A note on emails from TBP

If you have an email address in one of the following domains:

@outlook.com
@hotmail.com
@live.com
@msn.com
@passport.com
@passport.net

…TBP can no longer send you updates by email. So if you subscribe to comment notifications and stuff like that with an email in one of those domains, you won’t get the updates unless and until Microsoft decides to take our mail server off of their block list.

Email servers getting stuck on blocklists is a normal thing. It happens all the time. All it takes is for a few numbskulls to subscribe to some kind of email notification and then sometime later decide they don’t want to get them anymore but instead of unsubscribing, they click a button that calls the email “spam”. If more than a few people do this within a short period of time, then the email server that sent the emails gets stuck on a blocklist.

One of the things I periodically have to do is email the postmasters on the services that maintain and use these blocklists and politely describe the type of emails our server is sending out and ask them to pretty please unblock the IP address of our server. Usually one email is all it takes.

Microsoft’s response to my email this morning looked like this:

Dear Postmaster

We have completed reviewing the IP(s) you submitted. The following table contains the results of our investigation.

Not qualified for mitigation
XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
Our investigation has determined that the above IP(s) do not qualify for mitigation.

Translated, they are telling me that they aren’t going to take our email server’s IP address off their blocklist.

So if you have an email in one of those domains above, you may want to: A. let them know that you don’t appreciate their censorship – especially if you happen to be paying them; and B. boycott them and get an email address with another provider that combats spam in a better way.

I’m not much of a Google fan, but gmail manages to handle a few metric shit-tons more email than all of Microsoft’s various email services combined. As far as I know, their methods of combating spam are far more effective and yet they do what they do without relying on system-wide blocklists. Instead they push the spam filtration down to the individual user level. You know, one man’s spam is another man’s treasure.

I’ve never once had to try to remediate sending emails to an @gmail address. I guess that’s because they want as much stuff they can spy on to hit your inbox as possible.

Anyway, sorry I don’t have recommendations about good email providers, but here are some recommendations about ones to stay away from: Microsoft (including all the domains listed above); any company that provides home Internet access like comcast, roadrunner, bigpond, xfinity, AT&T, century link, verizon, optonline, etc.

Sorry for the bad news.

Click to visit the TBP Store for Great TBP Merchandise
Subscribe
Notify of
guest
13 Comments
Warthog
Warthog
September 28, 2021 3:54 pm

Snowden knows best
https://tutanota.com/

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
September 28, 2021 4:06 pm

@Protonmail.com
they have both a free and paid services.

I am reducing my use of gmail

TS
TS
  Crawfisher
September 28, 2021 4:54 pm

I use Proton, among others. It has always been good for me.
I never use gmail, haven’t for years.

willem
willem
  Crawfisher
September 28, 2021 4:57 pm

I too can highly recommend Protonmail.com. If you’re emailing other subscribers, the service is end-to-end encrypted. At the very least, your own stuff is encrypted (except for the subject line), and only you have the key, not Protonmail. Even if they are somehow forced to yield to a subpoena (difficult), about all they can provide is metadata, no content. I migrated there from Gmail early this year for better privacy. They do have free accounts, but I got a paid premium account with a few extra features.

They also have a great private VPN that you can also use for free.

Protonmail is based in Switzerland, where the law still does a pretty good job (not quite perfect any more) of protecting privacy.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Crawfisher
September 28, 2021 6:04 pm

Sadly TBP is on their radar. I admire all that Admin has done and is doing to protect the site and I fervently hope that the bastards don’t wear it down. I’m reaching a point where I need to fall back and regroup. Go afield and see what’s happening ‘out there’ and then make plans on where to go from here.
Commenting on the situation(s) is all well and good but TPTB are relentless and like ants in numbers. I don’t know what to do or suggest that hasn’t been hashed over many, many times before…

Observer
Observer
September 28, 2021 5:37 pm

I am on startmail.com. Yes, it is not free. In this day and age it is better to avoid anything “free”, as it will likely be some kind of a honeypot. For this reason I do not have much trust in protonmail.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Observer
September 29, 2021 10:57 am

For the tech savvy, a virtual hosted computer + Debian Linux + Postfix email server + Dovecot IMAP client. Virtual hosting of a linux machine can be as low as $10/month, but you’ve got to configure everything yourself. I realize this is beyond the reach of most, and the hosting service will probably be ‘woke’, but it’s something. Encrypted email never caught on. Pity. If I had numerous friends, I would know how to do it. Involves a key web of trust.

Maybe Admin could provide email for a fee. Email on the same server does NOT travel the Internet, which would allow somewhat secure email between TBPers. You might wish you had a way to email each other in the coming months or years.

Mile4
Mile4
September 28, 2021 6:09 pm

Is hushmail.com on the naughty list?

Scott
Scott
September 28, 2021 6:23 pm

Have you tried getting your hosting provider involved? I had a similar issue recently, caused by an irresponsible RBL provider (the extortionists at UCEProtect, more specifically). I had valid PTR and SPF records set up for my domain and no history of spamming anybody. Linode interceded on my behalf and got Microsoft to unblock mail delivery from my domain. I’ve been good to go ever since. I don’t know who you’re using, but it’s worth a shot.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Scott
September 29, 2021 11:04 am

You zone file must or should be configured to allow Reverse Domain Lookup. Some email servers will check the validity of the sending address by comparing the IP address of the sender in real time with the IP address returned for the domain the sender claims to be representing.

Jon
Jon
September 29, 2021 12:43 am

The problem with sending emails to those domains is most likely not that you are banned. I solved this problem with my email host when my grand daughter’s school implemented outlook.com’s email service for school work. Couldn’t get mail to go through to them, while sending mail just fine to everyone else.

They, mostly Microsoft, have implemented Sender Policy Framework records in the DNS system. It essentially is designed to reduce/eliminate spoofed sender addresses; ie SPAM.

You can find data on this here: “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework”. I know it’s wiki-dopia, but they got a good explanation of it.

You might direct your email host to this RFC: RFC7208. They can study the logs and see if this is the problem. It sends very specific “bounce” messages back to the sending server. They can correct the errant bouncing by putting this SPF record into your DNS entries.

Hope this helps.

brian
brian
September 29, 2021 10:25 am

Just an FYI.

ALL email regardless of who the provider is, is trackable and not secure. Companies like google don’t really care about the content of your mail, thats like the sprinkles on the cupcake. They are most interested in the meta data, thats where the meat is.

They use the meta data to not only track you but to build a profile of you. Who you talk to the most, who you subscribe to, everything. And… a VPN doesn’t matter much either because they can determine you habits, identity etc by the unique numerical ID’s every device is given.

If you want security in email, it ain’t gonna happen. That said I will never use gmail, using them is like helping the enemy develope better tools to kill you. I use multiple email addies that I use for certain activities. In the end, if you want anonymity and security… get rid of all online devices. The tech companies are putting the puzzle pieces together, just don’t make it easy for them to do this…

aka.attrition
aka.attrition
  brian
October 1, 2021 3:43 am

@brian

Protonmail.com (and I am sure others) offer a solution to encrypted email which requires no software to be installed on end-user devices. You send an email from Protonmail.com to a recipient and request it to be encrypted. The recipient receives an email notification of an email waiting for them from you. They do not get the original email you composed sent to them. The recipient must then go to the Protonmail.com server (using a browser) and use a password (previously agreed between sender and recipient) to decrypt the message and view it (in the browser, not the email client). Since the connection to Protonmail.com is also secured (HTTPS) the entire process is, in theory, hidden from prying eyes. It’s a pretty good solution although one must always assume nothing is perfect.