Putin to Biden: Finlandize Ukraine, or We Will

Guest Post by Pat Buchanan

Putin to Biden: Finlandize Ukraine, or We Will

Neocons and Republican hawks such as the late John McCain sought to bring Ukraine and two other ex-Soviet republics, Georgia and Moldova, into NATO. Putin, who served in the KGB in the late Soviet era and calls the breakup of the USSR the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the 20th century, is now saying: Enough is enough.

Either the U.S. and NATO provide us with “legal guarantees” that Ukraine will never join NATO or become a base for weapons that can threaten Russia — or we will go in and guarantee it ourselves.

This is the message Russian President Vladimir Putin is sending, backed by the 100,000 troops Russia has amassed on Ukraine’s borders.

At the Kremlin last week, Putin drew his red line:

“The threat on our western borders is … rising, as we have said multiple times. … In our dialogue with the United States and its allies, we will insist on developing concrete agreements prohibiting any further eastward expansion of NATO and the placement there of weapons systems in the immediate vicinity of Russian territory.”

That comes close to an ultimatum. And NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg backhanded the President of Russia for issuing it:

“It’s only Ukraine and 30 NATO allies that decide when Ukraine is ready to join NATO. … Russia has no veto, Russia has no say, and Russia has no right to establish a sphere of influence trying to control their neighbors.”

Yet, great powers have always established spheres of influence. Chinese President Xi Jinping claims virtually the entire South China Sea that is bordered by half a dozen nations. For 200 years, the United States has declared a Monroe Doctrine that puts our hemisphere off-limits to new colonizations.

Moreover, Putin wants to speak to the real decider of the question as to whether Ukraine joins NATO or receives weapons that can threaten Russia. And the decider is not Jens Stoltenberg but President Joe Biden.

In the missile crisis of 60 years ago, the U.S., with its “quarantine” of Cuba and strategic and tactical superiority in the Caribbean, forced Nikita Khrushchev to pull his intermediate-range ballistic missiles, which could reach Washington, off of Fidel Castro’s island.

If it did not do so, Moscow was led to understand, we would use our air and naval supremacy to destroy his missiles and send in the Marines to finish the job.

Accepting a counteroffer for the U.S. withdrawal of Jupiter missiles from Turkey, Khrushchev complied with President John F. Kennedy’s demand. Russia’s missiles came out. And Kennedy was seen as having won a Cold War victory.

Now it is we who are being told to comply with Russia’s demands in Ukraine, or Russia will go in to Ukraine and neutralize the threat itself.

The history?

When the Warsaw Pact collapsed and the USSR came apart three decades ago, Russia withdrew all of its military forces from Central and Eastern Europe. Moscow believed it had an agreed-upon understanding with the Americans.

Under the deal, the two Germanys would be reunited. Russian troops would be removed from East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania. And there would be no NATO expansion into Eastern Europe.

If America made that commitment, it was a promise broken. For, within 20 years, NATO had brought every Warsaw Pact nation into the alliance along with the former Soviet republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Neocons and Republican hawks such as the late John McCain sought to bring Ukraine and two other ex-Soviet republics, Georgia and Moldova, into NATO.

Putin, who served in the KGB in the late Soviet era and calls the breakup of the USSR the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the 20th century, is now saying: Enough is enough.

Translation: “Thus far and no further! Ukraine is not going to be a member of NATO or a military ally and partner of the United States, nor a base for weapons that can strike Russia in minutes. For us, that crosses a red line. And if NATO proceeds with arming Ukraine for conflict with Russia, we reserve the right to act first. Finlandize Ukraine, or we will!”

The problem for Biden?

In Ukraine and in Georgia, as we saw in the 2008 war, Russia has the tactical and strategic superiority we had in 1962 in Cuba. Moreover, while Ukraine is vital to Russia, it has never been vital to us.

When President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognized Joseph Stalin’s USSR in 1933, Moscow was engaged in the forced collectivization of the farms of Ukraine, which had caused a famine and the deaths of millions. We Americans did nothing to stop it.

During the Cold War, America never insisted on the independence of Ukraine. Though we celebrated when the Baltic states and Ukraine broke free of Moscow, we never regarded their independence as vital interests for which America should be willing to go to war.

A U.S. war with Russia over Ukraine would be a disaster for all three nations. Nor could the U.S. indefinitely guarantee the independence of a country 5,000 miles away that shares not only a lengthy border with Mother Russia but also a history, language, religion, ethnicity and culture.

Forced to choose between accepting Russia’s demand that NATO stay out of Ukraine and Russia going in, the U.S. is not going to war.

Biden should tell Putin: The U.S. will not be issuing any NATO war guarantees to fight for Ukraine.

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Dan
Dan
December 7, 2021 6:31 am

Ukraine is NOT vital to the US. And the US should not be trying to keep the Ukraine free from Russia. That
is the job of the Ukrainians. And I’m pretty sure that when the USSR collapsed they left quite a bit of their
“strategic arsenal” in the Ukraine. Weapons that should be targeting Moscow etc. if Putin sends troops in.
Russia could take Ukraine if they wished but both the Ukraine AND Taiwan need to make sure that if their
large and unfriendly neighbors push the issue any victory they win will be a Pyrrhic one.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  Dan
December 7, 2021 10:14 am

Wrong! The last time I checked, it was the United States that liked to leave weapons lying around for its enemies to pick up and use. 85 Billion worth. You should relearn what a “Pyrrhic Victory” actually means because Putin could absorb the Eastern portion of Ukraine in a matter of hours and fortify it such that NATO, in its high heels, lipstick and dresses, would never be able to retake it.

As far as Taiwan goes. . . .it is only a matter of time.

Red River D
Red River D
  NickelthroweR
December 7, 2021 11:38 am

You mean you don’t think metallic mint green-haired trannies and menstruating men can kick ass on the battlefield?

Just Thinking
Just Thinking
December 7, 2021 6:48 am

Mr. Buchanan’s knowledge of history is always enlightening but, the assertion that Biden decides ANYTHING seems out of touch.

That is what is most frightening about all of this.

There was a report of China looking at “arranging” for a base on Africa’s western coast.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/patriotism-unity/defense-national-security/china-looking-to-build-naval-base-on-africas-atlantic-coast

We have 700 foreign bases, loaded to the gills with offensive (is there any other kind?) weapons and that’s fine, but China does the same and the sky is falling and we are all going to die.

Harrington Richardson: #I Stand With Steve
Harrington Richardson: #I Stand With Steve
  Just Thinking
December 7, 2021 12:23 pm

Going back in our own history, 78 years ago the US invaded Africa, launching from North Carolina. Obviously the reverse could occur and such a base would be a threat.
There are so many offensively located bases of the US, PRC, Russia and others we are not even aware of from the UK, France and so forth that some bright boy in one of these capitals will decide to cut the head off the snake and nuke the others. Just look at the clown car our own military leadership has become!

Note from Nevada
Note from Nevada
December 7, 2021 6:54 am

Lots of bad stuff here. Decrepit, senile old man negotiating for ‘Our Country’known for making foolish tough guy comments. But his actions: The Afghanistan debacle show who he really is and his incompetence. Since Biden has gotten in office he treats “The legal Citizens ‘ of this country like crap. His near daily threats against us, do this or else! constant drumbeat of calling us white supremacists and racists. Action after action that is wrecking havoc on our economy and social norms. These control techniques disgusts me. Putin has watched all this, he knows Biden is a puppet. Probably Putin knows more about who is pulling Biden’s strings then us The American Citizens.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Note from Nevada
December 7, 2021 7:56 am

I think it’s all theater. Putin gave his people the killer vaccine, so that means he is in on it. The genocide doesn’t need to go too far before is collapses the world economy with debt defaults and currency collapse.

August
August
  Anonymous
December 7, 2021 9:59 am

The Chinese and Russian vaccines may be counterproductive useless crap, but they are not the sort of mRNA pseudo-vaccines which are threatening the health ( and fertility) of millions in the West.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 7, 2021 2:29 pm

Of course he is in one and is owned like the other heads of state. It’s an old story of how he took “the ride” with Kissinger years ago and was promised power, riches and protection beyond his wildest dreams if he went along with NWO and played by their rules. An offer he couldn’t refuse. Everyone has their price….just a matter of meeting it.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Note from Nevada
December 7, 2021 10:55 am

Ugly and incompetent as it was, at least getting out of Afghanistan was getting out of Afghanistan – finally. I don’t lose a lot of sleep about “Americans” (named Mohammed) left behind. What I am pissed about is tens of thousands of Afghanis brought to the US. They should have been sent to other Muslim countries based upon their denomination.

Bill Johnson
Bill Johnson
December 7, 2021 7:25 am

Prediction: Brandon will step on his wiener and Putin will cut it off. Let’s just hope that’s all Putin decides to emasculate. Just remember we are now “protected” by LGBTDCGJITWPORHMJF’s who are more concerned with their feelings and pronouns than military strategy or defending the USA.
And if the USA gets into a hot war with Russia, the Chinks will take advantage and we will lose there too.
Might be fun to sit back at watch though. Best Kabuki ever. Now that I think about it, the US military is very good at Kabuki and dress/look the parts. 🤣

August
August
  Bill Johnson
December 7, 2021 10:03 am

If things go kinetic in Ukraine, it will be because NATO (i.e. the Biden regime) wants them to.

10,000 dead Ukrainian conscripts is a small price to pay for a US foreign policy victory, sealing another generation or two of European Russophobia

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  August
December 7, 2021 10:17 am

Will Great Britain join in with its 242 main battle tanks against the 23,000 Russian main battle tanks? NATO is a paper tiger.

August
August
  NickelthroweR
December 7, 2021 5:31 pm

They might send in some UK tanks, but any operators will be Ukrainian.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bill Johnson
December 7, 2021 7:15 pm

Targeting of the refineries with even non nuclear missiles is all it would take to defeat this country.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 7, 2021 7:53 am

The financiers of war who fund both sides love a good old war. I feel one coming with China invading Canada and Australia.

The Great Depop
The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 8:13 am

I will do my best with English, please forgive spelling and grammer-

Getting a bit late in the day with this now. Wea re very close to a major war.

Under the radar for most Anglo-Americans is the massive strategic partnerships being developed with Ukraine by both the UK and Turkey.

Turkey recently almost caused a major international incident when a Turkish “trainer” flew a Ukrainan owned but Turkish made and supplied Bayrackter TB2 combat drone into breakaway Donbass and fired missiles at several fortified positions the Ukrainians could not take outafter years of trying. This is well documented on the net – look it up.

Also, the British recently signed a military contract with Ukraine on board a British warship in Ukraine (Soverign british territory and under British contract law) to supply naval combat equipment and build a naval missile base in the Sea of Azov – BEHIND Russian anti-ship and anti air defences covering the enterance of the Sea of Azov and pointing directly at the Crimea bridge and the naval facility at Kirch and accross tthe entire Sae of Azov.

This is also well documented – look up the contracts.

The US, UK and other nations have also agreed to supply Ukraine with missile boats and litteral combat boats armed with EW as well as guided missiles – again this is public intel and can be found on even UK government web sources.

The US and UK have also agreed to uparm Romania – overlooking the key Russian naval base of Sevastospol in the Black Sea, and also upgrade the missile batteries (read make them capable of carrying a nuclear nuclear warhead) which also threaten the secretive Russian special ops hub at Novorosyesk. Again all this public and a good internet search will reveal the devils in the details.

What is currently going on is that the UK, te US, Turkey, and Romania are armig and training Ukraine as if they were already a NATO member (the Turkish action with the Bayractor was beyond serious thats why it was keep under the MSM radar).

There is also another interesting document on the UK gov website about decommissioning their Challenger MBT’s and rotaing them to Poland (which borders Ukraine, so it is likely they will be either sold or gifted to Ukraine giving them NATO standard MBT’s indirectly by leaving them with “obsolte and decommisioned” yet fully viable battle tanks in the hundreds).

The permanent rotation of Aegis and British warhips in the Black Sea gives a constant anti-missile defence of Southern Ukraine (and a constant threat to Crimea and the Bridge) by NATO, and a sumarine hunting ability and spec ops deployment spy capaility in the region.

Also interesting is the planned military canal Turkey are talking up which would allow NATO to bypass the legal protections by treaty of moving warships through the Bosphorus. Bypass and the Bosphorus and bypass the traty so the theory goes. Again a good internet search will reveal gems of info on this plan.

NATO are clearly slow-creeping Ukraine into NATO in all but name, and whn they feel they have enough top cover they certainly will begin a slow tip toe creep firstly from Poland (hence the Belarus issues) and then through the Black sea and Southern Ukraine.

Russia is well aware and has already prepared its forces for war, including moving heavy (read nuclear) missile systems into Crimea and “new” (read nuclear) Iskander tactical missiles and S400 into Kaliningrad on the Polish border). If Russia accepts the invitation of Belarus to station Iskander and S500 in Belarus then we can deduce war is very close, if not yet imminent.

The Ukraine isue is by far the bigger issue than Taiwan, and Russia have ade it clear the war will be taken to those giving the orders – meaning that Washington and London will not be sitting back with pop corn watching fireworks in Europe – US and UK cities will be burning too.

I hope my English was clear above.

DirtpersonSteve
DirtpersonSteve
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 8:34 am

Very clear and interesting to read.

My gut feeling is that all this will be kicked off with the assasination of Erdogan. Just like the death of Franz Ferdinand exposed secret alliances and banking interests.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  DirtpersonSteve
December 7, 2021 10:05 am

Every good war needs a trigger event.

The Great Depop
The Great Depop
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 9:24 am

A little more background for those used to seeing mostly US and russian “heavy-weight” drones, the Turkish Bayractar drone is considered by experts to be by far the best “middle-weight” combat drone currently available on the international market.

It is compatable with all NATO systems- both survelience and targeting, and can be integrated into both US and UK satalite and naval communications systems to give it extended operating capability (US and UK spy planes in Black Sea and Ukraine currently supplying Ukraine with targeting data on Russian forces as well as Donbass freedom fighters).

The Bayractor has caused devestation in Syria and Libya and almost caused Armenia to be brought to complete defeat in the recent Armenia-Azerbaijan war. Only direct intervention by Russia prevented a complete route of Armenia by Turkish backed Azerbaijan who used Bayractar to destroy Russian suplied air defence and missile systems at the beginning of the war, and tanks and apcs during war.

NATO integrated Bayractar will be big problem for Donbass without Russian air defence.

From the Drive (highly biased site and calls civillians in Donbass “Terrorists” but explains in videos Bayractar capability for very low cost):
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42894/ukraine-strikes-russian-backed-forces-using-turkish-made-tb2-drones-for-the-first-time

Harrington Richardson: #I Stand With Steve
Harrington Richardson: #I Stand With Steve
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 12:40 pm

Let me see….do I want a multi-million Dollar drone or the same amount in Stalin Organs and Katyusha missiles? The Generals on our side want the drone. The Generals on their side will rain thousands of the Katyusha rockets on NATO ground troops.

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 1:35 pm

One other thing about the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict which is very relevant to us: the Armenians were mostly Christian, and the Azerbaijani, even though the territory under dispute actually does belong to them, are Muslims, which explains why Turkey would back them.

The real question, however, is who is backing Turkey? I think we know the answer. Look at the region where all this conflict is happening: who stands to gain from this? Why are they antagonizing Russia?

Only someone with an underlying fear and hatred of them, I believe.

The Great Depop
The Great Depop
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 9:28 am

Hiden in this document is the sugesstion that these still very British capable tanks may be sent to Ukraine (via Germany, and then Poland).
https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/24/defence-committee/news/152744/report-obsolescent-and-outgunned-the-british-armys-armoured-vehicle-capability/

The Great Depop
The Great Depop
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 9:34 am

Just one UK contract – note where it is signed – on a British warship as per the signing of the surrender of nations during wars on warships famously Japan. It means that contact is with “State” not “Government”, so even if the current Government of Ukraine is removed and replaced (ie war with Russia) the “State” of Ukraine still gets British and NATO support.
These are long term agenda planning taking place in plain view for war and containment options:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-signs-agreement-to-support-enhancement-of-ukrainian-naval-capabilities

Just one contract of many.

Yahsure
Yahsure
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 9:40 am

I’m not sure of the goals, but every country has its military/industrial complex and needs wars to keep the scam going. The Presidents in the U.S. seem to get us involved in wars as a distraction whenever things get too hot here and they need a distraction for the media and unhappy citizens.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Yahsure
December 7, 2021 10:15 am

With what is happening curently in America I fully expect a distraction soon. (WAR.)The virus fear is wearing off, ozone hole gone, ice growing in the arctic. We need a new crisis. Time to see if our new army (fighting fags) is up to the test. Send in Milley with his pink hair, that oughta scare them. Add in the 4 star Admiral for full effect. Make the enemy puke then cuff ’em.

Stucky
Stucky
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 10:04 am

Bombing the Crimea bridge or the naval facility at Kirch will absolutely force Putin’s hand to end the existence of Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

And don’t forget Putin’s warning. Not only will he annihilate the country from where the bombing originates, but he will destroy the country from where the orders originated. That could mean Washington D.C.

I hope and pray you all have a wooden desk you can crawl under.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  Stucky
December 7, 2021 10:21 am

Duck & Cover!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Stucky
December 7, 2021 11:02 am

Biden’s error could bring about the destruction of DC? That would be horrible.
(Do I even need to insert a smiley face or a sarc tag?)

Harrington Richardson: #I Stand With Steve
Harrington Richardson: #I Stand With Steve
  Stucky
December 7, 2021 1:05 pm

Yamamoto rejected any idea of invading the Continental US because “there would be a man with a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
I believe if one were to invade Russia today there would be a man behind every snowball with an AK, an RPG, an RPK, a PKM and a literally endless supply of ammunition.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 10:14 am

If the sources you mentioned are indeed accurate, kudos for your research. Links would’ve been useful, but doing my own research, I suspect I’ll find them. You’ve done a genuine service with this post and reassured me that having chosen to live a bit west of the middle of nowhere in the Southern Cone was far from the worst decision I’ve ever made.

The Ukraine situation (agree that it’s the more pressing one) has become genuinely disturbing. Starting to make me recall 1962 as a 16 yr old wondering if I’d see 17.

August
August
  The Great Depop
December 7, 2021 10:18 am

Just because the UK has agreed to support a Ukrainian ‘naval missile base’ on the Sea of Azov doesn’t mean that such a base will be constructed. FWIW the US Navy had very concrete plans to renovate an older building in Sevastopol as the regional USN Headquarters, and those plans certainly didn’t work out well.

I agree that war is very likely in Ukraine, hopefully a limited one. I think most of us can predict the outcome, at least in the Ukraine theater.

Perhaps even a limited ‘policy war’ will help more patriotic Americans wake up to just how they’ve been jerked around by the US military-industrial complex for the last seventy years.

Stucky
Stucky
  August
December 7, 2021 11:49 am

This is what England once was ….

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This is England today ….

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The problem with England is their delusion believing they are still the first picture. Fact is, they are irrelevant militarily. Screw ’em.

anonymous
anonymous
  Stucky
December 7, 2021 9:44 pm

I do believe it is time to watch this movie again. Threads. A tale of nuclear holocaust and extremely well done as a movie. Even if you survive nuclear Armageddon, do
you really WANT to live in that kind of world?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE

Mygirl…maybe

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
December 7, 2021 8:46 am

All I can think of is are home preparations good enough for the systemic collapse when the missiles start flying.
We are a hollow shell of a society and the shell is getting thinner.
Best to say your prayers and keep your powder dry.

Stucky
Stucky
December 7, 2021 9:04 am

1. Dementia Joe is NOT ” the real decider of the question as to whether Ukraine joins NATO or receives weapons that can threaten Russia. And the decider is not Jens Stoltenberg but President Joe Biden.” That’s utterly delusional.

2. The video meeting is supposed to last several hours. Can you imagine a dementia addled idiot matching wits with a superbly intelligent Putin?? Holy shit!

3. It is beyond pure insanity for Stoltenberg– and the entire US government — to say that Russia is not allowed to secure its own borders. Western “leaders” are incompetent and stupid to a degree never before seen in the annals of human history.

4. If there is a war, America will not be an active participant. That would be suicide. Whatever ships or fleet is sent into the Black Sea will be destroyed within days. America will be happy to sacrifice thousands or tens of thousands of Ukies, Poles, and other European troops as cannon fodder.

5. To what end? To collapse Russia economically and politically (since a military victory is absolutely impossible). Russia’s military victory will result in the USA!USA!USA! forcing Europe to abandon Nord Stream II …. resulting in a significant loss of revenue for Russia. This results in economic disaster which will lead, it is hoped, to the removal of Vladimir Putin. Checkmate. Russia again becomes a pawn of the West, or so it is hoped.

6. There are two other factors involved. America is a some stage of economic and political collapse. The country is virtually ungovernable. A House divided will not, can not, stand.

7. Secondly, there’s the Jizz-lane Maxwell trial. I believe the Powers-That-Be are literally shaking in their boots regarding the potential revelations that will be made known. I’m talking mostly about the rampant Pedophilia throughout government, even to the very highest levels.

8: Bottom Line? The Powers are losing control of the narrative … even the Covid narrative. NOTHING they are doing is working. In fact, everything they do is only making things worse. They are pissing in their boots. They are in Panic Mode.

9. Nothing like a Wag The Dog war to regain control. “The people” almost always unite again in the event of war. This has been shown to be true countless times in America’s violent past. And it will be true again.

10. Repeat after me —– USA!USA!USA! Russia bad, very bad!! Excellent! You are now part of the Hive Mind, like 90%, or more, of your American neighbors next door.

Yahsure
Yahsure
  Stucky
December 7, 2021 9:43 am

Smoke and mirrors. I gave stucky one upvote and it gave him two.

Stucky
Stucky
  Yahsure
December 7, 2021 9:56 am

“I gave stucky one upvote and it gave him two.”

What can I say? The Lord is good, my friend.

“Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap.” —– Luke 6:38

PSBindy
PSBindy
  Stucky
December 8, 2021 4:20 am

LMAO

Wilbur Ross
Wilbur Ross
  Yahsure
December 7, 2021 11:06 am

Ya, it just means there was already one in the counter when yours was added.

anonymous
anonymous
  Yahsure
December 7, 2021 9:49 pm

This is war games from 2018, predictive programming? The players here in the video are the ones saber rattling in real life….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqWAi_H_9o

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Stucky
December 7, 2021 10:20 am

The world is becoming a very dangerous place with the inmates running the asylum.

Doohickey
Doohickey
December 7, 2021 10:04 am

What I find hilarious is that Biden is warning Putin to stay out of Ukraine after we invaded Syria with US troops without any invitation by the sovereign state of Syria. I thought there was a treaty we signed to forbid that, short of a declaration of war.

My guess is that Putin has no intention of invading Ukraine. He’s just shaking his rattlers due to NATO’s involvement in Ukraine, his next door neighbor. It’s reported that Turkey has sold armed drones to Ukraine that are being used to kill Russians living in Ukraine.

I don’t think we’d overlook it if Russia conducted joint military exercises in Mexico on the US border. I vividly remember when Russia tried to plant missiles in Cuba. It almost ended in WW3. Now we’re planting missiles in eastern Europe on Russia’s doorstep. Should Putin be concerned? Hell yes!

America politicians have a very short memory when it comes to history.

August
August
  Doohickey
December 7, 2021 12:19 pm

The “responsibility to protect” has been a major, and very convenient, part of the USA’s defense doctrine for decades now. We’re a Global Force for Good, you know, defending freedom and human rights all over the planet.

I feel sick just typing the above, but it really does represent US policy. Bipartisan US policy. It’s like the USA is being run by demons.

Doohickey
Doohickey
  August
December 7, 2021 1:23 pm

The ‘responsibility to protect’ sounds familar.

Isn’t that the same policy that the Soviets practiced as it seized all the satellite nations that became part of the USSR?

They taught me all about that ‘domino theory’ as a kid in grade school while we practiced crawling under our desks to survive a nuclear attack.

Funny how the worm turns. Isn’t it?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  August
December 7, 2021 2:32 pm

R2P – Samantha Powers’ doctrine that justified toppling Gaddafi and converting Libya from a livable country to an Islamist-run hellscape.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
December 7, 2021 10:20 am

ALL of our troops now stationed around the world should be brought home to repel the invasion from our southern border. Why do we insist on protecting other countries while ours is overrun with third world people who have no intention of becoming an “American”?

whoopie
whoopie
December 7, 2021 12:47 pm

I seriously doubt that Putin sincerely believes the borders of Russia are being threatened by NATO. Just his lame excuse to finish what he started when he took Crimea and Obama played the role of Chamberlain. Guys like Putin and Xi can smell weakness, Biden reeks of it.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  whoopie
December 7, 2021 2:43 pm

So you think Russia would invade Ukraine because the biggest country on Earth – with only 146 million people – doesn’t have enough LAND? Why wouldn’t Putin perceive Russia to be threatened by the march of NATO to its very border? The (((architects))) of American foreign policy for the last 30 years have had a historical enmity toward Russia that goes back to the Pale of Settlement. They’re not going to end their scheme until Russia is toppled or at least crippled and humiliated for perceived sins during the time of the Tsars. The fact that the American neocons are the progeny of (((“Russian”))) communists doesn’t make them conservative. It just makes them bent on revenge – against Russians and Christianity in general. NATO’s eastern border has crept inexorably closer to Russia. Is that because the US desperately needed to be in a mutual defense pact withe Estonia? That’s funny, because we’ve been getting invaded across our southern border and I don’t see any Estonians helping out.
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Stucky
Stucky
December 7, 2021 12:54 pm

*******BREAKING NEWS **************

The video link meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US counterpart Joe Biden wrapped up after just over two hours. The Kremlin had pledged the leaders would talk “for as long as it takes” to resolve open issues.

The much-anticipated video call on Tuesday touched on a number of topics, including the US accusation that Russia was amassing troops to “invade” Ukraine, which Moscow has dismissed as “fake news.”

Contact at the highest level was “badly needed,” Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said before the call. The two countries have “multiplying problems,” he added, with no progress on bilateral relations.

Biden is expected to call Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as well as the leaders of UK, France, Germany and Italy after his conversation with Putin, according to the White House. His national security adviser Jake Sullivan is scheduled to brief reporters on the call later in the day.

The only live meeting between Putin and Biden since the latter took office was in June. The Geneva summit was hailed as a potential breakthrough, but progress has since failed to materialize.

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I rather enjoyed a comment made by Деда Калоперовић —-> “Putin holds a black belt in judo. Biden holds Obama’s black dick.”

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HERE: https://www.rt.com/russia/542489-putin-biden-meeting-wrap/

And HERE: https://www.rt.com/russia/542472-putin-biden-summit-tensions/

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 7, 2021 2:50 pm

If war ever breaks out between the US and Russia, I may enlist – if the Russians will have me at my age.

LeRoux
LeRoux
December 7, 2021 3:36 pm

Nobody brought this up, maybe because of the USA-Centered Comments.
Biden, in the debates, criticizing a Staring, dumbfounded(?) Trump with the
comment that he had not prepared for the Cold Dark Winter ~~~
Preparing, as in taking steps to “Create” The Cold Dark Winter.
Is Biden taking that next step somehow in preparing Europe’s ordeal in the Coming Winter?
Will he make a step with the Sanctions, with NATO Countries going along, that will
totally VOID all of the remaining Nat-Gas Contracts between Europe and Russia?
Will he hand Putin the Legal Right to Shut The Flow Off Completely?
MAYBE> Block Russia out of SWIFT, – – – AND The Contracts are Written for ALL Payments
To Take Place Over Swift???
Or maybe some other Premeditated and Inane Crap, that will Catch Europe By Surprise???
Surprise?? Yeah!! Wink-Wink Nudge-Nudge Surprise!!

anonymous
anonymous
  LeRoux
December 7, 2021 9:57 pm

When the economy is turned to shit and financial collapse looms, when the peons aren’t getting enough jabs and maybe, just maybe, are starting to wake up, was becomes necessary.

B.S in V.C
B.S in V.C
December 7, 2021 8:10 pm

USA M.I.C. is in full scale cold war 2.0