The Cleveland Joke: Rust Belt Humor

A guest post by Richey Piiparinen

 

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Moondog Coronation Ball in Cleveland, 1952. Billed as “America’s first rock concert”. Peak Cleveland.

San Francisco during wildfire. Courtesy: San Francisco Chronicle
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ebjjs
ebjjs
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 9:59 am

Yeah I was raised in central Ohio during this period. Fond memories of once per year my father and I would go to Cleveland for a baseball game, had to be a double header so we could get our monies worth. There were factories of all sorts producing all manner of goods, not only in Cleveland but all the cities. If you didn’t have a job it was because you didn’t want one. I left immediately after high school only to return and grab a degree from good old Kent State and leave again. Can’t imagine ever living anywhere in the rust belt again.

musket
musket
April 3, 2021 3:03 pm

Poor political leadership?

Stucky
Stucky
April 3, 2021 3:17 pm

Cleveland has had only TWO Republican mayors since 1942. There’s your answer if you’re wondering why Cleveland is “the mistake by the lake”.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Cleveland

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
April 3, 2021 7:35 pm

You forgot to mention the unions.

anthony aaron
anthony aaron
  Llpoh
April 3, 2021 8:59 pm

They go hand-in-hand with democratic regimes … just like Bidet is pushing with the $1.9T ‘stimulus’ …

John Doe
John Doe
April 3, 2021 4:53 pm

I live in The Rust Belt. The outter rim of Detroit Metro. The huge landscape of past unbridled industry is seen everywhere along with the decay of production long outsourced. The tragedy is two fold. Unions asking for too much and greedy corporations globalizing the work force. Now we toil in a polluted landscape where good jobs are scarce and corporate ethics even more scarce. One could pinpoint the hyper acceleration of the decay around the late 80’s early 90’s. The huge sucking sound that Ross Perot warned about was already in full motion. All the useful machines from America’s hayday, shipped overseas and sold for pennies on the dollar because Wall Street would not give corporations new loans without “diversifying” their human capitol and asset portfolio. Now, we consume without producing creating a gigantic net loss. Printing out more funny money will not fix what is broken. Sweat must be brought back to America and blue collar jobs that support localized economies. The addiction to profit maximization has undermined Americas ability to produce what it consumes. The Merry Go Round will continue until the government finds out it can’t print a broken gear out of thin air with a machine that is half a world away. Atlas Shrugged.

William Quick
William Quick
  John Doe
April 3, 2021 5:24 pm

Why do you not also describe the unions as “greedy?” Because they most certainly were, as least as much so as the corporations,.

John Doe
John Doe
  William Quick
April 3, 2021 6:13 pm

You are correct. Cause and effect.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
  William Quick
April 4, 2021 10:07 am

William, Another Detroit native here. Born at Womens Hospital in 1961, still in pretty good touch with the old wreck of a place. I offer a qualification:

Not so much greed as a narrow minded, psychotic insistence on having all the money , right now, without regard to anything else. Eat the seed corn, spend the savings, borrow for daily life, sought by the globalist financiers, enabled by government regulators, and put into practice by corporate strategists and their employees.

Company proposes a 3$ co-pay on Blue Cross? Fuck that, STRIKE! People rebelling against higher costs, fuck that, open a consumer finance arm. Factory wearing out, time to re-tool and re-invest? Fuck that, abandon it. Stick someone else with the mouldering wreck, plenty of cheap land in the exurbs, then Mexico, then China. Marginal employees too difficult to fire due to union and liberal courts? Fuck that, pay them to featherbed, the shareholders are rubes. Bankrupt the company, steal it all, there is NO punishment waiting for you, someone else will offer you big cash to do the same thing again. Just send Senator Whatshisname a check, and go to the Jesse Jackson fundraiser…. you are protected from any harm

And on and on. A culture in decline, and it hasn’t stopped falling yet. Will the descent be arrested before a high velocity impact? That is what we all wonder.

Stucky
Stucky
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 11:09 am

No peace for you!!

Almost every major city in NJ is Cleveland. And in New York. And lots and lots of other places. America is still a beautiful LAND. Most of the bigger cities? Not so much.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Brian Reilly
April 4, 2021 12:03 pm

Another Detroit native and suburban proximity dweller here. So many similarities.
The article is great reading. It brings a melancholy sadness of the valley period of cycles, as opposed to the peaks. Life really is like a sine wave. Ups and Downs.
Detroit had a rep as murder capital for a while, as well as torching houses on Devil’s Night
for a few years.
Let’s not forget the riots in ’67, like in Watts and elsewhere.
Modern day Portland? Seattle? Hah. Been there. Done that.
Pent up rage at the machine is no excuse for destroying your surroundings, and will only fuel the flight of families wanting simple safety and reasonable optimistic outlook.
Law and Order, while not perfect and rife with corruption and injustice, should still be the rule. {Admittedly, that too, is fading fast.}

Old perceptions die hard, and like newspapers, one cannot always find reliable accuracy
from internet stories about locales, especially ones with a negative international narrative rep.
I drive into, and out of Detroit on a daily basis, working with a diverse group of people
in outdoor environments, at churches and schools, distributing food to people in need.
Whether or not that should be done is an argument for another day.
With reasonable caution and situational awareness, finding good places to go and interesting things to do there is not as fraught with danger as the narrative likes to mistakenly trumpet.
The point is, even amidst the blight that can be seen, there are homes and businesses and good people of all races that are trying awfully hard to ignore the cynicism, and work at making things better. A denier can call bullshit, but unless you spend ample time in an environment and experience it first hand, an opinion from afar, based on past events, does not apply current factual reality, and only mistakenly reinforces the negativity of the narrative. End of rant.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Anonymous
January 8, 2022 9:55 pm

The glory of the rust belt may come again when the whacko leftists start WW III. Nothing like a war to make jobs appear and underhanded government scams disappear.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Brian Reilly
January 8, 2022 9:48 pm

Greed and laziness, a dangerous combination.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  John Doe
April 3, 2021 7:43 pm

Most jobs were lost to automation, not to the giant sucking you refer to. That is a myth. In 1960 manufacturing employed about 1/2 people, or equivalent to about 80 million today. There is around 13 million employed in manufacturing today. Or a 67 million difference. 67 million jobs did not go offshore – upper limit is around 4 million. So that means around 63 million jobs were lost to automation.

The other thing is that the US remains a mighty manufacturing nation. Manufacturing as a % of gdp remains largely unchanged over the decades. Your post implies otherwise.

Manufacturing was not lost as much as it was automated. The narrative that went overseas is 90% false. But it is easier for the middle class to blame foreigners than understand what actually happened, and keep the false hope alive that somehow it can be resurrected. It cannot.

Manufacturing gets around 2.5% more efficient each year – more is made by fewer. That will continue. Any manufacturing that returns will return to highly automated factories, and will result in few jobs.

Stucky
Stucky
  Llpoh
April 3, 2021 8:07 pm

You’ve been saying all that since The Beginning of TBP. Is it not wearing you out?? Once people decide on truth –their truth– it is damned near impossible to make headway. That poster will be making the same comments ten years from now.

Pontius Pilate should have asked “Who gives a Rat’s Ass about truth?”

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
April 3, 2021 8:14 pm

I thought that while I was writing it. But hey, people need to be exposed to the truth now and again.

I get somewhat disappointed with the narratives I see around TBP at the moment, which cannot be supported with fact, and which twist the truth. It is bad when the left do it, and damn near as bad when anyone else does it, too.

Feelings are not facts.

Thanks Stuck.

Stucky
Stucky
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 11:19 am

Nestle is Swiss owned. Does SCOTUS have jurisdiction?

Boycott Nestle!!! Just be sure to boycott all the companies they own also …

— Lean Cuisine, Stouffers, Haagen-Dazs, and DiGiorno, Purina, Fancy Feast, Friskies, Pro Plan, Alpo, Beneful, Poland Spring, Perrier, S. Pellegrino, Vittel, and PureLife.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Stucky
January 8, 2022 10:16 pm

The list of American companies that need boycotted would be nearly all of them. They are nearly all corrupt. At the start of the controla virus in 2020 I started taking note of companies that didn’t share my life’s standards. I was going to do without all the offenders of my sensabilities. I figured out if I followed through with my plan I would likely have to live under the bridge in a cardboard box made in China sleeping on a bed of leaves and doing without food and clean water. The corporations controlling this nation are basically leftist run monopolies and leave only a very few inferior choices. With this lack of choices I have made my decision. I do without except those things necessary to function in life. No purchases of items that are not necessary. Starve the beast. Needs are purchased by holding my nose and sending the money to the beast. Best I know how to do.

Stucky
Stucky
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 11:40 am

Do you have a charcoal grill? Did you know in addition to burning down large swaths of the Amazon, that Brazil uses Child Slaves to make it?

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Did you put a banana in your cereal recently, or enjoy a banana shake? Did you know thousands of children are enslaved in South America and Philippines in the banana business?

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You like your gold jewelry? Don’t even get me started on that!! (I am allowed to be Self Righteous cuz a haven’t worn a single piece of jewelry in the past 20+ years.)

Estimates (YMMV)

— 152 million children in child labor

— 73 million were in hazardous work•

— 48% below age 12

— slaving away at carpets, coal, salt, dozens of fruits and vegetables, gold, bricks, leather, garments, gold, tin, granite, and a bunch of other things we all come in contact with every day.

That $15 toaster from Walmart comes at a steep price.

There will be a day of reckoning. And it will be terrible.

I hope I added to your happiness this Easter Sunday.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Llpoh
April 4, 2021 12:38 am

Oh, looks, morons voting facts down because their feewings are hurt. TBP morons are no better than the left morons. At least there are fewer of them, as a lot of smart folks prowl TBP. But morons are morons. Anyone who cannot recognize facts but instead rely on false narrative and feewings will eventually get what they deserve, and good and hard at that.

Ben Lurken
Ben Lurken
  Llpoh
April 4, 2021 11:03 am

I can’t speak about Cleveland or the rust belt. But I operated a business servicing small and medium sized businesses in the Northeast. New England regions and cities were supported by big plants like General Electric, Raytheon, General Dynamics and others. Those plants ran 3 shifts. But all throughout those cities and towns were other businesses making parts for or otherwise servicing the needs of the plants.

Specialty machine shops, perhaps with anywhere from 10-100 employees would make parts for either the plant itself or for another larger supplier. Much of this was possible because the U.S. had a law or rule that all defense components had to be manufactured on U.S. soil by U.S. firms. That was changed either by G.H.W. Bush or B. Clinton.

Soon thereafter GE no longer had 3 shifts, all the signage along the boulevards in these once great small cities went from English to either Spanish or some S Asian language, and all the backstreets which once thrived with metal shops, scrapyards, and assorted support businesses changed not for the better.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Llpoh
January 8, 2022 9:59 pm

The Northern part of our state was once covered with industries making things the world wanted. Basically now a group of service sector low wage jobs now. I worked among the refineries and Mills and that time. Mostly just vacant polluted lots now, uncared for and unused.

Spanglin
Spanglin
April 3, 2021 6:03 pm

I bought a truck near Cleveland a few years ago. It was listed a the cleanest 95 in the rust belt. I was happy with the purchase,

rhs jr
rhs jr
April 3, 2021 6:19 pm

Cleveland struck an Iceberg and sank losing half the people. The Berg was greedy Unions and Owners. The article never mentioned Blacks, Democrats, Socialism, the ZOG, NAFTA, etc. Wonder why. I worked for a car wire manufacturing factory in Cairo Ga, no Union; it was just owned by Greedy MF’ers in Chicago who shipped every piece of equipment to Mexico in 1984 to increase their profits.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  rhs jr
April 3, 2021 7:49 pm

RHS – almost certainly not to increase profits. Almost certainly to match the competitor’s prices and to keep from going broke. Manufacturing is not very profitable as competition is fierce.

I have overseen closure and relocation of plants. And not once was it because of greedy mothers. It was always -always- because the plants were not viable, either because they were losing money, or because competition was undercutting them and to compete costs had to be cut. Costs to close and relocate a plant are considerable, and no one will incur such unless there is a serious reason to do so.

todd
todd
  Llpoh
April 3, 2021 11:18 pm

one thing no one ever really discusses on manufacturing in heavily automated facilities is energy input cost.

the “manpower” is coming from somewhere and has a cost.

we got some new automated manufacturing facilities due to the “energy independence” drill baby drill benefit and few re-shoring tax breaks from trump…even those plants still have to hire people just 2.5% less of them a year.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  todd
April 4, 2021 12:35 am

Todd – Right you are. low cost energy is required for the modern world to exist. Without low cost, easily transportable energy (ie gas, diesel, etc) the population of the world would suffer a very quick and heavy die off. People would still be working the fields if it were not for cheap energy.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
April 3, 2021 6:24 pm

The film “American Splendor”, starring Paul Giamatti, shows Cleveland as an absolutely depressing, piece of “you know what” hole place to live in the ’70s-00s. But, a well done flick, recommended viewing

BTW, more than occaisionally here in the SC Lowcountry, you’ll see an oval rear window sticker with 4 letters on it…”GBTO”. ‘Nuf sed. We don’t give a crap about how you do things up there.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Ghost
April 3, 2021 10:13 pm

Meant to be, period. My Life Partner is a wonderful girl from the poorest county in Indiana. Got an MBA/JD while raising 4 children. Became the Chief Compliance Officer/Board Secretariat of what is now Voya. There’s a HUGE difference between Northerners & Yankees. She did undergrad at IN State, they called Cheercago “The District” and would have ZERO to do with them.

Having dated an Upper East Side girl 1996-2004, I ran the gamut. Most from that part of town were OK. Pittsburgh is OK. Otherwise, screw the rest, especially OH.

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 2:54 pm

The used to have GBTO nights at the local baseball stadium in Charleston

Llpoh
Llpoh
April 3, 2021 7:34 pm

Democrats. Unions. Blacks pouring in. Reliance on manufacturing which is relentless in its pursuit of cost reduction and automation.

Who would have ever thought that those combinations would create a shithole?

Mike Walsh
Mike Walsh
April 4, 2021 12:12 am

The exact same thing happened in Buffalo where I’ve lived all my life. I remember going to a football game in Cleveland in the 70’s and noticing the stadium had the same architecture as the old one in Buffalo. You do have some cool stuff now on the waterfront. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is one of my favorite trips.

Mike Walsh
Mike Walsh
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 9:30 pm

Yes, and the Great Lakes Science Museum…

Mike Walsh
Mike Walsh
April 4, 2021 12:20 am

I worked at the Chevy plant in the late 70’s. Ten thousand employees at the time. Today that plant produces the same or more with less than a thousand.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Mike Walsh
April 4, 2021 12:53 am

Mike – that is the point I am making. The US manufactures as much more or less as it ever did. But with 10% of the workers (ok more like 15% of the workers). Manufacturing is a self-eliminating process. It gets more and more efficient. In the ultimate scenario, manufacturing will be done with no human work being performed. AI and robots will do more and more.

The last I looked some manufacturers (thought it was BMW) are able to make engines with the only human work being to start the bolts in the threads, as robots will cross thread them. They will crack that soon enough. Manufacturing is not coming back. I said it when people thought Trump would manage it, and I was right. It is never going to be a source of high employment again.

Mike Walsh
Mike Walsh
  Llpoh
April 4, 2021 2:06 am

Right, but there’s also the issue of companies using these automated plants from China and elsewhere instead of opening them here.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Mike Walsh
April 4, 2021 2:39 am

That sucks, but it is a tiny fraction of overall US manufacturing. And it reflects US consumer buying habits more so than anything else. If people are willing to buy cheap foreign shit, that is what companies will provide.

As I said, US manufacturing as a percentage of GDP is little changed over the decades. China has nibbled at the edges, but China will go through the same thing – jobs will plummet as they automate.

AmazingAZ
AmazingAZ
April 4, 2021 10:36 am

Ah, Cleveland. I got out after 38 years. When I go back to visit, I’m struck by the low level depression attitude there amongst almost everyone.

I remember when the river burned. I saw the destruction as the “sucking sound” took all of those jobs first to Mexico, and then on to China. Living wage working at McDonalds? It would have been crazy then, as there were always decent factory jobs.

Sure the air smelled bad in Slavic Village, but everyone was working. Damn the globalists…