U.S. To Send More Wunderwaffen To Ukraine

Via Moon of Alabama

A new round of Wunderwaffen deliveries to Ukraine is taking place. It is unlikely to change the strategic or even operational picture of the war.

The U.S. and its ‘allies’ are engaged in a boil-the-frog operation in which they steadily increase the lethality and complexity of arms and other support they deliver to Ukraine. At some point in time this process will cross Russian red lines. That’s when it will become really interesting

The newest gimmick to be deployed is the Patriot air defense system likely soon to be followed by main battle tanks:

The U.S. is poised to approve sending a Patriot missile battery to Ukraine, finally agreeing to an urgent request from Ukrainian leaders desperate for more robust weapons to shoot down incoming Russian missiles, U.S. officials said Tuesday.The approval is likely to come later this week and could be announced as early as Thursday, said three officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision is not final and has not been made public. Two of the officials said the Patriot will come from Pentagon stocks and be moved from another country overseas.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pressed Western leaders as recently as Monday to provide more advanced weapons to help his country in its war with Russia. The Patriot would be the most advanced surface-to-air missile system the West has provided to Ukraine to help repel Russian aerial attacks.

During a video conference on Monday, Zelenskyy told host Germany and other leaders of the Group of Seven industrial powers that his country needed long-range missiles, modern tanks, artillery, missile batteries and other high-tech air defense systems to counter Russian attacks that have knocked out electricity and water supplies for millions of Ukrainians.

He acknowledged that, “Unfortunately, Russia still has an advantage in artillery and missiles.”

Well, yes, the artillery advantage the Russian army has in the current battle for Bakhmut is nine to one or even higher:

“For every artillery piece we have, they have nine,” said one soldier.

NATO no longer has the equipment and ammunition reserves to change that.

As for the Patriot, the “Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept on Target”: Training for them takes quite some time and unless Ukrainians have already been secretly trained on them for several months they will have to be deployed with NATO soldiers or ‘former’ soldiers to have any effect:

Asked about training, Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, said that in general the U.S. takes those needs into consideration when providing complicated weapons systems to Ukraine, such as the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, known as HIMARS. Currently U.S. forces are training Ukrainian troops on a number of systems, including the HIMARS, in other European countries, such as Germany.

The entire system, which includes a phased array radar, a control station, computers and generators, typically requires about 90 soldiers to operate and maintain, however only three soldiers are needed to actually fire it, according to the Army.

The HIMARS missiles, the previous Wunderwaffen, are now routinely shot down by Russian missile and air defense systems:

The anti-aircraft defence forces shot down two drones in the areas of Zhytlovka and Kremennaya (Lugansk People’s Republic).In addition, two HIMARS MLRS rounds were intercepted near Perovomaysk (Lugansk People’s Republic) and a HARM rocket near Makarovka (Kherson region).

The Patriot battery to be deployed to Ukraine is likely one of those that the U.S. currently has in Poland. A German Patriot unit will be deployed to replace it.

The phased array radar that Patriot systems use are good but they are also a weakness. They are visible from satellites with Synthetic Aperture Radar. As researchers have found some years ago:

Amid a busy few weeks of nuclear-related news, an Israeli researcher made a very surprising OSINT discovery that flew somewhat under the radar. As explained in a Medium article, Israeli GIS analyst Harel Dan noticed that when he accidentally adjusted the noise levels of the imagery produced from the SENTINEL-1 satellite constellation, a bunch of colored Xs suddenly appeared all over the globe.

SENTINEL-1’s C-band Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) operates at a centre frequency of 5.405 GHz, which conveniently sits within the range of the military frequency used for land, airborne, and naval radar systems (5.250-5.850 GHz)—including the AN/MPQ-53/65 phased array radars that form the backbone of a Patriot battery’s command and control system. Therefore, Harel correctly hypothesized that some of the Xs that appeared in the SENTINEL-1 images could be triggered by interference from Patriot radar systems.

Using this logic, he was able to use the Xs to pinpoint the locations of Patriot batteries in several Middle Eastern countries, including Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia.


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While SENTINEL-1 images of Ukraine will now likely be censored there is no need for Russia to use those. It has its own SAR systems:

Kondor, GRAU index 14F133, is a series of Earth imaging or military reconnaissance satellites developed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya for the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces which in 2015 became the Russian Space Forces and export customers.

Kondor satellites are equipped to carry either synthetic aperture radar or electro-optical imaging payloads, with the first satellite, and are launched using the Strela carrier rocket, developed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya from retired UR-100 NUTTKh missiles.

Process the SAR data, look for ‘noise’ crosses, program the coordinates into a number of suicide drones of Iranian design and send them off. This should take no more than an hour. The Russian Reconnaissance Strike Complex is designed to do that:

The Reconnaissance Strike Complex (разведивательно-ударный комплех-RYK) was designed for the coordinated employment of high-precision, long- range weapons linked to real-time intelligence data and precise targeting provided to a fused intelligence and fire-direction center. The RYK functioned at operational depths using surface-to-surface missile systems and aircraft-delivered “smart” munitions. The Reconnaissance Fire Complex (разведивательно-огновой комплех ROK) was the tactical equivalent.

The Reconnaissance Fire System (ROS) is designed to detect, engage and destroy enemy targets in near-real time within the range of tactical units (maneuver battalion and brigade with supporting artillery). On occasion, an artillery brigade or helicopter gunship brigade (a tactical/operational formation) could conduct ROS missions. However, Army Corps and Army Group units normally conduct RYS missions-engaging, detecting and destroying operational targets in near-real time using longer-range reconnaissance and strike systems (especially SSM and aviation systems).

Will the Patriot radar move during the Russian reaction time interval between reconnaissance and strike? I have my doubts.

Wikipedia says that a Patriot battery costs about $1 billion. The radar is the thing that makes these so expensive. Each of its missile costs about $3 million. The suicide drones are maybe $10,000 each. Now do the math …

The most modern missiles Patriot system use have a maximum reach of some 60 kilometer (37 miles). One battery can thus cover a bubble with a 120 kilometer diameter. It may be good for Kiev or Odessa but is nothing that will solve the general military problem Ukraine has.

The Russian forces are superior in technology, personnel and fire power. There is no chance, and never has been, for Ukraine to win that match. No Wunderwaffen, British marines with sea drones or U.S. Patriot systems, will change those basic facts.

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16 Comments
Bill589
Bill589
December 14, 2022 8:00 pm

DC ignores the invasion of their own country and spends billions of Americans’ money defending a corrupt foreign country from invasion. I do not think this fits their job description. I’m pretty sure it is not even ‘Americans first’.
From what I get from DC’s job descriptions, DC serves Americans. Period. I hope we remind them of that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bill589
December 14, 2022 8:12 pm

They are serving Americans. Haven’t you seen the blue & yellow flags and the virtue signaling support for Ukraine?
Americans were told they should want this because evil Putler, so Americans dutifully and mindlessly want this.

Iggy
Iggy
  Anonymous
December 14, 2022 8:30 pm

Not this guy.I hate our government and all their fucking bullshit.

Sionnach Liath
Sionnach Liath
  Iggy
December 15, 2022 8:33 am

Basically there is nothing to hate since we no longer have a government. We should all be working on improving our self government. Remember Heinlein.

Lurker
Lurker
  Sionnach Liath
December 15, 2022 10:52 am

Yep, no-one is running the ship of state. It’s just floundering around rudderless under its own momentum.

Yahsure
Yahsure
  Bill589
December 14, 2022 9:43 pm

These criminals don’t give a shit what anyone thinks. Most Americans don’t give a shit about the truth either.

Saxons Wrath
Saxons Wrath
  Bill589
December 14, 2022 9:47 pm

Yup, you do that….

Go ahead and remind DC that (((they))) serve Americans….

Vote Harder, next and every time…

I’ll still be here, prepping and reloading, when you’re done, and realize it doesn’t make any difference….and DC will still be laughing their asses off at you!!

Bill589
Bill589
  Saxons Wrath
December 15, 2022 3:37 pm

The reminding I’m talking about has to do with guns. You can stay home “prepping and reloading”, and that is better than nothing. But I think Americans have to take more action if we are going to save/restore our Republic.

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
December 14, 2022 9:57 pm

The mistake everyone is making is they think these weapons systems are intended to help Ukraine. They are really intended to line the pockets of our defense contractors.

The more Russia destroys, the greater the profits for our military-industrial complex.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Trapped in Portlandia
December 14, 2022 10:51 pm

Except that Russia destroying PATRIOT batteries with cheap drones (+ satellite data) destroys the appeal of PATRIOTs. Same thing with HIMARS. Sales of US weaponry to other countries will drop even as the US spends more on ineffective systems.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
December 14, 2022 11:25 pm

Then we’ll just GIVE the damn things away.

Ginger
Ginger
  Anonymous
December 15, 2022 7:44 am

Kind of like SNAP cards.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
December 16, 2022 10:23 am

But Iska, that’s the point. MIC doesn’t make money by continually producing stuff that works, they make money on contracts to design and build the new stuff — regardless of whether it works.

Paleocon
Paleocon
  Trapped in Portlandia
December 15, 2022 6:48 am

All sides of the war are profiting. This is why it will go on until they can’t print money anymore.

Walter
Walter
December 14, 2022 11:50 pm

Ukraine, the word, essentially means borderland or over there. A cursory look at history in the region supports the idea. The US and our vassals in NATO performed some evil gymnastics getting things to this pass. The Russians tried for many years to get NATO to adhere to agreements made in the 1990s, through diplomatic efforts and finally warnings. The US and NATO persisted in turning a borderland into the tip of the western military spear.

Our leadership no more represents the people of this nation than the Chinese government represents the Chinese people. The American left hates Russia only because they quit communism under the duress of previous (far better) generations of western leadership.

It’s looking like whomever is running the show here is going to get us into an all out war with Russia which could easily lead to a world war or a nuclear exchange. For what, exactly?

Jdog
Jdog
December 16, 2022 5:31 pm

Who would have thought that in the 21st century, the USA would be sponsoring real life NAZI’s? That in itself proves the USA is no longer what people believe it is….