THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE

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“The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.” – Milton Mayer – They Thought They Were Free

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62 Comments
Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
April 15, 2020 9:33 am

If you or I drag someone off, it’s kidnapping.

When someone with a kidnapping & murder license does it, it’s OK.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Solutions Are Obvious
April 15, 2020 11:43 am

You won’t believe the conversation I had about that very topic on even more flimsy rationale. Pigs love to preach and editorialize narrative. Judges too. They think their train of arguments will lead to agreement. It’s the guns, stupid.

gman
gman
  'Reality' Doug
April 15, 2020 1:21 pm

“They think their train of arguments will lead to agreement”

“Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.” – Aristotle

thus the guns.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  gman
April 15, 2020 4:08 pm

You’re an idiot. Cretons cannot instruct me, even if you all coordinate your narrative lies into one compound lie. The ‘instruction’ everyone understands blooms from a barrel, but I use the prevailing subhuman language.

gman
gman
  'Reality' Doug
April 15, 2020 4:36 pm

“Cretons cannot instruct me”

“cretins”.

Pequiste
Pequiste
  gman
April 15, 2020 6:06 pm

Cretons de Québec: cèst trés bon!

bon appétite mes amis.

Pequiste
Pequiste
April 15, 2020 9:35 am

I wonder how many of the persons being read this disclaimer and being taken by the nice officers to “isolation” are going to Room 101?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Pequiste
April 15, 2020 10:21 pm

I, will not go quietly into the night, that is for damn sure…..

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
April 15, 2020 10:24 am

Welcome to Feudalism with just enough Commie trappings to sedate the left an just enough small business to sedate the right.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Fleabaggs
April 15, 2020 11:47 am

Important observation. I characterize it as a domesticated attachment to the United States Government. All solutions in the Hegelian dialectic begin and end with daddy government, the alpha and the omega. Christcucks pretend to worship a supernatural being, but it is only they that turn patriotism into not merely a religion but a death cult. Lefties do it insincerely for the earthly power. Which division of the normies are the cowards?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  'Reality' Doug
April 15, 2020 12:18 pm

R D
The Nobility had an obligation to protect and feed the enforcers and serfs during times of danger and famine. How well this was carried out varied but the promise of minimal amounts of security and lack of knowledge of alternatives kept them sedated and willing to accept bondage just like we are doing. We may continue to call it the U.S. Government but we also call drug peddlers Medical Doctors.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  'Reality' Doug
April 15, 2020 10:23 pm

If people would re read this they would have to agree regardless of their faith…..very true doug…

gman
gman
April 15, 2020 10:30 am

some people see only themselves, and see other people as unnatural deformities of an otherwise pliable-to-their-efforts universe, and just can’t be free unless they live in a wilderness. but living off of the benefits of other people’s society is so much easier than living alone, so they live on the fringes, avoiding what contact they can and raging against what contact they must, taking the world others have built as a given and longing for the builders themselves to disappear so they can live alone in that world in peace. and they dream of a collapse of all that oppresses them, and store the world’s goods as if it were all their own creation, and accumulate a million cartridges of ammunition to use when they finally get a chance to help that collapse along without risk to themselves.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  gman
April 15, 2020 2:32 pm

Spoken like a true Marxist. And I don’t mean that in a joking way.

StackimgStock
StackimgStock
  Hardscrabble Farmer
April 15, 2020 2:43 pm

I think he’s paid by the word.

gman
gman
  Hardscrabble Farmer
April 15, 2020 3:32 pm

“Spoken like a true Marxist”

so everything outside of the atomized loner isolationist individual is marxism? I believe you make my point.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  gman
April 15, 2020 10:26 pm

Gman.
Dude I do not think what you think is being delivered in the words you write. You are making no sense at all. Either use more detail or make your point because your comments are making you out to be TBP village idiot faster than a Jiffy Lube Oil change.

gman
gman
  Anonymous
April 15, 2020 11:04 pm

” You are making no sense at all.”

(nod) I understand.

you know how some people are color-blind? you can show them a certain color all day long and they just don’t get it? same thing here. I can explain simply enough, and some people just won’t get it. they can’t. they just have a blind spot to the existence of other people and that’s just the way they are. their awareness is of themselves, and anything that involves other people is just “stupid” or “brain damaged” or whatever other descriptor works for them.

and of course there are varying degrees of that. some are outright sociopaths, being completely detached from everyone – none of those are here. some are mild, feeling attachment to family and a few friends but no-one else. some of those are here. etc.

and some – do not lack society, but reject it. they desire a world of themselves, know they don’t have it, and purposely work to achieve it. they use words like “freedom” and “rights” and “constitution”, but they mean them only in reference to themselves, and hide that behind the use of the language of republican liberty. I can explain these things all day long to these people, and they fully understand it, and they will reject it nonetheless.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  gman
April 16, 2020 12:01 am

Okay, Boomer.

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
  Hardscrabble Farmer
April 16, 2020 12:11 pm

lol

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 15, 2020 11:02 am

Well isn’t that special hand cuffed taken against my will for my and popo’s safety ? How about fuck you and your god dam family , do I get to cuff the cop doing this to someone and we all get to chain gang it to quarantine , I bet not !
To all just doing your job badge wearing minions remember this situation will end and you have a lot of explaining to do and following orders does not cut it Nuremberg style .
I quarantined my self under advice from medical staff because I have an organ transplant for my safety . Not by order of some corrupt half wit political ass wipe and the minions carrying out his or her bidding .
I know a responsible accountable adult doing the correct thing just fucks with your narcissistic over bearing desire to control everything and everybody because the fact is you are not needed at all !

AL Tru
AL Tru
April 15, 2020 11:18 am

” We felt it was nescessary to maintain the illusion” – Jack Ryan, “The Hunt For Red October”
” How do you make an entire crew want to get off a nuclear sub ? ” = ” How do you make the entire world want to stay indoors ? ”

c’mon people try to keep up.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
April 15, 2020 12:26 pm

The grim reaper has arrived. The heaviest armed people in the world taken down without a fight. The boomer generation were the last to live in freedom. We raised children and grand children that prefer to live in slavery. I’m just disappointed to have lived long enough to see it happen.

The grim reaper comes when the soul leaves the body. What is left is a decaying body. Zombies.

Hope I am wrong and the zombies wake up. But that so far doesn’t look likely.

gman
gman
  Thunderbird
April 15, 2020 1:26 pm

” I’m just disappointed to have lived long enough to see it happen”

think of it as an opportunity to live in a time where you can make a difference.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  gman
April 15, 2020 4:11 pm

The morons upvoting this moron. Pitiful.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thunderbird
April 15, 2020 10:29 pm

May they all live in interesting time for they surely deserve it….

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Administrator
April 15, 2020 4:14 pm

That’s good hand speed. I’m terrified. If that old fart is faster than me, who isn’t? Like I said, my Plan A is to avoid and stay healthy. Too bad I must find a way to eat, etc. etc.

Addendum: Condition your shins and chop his lower legs just out of reach.

Warning: This video’s volume is loud.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Administrator
April 15, 2020 4:28 pm

Americans don’t know what protesting means. We are all Frenchmen now.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Administrator
April 15, 2020 10:35 pm

Raleigh Police = asshats

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
April 15, 2020 5:04 pm

When we see officers forcibly depriving one or more of us of our Civil Liberties we should form a gang and overwhelm them like muzzies in No-Goville, smash their radios and take away their weapons.
Smash the magazines and bend the barrels.

Ha just kidding….

gman
gman
  YourAverageJoe
April 15, 2020 5:40 pm

“we should form a gang and overwhelm them”

sure, you could. and things would be great for a day or a year. no cops! no restraints! everyone can do what they want! free at last!

and then the ones you never think about are free at last too, and start doing what they want. then things aren’t so great.

motley
motley
  gman
April 15, 2020 6:31 pm

So untrue. There are and would be more decent people than to the contrary. Proper justice would be doled out. It has been well documented that society can run rather smoothly without much oversight. For example, Hollywood perpetrated THE lie that the wild west was populated with mass lawlessness. Not true. Armed bandits (while more than a few) were still a rarity. Everyone was armed. Anyone thinking of robbing a bank could be duly dispatched by just about any other customer in the bank. As well, once caught, the recidivism rate became … zero.

gman
gman
  motley
April 15, 2020 7:06 pm

“Proper justice would be doled out”

sure, absolutely, without question, no doubt whatsoever.

because, you see, by “proper” you mean “what I think it should be”. but you forget that there are other people in the world, who don’t think like you do, who disagree with you, who are willing to enforce that disagreement with guns because they are righteous while everybody who doesn’t think like them needs to be duly dispatched.

you won’t like it. for a short time.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  gman
April 15, 2020 10:38 pm

Gman they would be great. As for now the ones you refer that we would be scared of i call bullshit. We are scared not of them today we are scared if use any force for our own protection these marxist scumbags will deplete our wealth, get us fired, locked in jail and divorced. The criminals today have it made. The democrats protect them. In a mad max world i see todays criminals sucking my toes bitch.

gman
gman
  Anonymous
April 15, 2020 11:18 pm

“The criminals today have it made”

not in the sense you’re implying. they are mostly busy with the police and with jail and with each other, and the rest of us only secondarily. you’re taking that as normal, and projecting that to continue if the police are withdrawn. but it won’t continue, the situation will change. if the police are withdrawn, the criminals’ focus will be all on us.

“In a mad max world i see todays criminals sucking my toes”

(ew.)

more specifically you see them as witless targets and yourself as the actor with the initiative. it won’t be that simple or easy. you’ll win some, and lose once, and that will be that.

22winmag - TBP's Corona-Gulag Gate Crasher
22winmag - TBP's Corona-Gulag Gate Crasher
April 15, 2020 6:27 pm

————————–> It’s not the law

It’s how it is applied, and whom it is applied to and when.
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Let’s see if the Trump DOJ comes down hard on Blue state baby-tyrants, domestic spies, Chinese funny money, and Democrat mega-criminals.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 15, 2020 10:14 pm

Mafia rule #1
Never, ever get into the car when they say they are taking for a ride…..never ever