Who was the greatest U.S President in history? Why?
Who was the worst U.S President? And why is it Obama?
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Greatest —–> Donald Trump. Three reasons; 1) no new wars, 2) He built a wall (or, at least part of it), 3) he drained the swamp (or, at least he tried)
Worst —–> Dementia Joe. Over 1,000 reasons. (My favorite is #17: Dementia sucks DDD)
what he said above
The best? Washington and Andrew Jackson. Creation of US, and destruction of National Bank…
The worst? Lincoln (civil war), and FDR (depression &WW 2), with about 20 or so close runner-ups….
William Howard Taft was the GREATEST.
Fat Bastard was so great, he routinely got stuck in a White House bathtub and had to be extricated by the hired help.
IMO, you got one out of 3 correct. He did not start any new wars (although he did authorize some bombing runs in Syria). He did not build a wall. He had part of a wall built. And, to add, he did not ask for any funding to build that wall until the 3rd year of his presidency, when the republicans lost the house. He did not even try to get the funds in the lame duck session before Pelosi got the gavel again. After the dems had the house, and Pelosi got the gavel, he asks for money? Are you shitting me???
Draining the swamp? Not even close. All of his cabinet members were deep state actors. When he fired some of them, he replaced them with new deep state slimeballs.
Sorry buddy, I think you have more hopium on Trump the trojan horse than facts.
Trump was a Judas goat.
Bigly!
There’s only one better word for what he was…
…but that’ll become more obvious after he returns.
Wow, 5 downvotes as of this response. I did not realize we still had some many Trumpsters on this board. When are you people going to wake up?
According to previous thumb widgiting here, Brewer, Trump support was around 75% “for” versus 25% “against” prior to his election in 2016. Then, it hovered around 50-50 toward the end of his term. Now, since the 2020 “election”, it looks like Trump support has dropped by half here on The Burning Platform.
Outcomes matter.
Umm no, Trump support has dropped by 80%, but good try bud.
Not even close, Hillary.
gastby-Here on TBP there are hardly 20% who would say a kind word in Donnie’s direction , then there is you and Big Red. You say you didn’t vote for him both times, either you live in Israel or you have fallen and hit your head for giving him a blow job at this late date. They pay people to say kind things.
Who’s Big Red? Me?
I voted for his ass the first time, only because of how much I HATED Hillary. Prior to that I hadn’t voted in a presidential election for many years. I just really, really didn’t want Hillary to win.
I never voted again after that. And I never will.
And I think Trump is the Antichrist.
Literally.
MGM- not you
As I was.
Two things I hate being mistaken for are the Unibomber or a Trump groupie!!!
she’s not a trump groupie… it’s just a sore spot with her (conceded) for a number of good reasons
+Red- The late great EC called MyG, Big Red. She is still a Trumpeteer, she claims to have moved on .
Roger that.
I know MGM is a Trumpster.
I just didn’t know anyone called her Big Red.
You need to get out more, EC labeled me Big Red back in the day and included a pic to boot. Big Red is bottled in San Antonio, home of the Alamo and Texas freedom. !!! I love El Donaldo Trumpo, you all are just jealous. He’s got Melania and you lot? Bupkiss.
B55,
MGM voted 4 times (but not because she likes trump) she’s just… well….
still luvs ya miss D
Sweetie, I road the bus to ALL the polling places. The democrats gave me cigarettes and money every time I went and pushed the buttons. Little did they know I was voting for Donaldo. They thought I was one of theirs because I squealed with delight and jumped up and down in my seat whenever they told me about Hillary and how to push the buttons for her. .
how clever
I KNEW you’d understand…gosh. Next time I’ll take you along, the folks on the bus are all really nice. You’d like them.
May I call you Sugar? I used to call a few fellas Sweet Cheeks. The polling place didn’t seem to mind when I wrote Sweet Cheeks on the ballots.
Am I moving too fast here? I’ll be good, promise.
call me anything that you like – I tried….
Oh, dear….so did I.
what is this? Handel’s Messiah
If you’re hinting at biden being the better president, you’re stupid. Dude’s literally using tax dollars to build a wall around his house. Not saying trump was any better.
Are you some kind of stupid? No hints of Beijing Biden aka Dementia Joe being better. This is NOT a binary choice. Now, go back to sleep.
I see hundreds of Trump supporters on GETTR. And while he’s 1000x MORE Preferable to Ol’ Commie Joe & I voted for him in 2020, for just that reason __ Trump’s “great successes” were designed for the short term, to give him just enough popularity to win in 2020. And yet, he lost due to MASSIVE Election Fraud and CRIMINAL CONSPIRACIES.
Still, looking at long term effects from deals like the $4.8 trillion “Budget Bill” written to balance by 2035 & the sovereignty-killing USMCA negotiated by Obama holdovers, along with the FISA Reauthorization, Trump governed more like a Democrat than a Republican.
I’ll allow that he did put America’s enemies on notice, but he also violated the Bill of Rights, he’s No Conservative & Americans must stop electing the LESSER of Two Evils!
Conservative & Independent Americans’ consistent voting for the Lesser of Two Evils, RATHER THAN DEMANDING AMERICA’S BEST PEOPLE For Public Offices, IS PRECISELY WHAT HAS BROUGHT US TO THIS POINT, along with Massive Corruption in the States’ Election Process & the Electoral College.
Until our society’s people reject the current corrupt, immoral status quo running rampant across all our institutions & FIX IT SO A SIMILAR 2020 ELECTION STEAL CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN, AMERICA’S SLIDE TO HER DEMISE WILL CONTINUE AT BREAK-KNECK SPEED.
America’s Good Men & Women MUST STAND NOW, STAND STRONG AND DEFEAT THOSE WHO SEEK TO IMPOSE A FOREIGN-FOUNDED MARXIST/MAOIST TYRANNY ON US ALL.
And if we can hold an honest election again, BE DAMNED CAREFUL Who You Nominate for Office.
President Trump was a Big Government, Big Spender who really didn’t properly understand the Constitution, especially our Bill of Rights, & although he did many fine things, his willingness to abrogate the 2nd Amend by suggesting foregoing “due process”, considering red flag laws and banning bumpstocks via executive orders, as well as violating the 4th Amend via HR76 and the FISA Reauthorization Act DISQUALIFIES Him for me as a 2024 contender.
YES. He Made CORPORATE AMERICA BUCKETS of CASH, But I Could Give a DAMNED LESS. At the same time, HE WAS CARELESS AND INEPT When It Came to PROPERLY DEFENDING INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY & All Americans Inalienable God-given Rights.
America needs a REAL LEADER who PRIORITIZES OUR RIGHTS OVER the Almighty $$$ & Corporate CEOs’ bonuses.
SURE> Plan to support Trump in 2024, if You really believe a man who allowed his daughter to push a Massive Socialist Program through legislation, and his son-in-law to subvert immigration policy, is the answer for America’s problems.
But rather than support a man who isn’t too far removed from the socialist world view, given his advocacy for the anti-American United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, shouldn’t YOU be seeking a TRUE Freedom-Loving American who puts our Inalienable God-given Rights over handing Special Interests and Corporations deemed “too Big to Fail” more federal subsidies and Your hard-earned tax dollars?
When will America wake up and Nominate Men and Women of Integrity who will create a BETTER & LIMITED — LESS INTRUSIVE — Government?!!??
Bush abandoned the Free market in 2008 and propped up the economy by greenlighting Marxist Stimulus, which Obama used to a great extent.
Trump followed suit with more Communist economics, essentially propping up a Fascist Economy, by pumping $100 billion per day into the Repurchasing Markets from Sept 2019 ’til the economic collapse in March 2021, also pushing and signing massive spending bills.
And now, Biden and his Criminal Commies are UNHINGED in Their Demands for Trillions UPON TRILLIONs in New Spending to Pay Out to Their Supporters.
ORDINARY AMERICANS DON’T BENEFIT FROM THIS IN THE LONG TERM, I.E. MASSIVE HYPER-INFLATION/ STAGNATION.
No Business Is “TOO BIG TO FAIL” — That’s Why We Created the BANKRUPTCY CODES.
Kill the Fed! Kill FASCISM!
I don’t care if You support Donald Trump or not for the 2024 presidential candidate. But, what is disturbing is witnessing so many Americans blindly following anyone, when one person won’t be America’s salvation.
It’s going to take us all fighting harder than we’ve ever fought before, because as You saw, Trump faced a Deep State that included the entire Dem Party PLUS RINOs in his own party, and try as mightily as he may have, HE STILL FAILED, in some part due to his own unforced errors.
In my estimation of things, we won’t restore America in even the most remote sense of the word, without first fighting another FULL BLOWN HOT Civil War, because the opponents we face today want nothing less than the complete destruction of Our Founding.
America doesn’t need a failed leader like Trump, who saw the handwriting on the wall regarding Mail-In ballots and Did Not Act Proactively to Stop the Election Theft; he waited until the election was done, when he should have been activating the Justice Department to ensure everything was above board. He should have immediately sued State Registrars who were arbitrarily changing state election law by ILLEGAL diktat and edict.
In part, Trump has himself to blame for his loss.
We need a leader with an almost prescient state of mind, who cannot be controlled or manipulated by the Deep State actors, due to his own integrity and knowledge of his Constitutional authorities as president [something Trump seemed oblivious to at times]. A leader who promotes Good over Evil.
Vote for Trump in 2024 if You wish. I’m waiting for the person who can actually assemble a Great Team able to defeat the Democratic Party Communists & ferret out & DESTROY the DEEP STATE TRAITORS.
This won’t get done by voting for pro-Trump Candidates, a large portion of which support our current fascist debt-based economic system, the status quo. You saw Republicans fail to repeal Obamacare; you’ve seen Democrats eat Republicans’ for lunch over the past five years, even when Repubs were the majority under Trump. The usual Republican & RINO we see time and again isn’t fighting for You and me and freedom — they’re fighting for their Wallets.
STOP VOTING PARTY AND START VOTING FOR CANDIDATES WITH A KNOWN & PROVEN RECORD OF DEFENDING INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY!
It’s hard to miss the fact that President Donald Trump REALLY DOES LOVE AMERICA.
Maybe he’s learned the hard lessons of being prepared & having as much information at hand as possible to be able to neutralize & arrest traitors, where necessary. He was too trusting when he first entered office, thinking his opposition were people who also loved America, and it handicapped him in his ability to effectively carry out his presidential duties in the early months.
If so, he might do alright if he can pull off the win in 2024.
I’m just not crazy about seeing more domestic TRUMPISM that brings More Big Government, More Big Spending — even if it’s Repubs doing it — & more assaults on the Bill of Rights that are either his doing or go unanswered due to his uncertainty and lack of Constitutional literacy.
And then there’s this. Regardless of how one sees Trump’s stand on the issues and his past policies and the bills he signed, it’s hard as hell not to like him when he says things, such as this quote from his recent rally in Texas:
“If I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6th fairly. And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly.” ~ {still} President Donald J. Trump
I hope Y’All found this of some bit of good interest, and if not, I hope the rest of Y’All were entertained in some way.
When will America wake up and Nominate…
No…. when will america wake up and quit giving its consent to a system that is well past ‘fixable’ at the polls
Most YES. Voting in this country only makes one accomplice to fraudulence, criminality and unspeakable treachery.
Yes … and then there is that, theOtherDan. I was mainly just throwing thoughts out that day without really putting in a whole lot of deep thought. But I’m still trying to see if he greatest portion of our society can’t ultimately be persuaded to arrive at a truly peaceful resolution of our many differences on many issues.
And ultimately, as I have often written in the past, we have become too divided into two completely different camps, holding totally antithetical worldviews from one another, and so long as the Democratic Party keeps embracing Marx and Mao and committed to ending our Founding in their agenda to fundamentally transform America into an authoritarian socialist state, our nation will remain on its greased zip line descent to a full blown hot civil war — a war we had better fight with all that’s in us and everything at our disposal to ensure the Forces of Truth, Life, Freedom and Liberty emerge victorious from the other side of the smoke, fire and chaos, left only to cart away the dead carcasses of the red, radical Democratic Party Commie Rat Bastards.
I’m with You, Dan. I just still like to fantasize from time to time that there might really be a peaceful path ahead. But that won’t come, short of the people having a mass epiphany or a miracle from God.
My uncle was a staunch republican all his life and when he died he became a democrat.
too long, be succinct.
Yeah – should be obvious in comments sections.
I found your perspective interesting. I agree with much of it. As far as being entertained, not really, I’m hugely jaded.
Don’t believe for a minute he would pardon anyone except some ferrules his jewess daughter and sloped head son in law approved of. He should have sought the council of his sons, not his daughter. Nothing against daughters, it just says a lot about him.
Best President IMHO is a tie. Washington and Jackson, if the country had one man like them we might be spared the judgement we’re under.
Thanks Norman! I agree with You, especially concerning Ivanka and Jared who are as socialist/globalist as they come. Ivanka influence Daddy to spend Big on the Child Care Act, another UNSUSTAINABLE Big Govt Welfare Program and Jared undermined Trump’s immigration policy the duration of his term.
It is a great puzzle as to why he didn’t seek his sons’ input on policy more than he did, but there’s no telling what was going on behind the scenes. I know Jared held a lot of influence, perhaps because he was all in for the money, and although Trump wasn’t taking his salary, maybe Jared, a billionaire in his own right, was greasing the rails elsewhere for Trump … just speculation given some of the business deals that ended up in Jared’s pocket.
I’m just looking to the day the biggest portion of this country actually does come together, through anger, shared misery, an awakening among them, under one strong leader or several to rain down a hot wrath and violence carried out with extreme prejudice against the traitors to America and these Commies, as if God’s vengeance and their Day of Reckoning had arrived.
Best president? Thomas Jefferson. He had red hair and he said stuff like this…..
“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
― Thomas Jefferson
“Honesty is the first chapter of the book wisdom.”
― Thomas Jefferson
“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
― Thomas Jefferson
“The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”
― Thomas Jefferson
“I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
― Thomas Jefferson
I hope Y’All found this of some bit of good interest, and if not, I hope the rest of Y’All were entertained in some way.
Well, alrighty then….
DJT did one truly wonderful world changing thing as president:
He opened millions of eyes to how completely corrupt and evil
our government is.
Anyone who did not already know that is a simpleton and an idiot.
but now the question – is it
better late than never
or too little too late
Oh, and Jimmy Carter was second best. The way he handled China and the economy was brilliant.
It was billy beer that pulled us out of stagflation. I think that it threw the Iranians off their game too… opening the door for Reagan.
I kept a sixpack of billy beer for years hoping it would become a collectable.
You Too?!!? … HAhaHahahaha …..
I actually had the occasion to meet Ol’ Billy at the Silver Wings Restaurant at the Nashville Int’l Airport back in 1976 [or was it ’77]. Had a bit of conversation and a beer with him at the bar, and then he reached in his travel bag and pulled out a sample can of “Billy Beer” and gave it to me … HAhaHahaha … He was far from bright, but a lot of laughs — just a memory from days gone by.
Operation Eagle Claw … DAMN! … Those poor Delta Boys didn’t know what they had bitten off ’til it was past late. It seems like only yesterday America watched it all play out. Reagan stepped into office, and lo and behold, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and the Ayatollah folded like a crepes suzette.
Life sure takes us on some interesting twists and turns along the way.
And the rescue of the hostages? Ooh la la!
The greatest president was William Henry Harrison. Reason? He died after only thirty days in office in 1841 and therefore did the least damage of all of them.
1000 thumbs up.
Yep, I was going to say something…the best POTUS is the one who served the shortest term!
I wuz gonna say that, but you beat me to it!
Yep, he’s got my vote!!
I just included all the ones who died in office in my 12:42pm comment. Wasn’t kidding.
+100. WHH shouldn’t have taken the jab.
Tippiecanoe died of a cold contracted at his inaugural…and no pandemic was declared…
I tend to lean toward Andrew Jackson (I am a distant relative of his wife Rachel) for his fight against the banks, his support of the common man and his no-nonsense way of dealing with issues. The downside is his threat to use the military against SC if they tried to secede and his removal of the Indians from their ancestral lands.
0bama was certainly the worst for his “fundamental transformation” of the country. The current administration is his 3rd term, even though not elected.
I am also conflicted about Jackson for the reasons you state.
There is a story that Jackson invited “the people” to an inauguration party at the White House, which becane so raucus he fled by jumping out a window.
Even though Jackson uprooted the Cherokee, putting them on the “trail of tears”, he WAS fairly liberal about allowing them to take their property with them. That’s why there’s a slave graveyard in OKC.
The descendants of the Cherokees’ negro slaves were mostly considered tribal members until the age of indian casinos dawned with the attendant disbursement of profit sharing amongst tribal members. Then it became no coons allowed.
The greatest was Calvin Coolidge. Ole silent Cal didn’t do much. He didn’t muddy the waters. No ego. He left the people alone.
The worst was Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln’s war simply centralized governmental power. He paved the way for the govt we have today. He was a liar and a murderous tyrant. Thank God for John Wilkes Booth.
absolutely agree. there has been no better than Calvin and no worse than Abraham.
Booth is a heroic son of Virginia
I would join you in lauding John Wilkes Boothe, but the fact of the matter is, he was an actor, and the entire “assassination” was faked.
It amazes me how people can overlook the first, most in-your-face clue that it was faked: It happened inside a theater! And we won’t talk about how, since this was in a time of war, that the Secret Service somehow allowed Boothe access to the President’s box; does that sound logical?
And if that doesn’t sway you, consider this: the entire audience there consisted of high-ranking military officers and they were all armed, at least with swords, back then. Yet Boothe was allowed to hobble right out the front door with no resistance from these officers. You’d think maybe one or two of them might have thought to stop the man who just shot the President — not only that, but who had jumped down from the President’s box onto the stage floor, whilst holding a knife no less, then clearly shouted SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS! and then ran right out the front door.
Only in America…
In all actuality, Lincoln was a dead man either way. He would not have survived another term, and so he had to go out with a bang. Several surgeons throughout the intervening years have stated Lincoln had cancer just based on photos taken of him back then.
Absolutely faked…See Miles W Mathis’s discussion for the proof… Booth was a known Union sympathizer, extremely famous, and extremely wealthy..,.
Definitely the weirdest looking president.
JW Booth who killed Lincoln did not burn in a barn; he escaped covered in a wagon driven by someone else; then assumed another name and lived out his life as a normal person in a Missouri town (I think it was there) and he either provided positive proof just before he died or his survivors did just after. I wish there was a good biography book I could reference.
Woodrow Wilson even managed to beat Lincoln, for worst prez ever.
It’s tight between Lincoln, FDR, and Woodrow..All did horrific damage to America…
Without Lincoln and his destruction of the constitution, the others could not have done what they did. He paved the way. I place the top worst presidents in this order:
1. Lincoln
2. Wilson
3. FDR
4. Bush Jr.
5. LBJ
The last 2 are, perhaps, interchangeable.
The South’s stand against the North was the last time anyone fought for your rights. They lost. The entire country lost. The US has been on a slow boat to hell ever since.
Damn right C J,and the Last time any soldier fought for their country it’s been down hill ever since is spot on “All War’s are Banker Wars” Maj Gen. Smedley Butler USMC
The real enemy has been within our borders, They’ve taken over every organisization,branch etc etc No Shots Fired
jefferson
The only president who didn’t leave office richer. Maybe Trump is another one.
adams right before him likewise on that item..
jefferson, however, was also adamant that no central banks should ever be allowed to exist, he knew the danger and fought to prevent the rot from getting a foothold in america.
Doubled the size of the country dirt cheap and without war.
He’s in the conversation.
Outstanding, and Louisiana Purchase was huge..,,
George Washington, hands down.
I tend to agree. The man who could have been king and said “No”.
Plus, wherever he screwed up he had the built-in excuse of “Hey whaddya want? I’m the first guy to do this.”
He was the Froto of his time
Because he covered it all didn’t he? And he married a nice lady named Martha Custer, not custard, who may or may not have been a little odd.
Oh, and Obama is the worst only because Biden’s not finished his painful tenure and cannot be considered “in history” yet.
Then, Biden will wear the albatross and his legacy will by synonymous with failure and ruin.
Yes, but Obama and Dementia Joe didn’t get millions of people killed or hand the country over to the bankers…So 2d rate disasters
Martha Custis was a very wealthy widow when G Washington married her.
Then James K. Polk is 2nd.
Completed manifest destiny by getting the
Pacific Northwest without war, Texas, and all of the southwest
with a short war with Mexico. Then completed an independent treasury,
as Jackson’s protege, and fulfilled every promise made in one term.
True…
Up vote as he was my 4 greats grandma’s brother.
I don’t know who the best was but, Warren Harding should be in the top 5 or so. He was scapegoated as being responsible for the Great Depression however, he exhibited many constitutionally correct decisions and believed in the people, not the government.
JFK (even though he was a democrat) had more conservatism in him than today’s republicans — and I’m not even counting the RINO’s. He tried to end the Fed and to greatly curtail or dismantle the CIA. This got him killed, I believe.
He was fiscally responsible even if he was too socially liberal.
The worst? The current faux POTUS, Oblahblah & the Peanut Farmer. Trump may actually be the worst if we find out for absolute certainty that he is the Trojan Horse, divide the conservatives and religious right, that we think he is and, the father of the killer shot.
JFK also did the 2 things that got him assassinated: he wanted to go after israel for its nuclear weapons program that was solely the product of israeli operatives/supporters stealing both the necessary weapons designs from US labs as well as their stealing the weapons-grade fissionable materials to actually make those weapons; he also told his brother, RFK, the Attorney General at the time, to go after AIPAC and all of the other pro-israel/pro-zionist PACs and make them file the appropriate reports under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act.
These 2 items were what got JFK (and, likely, RFK) assassinated. It’s interesting that one of LBJ’s first acts as POTUS after JFK’s assassination was to tell RFK to end the pursuit of the FARA law against the PACs as JFK had ordered.
And, of course, it was LBJ who assisted the israelis in their attack on the USS Liberty … by telling the US Fleet in the Mediterranean to stand down from coming to the assistance of the Liberty …
Interesting…I was not aware of this.
That is basically all bullshit. What got JFK killed was refusing to do what the MIC told him to do. The MIC runs the CIA, and the FBI and most other so called intelligence and LEO bureaucracies, and has 99% of Washington DC on the payroll. When he would not tow the line they made an example of him and his brother that no other President would dare ignore…
jdog,
why do you think trump used delta force & private security 4 part of his security?
remember the secret service agent who died of food poisoning?
brewer,
carter has grown on me over the years–other than the energy & education depts he was not all that bad–he inherited most of his biggest problems,though he did not help himself–
imagine if he had gotten his zero based budgeting passed,how different govt spending might be–i believe that is why the deep state went after him the way they went after trump,b/c he was a threat to the bi partisan,permanent bureaucracy/deep state–
Agreed..Harding brought America out of the Wilson Depression by cutting spending and encouraging business…
William Henry Harrison as best because he did the right thing for America and died after only a month. All should have followed his brave lead.
Yup. Great minds think alike.
He would probably have been fine, he didn’t want any wars…,
1) The best – Martin Van Buren
2) The worst – It’s still Abraham Lincoln although dementia Joe is catching up…
Obama’s third term.
Greatest-The ones that died in office. 🙂 Reagan was really just Trump before Trump came along. People were basically happy and undivided.
Worst-There were so many, Joe has to be winner of the “ugly dog” contest. I don’t really consider him a president, but I quibble.
BL… just read this, really. Reagan and Trump were both what one might call “populist” presidents, elected by their appeal to the populace over the electorate. Reagan is the “greatest” president in my memory because I grew up in that malaise Jimmy Carter noticed and/or caused.
At one time I had a college folder with 42 reports on forty three different presidents and their administration, assigned to 21 students as a midterm in a polisci class. It was an undergrad class, but the majority of them were quite interesting, telling when, where, background and major policy changes due to them.
I pitched them a few years ago, but reread them before they went. Some of them were gems.
Ghosty- Reagan was a turncoat DEM liberal, ex head of the SAG which only elects closet commies for that position. Trump was a long term DEM liberal who attended every DEM convention til he did a 180 to remake himself around 2008. Both are actors and nothing but actors playing their biggest role. Both populists BECAUSE they told the great unwashed what they wanted to hear/believe. Suckers……
At least the sheep were happy, secure and very much patriotic and still loved the red, white and blue when Ronnie was in the oval office. Just look at the Canuck’s pride waving those big leaf flags Mags….IT STILL MEANS SOMETHING. They love their country. We are ZOG occupied and have dipshit in the big chair , little or no pride in what we have become. We need to start honking.
People insist on worshipping the gipper, the man who gave us the coke/crack scourge and the MIC with a platinum discover card we used to spread our liberal disease to the rest of the world. FF 28 years and we trade Ronnie the carnival barker for Donnie the carnival barker on steroids. Amazing, and now we are clamoring for him to fool us the 3rd time.
And his mortal wound was healed and the people marveled. 2020 was the mortal wound and suddenly I’m Back.
Flea- I have for years tried, begged, hoped ya’ll would put the bloodline pieces together to see that these (presidents) are all bloodline . There is not a real organic pick in the entire list. Oh well, you and I have been flapping our gums for years and only occasionally get past their public school/History Channel programming.
Might as well ask who is your favorite actor.
Yup but we’re compelled to keep trying. I get plenty of inquiries at [email protected] and they stay with e till I mention it wasn’t about eating apples in the garden that got them kicked out. I never hear from them again.
I watched the vid on KJV & bacon – even more questions now but the main issue still is the reliability (if even only in part) of the Masoretic Text. I know that there was great concern at the time of even getting a trustworthy copy of it from the jews… but your contention goes well beyond that. The crux of the matter then – is there an inspired version of the old testament extant.
you’ve given me plenty to start with. re the links, let me put together a 30,000 ft view of where I’m at (which will take some time – swamped right now) and then maybe have a more targeted discussion on various points. I just pinged your email
OK see you tomorrow or next day.
And his mortal wound was healed and the people marveled
bam — I have been wanting to say that for a long time but wasn’t sure if I could justify it. That’s the verse that horrifies me with respect to trump.
I was also hesitant to say it til this trump 2024 get legs. He gave Israel the golan and palestine and moved the embassy to new Jew-Ruse-Salem.
Tsk, you all still think Trump is viable? And here I thought you all had some sense and a sense of the reality here. There’s a phrase that comes to mind…something to do with a horse…
Trump and the Company seem to think he’s viable even if it’s only as prozac/oxy for the right. He’s front and center every day. What I might think doesn’t change what they are presenting in the media. Are you denying he’s not being put out there for 2024?
Come up with some new lines. That schtick is worn out.
Who’s the archetype of the Antichrist in the Bible?
NIMROD the Tower Builder.
Daniel 7:20
And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows…
“…very great things…” is translated from the Aramaic word RABRABAN, literally, GREAT GREAT…
Christ names him in John 14:30.
His tower on 5th Avenue has the 666 architecturally incorporated into the ENTIRE front of the tower in the inverted triangle:
In the Netflix documentary, TRUMP: An American Dream, he has a statue of a weeping Mary on his coffee table in his penthouse. NEVER seen one of those before.
I can literally post about 100 more of these.
He’s the guy. The Man of Lawlessness. The Son of Perdition.
The Once and Future KING.
The King of Babylon.
DAMIEN THORN (D.T. — six/five letters)
DONALD TRUMP (D.T. — six/five letters)
Who was Damien in the movie? A rich ass military school kid who grows up to be a politician.
CO-FUCKING-INCIDENCE?
I think that we’re by and large on the same page.
The inside of his condo is real spooky also. Way over the top King Soloman type excess.
Best-G. Washington (Self evident)
Worst- W. Wilson (Fed & Income tax)
I would agree with your assessment.
I believe near the end of his life, before he pretty much lost his mind, Wilson realized, at least in part, what he helped to create and was supposedly regretful. I say supposedly because I’ve gotten to the point where almost nothing historical can be trusted.
Wilson also was paralyzed with a stroke for 9 months, and his wife literally ran the country and very poorly…
washington loses a couple of points for giving so much influence to hamilton at the very crucial first moments of the newly formed government. the camel got its nose under the edge of the tent, as they say. adams and jefferson tried to drive out the enemy, but it was not enough. after that the bankers got their bank, and it took jackson (otherwise a questionable character) to kill the bank (a first rate heroic fight on the side of good) decades later. had not the hamilton faction had so much support from washington, would they have managed to allow the congress to adopt the states’ revolutionary war debts? would they have allowed the congress to emit bills of credit, which the constitution had forbidden to the several states? would they not have made even more explicit the ‘shall not make any thing other than gold or silver coin a money’ applying also tot he federal government? that would have likely made it a lot harder for a bank to ever be established, and probably even blocked the formation of the federal reserve. babylon would not have so easily relocated its headquarters from london to new york as the fading british empire was eclipsed by the even greater american industrial power – instead probably babylon would have tried fighting a war of anihilation against america, which at that time, late 19th cent/early 20th, given the basic reality of america’s enormous energy and resource abundance, would have resulted in a conclusive defeat of babylon at a time when american ideals were still commonly understood and upheld among the majority of the population. instead america became babylon’s greatest enforcer and was muscled into sacrificing even herself at babylon’s altar.
in conclusion, i reaffirm my vote for jefferson.
I truly admire Dwight D. Eisenhower for his true leadership in World War II and his foresight in creating the Interstate Highway system and other accomplishments he made while US president but he is the president who unleashed the CIA upon the land, mismanaged the Executive response to Brown vs Board in a way that prevented immediate redress of grievance fairly won.
Great general but a terrible president.
I also truly admired Reagan, but for mostly for his being a non-political politician. He had great charisma, I believe, because he had great character and judgment. He wasn’t always a good judge of character though, was he? He delegated authority perhaps too easily and is probably most responsible for allowing the military industrial complex to assume great power by elevating the Veterans Administration into his cabinet, creating another new funding stream parallel and somewhat merged with Defense spending. No wonder they had to get rid of building seven.
The bureaucracy gained great power under Reagan. And, we all know that power once seized is hard to pry back. It has to be taken by force.
Don’t even bring up Oliver North.
Mags- I didn’t say we didn’t get a big stiffy up our collective arses during Reagan, I was speaking about the “mood” of the country and patriotism was alive and well for the most part. “Mood” is really all we ever get from the boys at the lodge, they run their operations no matter what/who occupies the oval orifice window dressing showroom.
I was just writing out loud. I liked Reagan…his actions greatly benefitted me.
In American political theory, people vote their pocketbook.
I liked Reagan as well. So much so I became one of Ronnies hired guns.
Ol’ Trickle Down? Major factor of where we are Today.
I’d say Reagan was secondary to the Fed printing the shit out if USD’s and corruption all the way down the line since Ronnie. I’m no fan of any of these POTUS Puppets.
Come on man, Operation Wetback, give the guy his creds!!
Harrison because he croaked shortly after taking the oath of office. We don’t need to be lorded over by psychos. Any of them.
“Who was the worst U.S President? And why is it Obama?”
Because Biden, more’s the pity, is still present tense.
Although I’ll note that both Obama and Biden were built on foundations laid by Wilson.
Calvin Coolidge. Most president that we revere had plenty of good points, but they also made some disastrous errors, even Washington. IMO, Coolidge had the most positives and the least erroneous negatives. The only 2 things I can cite him for was 1) not putting an end to the horrible things Wilson had done prior (Prohibition, income tax, Big Govt crap) and 2) not running for a3rd term – had he done that, he likely would have handled the 29 crash far better than the idiot Hoover, and we likely wouldn’t have had the commie-loving FDR. Think of how the world would have been altered had he run again, and he likely wouldnt have died at such an early age: no depression era BS, and he & his successors may have stopped Germany before it got rolling, and certainly wouldn’t have given eastern Europe to Stalin. Things to ponder…
George Washington. He led the birth of a nation and he is probably spinning in his grave right now.
Lol, the second part of the second question is leading. Biden is just a puppet for Obama, who admitted he would love a third term. He had to “follow protocol” while he was “elected”. Now, he can do what he really wanted to do all along. What an evil minion of the powers who want to be. He is also a puppet and doesn’t know it yet.
He is a puppet. And will never know it. Obama’s puppet, I don’t know about that. Obama is a puppet. How about Rothschild and Rockefeller?
R squared? Could be puppet masters or could also still be puppets. Are they hiding in plain sight or is someone pulling their strings, too? Time to revisit the book of 300 people.
courtesy mark….
Thank you.
Me thinks Stucky was watching a different movie than the majority of us here from the looks of his comment at the top of the page. I saw a much different screenplay with the ending so tragic thanks to Mr. “WARP SPEED” and his “BEAUTIFUL JABS”. An ending that STILL haunts me in my dreams nightly.
Do you love your executioners, well do you?
BL, good buddy, scholar and gentleman, Wisdom personified, a Patriot of Patriots ….. get on the fucken train, my man! Don’t be Left Behind!!
BL does not ride the train to hell Stucky. Just roll up your sleeve old friend and ride while you chant, “I think he can, I think he can, I think he can”.
BL does not have FOMO.
I thought you were a TBP veteran, BL.
You don’t know when Stucky’s funnin?
Red, do you not know when I’m poking his fat ass with a stick, I stir shit at times too. And yes, I’ve been here a long time , back in the day I tortured the poor boy sumpin’terrible. We are hopeless STM’s.
You poked his ass with a straight face!!! Who knew you wuz only muckraking…
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DOOM ON ME!!!
The GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME…. El Donaldo Trumpo… el est magnifico. Let us also discuss how the matador waves the red cape to infuriate the bull…
…and wanted to start a shit fling, too early in the day for that.
it’s been a long day miss D. Are you -sure- you wouldn’t rather have a drink? I’d buy – just to put an end to this
Well, sweetie, since you’re buying….
sarcasm is a lot like pickled herring…. one can only take so much of it at any given time…
Oh Sugar, I’m not being sarcastic, if you lived in Texas I’d buy you a beer, just because….we could hit the local beer joint and go dancing. I am a great dancer….bet you are too.
sorry, I’m a wallflower
I’ll be gentle….What is this Miss D bidness?
doppelganger – which has proven to be so in spades to my regret
Sorry. I thought you had a sense of humor. My bad.
Flea has my email….the ball is in your court should you want a real and serious convo…
I have a sense of humor – like I said… it’s been a long day.
Should I get to TX I’ll take you up on the beer – not the dancing, your feet would never be the same
Contact Flea….he and I visit sometimes, I’m not the best correspondent but it’s nice to visit sans the internet. I can draw diagrams for foot placement for the Texas Two Step, the saintly and reverential song and dance of my ancestors…
I owe FB an email
I can draw diagrams for foot placement for the Texas Two Step, the saintly and reverential song and dance of my ancestors…
You could try.. but it wouldn’t be ‘Hallelujah’ that you would be screaming — well maybe at the end of the song
Ok, a waltz, it’s easy…
better but still potentially dangerous. keep the podiatrist on standby
Well, Senhor, it is late and I must retire, I enjoyed our repartee, asta la vista and all that…
Andrew Jackson. Hands down. One of the only Presidents that fought the banks. The true evil of the world. The problem then and the problem now. Guess what 2 countries don’t have Central Banks. Poor Libya, they were the third, but did not have nukes…..
My pick also. Kicked the Rothschild cartel out on their backsides and survived. Quite a man!
Burma doesn’t have one…
Andrew Jackson — he absolutely destroyed the Second Bank of the United States and the push for centralized banking in America in his time. But unfortunately, years later, Fools arose who pushed ahead with his folly, placing the control of our currency under the auspice of private bankers in what we now know as “The Federal Reserve Bank”. Jackson was trying to preserve freedom, but in 1913, Wilson made certain all Americans would be controlled by Fed policy, massive debt and the Revenuers of da IRS, crooked-nosed bastards that they were.
Trail of Tears?
An unfortunate result of too many savage attacks by lawless Natives against settlers that sent Andrew Jackson over the edge. Unfortunately in North America, a mutual animosity existed in portions of the populations that resulted in the almost extinction of the Native People. A social justice revenge event that will probably happen again, and there are a couple minority groups vying for the dishonor.
Wonder if the Indians were thrilled with Jackson? They didn’t do so well under his tenure…especially the Cherokee.
Seminoles, the unconquered.
Biden doesn’t count. First president that’s OBVIOUSLY fake.
“First president that’s OBVIOUSLY fake”___________Guest
Why count the fakes that were not that obvious? Brain dead, demented, stupid?
He’s so fake they don’t even let his ass in the White House. Just the other day Marine One dropped him off on the south lawn and he started walking across the street to the Eisenhower Building by force of habit.
If they let him through the patio door to the Oval Orifice, it’s purely for theatrical purposes.
I know right ,Red? Next thing you know , Joe B. will be calling Uber to get around. 🙂
That might work. They can give Joey a magnetic presidential seal to slap on the door of his Uber.
Or they could just shuttle him around in one of these:
Lincoln’s 2d term was fake, he didn’t even want to run, and only massive vote fraud kept him in office..
Washington, he could have been king but he had principles.
Biden, he is ,well everyone can see.
Jefferson Davis , by a country mile.
“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert it’s self, though it may be at another time and in another form.”
President Jefferson Davis, C.S.A.
“Nothing fills me with deeper sadness than to see a Southern man apologizing for the defense we made of our inheritance. Our cause was so just, so sacred, that had I known all that has come to pass, had I known what was to be inflicted upon me, all that my country was to suffer, all that our posterity was to endure, I would do it all over again.”
President Jefferson Davis, C.S.A.
“…the contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena.”
President Jefferson Davis, C.S.A., address to the Mississippi legislature in 1881.
“We feel that our cause is just and holy; we protest solemnly in the face of mankind that we desire peace at any sacrifice save that of honour and independence; we ask no conquest, no aggrandizement, no concession of any kind from the States with which we were lately confederated; all we ask is to be let alone; that those who never held power over us shall not now attempt our subjugation by arms.”
President Jefferson Davis, C.S.A. – 29 April 1861
Stop Flash , before I bust out in a chorus of “I’m A Good Old Rebel”!! When you send a letter in the mail do you put O.C.S.A. after the city/state ? I love to see that, makes me uber happy.
THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN! Believe it……
Watch it son, you’re dissing the South and them’s fighting words.
Low IQ due to inbreeding, be my guess.
Who said the South shall rise again , idiot ? Sometimes I wonder about you, tard.
Yeah but he lost the war and now we have to do it over again.
Read for comprehension, bruh.
Best ever: Washington. The whole enterprise goes downhill after him.
Worst ever: Lincoln. America’s first Tyrant. Then Wilson. America’s racist progressive tyrant. Then FDR. America’s first communist retard blueblood tyrant. Then LBJ and everyone after him to Fuck Biden.
How could Jackson not be the greatest when they named a city after him – AND this chick has fantastic jugs?
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What is the guy holding the ladder looking at?
Juggz.
I see London, I see France, I see….
Damn the torpedoes, full steam a “head”.
Taft or TR.
Best- Hands down Andrew Jackson, The man took on the First Bank of the US and beat them. Can you imagine a President today with the stones to take on the Fed and abolish it? Andrew Jackson made this a free country From the mid 1830s up to 1913 when the bankers took it over again.
Worst-That is a tough one as it is more or less a three way tie. Wilson for allowing the Federal Reserve and the income tax act. and the other between FDR and Truman. Between the 2 of them they instituted corporate run socialism and the Military Industrial Complex. We are all now just slaves to those institutions.
On your side with this one!
Greatest?–clearly George Washington…Worst?–Abe Lincoln, who got more than 10% of the American population killed (many by starvation) and destroyed 20 years of GDP to enforce an abusive Tariff…Andrew Jackson, Tom Jefferson, James Monroe, and Calvin Coolidge also very good…
You have lots of company here when it comes to G.W.
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Greatest – William Henry Harrison. And why, you might ask? Simple – he died after about a month in office before he could mess the country up more than it is! Wish they’d all do that!
Worst? Anyone after JFK, except Reagan. Oh, and throw in FDR, Woodrow Wilson, and Teddy Roosevelt for good measure. Then again, Lincoln was an absolute tyrant who forced the South to stay in the union when they should have been left alone and directed his generals (Sherman, etc.) to commit war crimes. Perhaps he was the worst. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be on Mt Rushmore (and neither does Teddy).
Greatest…tie, Andy Jackson & Grover Cleveland. The latter did more to heal the wounds of the War of Yankee Aggression. And was a true Jeffersonian.
Worst…hey, Dementia Joe has 3 more years. Can’t judge yet. Tie again…Woody Wilson & LBJ. Woody – WWI involvement, the Fed created & direct election of the Senate. Plus could have pushed back against the Volstead Act, which created the Mafia nationwide.
LBJ started this whole welfare state crap. Obummer is simply a legacy of that.
Grover Cleveland and his veto pen are #1 on my list. The Texas Seed Bill is the example all presidents should follow.
I know Trump and Reagan are going to get a majority of the votes here, but I’d like to put in a word for James K. Polk. Most notably he expanded the size of the country more than every other president (I’m aware of Mr. Jefferson’s acquisition of Louisiana). Our military also fought a won a significant victory against Mexico during his administration, but his avoidance of war in the Pacific Northwest reveals a great deal of courage and political wisdom.
Here’s the list of my five worst presidents:
Obama/Biden
Carter
Wilson
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Outside of Carter, they’re all progressives…hmmmm.
Which one had the least to say?
The worst President, IMO, was Abraham Lincoln. Responsible(more than anyone else) for the deaths of 600,000 to 650,000 Americans, many disabled, had newspapers shuttered, editors locked up, had the Maryland state legislature locked up before it could vote to secede(some who spent the duration of the war locked up and never charged with a crime), suspended habeas corpus, refused to meet with a delegation from South Carolina on three occasions to discuss a peaceful solution, blockaded Southern ports(an act of war), supported Sherman and Grant’s devastating plunder, destruction(resulted in raping and pillaging), and much more. He would have been tried as a war criminal had the North not won the war. What other President was more destructive?
George Washington.
Andrew Jackson, Hussen Obama
Best: Andrew Jackson
Worst: Woodrow Wilson
Bush the lessor was worse than Obama.