Tomorrow marks the two week anniversary of the Great Canadian Trucker Protest.
The Blockade on the Ambassador Bridge connecting Canada to Michigan has become disruptive to Michigan’s economy. Gretchen Whitmer is calling on Canada’s national and local governments to take immediate steps to open the bridge. The Biden admin is also urging Canada to use federal powers to stop the disruption at the boarder.
Will Canada be pressured by the U.S. to use military force on it’s protesters?
Should the U.S. even be getting involved?
If Canada brings in their military, what would be the result? Does it end well, or badly, for the Canadian Government?
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Very doubtful. What are they going to do send fighter jets to strafe the convoy? The military is good at killing people and breaking stuff. How does that work here? My sense of it is if they try to get them to attack the truckers they might turn the tables and attack and arrest all those Cretans in their parliament starting with Fidel, Jr. Then the 4th turning gets serious.
Makes for good, comforting fantasy, but highly unlikely.
And every bridge destroyed means more money for a government contractor.
What you say is true.
This is also true —-> Never, ever, underestimate what TPTB will do to stay in power.
As such, a government that will almost gleefully manhandle a small feeble old man, enough to cause visible bruises, is most definitely capable of “strafing” the bridge. The amoral principle has already been breached … what’s left is only a matter of degree.
I live in MI and I urge our Canadian brothers/sisters to stand strong. Don’t let us or anyone else tell you what to do. The Canadian people are carrying one heck of a burden right now. They are standing tall against the One World Order. The good folks of Canada need our support to cure this tyranny that is present in so many countries right now. This tyranny is here in the United States of America. The Canadian people are standing tall against this tyranny, WILL WE STAND TALL WITH THEM?? WILL THE REST OF THE WORLD STAND TALL WITH THEM??
Honk, Honk
I don’t think they have the talent or the means to “just move” that many trucks – whether from the bridge to Detroit, from Ottawa or from the border blockages in Alberta or Manitoba/ND-MN. Maybe the one at Emerson, Manitoba is still small enough to unwind. People who say “bring in the military and move those trucks” are mostly bug men of the laptop class.
And then who is going to move the cargo? Because in addition to the ones that won’t be working because they are killed or arrested they would have a general truckers strike through out USA and Canada.
Amazon will unleash their army of drones to deliver packages.
This is what John described in Revelation as the Abyss cracking open with bearded, long haired locusts emerging in billows of great smoke!!!
Yes. The locusts will actually come bearing Chinese crap to deliver at your doorstep. That’s what John meant when he said they would TORMENT US!!!
He was RIGHT!!!
This is what I also believe would happen
I do not think the Canadian military would get involved, even if asked.
US needs to mind its own business. They will start erecting the fence around the capitol soon in anticipation of the US convoy. SanFranNan will insist on troops to protect her fiefdom from these common folk who are demanding freedom. She will give them the freedom she wants them to have and they will be happy with it.
Canadian government is in a corner and cannot win no matter what they do. They have tried to smear the truckers and it did not work because everyone sees how peaceful 99.99% of the protesters are and how violent the government goons are when arresting 72 y-o men who honk their horns.
I am ready to see the trucker surround the District of Corruption and keeping anyone from entering or leaving.
I will be traveling to Oklahoma City that week and returning the 5th or 6th. I’m hoping to see part of the convoy as I travel back to Missouri.
I will be honking at every truck I see, waving a flag!
Honkety Honk!
Ghosty…
Have you ever visited Woolaroc just outside Bartlesville?
https://www.woolaroc.org/
https://www.woolaroc.org/wildlife-preserve
No, but it is someplace we can take the new grandson, God willing!
Thanks… I have been to Arbuckle Wilderness in Southern Oklahoma… it doesn’t look nearly as good as this.
No
Agreed.
No, but they will hire some mercs to come in and bust heads. The commies in DC will send more FBI and HLS in for free. Commies have lots of tools in their toolbox, the truckers have God and the support of the people. I’m betting on the truckers.
Yes.
LOL. Brevity is the soul of wit.
A one word answer is witty?
perhaps…
Correct.
Yes
The Canadian Army will join with the truckers if they are sent in. Book it.
Many will. I love that the tow trucks sent to move the trucks JOINED the convoy.
Aside from depositing their limbs on Zionist field trips while securing trade routes for CIA black economies, the only legitimate violence that white men are allowed to prosecute in the Globohomo empire is that which is levied on other working class white men. So…
Must be a closet globohomo who gave you the dv.
The CIA and FBI are already there, scheming.
Who do you think had the one flag with swastikas on it?
They at least rememberd to iron it first so the “just took it out of the package” folds wouldn’t be visible like they were in Charlottesville.
They have been in Ottawa since the beginning Mags. Scumbags….and WE are paying for it. 🙁
Definitely the FBI, there’s a lot of pull down ropes on those trucks.
It’s going to end well for the government as always.
Canuckistan inhabitants are not allowed to carry any weapons, and make no mistake, the Trudeau government is in this, to win it. Premier Ford in the province of Ontario just decried on live TV that henceforth fines of $100,000 and 1 year incarceration for blocking any bridges, highways, airports and critical infrastructure in his province. It may take awhile, but rest assured they will clear the roads of trucks. Yes I’m upset, however little can be done when I’m unarmed and have to wait 4 years till the ballot box opens up again.
Its bluster. They can make decrees all they want but there are plenty of lawyers stepping up to the plate, pro bono. Its a political battle and will be won, not thru violence. This is what has stymied them to no end. Baby castro and the govt thugs are pushing hard for violence so they’ll have an excuse to use violence.
Like FM pointed out a couple days ago, the moment we pull arms, we lose. Its not going to be won with police or military action.
Then you under estimate the strength of position, of the logistics personnel and over estimate the power of your weaponry. Haven’t seen any of that oft spoken 2nd amendment power toted frequently and the US of A HAS BEEN stolen by the communists without a shot fired. Not to worry, the canuks will show you the way to take back your country and freedoms, without using firearms.
HONK HONK….
Thank you for showing the way!!
I tell you the truth,brian, right from the very beginning, the very first day, I wondered to myself …. why aren’t American truckers leading the way??
Why the fuck are not only American truckers sitting on their asses, but most everyone else as well? Remember the tens of thousands protesting the Vietnam war? Where the hell are those kind of people??
We got old.
So they are making laws by decree?
Yes. You obviously are not aware of how they handle gun law up here either then. In Canada we live in what essentially is a dictatorship. Has been for 40+ years. They just install a new dictator occasionally.
You will see a huge uprising against the govt. in US if they help,that WILL get interesting.
I hope US citizens help block the bridges this weekend and beyond,tis all our involvement should be.
Truck goes “Honk!Honk!”
Canadian Goose also goes “Honk!Honk!”
If the idiots in the professional classes do anything to harm these truckers, they will unleash about 500K US trucks that will bring the US economy to it’s knees. Let’s just go ahead and get it on.
I don’t make predictions. But the damn is breaking and there aren’t enough people to stop the leaks in the cracks. I think this is funny. Probably it should be in Friday Fail but it might get lost in all the comments. It’s very funny and Phoenix will appreciate it.
How much more proof do people need showing we have no representation?
You are welcome! I like to brighten someone’s day with a chuckle.
It’s a test of wills now. Who’ll break first.
Who will stand fast or escalate. Winner take all.
To save face TPTB very likely will attempt to order military intervention.
The more important question:
If ordered will the military intervene or stand down?
Go freedom Truckers.
There is not doubt that this is a huge game of chicken. However, if the trucks stop moving everything grinds to a halt. Remember the trucking strike against high fuel costs. That push back got the attention of the TPTB. My point is, that was just about high fuel cost, this is about our individual countries and the freedoms we enjoy. This is about tyranny from some One World Governance. If the OWG attacks the truckers then I hope all the truckers in as many countries as possible park their rigs. There will be pain to endure but, it won’t be slavery.
Truck goes “Honk!Honk!”
Canadian Goose also goes “Honk!Honk!”
Not regular CA military, the chance of triggering an insurrection is too big.
(And I have no idea what kind of special [-brainwashed] forces Canada has.)
They have a Humvee a fixed wing Cessna a 16 foot row boat and some bottle rockets
Don’t laugh… those bottle rockets can take out an eye, eh!!!
Honk Honk…
M,they have the SMF(Special Moose Forces),with that cleared up,doubt they would follow illegal orders!
Truck goes “Honk!Honk!”
Canadian Goose also goes “Honk!Honk!”
Don’t forget our attack cougars and beavers.
and tree moose…
Where are all your wolverines?
They stay over in Michigan
Snap!
I do not know if the military will be used against the truckers. However I’ve realized that we are witnessing the beginning of the North American Civil War. In recent years the left has removed their “liberal” camo and been open about their willingness to use violence against their opposition. Left wing violence against persons and property have been ignored and even encouraged by the PTB.
The truckers protests are using some of the more non violent means to fight back. Those protests fill the left with fear that the normies are realizing that they are targets. The truckers are the vanguard of those who are going to fight back.
There has to be at least two sides to have a civil war. I think the opposition to the left is beginning to realize they must pick a side. People fighting the left scares the shit out of them. Let’s Go Brandon!! Honk Honk.
The Civil War started years ago, summer of 2017 at the latest, but is still in Cold phase so far…
Combination of willing military, willing local PD’s, willing RCMP, and an influx of mercenaries,
disguised in POLICE gear, with vests, helmets, face shields, batons, pepper spray, and a
willingness to get violent and bust some heads when truckers object to being pushed around.
What we saw down under in Australia. Goons with no conscience. Sadists. Thugs.
Trudeau’s been given an ultimatum, but not by the Canadian people. It’s coming from TPTB,
and they’ve been leaning on him to get this resolved, “by any means necessary”, or he’ll be gone.
Get ready, Granny. Hell is coming to breakfast.
This is for all the marbles. They will not let the people rebel and dictate because it would set a bad precedent. They don’t really represent us anyway. The victor here will be the one that takes it most serious. The powers have been working on this for too long to let this end peacefully, they have moved too far and fast. There are way too many armed older folks that know their history and remember freedom. When you start seeing blue helmets, yea, hell is coming to breakfast.
Deterrence? 9 gasoline tankers parked under that tower – and a match – might give those psychotic bafflejabberers some pause in their militaristic chattering.
I see two scenarios if the government orders the military to break up the convey.
1) The military or many in the military say FU to the government and that is the end of Trudeau.
2) The military very harshly breaks up the massive peaceful protest which causes most Canadians to start supporting the truckers and dooms Trudeau’s government.
I prefer #1, but #2 works for me.
It can’t stop at dooming Trudeau and the Liberals. It has to be catalyst to tear down the system and rebuild as government is supposed to be, FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL. In Canada we don’t really have that. At best we have a veneer of democracy wrapped around totalitarianism and authoritarianism. We essentially elect, from those we are told we can vote for, a new dictator each election. Little difference in any western ‘democracy’.
The truckers are fighting the first battle of the Great North American Civil War.
Sorry to say:
No plan.
No voice.
No victory.
Wait and see. Given what a clusterfock this thing has the potential to turn into, I think the government will back off and wait for their next opportunity to sodomize the public when they do not have any opposition. Then again, these bastard bureaucrat’s are some pretty damn stupid SOB’s, so anything is possible.
I think Trudeau and other Parliament members of his “ilk” possess enough Hubris to try and do so.
The Canadian military folk I knew while in the Co-manned AWACS community (many Canadians were assigned to the squadrons for NATO purpose) would side with the truckers, without a doubt. They might be ordered to go there and remove the truckers, but I doubt any true military action will be taken.
It would be ugly and ignite a real revolution.
But, that may be just what the Luciferians want Trudeau to ignite.
They would have to shut down all the YouTube streams first. Otherwise it would be shown in real time.
Hubris and overreach…overreach and hubris…TLPTB (L=Luciferin) are going to get their demonic Covid Con slapped back internationally starting in Canada.
God Bless each and every Trucker and their supporters!
TLPTB prophetic bum rush will be delayed.
Construction on their 2nd Tower of evil babbling Babble will be halted for as long as God decides.
TLPTB piss ants will fulfill their prophetic role when the laughter ends.
Psalm 2
King James Version
2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
In due time
I think that has already happened and that their punishment is their rejection of God and the Kingdom that Jesus showed the way to.
It is pretty incredible hubris to think that they could be the ones to make it happen.
Governor Whitless is violating the Constitution by conducting her own foreign policy and should be sanctioned or arrested immediately on federal charges. The Ottawa soy jack police returned fuel they took with water and garbage mixed in. They should be arrested for vandalism and violation of court orders. Most of you know what water does to injectors. Exactly WHO are the f’ing criminals?
They can’t stop smuggling of cigarettes etc. across the Detroit River. They can’t stop drugs and human trafficking in plain sight on the southern border. They are going to deal with hundreds of millions of pounds of tractor trailers and people working against these VoPo assholes on both sides of the river?
Do not resort to violence. Obstruct, obstruct obstruct. Cheer on our Canadian neighbors and cheer on those Americans following their lead. Make China Joe give his f’ing state of the disunion speech from his living room.
It is just blatant how they selectively protect federal primacy.
Why pose the question that way? ‘Canada’ or Trudeau ain’t in charge of choosing anything. The question is will the Cabal choose to use force and pretend ‘Canada’ chose it?
Don’t forget – Trudeau is a graduate of the WEF ‘Tyrants in Training School’ … actually called the ‘Young Global Leaders For Tomorrow’ … and, in fact, Klaus Schwab (founder of the WEF) recently bragged about how many heads of state and their cabinets are made up of these folks (not just Trudeau, but more than half of his cabinet, according to Schwab).
These demonic folks want to destroy the 1st world … make no mistake about that … and they’ll use the 3d world to do so.
Doubt it? Look at the map that CNN has of FauciFlu vaccine status per country … the 1st World is virtually fully jabbed — the 3d world in africa is almost the 180º opposite … and the 2d world of mexico and central and south america are in between.
As we’ve seen for more than 20 years, the 3d world is being used to overwhelm 1st World Nations — look at the EU — and the United States is knee-deep into it for the past 60 years since LBJ’s 1965 Immigration Act that, basically, ended our southern border.
These folks are playing for keeps … and, like the old Rolling Stones song, time is on their side.
He didn’t graduate… they passed him under the special needs class…
Becomes less likely by the day but not impossible.
Whitmer is obviously an anti-freedom whore. No shock that she is calling for violence.
It is one thing for a country that everyone “knows” is evil like China, to bring out the military and start killing its own citizens. Quite another if you are a country that likes to pretend its “innocent” and “freedom-loving.” Now obviously the lockdowns and the jabs have murdered hundreds of thousands if not future millions, but something as overt, well-documented, and likely live-broadcast, would not sit well, and would likely inspire millions around the world who are hoping that the only country that has ever truly pretended really hard to believe in freedom will help save them, to realize that they are on their own and better do something quick. Such potential would be seen by all the global tyrants as a bad thing. This is truly a no-win for the pieces of excrement that infest our governments (globally). But of course they always have war….and don’t think that it wasn’t purposely moved to the front burner as the plannedemic narrative began collapsing.
I just hope that nobody thinks that even a 100% cave by both criminal governments will mean anything good for either the near or long term. These folks aren’t done, and this is the moment they have chosen to go “all in.” They know the consequences if they lose. They have murdered millions.
I say no, the canadian army will stand down… this just posted 15 minutes ago.
Not likely!
no
I think they will “retire” Castro Junior – to some child-filled island where he can play dress up to his heart’s content
placate the truckers (or wait them out – 90% jabbed, shouldn’t be long) , and then use the situation as an excuse to nationalize the trucking industry
more communism – their goal all along
We’re getting close to the stage where events will be in control. The truckers have done an amazing job of keeping peaceful, yet firm.
One ugly event caught on file, though and it could get kinetic.
I’m honestly not sure which way it will go, or even what will work out best.
The PTB will NOT be defeated here. They may make a temporary (strategic) retreat, that will make it look like a “win” for the truckers and the people. Then they’ll continue on another front.
Big picture…collapse is inevitable. To quote Thanos “dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.”
Hold the line is about much more than the Canadian Truckers. It is about the future of humanity.
Someone is coming, JTF?
While from the CBC, this make interesting reading. If they know what is coming and are ready…
I quote from another thread, with apologies to the author I have forgotten and can’t credit “Violence in the streets brings the police or the police bring the violence in the streets, either way the end is the same”.
Ottawa is a member of the strong cities network:
https://strongcitiesnetwork.org/en/
https://strongcitiesnetwork.org/en/cities/member-cities/
Peacekeepers are civilian, military and police personnel all working together. The roles and responsibilities of peacekeepers are evolving as peacekeeping mandates become more complex and multidimensional. Peacekeeping operations have developed from simply monitoring ceasefires to protecting civilians, disarming ex-combatants, protecting human rights, promoting the rule of law, supporting free and fair elections, minimizing the risk of land-mines and much more.
https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/our-peacekeepers
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—-=== totalitarian dictator by 2025
Ordo- The Ottawa Police Chief is Ex-UN Special Forces. Also FBI Special Unit trained. Sloly obviously didn’t graduate from the f’n TRUCKER CONVOY Special Unit. 🙂 Assclown that he is.
The Ottawa Police Chief is Ex-UN Special Forces.
I read a link about Sloly the other day, as he left a previous position for not getting promoted to chief. His words were citing his international connections and previous UN experience…..
I remember watching videos during the Jade Helm/15 that included huge numbers of U.N vehicles being railed around the country. Discounted as new stock inventory from production of the equipment here in US….
I don’t care what the claim, the goal is UN peacekeepers to replace civilian LEO…
annuit coeptus novus ordo seclorum <—=== AND to once again, comingle with gods
Yep… Its why the UN and the european union have been asking for an armed force outside of nato. Gorsh… why would they need a military??
Wantin’ ain’t gittin’. Blue helmet target practice, next up.
Despite many reactions blue colanders do NOT clash with copper/stainless/caste iron colanders or pans ect. in ones kitchen…..,just saying.
I will say colander holes say .308 or bigger in measurement better for only large noodles/shells ect.
Truck goes “Honk!Honk!”
Canadian Goose also goes “Honk!honk!”
Another tail gate party this weekend in my small border town. Going to block both lanes while we cook dogs, burgs and donuts again… All freedom loving patriots both sides of the border welcomed…
Will military intervene… can’t. To many border crossings to few soldiers. Besides, what would they do as they cannot shoot people engaged in nonviolent events. Any way the communists cut it the optics are against them.
BIG propaganda effort going on to discredit the truckers, from trucker leadership stealing gofundme monies, to connections with communists, everything imaginable. Have a contractor that sips at the coolaide some… I give him a few things to think about from the awesome information found here and other sites.
Truckers are here for freedom, for everyone.
HONK HONK…. winning….
Unreasonable force and fear is all governments have to keep the sheep in line. Of course they will use it. What the ramifications of that will be, is the question we are yet know the answer to.
If TPTB use the Military, I hope it turns out like Concord in 1775. The British wanted to destroy the Minutemen’s store of weapons at Concord and sent 1,000 Red Coats; Paul Revere took off to warn them; a battle was fought there and the British had to retreat back to Boston, losing three times as many men as the Patriots. It became the first shots of the Revolutionary War. I would hope that a Canada Border Trucking Attack would begin a gorilla war that spreads across the world and results in the death of the NWO, the deaths of all the Elite Oligarchs of the Cults of Death, all and their willing Minions.
Gretchen is a nasty name for a woman, even if she is a nasty woman.
Doubtful. They are using heavy police presence as I speak. The food tent, bouncy castles for the kids etc. has been dismantled by Police, OPP, Durham and Ottawa mostly, and those police now number 60 or so, fully occupying the intersection of Bank and Wellington. As long as police can continue to muscle in and divide and conquer, military force would not be required.
Redeploy the bounce house in another AO
Pro-tip for wannabe petty tyrants: Before you push the people to open rebellion, make sure you have disarmed them first.
*How many guns are in Canada? Individuals own more than 20 million guns, according to estimates based on police records, domestic firearm manufacturing and import and export data. But it’s impossible to know exactly.
“The Biden admin is also urging Canada to use federal powers to stop the disruption at the boarder.”
Border.
HAAAHAHAHA You’ll never stop us canukistaners…
No. They will continue working to starve the protesters of resources and do anything else to make their lives miserable. Make their efforts too painful to sustain.
Along with this, the CA and US MSM will ignore the story, while big tech will censor anyone talking about it.
Time is on the gov side. The protesters need to max the pain to a level where it can’t be ignored.
Wrong… Time is on the truckers side…
Maybe Trudeau will call in an airstrike. Nuke it (Ottawa) from above you know just to be safe!
It’s not like Trudeau cares about what happens to Canadians. He was fine with shortages from less goods coming in due to no unvaxxed truckers. Who cares if the Canadian minions starve…… not Trudeau!
That is a joke by the way for all the clueless any mouses who cannot figure out sarcasm.
They will.
There is no other move and this is out of Trudeau’s hands now.
It’s very likely that he’s honestly concerned about what’s going to happen to the kids and wants to wash his hands of it by giving them a heads up.
No… He doesn’t give a rats hiney about the welfare of these children, perhaps his own but thats it… Hes advocating children get vax’d and wear masks… so no… he doesn’t care, its a threat that these kids will be seized by social services and owned by the state.
You’re doing my bit.
yep… wanna cookie…
You are spreading your evil monkey boy everywhere!
If I were one of those truckers, I would be removing and hiding the air lines to the brakes… Ok go ahead and tow it…. What do you mean it won’t move…..
I don’t think so. The looks of that would make even more people wondering about what’s going on and thinking “wait a second that doesn’t seem appropriate”.
I am just wondering when the truckers will figure out that all these cargo containers piling up at ports and sometimes on side streets are the perfect weapons for a siege. Pick them up late night or early AM and drop them at busy intersections or on/off ramps and sit back and watch the fun come the rush of the morning commute.
I am sure the government would have the same success dealing with trying to move the containers, that they have doing everything else. My guess is most of them would be there weeks as the clowns in government are basically powerless when it comes to actually doing something. LOL
As an ex-railroad man, same thing with long strings of train cars blocking intersections; no long term damage to anything that way. As a pilot, same if navaids were to go dead from power outages around airports and pilots were excessively blinded in bad weather. If TPTB really took things to hell, use your imaginations.
Same with ports… no longshore means no ships berthed or unloaded/loaded. If unloaded but product can’t be moved out by….. truckers, then everything gets clogged very quickly and nothing moves because…. truckers.
Logistics, movement of product and materials is a massive undertaking in the daily running of a nation. In a war its an even bigger problem as there is an enemy that will seek to disrupt that element as much as possible. And folks… we ARE in a war.
The globalists are more dependent on logistics than the average person. THATS why they will attack the truckers to try and intimidate others into compliance. And we know you cannot comply your way out of communism.
Honk Honk…
“We find that the bridge collapsed due to structural failure caused by the excessive weight of the illegal concentration of trucks which took the bridge past it’s limit of structural tolerance.
We thank the military for its assistance in the ongoing recovery operations, and we call on the Biden and Trudeau Administrations to increase infrastructure spending as a matter of urgency.”
Questions: what would your position be if it were BLM or Antifa that were blockading the bridge and Ottawa as opposed to the truckers? (I would be against it, same as I was against all of their bullshit).
Do we really want blockades to influence government policy? What if it was a hundred Antifa cars doing the blockading wanting all criminals released? Would funding them be ok? What if BLM supporters blockade every interstate? Would that be ok?
If blockades are acceptable then blockades are acceptable. If blockades are acceptable, then we are in a de facto state of revolution and need to recognize it for what it is. And if anyone thinks that the revolution will end peacefully, then they are asleep at the wheel.
I am all for protest. But blockades are a different thing. Innocent businesses and people can be affected, even destroyed, by tiny minorities of people. That is not acceptable. That I agree with the cause of the truckers does not mean I agree with the blockade.
Want to protest? Go on strike and withhold your labor and services. But to deprive others of their livelihoods and freedom of movement via blockades is not right. It puts destructive power in the hands of tiny minorities.
If the truckers have the support they claim, let them strike. It will succeed if they have the support they claim. Let them protest.
I do not believe the blockades will work, but I guess we will see. I think it will be the ruin of many of those involved, as well as enormously destructive to a great many uninvolved. Some will be fined, some will be jailed. It is certain.
If it is a revolution then those involved need to be prepared for the violence that will ultimately be unleashed on them by the governments, as it will surely come. I hope not, but I expect it is being organised even as I type this.
That’s some damn good perspective, and a good example of why I pay attention 2U, Loop.
I toast a glass of scotch tonight, in salute. ~Cheers.
At this point, I support anything and anyone that stands up for freedom. No matter their tactics.
So if they hadn’t gotten involved, all would be fine for them, now and in the overseeable future?
I mean what’s your argument here.
Nice strawman. The blockades are the issue, not the protest. I clearly said I agreed with their general cause.
If society supports or allows blockades for this, then blockades must be acceptable for other protesters, no matter the cause they are fighting for. Blockades injure the innocent, and they can be implemented by a tiny minority. Do we want a system where protesters, protesting any cause whatsoever, and numbering however few, can blockade the citizenry? That are allowed to disrupt business small and large? That can destroy the livelihoods of innocent bystanders going about their daily business? If this was BLM or Antifa doing the blockading, people on this site would be outraged.
I believe that those doing the blockading will pay a price that may be very high indeed. That price will be beyond that paid for normal protesting. This quite possibly will go very bad for them, as a blockade far exceeds the norms of protest. If it is a revolution they – the truckers – are prepared for, and which their actions seem to indicate, let’s not pretend it will be peaceful, for it surely will not. I support peaceful protest, but not blockades, as that is a step too far in my opinion. If the support for their cause exists then they can accomplish it without blockades.
I am all for protest. But blockades are a different thing. Innocent businesses and people can be affected, even destroyed, by tiny minorities of people. That is not acceptable.
Yet that is precisely how the Government has been operating for 2 years. I see this as less a protest and more a give as good as you get/tit for tat demonstration.
This can only end in violence or submission. People either claim their rights and force the government to relent from their overreach or the government demonstrates that we are not free, but rather subjects.
Using BLM and Antifa as comparisons doesn’t pass the sniff test. Groups who do violence and destructions as an ends rather than a means cannot be negotiated with like this current protest.
Then pick whatever comparison you see fit. Say a group of peaceful vegans that want to ban meat entirely do the blockading. Is that ok with you?
That any group is able to blockade society is a road down which I would not like to travel. I agree, it will end in violence or submission. By blockading that bridge they have dramatically increased the odds of violence. I expect it was done with that intention.
I also expect that bridge to be cleared. How it is done will be very interesting. I read where $660 million in goods a day goes over that bridge. Something will give soon I expect.
I don’t understand you inability to discern the difference between protesting for your rights as opposed to protesting for your wants.
No one is limiting people from eating a vegan diet or advocating for your race (if you’re black).
They are however, in this case, claiming authority over your body, your movement, your basic human right to autonomy.
It is only a matter of perspective. BLM are convinced they are protesting for their rights. Many though not most of them used violent tactics, justifying them based similarly to the argument that you made for the truckers – tit for tat. I don’t understand how you don’t discern that. Society cannot allow violence and blockades, lest truly minority groups shut it down in perpetuity. I was 100% on board with the truckers til they blockaded the bridge. That is too far.
Nice bullshitting by you (shall I say “as usual”?)
A lot of things can injure the innocent, and can be implemented by a tiny minority. Like by the tiny group of governing folks, for example.
And I faintly remember that the current protests started as opposition to such, namely the vaxx mandate. So how does that put the trucker blockades now?
You follow me around like a bad smell.
The tiny minority you refer to are elected by the people. By and large people get what they want, and they are getting it good and hard. Apathy, wokeism, lack of personal responsibility, etc., have consequences, and we are seeing some of them now.
The fact is the govt was elected. Enough people wanted this crew in power such that they are in power. Instead of a few hundred truckers protesting, why are not 100,000s of thousands in the streets? Because they either do not give a shit, or are happy with what they have gotten. Slowly the worm may turn. But for now, the vast bulk want what they have or are not going to act. Same difference in the end.
I believe the blockade was a mistake. It was a bridge too far, and in the end will turn many people against the truckers who were gaining support. But what do I know. I usually am right about this stuff, but this is a hard one to predict.
…this is a hard one to predict.
I’m with you on that. I am very sympathetic to the cause, I just can’t help but notice that their event horizon is shortsighted to say the least. Lifting mandates won’t change anything if they claim there’s a new strain next month, this has to be about the end of government overreach in every form. Their tactics appear to be working quite well as evidenced by the establishment’s inability to restore the narrative and control the population through the traditional means of compliance and acceptance. They don’t- as far as I can see- have any long range strategy. Once they move you can bet this form of civil disobedience will be outlawed and planned for well in advance of any repeat use in the future. What do you think kill switches are all about?
What is happening is simply a struggle between authoritarian control of the masses against their will versus the assertion of individual rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Just my 2 cents.
I am not so sure about this being short sighted. Every revolution is a process. It is difficult to pinpoint the exact incident in historical events that eventually sway the majority to join the revolution. Every revolution begins with the majority on the side of the status quo, but after a series of confrontations, the majority sees how evil the status quo is, and join the revolution.
And again:
The fact that “the tiny minority you refer to are elected by the people” allows them to push a vaxx mandate too?
You cannot use an argument for one thing and then ignore it on another.
llpoh….
I don’t disagree with what you say here, as in most all of your posts, but I do disagree with :
‘The fact is the govt was elected.’
(S)elected.
‘Enough people wanted this crew in power such that they are in power’
Very true, just not from the voters, imo.
‘Instead of a few hundred truckers protesting, why are not 100,000s of thousands in the streets?’
I think you have already answered your own question:
‘Apathy, wokeism, lack of personal responsibility,’
I’m in HSF’s barn on this one….he gave his ‘two cents’, but it’s more like two bits.
‘this is a hard one to predict’
Only the itinerary, the final destination remains the same
Ordo – that is the system that is in place. It can be changed. It can be influenced. But the majority of people are happy with what they have. Sure, those elected were selected. But it was done with the general consent, or apathy, of the people.
If a few million of them took to the streets, things would change. But not necessarily for the better. A lot of change is for the worse. Without leadership and vision, change is often just one bad circumstance for another.
llpoh….
“A lot of change is for the worse.”
Chisel that in a rock.
The direction these governments are taking us will lead to a life I care not to live. That said, I’ll borrow your words, as I couldn’t agree more:
“Without leadership and vision, change is often just one bad circumstance for another.”
In person, I’ve always been the type to step right up to someone’s face when in firm disagreement. Drive-by downvotes are a bit cowardly, imo
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—=== this plan is in play, the fiat frog skins are being tossed into the fire, and the system that is in place. is getting changed
Your position is basically bullshit. Violence and force are a fact of life. They are ultimately what draws the line between freedom and slavery. Without the commitment of brave men to fight and die for freedom, tyrants would enslave the world.
Your analogy comparing the truckers to BLM and Antifa is also complete bullshit. BLM and Antifa are terrorists attempting to impose Marxist / Bolshevist doctrine on the rest of society by force. The truckers are defending the rights of citizens to have autonomy over their own bodies.
So do us a favor, and take you lies, and bullshit somewhere else, you are not fooling anyone here.
J dog – the only difference is the side you are on. BLM, at least a lot of them, believe they are fighting for freedom. As does Antifa. They are true believers, and the fact that you and I disagree with them is neither here nor there. A great many of those that supported BLM were not terrorists, were not violent, and were protesting peacefully. A significant minority of them were not peaceful, though. But a lot were. And they were not attempting to impose Marxism. Talk about spreading lies, you need to stop. The majority were protesting deaths at the hands of police and what they see as racism. They were largely wrong, but that was what the majority thought they were protesting.
The truckers are true believers, too. And I believe they are right in what they want. However, a civilised society cannot allow protesters to blockade. It is that simple. It allows any small group of people to shut down society based on their beliefs.
BLM and Antifa are all about reparations, free housing, free education, free everything. Not by peaceful means but by force and violence, the bullshit about mostly peaceful is just that bullshit. There is nothing free and only Marxist attempt to tell people there is. What they want is the steal from the productive and give to the unproductive. They want to rewrite history, tear down statues and teach the young CRT. Damn them all to hell, they are our enemies, and deserve our disdain and hatred.
There is that element. But don’t be sucked in to the narrative that they are all violent, as they are not. Not even most. The really violent element of BLM are too stupid to figure anything out themselves – they are just the ghetto rats along for the looting. Antifa is a different matter. But don’t think they do not believe they are doing the right thing, as they do. And that is my point – if you allow people who believe they are freedom fighters to blockade, it is a path to hell. Society cannot withstand that – small numbers of people cannot be allowed to damage the innocent. The truckers have crossed that line at the bridge. 100 truckers have blocked a bridge where 33% of the US/Canadian goods go across – $660 million a day in goods cross that bridge.
I can see why Oz is having a problem Llpoh, your head isn’t screwed on right. Fuk the goods, humanity will not offer their kids up for sacrifice, would you shit shot your kids…I think not. Some things are more important than (goods)…. like HUMANITY. GOOD LORD!
The blockade and postponement of some goods getting where they are going, is a minor inconvenience, when compared to the forcing of dangerous vaccines upon innocent people. And the right of bodily autonomy. To force someone to submit to a medical procedure against their will is a human rights violation under the Geneva Convention and is something people have been executed for. To force this danger and harm upon children is evil on a scale equalizing the crimes of the worlds worst despots.
With BLM and Antifa, the ones who are not violent, are supporting the ones who are. The so called peaceful protesters stayed and supported them even when the burning and looting was going on.
The truckers have not been violent in any way. In fact they have been the opposite. Do not try to equate some financial loss to the same corporations that are our enemy to the terrorism associated with the leftest riots.
It will be the end of the liberals in Canada.
Never let a crisis go to waste. This could be the trigger that allows Castro to take total control and ruthlessly put down the protesters (he called them insurrectionists). Remember Tiananmen Square. Of course, I doubt if all the military will go along, but enough could.