As We Suspected All Along

Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer

Ah, yes, of course. A human can be free and clear of it after a week, but those inanimate tens and twenties…

Via ZeroHedge

Coronavirus Survives On Banknotes For Up To 4 Weeks, Study Finds, As Cash Usage Plunges

We highlighted an intersting development on Saturday that appeared to go largely unnoticed by the general public, despite its potentiall profound implications for the global economy. The BoJ joined the Fed and the ECB in launching a pilot program to explore the use of a digital currency inspired by bitcoin and its many rivals.

Just one day later, Bloomberg revived concerns about paper money contributing to the spread of COVID-19 by publicizing the findings from a new study suggesting that SARS-CoV-2 can persist on banknotes and coins for weeks. The research appears to be credible: it was conducted by Australia’s top biosecurity laboratory, which published  a report highlighting the risks of paper currency, touch screens and handles like doorknobs.

As the CDC releases revised guidelines claiming that close contact with the infected trumps surfaces and aerosol – or ‘airborne’ – transmission as the primary means of infection, the study from the Australian Center for Disease Preparedness suggested that the virus is actually “extremely robust”, allowing it to survive for up to 28 days on smooth surfaces like glass or the material used to print banknotes.

However, the rate of survival on surfaces declined dramatically when the temperature climbed to above 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Farenheit).

Virus survival declined to less than a day at 40 degrees Celsius on some surfaces, according to the study, published Monday in Virology Journal. The findings add to evidence that the Covid-19-causing coronavirus survives for longer in cooler weather, making it potentially harder to control in winter than summer. The research also helps to more accurately predict and mitigate the pandemic’s spread, the researchers said.

“Our results show that SARS-CoV-2 can remain infectious on surfaces for long periods of time, reinforcing the need for good practices such as regular hand washing and cleaning surfaces,” said Debbie Eagles, the center’s deputy director, in an emailed statement.

The coronavirus tended to survive longer on nonporous or smooth surfaces, compared with porous complex surfaces, such as cotton.

The research received funding from Australia’s defense department. It involved drying the coronavirus in an artificial mucus on different surfaces, at concentrations similar to those reported in samples from infected patients, and then re-isolating the virus over a month. The study was also carried out in the dark, to remove the effect of ultraviolet light, as research has demonstrated direct sunlight can rapidly inactivate the virus.

The time taken to achieve a 50% reduction in the amount of virus present on the surfaces studied under different temperatures is tabled below:

“The research may also help to explain the apparent persistence and spread of SARS-CoV-2 in cool environments with high lipid or protein contamination, such as meat processing facilities and how we might better address that risk,” Trevor Drew, director of the Australian Centre for Disease Preparedness, said in the statement.

The virus’s extended survival time on stainless steel surfaces could help explain all those outbreaks traced to meat processing plants. The research, which was backed by the Australian department of defense, also concluded that SARS-CoV-2 survives for far longer on surfaces than the seasonal flu.

These findings revive memories of American banks decontaminating banknotes, a practice that was apparently pioneered by Beijing and the PBOC, which aggressively disinfected paper money, while using the pandemic to further push the Chinese people toward relying 100% on electronic payments.

Sadly, these warnings will likely serve a similar purpose in the West, including Europe and the US, as policymakers see a “cashless society” as having many benefits: It would force criminals to rely less on cash and more on digital currencies like bitcoin, while keeping more of the world’s money inside the banking system.

We’re already seeing this trend play out in practice: After COVID-19 hit the UK, the rate of cash transactions tumbled by nearly half compared to the same period during 2019.

In the US, cities like NYC and San Francisco had to force local businesses to keep accepting cash during the pandemic as coin shortages and other issues caused cash transactions to drop. Their reasoning? That forcing customers to use plastic discriminates against the poorest consumers, as the NYT explains

But as far as monetary policy makers are concerned, the greatest utility of a purely digital currency is that it opens up vast new opportunities for CBs to deliver monetary stimulus directly to consumers (with the backing of their respective Treasuries, of course, as the reality on the ground increasingly resembles the theoretical ideal of MMT). Interested parties should peruse the latest research from DoubleLine’s Bill Campbell, “the Pandora’s Box of Central Bank Digital Currencies.”

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flash
flash
October 12, 2020 8:15 am

The end game digital currency and with that comes total control over all humanity with the penalty for disobedience being unbanked or unpersoned, if you will. No bank, no food , home or security. You’ve just become an non person. It’s already happening .

The DANGER of a Cashless Society

https://youtu.be/q8uNPCXqI-w

Steve
Steve
October 12, 2020 8:39 am

Soon there will be stories that this mischievous Sars virus has found the perfect place for replication; on your paper currency.
Now think of how many times in your life you have stuffed damp almost slimy $1 notes in your wallet. How many times you can relate an infection from such activity? Never in over 60 years is my result. Your’s?
The implementation of digital currency is being fast tracked globally. It gives govt and the FED unprecedented control over your life. It’s got nothing to do with sanitary practices.
There is nothing more dangerous to our well being and personal sovereignty since the introduction of the FED in 1913 than a digital currency.
Digital currency is the perfect tool for a tyrannical govt. We must treat it as such, fight its introduction and let those who plan on signing the bill know they are the absolute enemy of the people with resultant consequences to be expected.
I contend Bitcoin was a beta test for digital currencies…Satoshi Nakamoto my ass…

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Steve
October 12, 2020 11:46 am

A virus (if there even is one), can ONLY reproduce in the body/cells of a host. Viruses are technically NOT alive. But that won’t stop the idiots from believing this obvious ploy to destroy paper money and implement their takeover. Heaven forbid they talk about how to boost one’s immunity in the face of this “reality” they are claiming.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
October 12, 2020 8:39 am

Where is that picture of Dr Evil?

Amazon introduces the Amazon One, a way to pay with your palm when entering stores

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/amazon-amazon-one-retail-technology/

Country Boy
Country Boy
  Mary Christine
October 12, 2020 9:15 am

So how long will covid linger on a palm scanner?

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Country Boy
October 12, 2020 10:04 am

Go to the link and look at the pic. It’s touchless. You hover your palm over it.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Mary Christine
October 12, 2020 7:09 pm

From six feet away?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
October 12, 2020 10:04 pm

So someone just takes a picture of your palm and spends your money with it.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
October 12, 2020 9:25 am

The War Department described what is happening in 1919. The Scami-Flu was part of the plan way back when.

https://christiansfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/1919-US-War-Dept-Investigation-Substantiates-Protocols-of-Zion-.pdf

Quincy Grange
Quincy Grange
October 12, 2020 9:44 am

You ought to consider cancelling existing banking accounts and credit cards, and establishing new ones, to create a degree of separation between you and your transaction history for when the Fedcoin goes live.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 12, 2020 9:45 am

Digital Currency is perfect for 1 world currency. That 3 trillion the PELOZI tried to slip in the last bill for IMF loans could be shuffled into the deck.

Chemist46
Chemist46
October 12, 2020 9:47 am

If it survives on banknotes for four weeks, it will also survive on masks for four weeks.

Foot in the Forest
Foot in the Forest
  Chemist46
October 12, 2020 10:00 am

Chemist, how DARE you think outside the lines put up by our rulers. Remember that all propaganda is to help the sheep, not inform or god forbid start them asking questions. Get along little sheep nothing to learn here.

Craven Warrior
Craven Warrior
October 12, 2020 9:54 am

I attended the Red Pill Expo in Jekyll Island Georgia this past weekend sponsored by G. Edward Griffin. There were numerous speakers, including Dr. Andrew Kaufman and Dr. Brandon Weeks. According to Kaufman the virus has never been isolated. How can a vaccine be made from something that doesn’t exist?

But people have died. And people have got sick. But what killed them? What if this was just a corona virus? It might be that those who went to the doctor died from intragenic medicine.

I don’t have all the answers and don’t understand all the science, but I’m convinced the plan has been in place for decades and we are being lied to. The producer of Plannedemic was also on the program, Micki Willis. Watch it if you haven’t.

Another speaker was Alex Newman who spoke about the conversion to digital currency. Anyone who is awake should realize that saying the virus lives on money is just another way to convince fearful unthinking people to accept the unacceptable.

Why are so few questioning the fact that so many governments are acting in similar fashion?

realestatepup
realestatepup
  Craven Warrior
October 12, 2020 10:52 am

The best place to get sick, or sicker, is in the hospital:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/7/2/70-0174_article#:~:text=Nosocomial%20bloodstream%20infections%20are%20a%20leading%20cause%20of,leading%20cause%20of%20death%20in%20the%20United%20States.
And then you put people under very heavy sedation and intubate them and the death rate skyrockets except now the hospital just collects more money that way.
https://elderlawaustin.com/survival-rate-after-intubation-for-the-elderly/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/ventilator-associated-pneumonia
Without the massive “cases” and deaths garnering millions for the hospitals, there is NO WAY they could have kept their doors open with the lack of all other procedures for weeks and weeks.
And so if everything is counted as Covid-1984 then there is no way to know what really is or isn’t, which was the point all along.
So here in MA, with a current population of 6.893 million, we have had supposedly 8101 deaths from Covid-1984. Think about that. .001 percent of the state population. Jobs gone forever. Massive unemployment. Most kids not in school. Milestone life events cancelled. FOR .001 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL STATE POPULATION.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  realestatepup
October 12, 2020 8:23 pm

Pup – How many of those 8,101 deaths were people who had already reached their average life span? I would guess the number would be well north of 7,000.

Steve
Steve
  realestatepup
October 12, 2020 11:28 pm

RE Pup,
The hospitals were paid enormous sums of money per Covid patient. I don’t remember the formula but Hawaii got over $300,000 per patient, Florida got $146,000, Calif got $38,000, etc. So, they made out like bandits.

Panzerlied
Panzerlied
  Craven Warrior
October 12, 2020 10:57 am

CW- So few question because the government and corporate programming has been extremely effective in dumbing down the sheeple to obey, never question authority, etc. See the movie The Live, that lays out the blueprint for the “aliens” to take over, and the movie was made in 1988.
Good to see you’re educating yourself, however. If even a small percentage of people would take the initiative to do that, the world would improve almost immediately.

Scot
Scot
  Craven Warrior
October 12, 2020 11:48 am

That’s true. The CDC admitted that neither they or anyone else has isolated a sample of Covid-19. They can’t even prove that what they are writing on death certificates even exists.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
October 12, 2020 10:19 am

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
Rev 13: 16-17

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——===

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  ordo ab chao
October 12, 2020 2:41 pm

That’s really all there is to say sir ordo. Hope you are well. I know you are doing what needs to be done.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  grace country pastor
October 13, 2020 5:05 am

GCP….

“I know you are doing what needs to be done.”

Each morning around this time I step outside and pray the Lord’s prayer, but have not taken any night time strolls for quite a few weeks now.

This is day 214 since the overlords declared a shut down for two weeks to flatten the curve…I’ve missed a few days, but at a little over 3 miles round trip each, that clocks me in at over 600 miles just walkin down to tap on a window for a brief ‘good morning’ to my mom. Between her hard hearing, inability to operate a cell phone, and the central ac unit directly next to the window each visit’s been a dandy. (She got a ‘hairdo’, a really BIG thing for her, on her 92nd b-day last Wed. as it was the first time the facility allowed the beautician to come back in).

Wife’s been feeling tired lately, always has had a pretty low pulse, so she had a 24 monitor to wear about a month ago, checking a slightly leaking valve. Now, there are two leaking, but he says nothing to worry about…No joke, she goes to his office, they hook up that little monitor in about 10 minutes, give her a self addressed, postage NOT paid envelope to mail it in, and the bill was a freckle under nine fiat Franklins….it’s all about dem Benjamins.

We just got done going through a medical deal with her 87 yr. old mom. She needs surgery on her colon again, but had to get her heart checked…..pacemaker installed….surgery on her colon postponed indefinitely…tick tock, tick tock, ya know? Fair reason for her to feel tired lately.

I’ve been wonderin’ how the biz been goin for ya with the shut down….masking…etc.

So many layers to the deceptions of this world….

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——====

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
II Cor. 11:14

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2020 1:41 pm

The layers are breathtaking in scope. We’ve been incredibly busy but I’ll hope to find a little time to ring you up soon. Hang tight and take care; share the good news as time grows short… ?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  grace country pastor
October 13, 2020 1:55 pm

gcp,
how’s your daughter holding up?

yahsure
yahsure
October 12, 2020 10:27 am

My niece the nurse says money is filthy and washing it in a bowl of soapy water will let you see just how much. She was also paranoid about ATM machines or anywhere you slide your card.
I’ve been mentioning here that there is a push for digital money. It’s great for controlling people.

Neuday
Neuday
  yahsure
October 12, 2020 10:33 am

We’d save so much money by not printing it.

Steve
Steve
  yahsure
October 12, 2020 11:36 pm

Yahsure,
The germophobes get overly concerned with one thing. For your neice it’s currency but the phone she uses all day typically has a higher e. Coli (fecal) count than the average toilet.
Whether you tell her that depends on how much you like her?

Monger
Monger
October 12, 2020 10:41 am

Saw this forming months ago, banknotes must be like a sponge to a virus, how hard is it for Chinese agents to spray notes and put them into circulation. Just another path towards a cashless society and ultimately the mark.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Monger
October 12, 2020 10:54 am

How hard is it for American agents to spray notes with it. How hard has it been for American agents to scare us into wearing a mask while driving alone on the interstate in North Dakota. Why even spray? Just tell us the Chinks sprayed our money and we’ll beg for our EBT card in the hand.
https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW8zjzPhS-s&ab_channel=HighImpactTV

Monger
Monger
  Fleabaggs
October 12, 2020 6:52 pm

True dat, US government agencies would do it also.

Panzerlied
Panzerlied
October 12, 2020 10:47 am

Articles like this should be viewed with nothing but disgust and the uttermost amount of contempt for these detestable, vile creatures now herding the unknowing, ignorant sheeple into yet another corral of control that will likely put the final nail in our coffins.
If people had even the tiniest, infinitesimal amount of intestinal fortitude, they would finally rise up and make quick work of these bloodsucking vampire squids before the sands of time runs out for our entire western civilization.
Moreover, if those who are so frightened by the propaganda would do a little research (I know that would require effort, so that probably won’t happen), they would soon discover that we are literally inundated with innumerable amounts of microorganisms on a daily basis. It’s called our environment. How they are able to weaponize the entire environment and use it to fearmonger people literally to death, is beyond me.
Microbes are just that, nothing more, nothing less. Not good, not bad, just microbes that exist in our everyday environment.
Well then, what causes them be become pathogenic? They become pathogenic only if the environment is ripe for their colonization and exponential growth, which will cause the person affected to exhibit symptoms and become ill.
If however, that same person had been mindful of his or her health prior to the invasion of this bug, they would have most likely thwarted its attempt to set up shop, so to speak, in their internal environment.
Just like the theory of evolution, which in many circles is put forth as fact, the germ theory advanced is still just a theory, without validation, because if it was valid and the microbes were actually the cause of death and disease, we’d all already be dead, victims of these horrible pathogens just waiting to devour our flesh. Horse feathers!
What determines human health is a healthy and balanced immune system that effectively defends our internal environment. Fortifying and maintaining a strong, effective immune system is the only way to ward off the bugs that we’re exposed to with literally every breath we take. And BTW, fear lowers one’s immune response and causes one to be less intelligent. Hmmmmmm, I wonder why they want to spread fear incessantly? Because they want you to be afraid of something. The terrorist behind every bush didn’t seem to work, so let’s try an invisible bogey man in the form of some deadly virus to make them cry out for a cure. We’ll make billions, while enslaving the entire world!
With these minions that were spawned from the very depths of hell, evil knows no bounds.
Those who have compromised immune systems will have to take extra precautions, but not because of this one particular bug, but because they have a compromised immune system that can’t effectively protect them from illness.
Head’em up, move’em out, keep rollin’ rollin’ rollin’ to the next corral of corruption that these despicable wranglers of ruin can conjure up. You’re being hornswoggled, partner, into another matrix of fear – again! When will people ever learn?
Maybe never and graduation is just around the corner.

suzanna
suzanna
  Panzerlied
October 12, 2020 12:37 pm

Panzer…that was a rant, your emotion and frustration are front
and center. We all have those moments.

I have to constantly remind myself that only 3% of a population
are willing to rebel, go against the grain, speak the truth. Study
history, (I’m sure you have) and this % remains constant. It
takes courage plus a big awareness of common sense for people
to take those risks. It is so much easier to go along to get along.
I can’t because I am often the only one in a group to speak up,
makes me very unpopular. I have to pull back from my zeal.
The only action I presently take is to refuse the mask. So far
I have gotten away with it, unchallenged.

Panzerlied
Panzerlied
  suzanna
October 12, 2020 2:10 pm

Suz- Thanks for noticing. I’ve been attempting to wake people up for many years and often, to no avail. America, like so many other nations that were conquered, is under a spell that produces not only the effect of normalcy bias, but the neutralizing effect of Hegelian dialectics, which causes the masses to feebly attempt to hold two opposing thoughts simultaneously, rendering them neutral and unable to form an opinion, let alone any logical conclusions.
I appreciate your comment and encourage you to be bold and stand up to these monsters who want nothing less than our ultimate destruction. Myself and many others will have your back.
All the best.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Panzerlied
October 12, 2020 7:25 pm

“I’ve been attempting to wake people up for many years and often, to no avail.”

You should stop doing that. Every time that you communicate with others you plant a seed. Some may miss the mark, but some will take root.

“Go on ahead and throw some seeds of your own
And somewhere between the time you arrive
And the time you go
May lie a reason you were alive
That you’ll never know.”

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  hardscrabble farmer
October 12, 2020 8:33 pm

Jesus told us about sowing seeds and how few sprouted and took root. The ones planted in fertile soil produced in great quantities, 30, 60 or 100 times.

22winmag - Jewish Yankee L.D.S. M110A2 Gunner
22winmag - Jewish Yankee L.D.S. M110A2 Gunner
  TN Patriot
October 12, 2020 9:00 pm

Many are called.

Few are chosen.

Bilco
Bilco
October 12, 2020 10:55 am

For the love of Pete!!!!! If we are to listen to these fuckers. We might as well all ball up and suck our thumbs in the corner. The idiocy it never ends.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
October 12, 2020 11:44 am

They can pretend there is a coin shortage, but if they keep this up, they are going to discover there is no shortage of lead.

Scot
Scot
October 12, 2020 11:44 am

If you’re scared of cash, do you use a different credit card for every purchase instead? I don’t think so. You’re probably picking up more germs (oh, the horror!) from using the same credit card machine as everyone else than you would using cash.
(The “you” I’m referring to is not the author but the generic “you” as in anyone.)

ottomatik.
ottomatik.
October 12, 2020 11:52 am

Digital money is a foregone conclusion. What percentage of M1-M8 is physical cash? Its already digital.
And everybody already has a SSN, possibly an EIN. The Beast system has been implemented, I was born into it.
There are well over 10,000 Cryptocurrencies today, and more born daily.
How are the FED, ECB, BOJ, BOE, CCP, going to deal with this ecosystem, when they release their Central Bank Digital Currency in the next year or two?
Can Walmart accept Bitcoin?
Will the FED?
How about the other 10,000’s, can Walmart accept any it deems worthy.
What about Amazon and their Libra? Was that precedent, no Sonycoin, no Wallycoin, no Googlebucks, not ever?
We are in the second round of Crypto development. Round 1 was money, Bitcoin is money, primarily for exchange, with a built in automated accounting system.
Round 2 is money that works, does a job. Chainlink for example, attaches real world assets, such as the deed for property or title of your vehicle to the coins via smartcontract. Its not just money. A differing example is Theta, a network of coins stored on every imaginable device from your laptop to your refrigerator, creating a decentralized network eliminating the need for centralized server farms for broadband delivery. Sony, Apple, Samsung, Google and others are on board. Is this money, a broadband delivery system? They pay the people who allow their device to be used on the network in Theta Fuel, which is the money they accept for content delivery. This looks like money, corporate scrip if I ever saw it.
The digital plantation is being erected with breathtaking speed, many will profit by assisting in the construction of their own cage. There will be no victory in romantic notions of physical barter. It is a digital battlefield, this is where Liberty must be won.
The future is here, its just not everywhere yet.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  ottomatik.
October 12, 2020 5:23 pm

the shipping industry is getting into block chain–that will take huge amounts of $ out of the regular banking system–

Port of Los Angeles Joins Blockchain Shipping Platform Tradelens

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
October 12, 2020 5:31 pm

Red.
When the Lot Lizards go Crypto the Mark is just around the corner.

ottomatik.
ottomatik.
  Fleabaggs
October 12, 2020 6:49 pm

How is your SSN not the mark? You cant work, cant buy a house, cant open a bank account, cant buy shares of a company, cant exist basically, except on the street, without this mark.

ottomatik.
ottomatik.
  ottomatik.
October 12, 2020 6:49 pm

Trainer mark of the beast?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  ottomatik.
October 12, 2020 7:15 pm

Yup, it wasn’t that long ago that “They” swore it would never be used for anything other than SS.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Fleabaggs
October 12, 2020 8:37 pm

My card even says it is not to be used for identification purposes.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  ottomatik.
October 12, 2020 10:29 pm

i recently had a legal immigrant who had state issued id but no ss who could not get the power turned on–

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
October 12, 2020 10:31 pm

flea,
lots of little guys are using electronic payments thru their smart phones–
not crypto but close–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
October 12, 2020 11:48 pm

Red.
I’m not well versed in Hi-tech but if I understand others correctly the bottleneck is 4G. Once they get the large and mid sized metro’s saturated they can ad lib the small towns.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
October 12, 2020 11:59 pm

i know nothing about hi tech but one of the foremen 4 the company that a bunch of my tenants work for told me that they are doing all 5g now–
if i understood him correctly they start at a cell tower & work out in a spoke,laying underground cable–once they are a certain distance from that tower they go to a different tower & do the same thing–

overthecliff
overthecliff
October 12, 2020 12:58 pm

Send all your dirty infected cash to overthecliff. I’ll sanitize it. Thanking you in advance for your cooperation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 12, 2020 1:24 pm

Huge gigantic asterisk on this entire study:

Australia uses plastic bills instead of cloth for their money.

That is all.

John
John
October 12, 2020 10:29 pm

From un-Constitutional Fed paper bucks to un-Constitutional Fed digits.
The Republic of the United States of America is lost.

cz
cz
October 12, 2020 10:52 pm

maybe we should have Norwex make our notes, or infuse and/or coat bills with silver particles making them anti-microbial while at the same time actually creating silver certificates.

cz
cz
  cz
October 12, 2020 11:01 pm

also, for anyone out there in the tbp community who might be interested in a possible opportunity and has a connection to a tool and die shop, i have an idea for an inexpensive consumer product for a “time such as this”. this would need to be a stamped (most likely aluminum) item.

ScalpelSharp
ScalpelSharp
October 13, 2020 1:10 pm

Then why haven’t all the homeless and drug addicts with drug lords died in hospitals, because the last I checked none of them use Venmo

ScalpelSharp
ScalpelSharp
October 13, 2020 1:11 pm

What’s going to happen with fuel pumps. When was the last time you saw an attendant wipe down the nozzle that handed back your credit card?

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  ScalpelSharp
October 13, 2020 1:30 pm

Lol! Scalpel, you are assuming they will continue to let us drive cars that are powered by gasoline.