchrist.org/2008/01/01/be-careful-of-mid-acts-dispensationalism/
I don’t expect you to read or view these links based on your selective use of what you tell God you will or won’t believe in His Bible. I put them here in case someone you badly misled sees them and investigates your false doctrine.
4. http://www.rootedinchrist.org/2008/01/01/hyperdispensationalism-and-the-new-covenant-dangers-false-doctrines-truth/
Please, investigate everything I say, very carefully, comparing scripture with scripture.
I call this Voluminously Denying the Antecedent. The burden of unceasing proof is placed on the recruit. It has devastating effect on the young and cooperative. Philosophy is salvation if narrative is not, behold:
11. Truth requires little explanation. Therefore, beware of verbose doctrines. The great principles are revealed in brevity.
Mid-Acts states simply that believers today find their “marching orders” from the apostle Christ sent to them, Paul… and nowhere else. I invoke no names… ever, save for Christ alone. I agree that God never changes but will certainly add that the ways in which He deals with mankind most assuredly does. To not see this in scripture is to be willfully blind to it.
The NT church does not yet exist. It is Jewish. See Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8. It did for a short while in early Acts, but God, in His wisdom, called Saul the blasphemer as Israel fell and turned the world upside down defeating satan on earth AND in heaven.
Colossians 2:13-15 KJB… “And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
Agree that salvation has ALWAYS been by grace… but at sundry times and in diverse manners does that grace occur. Today it is by grace alone through faith alone in the shed blood of Christ alone… no works tolerated lest any man should have capacity to boast. Yesterday and tomorrow it will be by enduring till the end; this dispensation of grace having interrupted Daniels 70 weeks at number 69.
Generally speaking, I don’t speak to “most Christians” because I’m under the impression that “most Christians” simply ain’t Christian. Nor do I seek to “hijack” a thread nor start a fight, unfortunate you feel that’s the inevitable destination of such conversation… I’m just talking here. Folks will read or folks won’t.
You accuse “my kind” of Zionism and I’m not a Zionist which Darby and Schofield were. I asked you to explain that. I’ll wait patiently…
You believe in and preach Zionist false doctrine but you
claim you aren’t a Zionist. Fr was right, you didn’t check the links, just obfuscated. Pre-trib Rapture and Dispensationalism, Acts 9, 2 or any other flavor are Doctines of Devils. 1 gram of truth and 10 pounds of deceit.
“You believe in and preach Zionist false doctrine…”
You sir are a liar. I do not.
just so you know, i don’t down vote any one. if i respond at all it will be with words… would you kindly quote the sentence where i explicitly call you a zionist? i can’t seem to locate it. whether you are or are not a zionist is a moot point now. the NT Church began on or near the time of Christ’s ascension, thus began the “great commission”. Regarding only following Paul, i would point at that the most quoted book of the Bible by Christ was…. wait for it…. Deuteronomy. i suggest you broaden your vantage point. You state:
” believers today find their “marching orders” from the apostle Christ sent to them, Paul… and nowhere else” if this is so then why are you quoting other books? Putting it as kindly as i can…. your hermeneutic is utter chaos.
crap, now i’m back to being anonymous…
– theOtherDan anyone know the magic sequence to make this somewhat more permanent?
“would you kindly quote the sentence where i explicitly call you a zionist?”
I already did but will repeat myself since you missed it the first time.
“You believe in and preach Zionist false doctrine…”
That would be the definition of a Zionist. A thing I ain’t.
“the NT Church began on or near the time of Christ’s ascension, thus began the “great commission”.”
You mean this one?
Mark 16:16-20 KJB… “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
I suppose this describes you accurately? Such gifts will surely come in handy during the great tribulation!
“if this is so then why are you quoting other books?”
Our marching orders do come from Paul. He is the Apostle of the gentiles (Rom 11:13). The whole Bible is of incredible value however; with the foundation of the mystery being constructed on that which was prophesied.
“Putting it as kindly as i can…. your hermeneutic is utter chaos.”
I appreciate your kindness but your conclusion is lacking a great deal of understanding and I suggest you begin to study far more. Use scripture to make your points rather than just telling me I’m wrong. Concepts will be advanced more effectively.
Jesus quotes Deuteronomy as often as He does because He was speaking to people who are under the law. With the calling of Paul we were freed from its obligations (Rom 6:14-15). The Jewish NT church did find its beginnings in the early Acts period but came to an end shortly thereafter with Gods dispensation of grace. It (the Jewish NT church) will begin again with resurrected remnant Israel at some point in the future (Heb 8-9); post translation of the body.
Apologies for the late reply.
the quote above that you attribute to me, wasn’t from me – it was from anonymouse… that’s all
my concern wasn’t about hijacking or starting a fight… it was the putting a smile on our enemy’s face… take a look at the posts he had a banner day because of foolishness
What puts a smile on the Devils face is Christians accepting heretics as Christians by not condemning it promptly and firmly. Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.
ah, but forbearance is a Christian virtue… if for no other reason than to be a witness to those who are watching. -I- appreciated the links – thank you… i always loved the quip from Edmund Burke…’ we are well past the point where forbearance ceases to be a virtue’ and perhaps that was the case here.
theotherdan I only found this by way of a link and just don’t have time to go into any detail and won’t have for awhile but you’re doing just fine with it. Some differences are not detrimental to faith and are quite healthy but Pre-trib Rapture and any of the many forms of dispensationalism do and have spawned even more error due to it’s satanic origins of dual means of salvation and 3 comings of Christ. You sound like you are familiar with the early Churches even in Pauls time where heresies were ruthlessly debated and put down. Even the famous Inquisition was due to Jews converting for the purpose of introducing false doctrine which caused pain and hardship on ordinary Jewish converts. Luthers arguments were hardly go along to get alongs around the campfire replete with marshmallow sharing.
Fr W,
regarding your last two sentences…someone from this site i believe but not sure, put me on to the book by E Michael Jones – the jewish revolutionary spirit it was a long tough slog. his writing style can be quite disjoint almost eclectic at times but the core material was riveting it tied so many loose ends together. The biggest problem for me personally w/ dispensationism (in any form) is the fact that it attacks the very nature of God (make Him a schizophrenic) and i agree with your assessment above… it is intolerable.
theotherdan He can be found or used to be on TradCadKnight. Judaism Is at judaismis.com has an excellent easy to use reference website.
Making Him a schizophrenic is an excellent expression. I’m leaving tonight and won’t be back for several months. Keep fighting the good fight.
safe travels
“The biggest problem for me personally w/ dispensationism (in any form) is the fact that it attacks the very nature of God (make Him a schizophrenic) and i agree with your assessment above… it is intolerable.”
Congratulations! That is quite literally the silliest thing I’ve ever heard and I’ve heard a bunch.
1 Corinthians 12:5-6 KJB… “And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.”
ya.. me and 2 thousand years of Church (NT) history we are a silly bunch. oh that’s right there is no Church presently, God just lost….hmm what’s the word i’m searching for… oh yeah, continuity that’s it. and i love your description of the Bible … what was it “of incredible value” actually that -one- really pisses me off. all of the Bible is “inspired” track down the theological understanding of that word… you’ll catch my drift.
you admonish me to quote the Bible in my responses.. i have and i do. the problem is most people (yourself included) quote w/o or at least w/ insufficient depth… FYI it’s why most people just get turned off by verse quoting. there’s a deeper understanding in the Bible that is necessary for evangelizing. it needs to be drawn out and applied in more sophisticated ways than just eclectically quoting verses.
I’ve already assessed your ability to read w/ discernment… even before you made the error in attribution above. you know my position and i know yours – let’s just leave it at that shall we?
“oh that’s right there is no Church presently, God just lost….hmm what’s the word i’m searching for… oh yeah, continuity that’s it.”
There is a church in existence of which you religionists are unaware. It is a new creature, the church which is His body.
Ephesians 1:17-23 KJB… “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”
again with the slinging of a verse as if more is better. are you telling me that “we religionists” aren’t aware of the Church being Christ’s body? take a look at the westminster confession of faith for the definintion of the Church (they do proof texts with B. verses and everything – so don’t be afraid.) wow… just wow.
Again with no scripture to back up what you say? Why would I examine some Westminster confession of faith when I have Gods inspired and preserved word of truth in my hands?
You religionists, by being anti-dispensational, betray your own ignorance of the mystery church (the body of Christ) that was not revealed until God called Paul in Acts 9. So yes… I am saying you are not aware of what the body of Christ actually is. It is not the Jerusalem church in early Acts. It is not the scattered church being addressed in the HEBREW epistles. It is not the churches in the book of Revelation.
How might I spell that out more clearly for you? 2,000 years of religious history, all wrong. If you study the Bible you will even learn that some of Paul’s letters were being corrupted at the time of their writing in order to confuse and confound believers. Thus it began. Thank you nefarious Jews. (Wait, I’m supposedly a Zionist, how could I say such a thing?) Fortunately, God said He would preserve His word and we have it here in a King James Bible just as believers had Paul’s original letters so long ago.
When you miss what God gave to Paul, you miss the biggest picture… the Bible rightly divided. As has always been the case, a remnant gets it right and religionists have been persecuting and killing that remnant from the beginning. It’s a rare thing for me to see a new criticism leveled at the mid-Acts position. I’ve seen em all and I’ll be here waiting for yours…
The above scripture I “slung” out there is one of Paul’s greatest prayers for people like you. Think on it.
2 Timothy 2:7 KJB… “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.”
Believe what you want. Or, pay attention.
Pastor? You wouldn’t last 10 minutes in a forum of legitimate clergymen and bible scholars. Masquerading as a pastor on an obscure secular site is an indication of your fraudulence.
anonymous,
could you please identify who it is that you are addressing, just for clarification.
g.c.p.
I’d accept that challenge anyplace, anytime you anonymous coward. My contact info is 2 clicks away.
g.c. I’m just an occasional lurker with no time for third rate fools who drown every argument in verses. Get thee behind me Satan.
My buddy said that to me, he thought he was being cute. It seems that if you quote some worthwhile verse to an unbeliever, they whip out that line. They imagine that they are rejecting temptation by quoting Jesus but all they do is show their gross ignorance. Morons.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You call GCP a third rate fool. I could come back with the admonition about calling anybody a fool but GCP might protest that he is a first rate fool for Jesus. You are not defending yourself very well, Anon.
This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.
ec,
please stop… it’s getting out of hand. there are bigger topics today.
2 Timothy 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
Then ignore me.
I have entertained similar ideas. He does not show evidence of a decent seminary education, that’s for sure. Now he may be a pastor of some church. There are many churches who basically don’t have any real standards, don’t require formal ordination, just “God called me to PREACH!”
The KJV emphasis is a dead giveaway. The NT sources from which it was translated are not as accurate as what we have now (we have far more and earlier Greek NT documents), and the nature of language itself has changed. Some words do not mean the same thing today as they meant 400 yrs ago.
What is bizarre is his propounding the whole ‘secret code’ or some-such. Yep, everyone got it wrong. Nope, Peter & John weren’t Christians. Gosh, how would we know ANYTHING about the life of Jesus? Apparently we cannot trust the Gospels … this is tough sledding.
I actually met a woman who took the opposite stance (also false) that what Paul wrote was not at the same level as what the Gospels portray… less inspired or something like that. Weird … but she didn’t like Paul saying she should submit to her husband (not too surprising she was intelligent and attractive but never married).
You certainly take delight in taking passages out of context! Reread the entire chapter, this is about spiritual gifts. It isn’t talking about differing means of salvation. Your hermeneutics need some better training.
Also, above you quote from the long ending of Mark. This was clearly an addition, as the oldest manuscripts don’t contain that passage. And for those who doubt the reliability of Scripture, we know with 99% accuracy every Greek word in the original NT documents. God has preserved for us a riches of ancient manuscripts, far more than anything else from antiquity.
Dispensational theology is dangerous mostly as I see many people who expect to “be raptured” out of the world wrestling with their faith as things get worse.
I’m not into Hermeneutics, Apologetics or Dispensationalism; like the boy said about vegetables, I don’t fuck with that. You are a well-trained theologian, great. The apostles were poor fishermen. Early converts were not looking up terms in a concordance. They were listening to the word. Theologians speak with each other and understand each other, poorly trained regular folks share the gospel with other poorly trained folks who need to hear the word; the message the devil works so hard to keep from them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
ec is comparing apples to oranges to save his pal from being exposed as a fraud. Challenging frauds and false doctrine was all in a days work in those days you allude to. It’s clear you haven’t followed this from the beginning or examined any of the links provided. Pure emotion.
OK, you posted that ‘get behind me’ line and now you are saying ‘pure emotion’. I wonder if you take a class on how to beat down Jesus freaks with quick put downs. Next, you are going to call me a legalist.
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
You guys want to persecute a person because he believes Paul. I don’t understand the sound and the fury against Paul. It was Paul who brought Christianity to the world, otherwise it would be nothing more than a Jewish sect.
i’m not trying to persecute anyone… i have been trying to break away from this thread almost since the beginning. but i am going to say one final thing on it – i look at the infighting, the squabbling, the bickering over so much of this (and things on other threads) which is pointless and i shake my head. we’re supposed to be on the same team.. and it’s no wonder that we’re losing and it’s grievous to me…. regarding the down vote (1 and counting i suppose)
ya – whatever
If you consider the parables, they are not a formula for success like the Mosaic Law. They are examples of just how flexible god is willing to be if you are really serious. You can’t try to game the rules, you just have to be honest with yourself and god. There are many self-appointed refs. It’s a little harsh to see GCP abused when all he is trying to do is share the truth. If some folks have a better idea, they can share it, no need to call him names, we shall all be judged one day. It will be a surprise to GCP’s critics when he is called a good and faithful servant…
EC…
“There are many self-appointed refs. It’s a little harsh to see GCP abused when all he is trying to do is share the truth”
And, from another one of your comments:
“I appreciate the distinctions, they make sense.”
Now, one from ‘theOtherDan’:
” it was Christ that brought Christianity to the world…”
And one from Flea:
“He came to fulfill scripture….”
I have spent a great deal of time learning from what GCP has provided, (with never a need to insult each other) and I appreciate the distinctions, they make sense. In all this thread, I’ve not read an explanation as to the Mark 16: 16-20 quote GCP posted above:
“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
A verse/concept that I wrestled with, and was made very clear by the ‘dispensation’ that GCP offered…….
“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” Mat. 5:9
That word, ‘peacemakers’, appears only once in the KJV
RESPECT to you, EC….
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——-== real chaos is coming !
Known as Seth to the Egyptians, and Apophis to the Romans……
An excerpt from GW Bush inaugural speech in 2001:
"After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson:
We know the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?”“Remember the situation George W. was facing on January 20, 2001. Left Wing Illuminist President Bill Clinton was passing the baton off to Right Wing George W. Bush. While most of the Illuminists throughout the world were sure that George W. was just as Illuminist as Clinton, they were looking for a sign or signs during the Inaugural ceremony that would confirm their belief.”
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/inaugural-address.html
https://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1464.cfm
That ‘god’ of chaos doesn’t just appear at a Cosco’s …..it is everywhere, in everything………
no. it was Christ that brought Christianity to the world. and it was Christ that stated that because the jews had rejected Him that salvation comes to the gentiles. and it came by the cross and resurrection and it is understood using the -entirety- of Scripture, thus the need for hermeneutics. why would anyone throw away 2k years of study by incredibly devout men? sigh….
…. many who were martyred
The apostles were not evangelizing the non-jews and even if Peter did so, he tried to turn them into jews rather than into Christians. I’m worried that you do not understand Jesus’ ministry. He came to teach and to die for our sins.
EC.
He came to fulfill scripture not start a sidewalk ministry. You are the one confused.
If you want to follow gracie off a cliff, go for it but you do so at your own peril.
I won’t follow him off a cliff. Neither am I one of the anointed few who can slice and dice a word so that it means exactly the opposite of what we believe. I just read the bible and keep my mouth shut concerning minute differences.
You know that I’m right but you want to argue whether dispensations are real. I appreciate the distinctions, they make sense. We had a pastor using the law to justify collecting tithes. Actually, it was used to prod people into paying up.
I once heard that the NT replaced the OT. So it’s not impossible to accept that Paul replaced the apostles. Jesus was ministering to the Jews. The apostles were given the assignment. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles and traces Jesus’ arc. He preaches, heals and is persecuted just like Jesus. Still, he preaches Jesus and not himself. Peter is not so successful, he is dumbfounded by Jesus’ transformation. Paul is converted with the same blinding light. Peter almost sinks trying to be like Jesus and walking on water. Paul has the faith to believe his boat will not sink.
But people don’t believe in miracles. Miracles did not convince the Jews. Faith comes from hearing, not from arguing about the word of god.
CEE Dog.
We’re buddy’s, I’m not going to argue about it with you just wanted to tell you what I think about it.
Isn’t it great when I am able to sow dissension in the body of believers?Instead of fighting me they fight each other,thus making my life easier.
Praise Satan!
SR, what branch of the military do you recruit for?
The People’s Liberation Army,The PLO,take your pick.
T.O.D.
I feel I should alert you to GCP and his tactics. His first comment on here several years ago he condemned stucky and RINS to hell while preaching fire and brimstone. Nothing but agitating, Condemning and scattering verses all over. If you ever saw the Tribulation chart he uses to Splain things you’d gasp.
His trade in stock is obfuscation and accusation, pure and simple.
If my sister catches me arguing with him I will get barked at but wanted you to hear a different side than EC will give you. You are free to discard it or use it.
i understand him (gcp) and have dealt w/ his ilk. there is a fear and uncertainty to his tenacious adherence to the simplicity of his beliefs…. that’s a good thing. throwing around a lot of verses provides cover for not having a “full-orbed” understanding of what emerges once all the verses are “connected properly”(creeds) thus the need to be “raptured out”. again, going back to the initial comment (mine i’m sorry to say) that started this ruckus… it’s why we’re losing. we -must- do better.
T.O.D.
In those days men won’t tolerate sound doctrine. Not much sense in me debating it because I have to watch my heart, can’t afford to many points on the + side.
got it… it’s all hard on the heart
You guys! How did you ever get to be this old by being saps? You have to test things.
12 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who work hard among you, who care for you in the Lord and who admonish you. 13 Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. 14 And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else.
16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil.
the first up vote was mine 🙂
We have tested it. That’s the point. The whole dispensational/pre-trib doctrine has been refuted repeatedly. It was only until 1850 that it was repackaged and then sold to schofield around 1880 that it got a following.
GCP says he is not a follower of Schofield, he is not a zionist.
EC.
Actions speak. He preaches and defends 2 glaring heresies that were created by and bankrolled by Zionist Jew bankers in NY in the late 1800’s. Schofield was a shyster lawyer on the lamb from Missouri and the Bankers supported him and funded the reference bible bearing his name and paid to have it put in every seminary in the country. From there the classic line about “The Misinformed Tell the Uninformed Who Become the ILL INFORMED”. It goes back to the Stalin remark about let me educate the youth and I’ll have them for life. It really took off when Hal Linsay wrote late great planet earth and finally the Hagee evangelical movement.
AS Casey would say “Ya can look it up”.
You never lifted an eybrow to check out williams links or you would know this.
He professes to dislike Zionists yet defends and spreads their heretical doctrines to the death.
I’m done. My bp is up. follow that devils doctrine if you want.
Flea, calm down. His stuff is a step up from the Pentecostal teaching I got – it wasn’t much, let me tell you. Most of it was a hodge-podge of tithing, demons, temple fund, etc. Anyway, I got dis-invited after I stopped tithing.
I wish you’d been there to set me straight. I don’t know why it is that nobody ever fucking gave a shit that I was going straight to hell for various crimes but the minute I started going to church, the damned evangelists came full force to convince me I was going to hell for being a Pentecostal. What the fuck?
My buddy got really worked up when I quoted several bible lines out of context. Therefore, GCP’s link where the preacher is talking about looking at the context of passages is sensible to me. That is the part of GCP’s link that I liked and profited from.
I’m still learning, one thing I learned today is to discuss salvation with people who never heard of the gospel but stay away from theologians. I don’t have the learning to discuss theology. I imagine if I said something about Degas vs Warhol, I would get an earful from Big Red.
C Dog.
I grew up the same way. My dad died before I was big enough to kill him. Never talked to me except to holler orders to split wood or hoe the garden and raised welts from my ankles to the back without once telling me why mom never touched me after I came home from being born. My big sister was my mother. So I never had reason to doubt that God hated me. I learned everything by doing it wrong 3 or 4 times and used violence to get what I wanted or did without.
I’m not a theologian I do know what he says about leading one of these the least astray and that God has rules and we can’t just make it up as we go. A sweat black lady was given control over my life on the enebriate ward in portsmouth VA and taught me how to ask god to reveal himself to me and then get out and look for him. If we ask for the truth with an honest heart He will teach us but we have to be willing to get rid of any sacred cows we want to keep. Anything I know about anything started with those 3 months with her.
Flea, I showed up in church like I was runnin’ from the devil. Nobody had to evangelize my ass. I devoured the bible in a week or two. I was on fire and god spoke to me through the words in the bible. A particular passage got to me – For I am with you to save you, declares the LORD. Though I will completely destroy all the nations to which I have scattered you, I will not completely destroy you; yet I will correct you in measure, and I will by no means leave you unpunished.” … – but hey! I would live.
Almost 6 months to the day I ran into church, I was in an accident. I didn’t care about dying but my daughter says she prayed while we were in the ambulance, god, don’t let us die, it’s not our time. The emt answered her, you won’t die. And she said, thank you, god. My then wife said she saw our daughter and she was afraid she would die, she looked at me and she knew I was going to die.
That’s my religion, I read the bible and god speaks to me. Many of the verses I post are simply things I recall when commenting and I look them up to get the correct wording but they are in here, in my heart. Non-denominational stuff.
“He professes to dislike Zionists yet defends and spreads their heretical doctrines to the death.”
NAME IT. Show me where I’m wrong. Use scripture.
Read Paul from 2,000 years ago. You’ll find it there.
Fleabaggs
How did my article launch an extended theological discussion?
Bob.
Twernt me. It goes way back up to Reality Doug’s reply in the middle paragraph about Christians having an inflated or even masturbatory inflated sense of self at 12:44 on the 6th. Then Gracie got offended over some line he presumed was directed at him and it was off to the races.
You just never know what’s going to happen with these things.
This is Paul speaking…
1 Corinthians 4:10-16 KJB… “We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day. I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.”
As if that were a bad thing? Do we not need to learn?
“His first comment on here several years ago he condemned stucky and RINS to hell while preaching fire and brimstone. ”
Bullshit. I condemn no one. I’m not empowered to do so. I teach/preach grace and peace. To you… as that was/is Paul’s function and why he is still hated so. Read the opening sentences of his EVERY epistle.
“and it was Christ that stated that because the jews had rejected Him that salvation comes to the gentiles”
It WAS Christ who said that, but through Paul.
Romans 11:11 KJB… “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.”
What, what? Do you actually see this?
Try these for starters.
1. A 30 minute video on youtube channel called 1mind dated 2-28-17 titled “Israel and the Church” http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=96&v=FHE4eVqL_14&feature=emb_logo
2. Let’s Get It Right!Blog
The Ostrich Theory(uncovering the errors of dispensationalis) Part 1.
http://www.pbenson.me/2018/04/17/the-ostrich-theory-uncovering-the-errors-of-dispensationalism-part-i/
3. http://www.rootedinchrist.org/2008/01/01/be-careful-of-mid-acts-dispensationalism/
4. http://www.rootedinchrist.org/2008/01/01hyperdispensationalism-and-the-new-covenant-dangers-false-doctrines-truth/
It’s unlikely anyone as selective as you in deciding what parts of the bible to believe will watch or read these links. I’m putting them here for others who may have been misled by your false doctrine.
I stumbled upon this site by way of a link to Uncola’s article. I hope you aren’t representative of the depth of intelligence and selective thinking here.
Try these gcp
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=96&v=FHE4eVqL_14&feature=emb_logo
on youtube at 1nemind dated 2-28-17 Israel and the Church
2. Lets Get It Right! blog 4-17-2018
“ostrich Theory” (uncovering the errors of dispensationalism)
http://www.pbenson.me/2018/04/17/the-ostrich-theory-uncovering-the-errors-of-dispensationalism-part-i/
3. http://www.rootedinchrist.org/2008/01/01/be-careful-of-mid-acts-dispensationalism/
I don’t expect you to read or view these links based on your very selective method of telling God what parts of His bible you are going to believe. I just put them here in case someone you have misled might look at them.
I only stumbled upon this site by a link to Uncola’s article. I hope you aren’t indicative of the depth of thinking here.
Matthew 23:9 KJB… “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Eat my shorts “priest”. That’s just for you and no one else.
and i would add that there is -at least- one layer (of men) probably more that sits above what you call the deep state.
No one sits above the guy that controls massive fire power and is willing to use it. The guy that is willing and able to kill you wins. That’s the military.
wanna bet? or more to the point… pray tell who IS that guy?
It’s the entire military top brass and anyone they’re willing to tolerate and listen to, not one guy in particular.
“an entire military” doesn’t ‘borg-like’ collectively make a decision. and i never limited it to just one guy. i said layer. i do believe that the top layer consists of less than a dozen. now i would just love to continue the pissing contest but i have friday fail porn to peruse.. nkit.. nkit wait for me : )
There is a good joke there waiting for you…I expect an up vote! (You have to agree with it’s point).
ok… i’m thick … i’m missing it
crap… still looking… too much to load when i find it, i suspect an up vote will follow
got it (so did you) problem is.. as a guy that raises beef cattle for a second job, it hit a little too close to home
theOtherDan
Ha!
Good for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5yTuNhj74
some people are dumber asses than others
i have a grandbaby named otto and he likes lucas
That is adorable. Since RG encouraged you, I won’t gripe at you.
Not here.
I would like to inform you about the SES. They are the senior executive services. They are the unelected, appointed rulers over all levers of gov co. Look em up. And ask why have you never heard of them before.
Interesting that you mention SES. When Matt Bracken wrote “Enemies Foreign & Domestic” he brought this out as a central plot element. Not just the power, but the vying for MORE power. Yep, it always happens.
The Rabbit Hole gets deeper and darker. Thank God, I get to see the light sometime.
Wow. Thank you. I had no idea.
The military is not a guy. There is yet an interlocking dependency among the gravy train riders. Fighting first greatly reduces the odds of winning last. This is a long, long, painful process. All the fingernails get pulled out first. Base people can’t learn. They are autonomic. This process is regular, seen in white-man history over and over. We have not learned how to short-circuit this phenomenon. It is too late to stop this decline. The best we can do is plant the seeds of knowledge to help posterity figure it out before it’s too late again. And solutions are obvious.
Another quibble… When you touch a hot stove, it begins what is known as a “reflex arc.” The nerves send a signal to the central nervous system, in this case the Q2 quadrant of the spinal column. The reflex response is then sent through the nerves where the signal elicits a response on the myofibril level which causes fast twitch response of the muscle and prevents a more serious burn…the peripheral nervous system is different.
Your analogy was partially right though, this complex process does not travel the spino-thalamic tract all the way to the brain as that would be ineffective for the needed speed of response. The fact that the spinal cord “thinks” , in its own way, is another example of the wondrous creation which is the human body.
Thanks for the clarification. I was going off a more simplistic Internet article.
Sick of the excuse “the deep state”. The DS is an idea, just like patriots idea of freedom. There are no rambos just freedom loving couch potatoes that become fierce warriors when tyranny arrives.
There is no special club, No persons, no rituals to join the deep state. It is our politicians simply making back room deals that are good for them And bad for the citizens. They have sold out the usa to foreign manufacturing, sold our borders for free welfare, sold your children into our future debt of the buyers of the country’s we owe.
We need full assed chaos and burn this shit down and redo. Using the deep state is a cover for “if i knew who the DS was maybe people would hold me more accountable as a keyboard warrior and well, my fat assed couch potato sitting ass, might actually have to so something other than type feelings on a screen”. …..you see we are all jews, doing nothing, always thinking they are not coming for me but i know i would have the courage to act if they ever did come for me……..when they came they told me they were taking me some place warm for BBQ and i believed them. Looking back now that i do not have a choice as i am being pushed into the oven, i am still a keyboard warrior and daydream how rambo i would have been if i knew what i know now. Yeah, i would coulda shoulda kicked their asses. Bye now as i am in the oven….
We, like every other citizen worldwide, as history has shown, do nothing just like chinese scared sheeple. 99% of usa citizens will do nothing to protect liberty….but they will go to their deaths telling the world how if they knew the outcome how they woulda been a Rambo and stopped it. Because thousands of years of written history could not teach them…….bullshit. They are scared pussy’s that dont have it in them to fight back but brave enough to die in a govt slaughter…..
some of us have most certainly fought back tangibly (and i still am) – see my post after surreality doug went off(unfortunately i’m “anonymous” on that post. private property right are my big issue. i’m sick and tired of everyone thinking that the second amendment is there to protect the second amendment. that’s just stupid. it’s there to protect all of one’s rights. they do this of course because there is safety in numbers. i’m waiting for the day when individual start slugging it out on their own… like i did. that’s when the rubber meets the road. as for me i will continue my personal battles. i don’t mind being on the front line… i just don’t want to be the ONLY one on the front line.
You’re like Glenn Beck to me. If you stay within the secular, I just agree.
God is firmly in charge. My cowardice is a virtue. What would Jesus do? What would Job do? Clearly, you are not adequately propitiating the Christian God.
There is no god.
Stop deluding yourself with religious mumbo jumbo.
I’m loving the nit-picking amongst the various flavors here: “I’m a pre-Trib lapsarian.. anti-dispensational whatever.”
You all sound exactly like the 92 genders.
Chubby, Chubby, Chubby,
Yes, we have some minor, completely unimportant differences.
Here is the simplicity of the eternity that starts at the end of everyone’s beginning…everything else won’t matter one bit.
Jesus’ Sinless-ness
Jesus’ Divinity
No Works, Just Christ
Heaven and Hell
Jesus is the Only Way
Conclusion
If you cannot agree with Jesus’ sinless-ness, His divinity as being God, as that it’s in Christ alone we’re saved, and that Jesus is the one and only way to enter the kingdom, and there is no other way given to us to be saved than by God granting us repentance and then trusting in Christ. The next time someone asks you, “What must I do to be saved?” you can answer like Paul did: ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household’” (Acts 16:30-31).
Or you can mock or shame or not believe.
Free will.
Your choice.
Your eternity.
Sorry Mark, couldn’t help but stir the pot here… ?
Matthew 24:13 KJB… “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
“Enduring unto the end” is a work; something one MUST do in order to be saved. This verse contradicts what you and I both KNOW to be true. How do we reckon it without contorting it to fit within our “grace alone/faith alone” belief system?
Not necessarily looking for a written reply, just putting that out there as a thing to consider as time allows.
No problem Pastor…just wanted to keep it boiled down simple.
I like Chubby…we have exchanged posts before. I was mad at God and turned my back on Him for 22 years. I eventually realized my arms were too short to box with Him…couldn’t land a glove.
Shame on you Shame…you’re a liar, a thief, and a blasphemer…who wants to escape moral accountability…me too…
Only problem is…so far…you’re the one who won’t…
Thanks for the opportunity to point that out!
No, go back and read James. It is true faith being demonstrated BY your works. Now there is a huge amount of ‘cheap grace’ believism going around. I have struggled with that myself. Sanctification is absolutely necessary AS A SIGN that you DO belong to Christ. It is not done IN ORDER TO BE SAVED. Jesus did the work on the Cross. Period. But, genuine faith will ALWAYS endure to the end, it will ALWAYS result in sanctification (albeit varying degrees), it will ALWAYS be accompanied by a desire to be more & more like Jesus. It is to those who do not find themselves exhibiting these qualities I would suggest careful prayer.
Pilgrim’s Progress was mentioned elsewhere. It is interesting to note that Christian is still carrying his burden after entering the wicket gate. He doesn’t lay it down until he sees the cross. This is autobiographical as Bunyan wrestled with himself for months about whether or not he was truly saved. The Puritans tended to pay little attention to ‘conversions’ but were far more interested in seeing someone’s life change in the months following. They expected to see CHANGED LIVES from true conversion. We could use more evidence of this around us today.
This may be semantics, I don’t want to do battle with you over this. I am more than happy to fight against dispensationalism, however 🙂
And y’all always end up resorting to that creepy passive-aggressive EXTORTION of “hell for eternity”.
There is no eternity that I will consciously experience either in a good place or a bad place.
Arguments involving eternity hold zero appeal, since an eternal “heaven” sounds like just as much a torture as an eternal “hell”.
No appeal…just what is real.
The most widely recognized verse of all, even by those who are not Christian is John 3:16:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
But to keep it in context the following verses 17-18 say:
“For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”
Like I said, you can mock or shame or not believe.
Free will.
Your choice.
Your eternity.
Your air punches.
I would like to open you up to the idea that perhaps there IS an eternity. The place outside of time itself. Outside of this 4 dimensional reality. Outside the boundaries of length width height and time. Mass less. Without mass. For time is a physical reality. And you need mass to exist in this world. What makes the computer do what it do? That hardware has mass. Has length width height. Is susceptible to time. Ahhhhh but the programs. They make that computer do what it does. Those programs. . . Are without mass. They exist outside of time and reality as we can know it. Like YOU. We can see the hardware. But what about the REAL YOU? The real you that exists in eternity? Seated in the heavenlys outside of space-time. The real you. Here is but a shadow of the larger reality. Hope this gets you thinking.
donmako,
gcp doesn’t think that i throw around enough Bible verses…. (smirk)
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
His point is quite valid, though. People HATE God, that is what sin does to us. We are all enemies of God until He changes our hearts. This relates to the issue of sanctification that I just addressed above. For those who “said the prayer” and go on about their (unchanged) lives and show no interest in holiness, it is incoherent to think that they would desire to spend eternity in the presence of a Holy God!
Read Isaiah 6, here is this godly man called to be a prophet of God, but when he finds himself experiencing this ‘presence of God’ all he can do is remark that he is undone / unmade due to his own sin. All of us are so poisoned by sin that we are naturally at enmity with God. Only by His grace do we even consider Him. To be told of one’s profoundly fallen nature is quite offensive in this narcissistic culture.
-ApoloDoc-
No God for sure.Total Indoctrination.Just a coping mechanism for not smart people to produce dopamine in their ape,s brain.JUST LIVE AND LET OTHERS LIVE.To my experience, most clergy are fuggots and lazy crazies,who love to put their stupidity on others and live at their expence.CORONA unlished by nature will fix this problem within 2 years.God has a black humour…
What most people fail to realize is that religion and government are essentially the same thing. One led to the other; which came first is lost to time.
“Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
The sword and cross were allies.
Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
Both robbers, both beggars.
The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.” – Robert G. Ingersoll
It’s this ridiculous belief system that’s at the heart of all the worlds problems.
One asshat is crowned president and his OPINION removes the choice from hundreds of millions of people with different opinions.
A group of asshats (Congress) gets together to formulate laws (OPINIONS) enforced by thugs that remove choice from millions of people with different opinions.
A very select group of asshats (Supreme Court) provides their OPINION on the inevitable conflicts that arise from trying to absolutely define life and what is and isn’t allowed and how things should work.
The clergy are all just con men or delusional idiots. The Vatican and the Catholic Church in particular is the worlds oldest criminal organization, perpetrating a fraud that the intelligent see through and the dupes revere.
Anarchism and atheism are the only sane positions to take with respect to the gov’t and religion.
Keen observation. Training people to police themselves by enlisting their own minds makes policing their bodies feasible. However, the last paragraph I do not accept. A team of men will have more power than a single man. Culture and patriarchy: a well-regulated militia being necessary. Anarchism is an unnatural ideal. A team will agree to defeat outsiders always. That’s sane and natural. Atheism is the religion of no religion. I am agnostic. That does not define me as much as it asserts what does not define me. The philosopher knows secondly the fact of his ignorance. Firstly, he knows the fact of most everybody else’s ignorance. I love philosophy. To some extent, you do to. There is no universal bliss state to seek. If we all cooperate, we can compete differently: that is all. Some one will cheat and is either made the big loser or becomes the big winner. Let’s just go from win to win if we can. Solutions are obvious.
As an anarchist (rules but no rulers) I have no problem teaming up with like minded individuals to thwart some emperor wannabe.
The trick is to find people with minds open enough to say – ‘There is no one above me. There may be individuals equal to my station, but there is no one I answer to.’
Most people haven’t the courage or desire to not be a slave.
I’ve gotta say that no matter what, someone will always be in charge. We all collectively screw up when we fail to heed what the One True God, The Living God, YHWH Ha Elohim has already set out for us how to Live. Period. Rules bro. You follow em and will continue to follow some rules right now that our creator set up. Like laws of physics, laws like conservation of angular momentum, laws made buy the ultimate law giver. Diss God all you want but he is the creator. All creation is evidence of Him. Laws don’t create. The Creator does. Just cause you add 1 +1 doesnt put any money in your bank account. It takes outside work put In to make that. Hey yer a smart person right. Lets give ya lottsa lottsa credit and say you know half of everything there ever was and is to know about everything. You don’t suppose that maybe God could be hanging out it that 50% of things you DONT know? Be honest now.
Sorry, but I stop reading when someone starts to throw god around because I know they’re operating from altered state of consciousness.
I prefer the real world.
we don’t care what you do!
which, for the most part is -nothing-
I mean, he is called “The Most High God”. By altered state that would be lover of the truth. I mean how many times can you bust somebody in a lie and take em at face value for everything still? And how many times can you do the same thing over and over expecting different results. Yer last post leads me to believe you might be pondering bigger things than just the here n now. Good for you. I’m rootin for ya
“When you understand why you don’t believe in other people’s gods, you will understand why I don’t believe in yours.” – Albert Einstein
I think of religions as Technologies: man-made organized structures that favor enhanced breakdown of energy surplus for No Good Particular Reason. Building cathedrals and pyramids and soul-less mega-churches, fleecing the elderly, amassing power.
Plus, like Harry Potter books, the stories are sometimes entertaining. Something to do, place to meet people and gossip about them behind their backs.
At the present time The Devil rules this World.
Mathew 4:9
Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9“All this I will give You,” he said, “if You will fall down and worship me.”
2 Corinthians 4:4
1 John 5:19
Yes sir…
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJB… “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
If you are a friend of the world you are an enemy of God. Pretty simple. Sums it right up. Most of the real God haters and super atheists just have a problem with accountability. We’re all guilty. All worthy of death and eternal condemnation. But the huge difference is I know I’m guilty. And worthy of nothing less than death and eternal condemnation. But I have a Lord and Savior. He paid the price for me in full. I need Him. I’m thankful for what he has done. Seek truth in all things.
“Or you can prepare for the Age of Chaos.”
Robert,
I’m organizing a meeting with four other neighbors to get serious about our previous discussions to support one another in whatever is coming. Once this nucleus is well formed there are other possible neighbors to add to the core group. Everyone is already well armed, two are ham radio operators, and everyone has rural land that has self-sufficient reality.
I’m with you on the preparing for chaos…even tribulation.
Always enjoy your perspective.
You’re miles ahead of most, including yours truly.
FYI – Maggie would prefer you say “including me”.
Everyone’s an editor. It’s okay, I’ll take all the editing I can get.
Since you brought it up, I’m reading it through and midway bumped into this and if you intended it as a pun on tolls/taxes, then I get it.
But, if you meant “uncontrolled” chaos, you might want to correct it.
Biologist on a Bike. Where else but on TBP?
Meant uncontrolled, will correct on the original on SLL.
good grief
bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
because she’s such a snotty beech about writing and stuff
Or 99
You know, I’m getting a complex coming by and seeing the continual rise of upvotes on Paula’s slam.
Am glad you paid attention.
Uncola would write “this author included”
Amen. All you church folks should form NATOs. If the swat team is not surrounded, they win one by one. I suppose I will live to see what Christian conservatives will do in that situation. I suspect there will be a narrative to it, no blatant door-to-door confiscation. I think it will be a game of get the kook, get the people most peripheral and work inward. White supremacist kooks and Ruby Ridge. Branch Davidians. Remember the lesson of Martin Neomoller: evolution or at least incremental change so gentle like the hand of a female pickpocket. Nudge, nudge of Sunstein. If they disarm the populace slowly enough, you might not notice. Which is why I’d rather see a radical in the White House. The Left voters want a radical to break or democratize the corrupt system. Right voters want to reform the system by excising the corruption, but hands free. Joe Biden will keep it together and nurture it like all the blue bloods. Anyway, it slightly warms my heart that you have such a glorious report. I wish I had allies like that. May the bullets be with you.
It’s not complicated…You want to have a brother/sister…you need to be a brother/sister.
Stop it. Some of us don’t need fairy tales. How about this: I’m a homosexual. I came out of the closet and I feel so much better. I’m a man, you’re a man. You would feel better if you came out of the closet too? You see how your logic works? You would force me into your mold. That, sir, is abuse. You could say I am doing the same to you. Fair enough. We can’t get along. I believe there is one little difference. You’re mold is based on fantasy. My certitude is based on reality. I am not going to mold you. I don’t seek to mold you. On the contrary, you are too molded. It is complicated. I am mentally a higher form of life. Beyond your comprehension, like the homo that thinks you’d be happier with some friendly, loving penis up your ass. Stay out of my mind with your cowardly perversion. If I would turn to religion, I’d rather choose Islam. Respect, motherfucker. They got their conformity too. It’s all such nonsense.
Oh come on dougie…your attempts at 2 am shaming rants, constant bitter whining over your past, insults and highly puffed up opinion of yourself are getting old, sad, tiresome, and last but not least repetitive.
We can’t get along??? Do you even re-read the crap you post sometimes. You have more personalities then Sybil on a vodka binge in a room full of mirrors.
Stay out of your mind with my prevision??? Then you vomit out your sad lonely prattle.
Sorry if my simple sentence ‘triggered’ you…go away and find a safe place and sulk and brood and whine some more.
It is a beautiful Saturday, the sun is shining! I’m shaking the dust off my sandals, have chores and better things to do then waste my time reading you’re lost…seething self-pity.
http://kenpulsmusic.com/pilgrimsprogress63.html
PS: You need to move out of the Valley of Humiliation.
Winning! Know that no man who requires a shepherd can be my brother, brother. We both have so much better to do with our lives. Pretend the gravy train has not taken away every decent path in your life. Lick that unseen elephant in your face. Taste the truth. Same time tomorrow?
Mark, i think the best thing is to cease and desist… there’s a proverb that’s applicable here (pearls) … but at least now i understand. there is a time and a season for everything.
theOtherDan,
I already told Shame I was shaking off the dust from my sandals. He can also be a lost Talkative – kind of a ‘winning’ Charlie Sheen in his own mind. Besides I have had two dogs brutally kill one of my two beautiful cats I am fond of…my oldest hen…and seriously wound another hen. I have dealt with them…but my heart is heavy.
Thanks for your words…you remind me of Valiant-for-truth.
https://www.gradesaver.com/pilgrims-progress/study-guide/character-list
are the dogs able to be trained or are the dogs no more?
i’m sorry for your loss i have seen dogs wipe out entire flocks of chickens but also had a cat that wiped out about 30 3 wk old broilers…. sucks.
I got there in the nick of time, as they were just getting warmed up.
They belong to a neighbor and they have gotten out and killed pets and animals before. Over a year ago they killed our 18 year old cat.
I gave the neighbor grace and didn’t report that killing (had photos before they ran off) that was a mistake.
They seem to be ok with people but killers of small animals of every type.
I got them to come to me and tied them up, called a Deputy Sheriff and he called Animal Control and I filed.
I’m done.
The neighbor is a nice family, but these dogs are roaming often, and that is on them.
Will see what the system will do, as I now reported the first killing too.
So far crickets from the neighbor. Everyone in the area is fed up, dead cats, ducks, chickens…no evidence…but they are at the top of the suspect list.
we’ve had this exact problem twice. the dogs would also run down in our marsh chasing deer. my brother was out deer hunting once…. he didn’t waste the opportunity.
we’ve had this exact problem twice. the dogs would also run down in our marsh chasing deer. my brother was out deer hunting once…. he didn’t waste the opportunity.
“The CoVid-19 coronavirus ushers in the new decade and beyond: large, ostensibly wealthy and powerful governments, defeated by aggregations of comparatively minuscule units that collectively work tectonic shifts.”
Kinda reminds me of an old movie…
I tried that back in 2012-2013 and wouldn’t recommend it. Preparing offers more dignity and is far more gratifying; although I still believe the Age of Chaos may be an optimistic view. Certainly, chaos affords freedom to an extent. But in other ways, not so much. It’s because, in the midst of chaos, the unprepared demands order – a desire always granted by their “benefactors”; and usually accompanied by a bonus bowl of soup.
On another note: After much deliberation, and after hearing the online lyrical pronunciation of the word “effloresced”, I’ve decide to place it into my top ten favorite words – thus reassigning “acidulous” to # 11.
Irrelevant details? I think not!
Enjoyed the article very much. Thank you, Robert
Thank you Uncola. It’s quite an honor to use a word that you place on your top 10. I had to look up acidulous, which surprising means what it sounds like. Not, however, to be confused with assiduous.
personally i like uncontolled chaos once in a while
I’m a big fan of chaos in all its many varieties.
and mags said you did not have a sense of humor
!!! (I appreciate your tolerance of my strange friend from Oklahoma, RG.)
Written by an American without the slightest nuance of irony…
Q.E.D.
It’s a true statement. They have a working point system out in the open. They invented the wheelbarrel. They used to wear pigtails as a token of subjugation. But then again, the Chinese will never exterminate themselves like the Greeks and Romans did. Domesticated whitey just can’t live without Daddy Government. What would we do?
Bob.
“and They’re quite willing to destroy the world to rule it”. That’s what makes it so difficult for the relatively normal mind to believe the worst about the Special Class.
As Ayn Rand so perceptively pointed out over 50 years ago, the deaths they desire the most are their own.
She really said that? I don’t believe it’s true regardless. She was friends with Alan Greenspan, and effectively a feminist. Her husband was probably some sort of Christian typical of today.
It was in Atlas Shrugged.
I read it but don’t remember that part. I don’t agree with the idea. I think the Left has a completely animal perspective. Animal success causes decline because animal freedom is mighty low in sophistication.
Perhaps the greatest scenes she ever wrote, towards the end of the novel, it encapsulated the entire book. John Galt is on some electrical torture contraption and it stops working. He tells the moral goons administering the torture, one of whom is James Taggart, how to fix the machine. Taggart realizes how completely dependent the goons are on the men and women of the mind, even for the technology necessary to torture and kill them. He also realizes that given that dependence, his desire to kill Galt is a desire to kill himself. The death he most wants is not Galt’s, but his own. The realization destroys him. Shortly thereafter, Galt is rescued. It’s a part of the book and an assertion that nobody talks about, because of what it implies, but I believe its key for those of us who do want to live to understand what we’re up against. I featured that scene in an article long ago, but I can’t remember which one. You shall know them by their fruits.
I hear you and to the best of my ability disagree agreeably. They don’t care about Western civilization. They don’t care about clean running water, shelter, clothing. They care about freedom. Dare think this: This is the government and the freedom they actually want. 50 years is enough to see the consistency. If they are driven by relative status, they will tear down others to build up themselves. They are a mirror image in the Hegelian dialectic of the Christian conservatives, who build up others in their image and never accept that it is impossible. Christians intend to build themselves up by inclusion rather than exclusion, but the narrative is defended first and last in each case. What humans would throw away this expensive gift of post-Industrial civilization? Answer: humans who can’t see post-Industrial civilization, post-Industrial culture and cooperation. Imagine seeing only your place in the hierarchy, having that be your all, and knowing intuitively by generational programming of history that your ilk always loses to white men. I know you won’t see it. You must see a brotherhood that I say is not real. You must see evil to be purged from the saint in everyone. I see baseness to be purged from humanity. I don’t like that I come here over and over to express myself, but I have no audience otherwise. I disagree. We are fundamentally different. Do your life you way. There’s no harm in each of us living our lives as we see fit now. The culture is either deconstructed into oblivion or a degenerate quasi-culture of domesticated capitulation, again IMO. This process is deterministic. The country remains are FUBAR. It’s every man for himself, and that certainly does not preclude cooperation. It refines it. That’s what collapse does. I think we agree at the secular beginning of this corruption but are world’s apart on where that deterministically or otherwise inevitably leads. I suppose that is more agreement than usual IRL.
Rand (Ailsa Rosenbaum) was an atheist and an objectivist ( to use her term). There is no evidence that her husband Frank O’Connor was philosophically or religiously inclined one way or the other. He was an artist in his own right, an accomplished painter, and a homosexual who by all accounts was nonetheless steadfastly devoted to Rand throughout their lives together. At least once in Rand’s case and probably more in O’Connors case, each had extramarital sexual partners, but, again by all accounts I’ve read, never without the other’s prior permission. Though Rand claimed otherwise, O’Connor was not the epitome of the various Aryan-like masculine virtues which she infused into her fictional heroes.
I had no idea the mister was not being cucked and swung the other way. That’s news to me. Regardless, the libertarian intellectual (and she was) was a de facto feminist. Dagny Taggart was grrrrrl power. She went from premium to John Galt #1 in three easy fornication steps. In real life women lose value when they lose continuity with a man that knew her younger self.
I think they intend to depopulate the world. Georgia Guidestones.
They’re not doing a very good job of it…
That was great.
You should post that on Straight Line Logic tonight.
HSF
Thanks, and I will indeed think about putting it on SLL tonight. I’m not sure it meets my exacting standards. I need some great syrup. Do you have any of your great syrup available? If not, when can I place an order?
Robert
even i saw what you did there and i am an okie
And a bit of a flirt.
I’ve got no problem with flirts.
Bwaahahaha! I swear that guy could have been a comedian.
I pictured HF a little differently.
A small point, but thanks Robert, for using the correct word, Chaos and not Anarchy.
uncontolled chaos
Who skipped Apartheid 101?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
Funny the “Chinamen” was a Red Commie infiltrator all along!
140 years later and now you know how “infectious” those ethnic Chinese can be.
Cry me a river; ethnic apartheid is necessary sometimes.
Now if we can just have “Democrat liar apartheid” and fence them off in the pits of hell.
wotz your deal anyway
Great last line, 22.
All I see is…never mind. I had too many craft beers tonight ????????
when i come see maggie this spring i want to meet you for a few craft beers
Name the time and place! Springfield is about halfway. Jeff City is quaint and picturesque.
She is serious. I have the bunnies almost ready to be separated from the mean mommy bunny. Otto is claiming either Silver Hare or Little Stinky for his own. If her daughter says Otto can have a huge rabbit as a pet, she and her son might actually take the trip to come get the bunny.
HSF is the Tom Sawyer of Maple Syrup Farmers… he gets everybody else to come tap his trees because he makes it sound quaint and fun. Well, I’m trying to convince kids that raking and hauling bunny poop from under the hutch to the compost heap is fun, too.
I think I will bring them to Jeff City to meet you because I’m tired of Springfield and she likes to come up US 67 through Arkansas into Poplar Bluff.
Jeff City is actually easier for me to do in as a day trip.
Is a plan without a paula for a while… she had shoulder surgery and won’t be riding that far for a while.
Hey, Geneva and I have this great walking talk ongoing about Saul becoming Paul. Did he have any free will in the situation? Could he have left the road to Damascas as Saul?
Maggie – Read your thread and it reminded me of a guy I worked with many years ago who started raising rabbits and did not know what to do with all the poop. He did some research and found out that it was good to add to a worm bed, so he started up a worm farm.
Robert, as always, your rational thinking plows right through the bullshit like a lava flow from Vesuvius. I wanted to discuss a few things about the comments you made in a way you can appreciate. I really am an old dog learning new tricks. But there are a few old tricks people should notice.
Messages can be conveyed in many ways. Sometimes, when the elephant in the room speaks up, everyone in the room refuses to admit it spoke.
1. I am calling this statement out as “hyperbole” and will only note it, not criticize it. Obviously, there are arguments to me made there are other places where the illusion is equally strong and I would argue that in China, it really does not seem to be a complete illusion.
Sure, he stopped the tanks, but then what happened? The news feed was taken down.
2. Robert, I watched that One Child China documentary on Amazon Prime several times, making time pointers and trying to figure out how to make sense of what I was seeing. Your comment that China’s citizenry approve of the state of affairs is accurate, but I don’t think you quite accurately captured the resignation and despair woven into the approbation they demonstrate about their submission to that small group. The women whose babies were taken from them to be disposed of by Party Planning Committee members (mid-wives) were sad, but resigned. “What could I do? It was the Policy of the Party!”
The Policy of the Party. Policy. What could they do?
3.
I just liked the way you said that. It has a nice cadence and says something very well, so now you can either Yeah, Nay, Or OK Whatever me.
Thanks for being nice to Paula. She’s smarter than she looks.
I think this is another example of a small group of rulers convincing a large group of the ruled that those in authority have complete authority to do what they do.
And what a perfect title… The Forgotten Maggies! Yoji is going to have a hard time blaming the “you know whos” about the Maggies in Ireland!
Points well taken on #1 and #2. There probably are places where the illusion is as strong, but to me, China is the epitome because of its official ideology and its size and importance. There must be many people there who do not, in their hearts and minds, approve of that state of affairs, but ostensibly, most do. And thank you on #3.
It was a shame all that nastiness happened when you first started contributing here. But, as they say… it either kills us or we get stronger.
But, you realize it is still trying to kill us.
I would appreciate your review of my Harvard to the Big House post today, if you’ve time RG. He has an interesting history and background.
And, be honest, please. I’m really promoting the biker. Don’t tell Harvard that though. He’s a bit, um, academic in nature and likes those tees crossed a eyes dotted with Swiss on Rye for tea, chop chop where’s my research assistant?
(RG, do you realize I was once a staff editor for a pack of political scientists? This whole experience reminds me that academic editing and publishing is a nightmare. Imagine a roomful of people who analyze the behavior of Congress Critters and Beezlebullian Bureaucrats for a living. And a dozen of them have agreed to write a book about a topic, each with a chapter or two devoted to their own expertise. As staff editor, it is my job to make the chapters work together. They had to have a committee meeting to approve every single chapter and every single change to their prose. Now you know why I sometimes nitpick. The academic types had writer’s lice. Thus the nitpick.
Oh, and RG? This is one of those things my son declares no other mother in the world would just blurt out and do. Whether he is correct or not I’m asking it…
Have you ever been told your are so linear in your thinking you may have Aspergers and do you know what I mean when I say that? My son has therapists where he work who suggest he may have Aspergers and while I agree he definitely has something, I’m not sure Aspergers is it.
And, if you are insulted, realize HSF called me a HOOT and I take that as a real compliment.
So, let me know what you think and you can email it in secret if you don’t want it right here in front of everybody.
(Is that the kind of blabbing secrets right out in the open you were talking about EC?)
MG
I read the Harvard to the Big House article. It was excellent and makes a convincing case that the Covid-19 coronavirus could have escaped from the Wuhan lab. Skeptical as I am of governments and their involvement with science (I grew up in Los Alamos), I have no trouble believing that might have happened, though I don’t think we will ever know for sure.
My son is autistic, or more correctly, he has suffered from vaccine-induced heavy metal toxicity in his brain, so I’m well aware of Aspergers. He has made remarkable strides, but you would soon realize he was autistic if you met him. I don’t have Aspergers and you would soon realize that if you met me.
Thank you so much, RG… this is exactly what I’m talking about when I throw out the idea of diablogging and having a frank and open discussion. I think people spend too much time tiptoeing through tulips when they should just ask if they can walk right through.
I am so sorry about your son. My step-son married a woman whose son is autistic, but he is quite high functioning, except when he gets overly excited. He is 18 now and can attend high school until he is 23 as long as he is not disruptive. I long for the old days when the Special Education Class got to make arts and crafts and they took field trips to the petting zoo (okay, it was a cow pasture) while the rest of us slaved away.
The vaccine connection to all of our ills is a strong one, RG. It is why Google’s Creepy Line is a dangerous one to try to look at too closely. That Bill and Melinda Gates push to vaccinate the world against their will has a powerful lobby in Congress as you know. So powerful I won’t type their name.
My son processes information differently and has always done so. I don’t think he has Asperger’s actually, but he does demonstrate some of the traits, according to some doctor on staff where rocket scientists are creating Medical Skynet. I personally think it is an excuse to dose the whole bunch of them with Adderall (amphetamine) and keep them focused on writing that code 24/7. (A pediatrician suggested Ritalin when he was three and climbing the cabinets in the examination room like a squirrel. I refused and now some freaking doctor at his work has him on basically the same thing.)
Change topic:
You grew up in Los Alamos. That is a wow.
Stucky met Werner von what’shisname. another wow.
My father spent his first night in Osaka POW interrogation camp after shootdown at Dutch Harbor with the Savior of Ceylon who visited the farm when I was a kid. I thought that guy talked funny. (He’s Canadian) When I realized who I’d met? Wow.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/air-commodore-leonard-birchall.html
I met Cheech and Chong. That probably does not surprise anyone.
What’s with mg’s fascination of biker fucking dude. its kinda gross. seems a bit milfed to me. whatever. And that is fucking gross. Let it go. and set your clock ahead.
Chill, CO2. Maggie just has a lot of energy and enthusiasm, she used to be a red rope. Those people are special. Red Rope-itis must be on the schedule of mental issues. She got that way with Uncola also. It’s quite innocent. If you ever took HF’ class in physiognomy, you would know Maggie is a straight arrow, she’s just an awful blabbermouth. If there was no TBP, Jim would have to invent it just to give Maggie some blabbing space.
I get it.
I’m trying to engage a cross blog dialogue and the old fogeys don’t like it. Well, there’s a time to get cranky and call the millennials lazy and stupid and there is a time to realize the hero generation is the Millennial Generation and if you don’t learn to see the world through their eyes and widen one’s viewpoint perspective, they are going to pedal their bicycles right over you.
Or you can continue to ignore the thundering herd of elephants leaving their collective rooms.
The first dude, Harvard has a military sort of background. He’s in the background because J.C. is a true academic research biologist who just happens to use Harvard’s research. Harvard chose to NOT interact here.
Both of these men are highly educated scientist with a passion for truthseeking. Their backgrounds are unique, but whose is not.
JC has already seen his blog numbers rise, but what he really wants to do is help educate people and try to make a difference. He loves to teach, it is obvious, but he is in research. His biking blog was a way for him to do that and I think it will also help bring attention to the blog in a very positive way. After this next episode, I hope his submission is directly to Jim so that my role is minimized. He’s a quick study. I will exit stage left on this one. I’ve got See Mo’ Booty Blog to get finished.
If Carbon Dioxide lover doesn’t like trying the idea then how about he hold his breath until I stop blabbing.
In CO2’s defense, I have also yanked on the wrong chain of some people here who are waaaaay smarter than me. They have silently shamed me with their excellent commentary. Ah, well, live and learn.
What I learned is the new swear word, milfed. Awesome! Apparently, it means – mothers I’d like to milk.
Those people are gone, in case you didn’t notice. I invited you here if you need a place. Anybody else invite you seriously?
C02 is Paula’s guess for double agent man. Of course, she’s only been trained by the Navy and USAF “Beyond TS” level security protocol.
I’m sure TBP folks are a lot smarter than that.
Some of them have no chain. Just limp flaccid members unable to decide what to do to serve themselves best.
I’ve asked Paula to check into the issue. When my laptop got fried last year, Paula recovered it and salvaged the data she has the tools for at home.
I’m now locked and loaded for the next attack.
I don’t really think it is the lack of Oxygen guy but I was surprised at who was involved in the Hollywood Rob viciousness last year.
Surpised, but not really shocked.
But it is why I don’t speak to some except in a professional tone. And, if you are paying attention? That is why they NEVER reply to me.
Today, I received a message from an angel. How about you?
Kiss my hillbilly ass.
Wow… You people didn’t even bother…
You are sycophants of the lowest order.
Very thoughtful, excellent work.
Another very rational thinker. Thank you TMWNN and I hope everyone here realizes what you contribute to this place in the background scenery of our TBP enmeshed lives.
Thank you, and thanks for what you do to keep TBP going.
What RG said, again.
Poor Man With No Name… Maggie answers and thanks him and no one else except RG has the guts to say “boo.”
Paula couldn’t hack the place, folks. That’s worth 20 bucks.
Remember when the time is right and those in control must be eliminated or neutered to where they have nothing and zero power and influence chaos ensues . It has to happen , how devastating to the general population is yet to be known . However these elites who have lived feasting of the producers will not go quietly or peacefully .
Take note the systematic moves at all government levels to disarm the general population .
Hell even the billionaire Bloomberg twit had to back peddle his gun control mantra .
Rest assured the THEY that wish to render the population powerless and defenseless will put up a very effective offense putting all freedom loving Americans on their collective defensive heels . Red Flag Laws !
Thanks to the AGW just doing his or her job , the Nuremberg excuse !
Woo Hoo
Pretty good stuff, but from out here in the weeds, I see a few things differently……but I disagree the approaching ‘storm’ is just a “4th Turning”
[“Uncontrolled” chaos induces panic, nowhere more so than among the controllers]
What I see differently, can’t even be seen. The controllers, the kosmokrators, archons, the agents of the ‘prince of the power of the air’ are behind the course of events. Chaos is fuel……..
From ‘Desperation’ link:
“Regrettably, the building analogy is imperfect, because it implies that those inside are helpless and that the collapse will only harm them. In its desperation, incompetence, and corrupt nihilism, the Deep State can wreak all sorts of havoc, up to and including the destruction of humanity.”
The building analogy needs an architect, with plans and timelines….
“Trump represents an opportunity to strike a blow against the Deep State, but the chances it will be lethal are minimal and the dangers obvious.”
On the surface, it would appear so, but I believe both the Emperor and the Deep State are following the architect’s plan.
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——-== the plan
GAOTU…
I’ve heard of Klaatu but who is Goatu?
Klaatu was a really interesting band! GAOTU is freemason-speak for Great Architect Of The Universe… their god lucifer, in other words.
Nel, Chanel. Klaatu was Keanu Reeves.
There is something wrong with me. I watched that entire video just so I could understand you better. I don’t think it helped.
Those who enjoyed Robert’s fine essay should try my own attempt to discuss aspects of crisis and racism.
Irreverent Details also provides thought-provoking commentary and if it doesn’t make you laugh? Well, I linked everyone right back here at the bottom just like this.
MG….you are truly a delight.
https://barenakedislam.com/2020/03/07/although-turkey-provides-us-with-food-clothing-and-a-place-to-stay-we-want-to-go-to-europe-where-we-can-get-free-housing-and-welfare-benefits-without-having-to-work/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/08/white-pride-hoax-woman-arrested-for-pulling-a-jussie-smollett-895151
I agree 100% with everything here, except maybe that Bernie might not be a paid part of the theatre troop yet. The protest, misinfomation, and lying about him leads me to believe that his candidacy is not wanted by the system at all.
And anything not wanted is probably genuine.
I just saw this article at stevequayle.com This is how it appeared:
Irrelevant Details, You’ll be on your own during the Age of Chaos.SQ;REMEMBER THE NEW WORLD ORDER ARISES OUT OF BOTH THE CHAOS, THEY ENGINEERED AND THE BIBLICAL PROPHECIES NOW UNDERWAY, AT THE END OF THE AGE!
Just fyi
annuit coeptis novus ordo selcorum <<——-==
ordo ab chao,
I’m assuming you saw the first one…the second one is strong as well…Rex could be my little brother?
Steve Quayle – We Are Entering Into Tribulation Times
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Greg Hunter
237K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLPdu1CJqyM&t=7s
Filmmaker, book author and renowned radio host Steve Quayle says, “So, now we are seeing an economic morass, upheaval and tumult. The best term to describe that is convulsion economics, or another word I made up, ‘convulsinomics.’ When someone goes into convulsions, it is something that is beyond their control. There are involuntary responses taking place. We have economics in convulsion. There is no true price discovery. There are only manipulations. . . . The ‘D’ word, debt and the basis of debt, and debt and death go hand in hand. The reckless abandonment of all the world now, it’s seriously just print, print, print, print, print. This is why the metals (gold and silver) will explode.” What should people do? Quayle says, “God can protect. Jesus says he’s a Good Shepherd and his sheep hear his voice, but there are so many false shepherds out there trying to steal the sheep.
TiborasaurusRex
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Rex addresses the question of prepping vs having faith in God. Enjoy.
Is Prepping Biblical? ~ Rex Reviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgRIDm9jKwE
200. Think about posting this one RG.
PsyOps for Idiots and Morans
At 1 min. in, how propaganda can be used for good, and the example he gives is ‘improving public health through vaccinations’……..
Propaganda within the propaganda
annuit coeptis novus ordo selcorum <<——-==Apophis is coming, soon, the son of perdition will take the seat……
Can humans be good without a god or diety to worship, and paid third party intermediaries to interpret for us what the diety wants? What if like Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof we just decide to talk to a diety (or just ourselves) directly. I think its an “intelligence versus superstition” effect, the intelligent person realizes that living next to a volcano that rumbles periodically is not a good idea, and moves elsewhere. The superstitious person has been taught to believe a malevolent god lives inside the volcano that has to be appeased by sacrifice, and when the volcano explodes is told by the local shaman (holding onto power) it’s somehow his fault. Think for yourselves, question everything, and listen to what they are not saying.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/phony-immigration-attorney-filed-more-215-fraudulent-asylum-applications?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
https://pjmedia.com/trending/splc-cair-take-aim-at-121-billion-industry-in-effort-to-silence-conservative-hate-groups/
RG, when the guy who taught me how reporters used to research taught me how to get things “first?”
https://quillette.com/2020/03/10/experiencing-romes-first-day-on-coronavirus-lockdown/
This one is hot off the press, pal… I also submitted it here but I may have missed the morning drop.
Nice article, Robert. I enjoyed reading.
Thankfully we are not alone. We are designed to have a personal relationship with our Creator. Unfortunately way to many people have no idea. Even most of those who warm a church pew religiously every Sunday morning for decades have no personal relationship with our Creator. The most common reason is that they don’t read HIS book – the bible. Instead they listen and sometimes try to follow man made doctrine, which rarely lines up with the Word of Yehovah. Worth yet, often it is a half truth, which is far more destructive than a blatant lie.
We can see this quite well in the discussions right below this article.
Church has become a dirty word to me, as I have studied the origins of the word itself and the institutions commonly referred to as church.
The word “church” is completely made up by the translators and has nothing to do with the original wording in the bible. The word church is derived from a Greek word, which is not found in the original greek bible manuscripts at all.
I was very blessed to get “saved” nearly 40 years ago, outside the church. During my life I was rooted in a “church” for only four years. I specifically asked God for a church to go to where I could learn. But most of the learning during those fours years happened in a home group, that was associated with that church. After the four years the home group leader died and shortly after Yehovah moved me out of the church saying: “You have learned everything you can learn there, now come with ME.”
So I don’t follow Paul’s “marching orders” or any other human orders but the voice of our Creator, which includes all of the bible.
And thus I don’t worry about viruses or recessions. What is the worst thing that can happen? That I die?
Well, great. I know where I am going and I am looking forward to it.
I wrote my testimony in a book of well over 300 pages.
You’ll be on your own during the Age of Chaos.
If you are truly on your own, then it will be the Age of Sanity.