One Year In Hell

Hat tip to  ‘Euddolen ap Afallach’ (weird name!) who posted this article link in the “A time of sorrow” thread.  It is the story of one man surviving the war in Bosnia.  A great story about the need to prep.  You probably know most of what he says … but, his story is real life, not theoretical, and  hopefully you’ll find some new gems.  For example,  did you know Bic lighters are a really hot commodity in times of dire need?  The English is a bit rough as it was translated from French (by a Russian), and then from French to English.  The highlighted parts (in blue) are mine.

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I am from Bosnia. You know, between 1992 and 1995, it was hell. For one year, I lived and survived in a city with 6,000 people without water, electricity, gasoline, medical help, civil defense, distribution service, any kind of traditional service or centralized rule.

Our city was blockaded by the army; and for one year, life in the city turned into total crap. We had no army, no police. We only had armed groups; those armed protected their homes and families.

When it all started, some of us were better prepared. But most of the neighbors’ families had enough food only for a few days. Some had pistols; a few had AK-47s or shotguns.

After a month or two, gangs started operating, destroying everything. Hospitals, for example, turned into slaughterhouses. There was no more police. About 80 percent of the hospital staff were gone. I got lucky. My family at the time was fairly large (15 people in a large house, six pistols, three AKs), and we survived (most of us, at least).

The Americans dropped MREs every 10 days to help blockaded cities. This was never enough. Some — very few — had gardens. It took three months for the first rumors to spread of men dying from hunger and cold. We removed all the doors, the window frames from abandoned houses, ripped up the floors and burned the furniture for heat. Many died from diseases, especially from the water (two from my own family). We drank mostly rainwater, ate pigeons and even rats.

Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers.

Arms, ammunition, candles, lighters, antibiotics, gasoline, batteries and food. We fought for these things like animals. In these situations, it all changes. Men become monsters. It was disgusting.

Strength was in numbers. A man living alone getting killed and robbed would be just a matter of time, even if he was armed.

Today, me and my family are well-prepared, I am well-armed. I have experience.

It does not matter what will happen: an earthquake, a war, a tsunami, aliens, terrorists, economic collapse, uprising. The important part is that something will happen.

Here’s my experience: You can’t make it on your own. Don’t stay apart from your family; prepare together, choose reliable friends.

1. How to move safely in a city

The city was divided into communities along streets. Our street (15 to 20 homes) had patrols (five armed men every week) to watch for gangs and for our enemies.

All the exchanges occurred in the street. About 5 kilometers away was an entire street for trading, all well-organized; but going there was too dangerous because of the snipers. You could also get robbed by bandits. I only went there twice, when I needed something really rare (list of medicine, mainly antibiotics, of the French original of the texts).

Nobody used automobiles in the city: The streets were blocked by wreckage and by abandoned cars. Gasoline was very expensive. If one needed to go somewhere, that was done at night. Never travel alone or in groups that were too big — always two to three men. All armed, travel swift, in the shadows, cross streets through ruins, not along open streets.

There were many gangs 10 to 15 men strong, some as large as 50 men. But there were also many normal men, like you and me, fathers and grandfathers, who killed and robbed. There were no “good” and “bad” men. Most were in the middle and ready for the worst.

2. What about wood? Your home city is surrounded by woods; why did you burn doors and furniture?

There were not that many woods around the city. It was very beautiful — restaurants, cinemas, schools, even an airport. Every tree in the city and in the city park was cut down for fuel in the first two months.

Without electricity for cooking and heat, we burned anything that burned. Furniture, doors, flooring: That wood burns swiftly. We had no suburbs or suburban farms. The enemy was in the suburbs. We were surrounded. Even in the city you never knew who was the enemy at any given point.

3. What knowledge was useful to you in that period?

To imagine the situation a bit better, you should know it was practically a return to the Stone Age.

For example, I had a container of cooking gas. But I did not use it for heat. That would be too expensive! I attached a nozzle to it I made myself and used to fill lighters. Lighters were precious.

If a man brought an empty lighter, I would fill it; and he would give me a tin of food or a candle.

I was a paramedic. In these conditions, my knowledge was my wealth. Be curious and skilled. In these conditions, the ability to fix things is more valuable than gold.

Items and supplies will inevitably run out, but your skills will keep you fed.

I wish to say this: Learn to fix things, shoes or people.

My neighbor, for example, knew how to make kerosene for lamps. He never went hungry.

4. If you had three months to prepare now, what would you do?

Three months? Run away from the country? (joking)

Today, I know everything can collapse really fast. I have a stockpile of food, hygiene items, batteries — enough to last me for six months.

I live in a very secure flat and own a home with a shelter in a village 5 kilometers away. Another six-month supply there, too. That’s a small village; most people there are well-prepared. The war had taught them.

I have four weapons and 2,000 rounds for each.

I have a garden and have learned gardening. Also, I have a good instinct. You know, when everyone around you keeps telling you it’ll all be fine, but I know it will all collapse.

I have strength to do what I need to protect my family. Because when it all collapses, you must be ready to do “bad” things to keep your children alive and protect your family.

Surviving on your own is practically impossible. (That’s what I think.) Even you’re armed and ready, if you’re alone, you’ll die. I have seen that happen many times.

Families and groups, well-prepared, with skills and knowledge in various fields: That’s much better.

5. What should you stockpile?

That depends. If you plan to live by theft, all you need is weapons and ammo. Lots of ammo.

If not, more food, hygiene items, batteries, accumulators, little trading items (knives, lighters, flints, soap). Also, alcohol of a type that keeps well. The cheapest whiskey is a good trading item.

Many people died from insufficient hygiene. You’ll need simple items in great amounts. For example, garbage bags. Lots of them. And toilet papers. Non-reusable dishes and cups: You’ll need lots of them. I know that because we didn’t have any at all.

As for me, a supply of hygiene items is perhaps more important than food. You can shoot a pigeon. You can find a plant to eat. You can’t find or shoot any disinfectant.

Disinfectant, detergents, bleach, soap, gloves, masks.

First aid skills, washing wounds and burns. Perhaps you will find a doctor and will not be able to pay him.

Learn to use antibiotics. It’s good to have a stockpile of them.

You should choose the simplest weapons. I carry a Glock .45. I like it, but it’s a rare gun here. So I have two TT pistols, too. (Everyone has them and ammo is common.)

I don’t like Kalashnikov’s, but again, same story. Everyone has them; so do I.

You must own small, unnoticeable items. For example, a generator is good, but 1,000 BIC lighters are better. A generator will attract attention if there’s any trouble, but 1,000 lighters are compact, cheap and can always be traded.

We usually collected rainwater into four large barrels and then boiled it. There was a small river, but the water in it became very dirty very fast.

It’s also important to have containers for water: barrels and buckets.

6. Were gold and silver useful?

Yes. I personally traded all the gold in the house for ammunition.

Sometimes, we got our hands on money: dollars and Deutschmarks. We bought some things for them, but this was rare and prices were astronomical. For example, a can of beans cost $30 to $40. The local money quickly became worthless. Everything we needed we traded for through barter.

7. Was salt expensive?

Yes, but coffee and cigarettes were even more expensive. I had lots of alcohol and traded it without problems. Alcohol consumption grew over 10 times as compared to peacetime. Perhaps today, it’s more useful to keep a stock of cigarettes, lighters and batteries. They take up less space.

At this time, I was not a survivalist. We had no time to prepare — several days before the shit hit the fan. The politicians kept repeating over the TV that everything was going according to plan, there’s no reason to be concerned. When the sky fell on our heads, we took what we could.

8. Was it difficult to purchase firearms? What did you trade for arms and ammunition?

After the war, we had guns in every house. The police confiscated lots of guns at the beginning of the war. But most of them we hid. Now I have one legal gun that I have a license for. Under the law, that’s called a temporary collection. If there is unrest, the government will seize all the registered guns. Never forget that.

You know, there are many people who have one legal gun, but also illegal guns if that one gets seized. If you have good trade goods, you might be able to get a gun in a tough situation. But remember, the most difficult time is the first days, and perhaps you won’t have enough time to find a weapon to protect your family. To be disarmed in a time of chaos and panic is a bad idea.

In my case, there was a man who needed a car battery for his radio. He had shotguns. I traded the accumulator for both of them. Sometimes, I traded ammunition for food, and a few weeks later traded food for ammunition. Never did the trade at home, never in great amounts.

Few people knew how much and what I keep at home.

The most important thing is to keep as many things as possible in terms of space and money. Eventually, you’ll understand what is more valuable.

Correction: I’ll always value weapons and ammunition the most. Second? Maybe gas masks and filters.

9. What about security?

Our defenses were very primitive. Again, we weren’t ready, and we used what we could. The windows were shattered, and the roofs in a horrible state after the bombings. The windows were blocked — some with sandbags, others with rocks.

I blocked the fence gate with wreckage and garbage, and used a ladder to get across the wall. When I came home, I asked someone inside to pass over the ladder. We had a fellow on our street that completely barricaded himself in his house. He broke a hole in the wall, creating a passage for himself into the ruins of the neighbor’s house — a sort of secret entrance.

Maybe this would seem strange, but the most protected houses were looted and destroyed first. In my area of the city, there were beautiful houses with walls, dogs, alarms and barred windows. People attacked them first. Some held out; others didn’t. It all depended how many hands and guns they had inside.

I think defense is very important, but it must be carried out unobtrusively. If you are in a city and SHTF comes, you need a simple, non-flashy place, with lots of guns and ammo.

How much ammo? As much as possible.

Make your house as unattractive as you can.

Right now, I own a steel door, but that’s just against the first wave of chaos. After that passes, I will leave the city to rejoin a larger group of people, my friends and family.

There were some situations during the war. There’s no need for details, but we always had superior firepower and a brick wall on our side.

We also constantly kept someone watching the streets. Quality organization is paramount in case of gang attacks.

Shooting was constantly heard in the city.

Our perimeter was defended primitively. All the exits were barricaded and had little firing slits. Inside we had at least five family members ready for battle at any time and one man in the street, hidden in a shelter.

We stayed home through the day to avoid sniper fire.

At first, the weak perish. Then, the rest fight.

During the day, the streets were practically empty due to sniper fire. Defenses were oriented toward short-range combat alone. Many died if they went out to gather information, for example. It’s important to remember we had no information, no radio, no TV — only rumors and nothing else.

There was no organized army; every man fought. We had no choice. Everybody was armed, ready to defend themselves.

You should not wear quality items in the city; someone will murder you and take them. Don’t even carry a “pretty” long arm, it will attract attention.

Let me tell you something: If SHTF starts tomorrow, I’ll be humble. I’ll look like everyone else. Desperate, fearful. Maybe I’ll even shout and cry a little bit.

Pretty clothing is excluded altogether. I will not go out in my new tactical outfit to shout: “I have come! You’re doomed, bad guys!” No, I’ll stay aside, well-armed, well-prepared, waiting and evaluating my possibilities, with my best friend or brother.

Super-defenses, super-guns are meaningless. If people think they should steal your things, that you’re profitable, they will. It’s only a question of time and the amount of guns and hands.

10. How was the situation with toilets?

We used shovels and a patch of earth near the house. Does it seem dirty? It was. We washed with rainwater or in the river, but most of the time the latter was too dangerous. We had no toilet paper; and if we had any, I would have traded it away.

It was a “dirty” business.

Let me give you a piece of advice: You need guns and ammo first — and second, everything else. Literally everything! All depends on the space and money you have.

If you forget something, there will always be someone to trade with for it. But if you forget weapons and ammo, there will be no access to trading for you.

I don’t think big families are extra mouths. Big families means both more guns and strength — and from there, everyone prepares on his own.

11. How did people treat the sick and the injured?

Most injuries were from gunfire. Without a specialist and without equipment, if an injured man found a doctor somewhere, he had about a 30 percent chance of survival.

It ain’t the movie. People died. Many died from infections of superficial wounds. I had antibiotics for three to four uses — for the family, of course.

People died foolishly quite often. Simple diarrhea will kill you in a few days without medicine, with limited amounts of water.

There were many skin diseases and food poisonings… nothing to it.

Many used local plants and pure alcohol — enough for the short-term, but useless in the long term.

Hygiene is very important, as well as having as much medicine as possible — especially antibiotics ….  and pine needle tea.

SOURCE: https://personalliberty.com

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Anonymous
Anonymous
January 17, 2023 8:27 am

the original author i am pretty sure was a guy called Selco, pretty well known. he’s written other stuff as well. worth reading.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
  Anonymous
January 17, 2023 8:59 am

Selco sells a book he wrote about his experience.
No mention of it..

Defector
Defector
  Anonymous
January 17, 2023 3:00 pm

Yes. I remember his aticles. SHTFPLAN perhaps.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Defector
January 17, 2023 4:32 pm

Daisy Luther’s site has always featured him. And Mac Slavo, too, probably.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Anonymous
January 17, 2023 7:40 pm

Also 24hrgold.com

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Defector
January 17, 2023 5:22 pm

Bad water will kill more people than all the bad people combined.
Have a way to purify ANY water available. I have used LifeStraws
for years hunting everywhere. They are about $15 each bought in packs.
Have a hand held pump filter too. Have Bic lighters stashed everywhere
in all your gear. If you hydrated and warm, you can survive for 3 weeks
without food.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Colorado Artist
January 18, 2023 3:22 am

i’ve survived for longer than 3 weeks without food, having as you say, plenty of clean water and good shelter. can’t recommend it to anyone as something to do, but in the end it did leave an incontrovertible lesson on the resilience of a human being.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 17, 2023 8:29 am

This is Selco, verbatim

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 17, 2023 8:38 am

But, .. but … anarchy now!

Winchester
Winchester
January 17, 2023 9:42 am

Okay so lots of guns/ammo, stockpile of food/hygiene items/etc, and bunker down…got it!

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
January 17, 2023 9:55 am

Get out of the cities and suburbs before it starts

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 17, 2023 9:59 am

Selco:

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/author/selc0/

About

The SHTF Anthology Survival Lessons from the Balkan Wars, by Selco:
https://ia801005.us.archive.org/34/items/TheSHTFAnthologySelco/The%20SHTF%20Anthology%20-%20Selco.pdf

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
January 17, 2023 10:40 am

I would not call a population of 6K a city. That’s a town. Here it’s rural. The cities here would be slaughter houses because there is no homogony in them. All fractured with immigrants who don’t speak English, very violent blacks and whatnot.

But he is right that people alone in both cities and rural areas sooner or later would be overrun. That’s not safe either. A semi-rural area might be defensible if it’s even somewhat prepared.

Matt Bracken wrote an essay about what might happen here in an economic collapse situation, (which I think is much more likely than nuclear war). We are constantly teetering on the edge of that right this minute. Once the BRICS de-dollarize completely we are doomed.

Here is just a snippet from that essay:

Nor will violent conflict be only between the inhabitants of the urban areas and the suburbs. The international record of conflict in tri-ethnic cities is grim, making the old bi-racial dichotomy formerly seen in America seem stable by comparison. In tri-ethnic cities the perceived balance of power is constantly shifting, with each side in turn feeling outnumbered and outmuscled. Temporary truces, betrayals and new alliances follow in rapid succession, removing any lingering sense of social cohesion.

The former Yugoslavia, with its Catholic, Orthodox and Muslim divisions, comes starkly to mind. The Lebanese Civil War between the Christians, Sunnis, Shiites and Druze raged across Beirut (at one time known as “The Paris of the Middle East”) for fifteen brutal years. Once a city turns on itself and becomes a runaway engine of self-destruction, it can be difficult to impossible to switch off the process and return to normal pre-conflict life. It’s not inconceivable that the United States could produce a dozen Sarajevos or Beiruts, primarily across racial instead of religious divides.

Vehicle traffic by non-minority suburban commuters through adjoining minority areas will virtually halt, wrecking what is left of the local economy. Businesses will not open because employees will not be able to travel to work safely. Businesses in minority areas, needless to say, will be looted. “Gentrified” enclaves of affluent suburbanites within or near the urban zones will suffer repeated attacks, until their inhabitants flee.

Radically disaffected minorities will hold critical infrastructure corridors through their areas hostage against the greater society. Highways, railroad tracks, pipe and power lines will all be under constant threat, or may be cut in planned or unplanned acts of raging against “the system.” As long as security in the urban areas cannot be restored, these corridors will be under threat. Even airports will not be immune. Many of them have been absorbed into urban areas, and aircraft will come under sporadic fire while taking off and landing.

In the absence of fresh targets of value blundering into their areas, and still out of food, MUYs will begin to forage beyond their desolated home neighborhoods and into suburban borderlands. “Safe” supermarkets and other stores will be robbed in brazen commando-like gang attacks. Carjackings and home invasions will proliferate madly. As I have discussed in my essay “The Civil War Two Cube,” so-called “transitional” and mixed-ethnic areas will suffer the worst violence. These neighborhoods will become utterly chaotic killing zones, with little or no help coming from the overstretched police, who will be trying to rest up for their next shift on riot squad duty, if they have not already deserted their posts to take care of their own families.

When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2926391/posts

Most of the essay focuses on defense and offense (yes offense) and not survival supplies. I can’t find where he defines what an MUY is but if they riot and start flash mobs. What do you think they are?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
January 17, 2023 10:48 am

MUY peligroso! Esta cayendo candela!

flash
flash
  Mary Christine
January 17, 2023 10:49 am

Minority Urban Youth

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
January 17, 2023 11:22 pm

depending on where you live, a town with a population under 5K is likely safe to be in. especially if there is 5-10 or more miles from the next small town. near a city will complicate things.

brian
brian
January 17, 2023 11:04 am

When we were living in Malta in 1990 I met a guy from Croatia. What this article states is pretty much the same exact stories. He told me he used to be fairly wealthy, had a nice house in the city. War broke out and he fled to his country villa thinking the war would not reach him there. It did. Said that explosions were going off alongside the road as they fled and the last bridge out of the country was blown shortly after they’d crossed it. He got out with his wife, two children and the car, nothing else.

I’d seen cars in Mata driving around with bullet holes in them and thought it was really weird. This guy I met, pulled the pieces together. Malta at the time was a place anyone could get to without a visa. A place to stay safely while you made arraignments to get somewhere else.

Funny thing is that he said before 90 the people in bosbia/croatia all got along. It was when the cia agents showed up causing divisions is when the shooting started. I was getting woken up at this point.

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  brian
January 17, 2023 12:07 pm

I have been doing a lot of reading recently. Seems everything evil starts with the CIA. They really blended with the Mafia and Global Banksters. I worked with a Yugoslavian guy in 1978-79. He told me when Tito died, there would be war as the Serbians were traitors to the Croatians in past history. He would say, we will kill all them Serbians when Tito dies. Ends up, all the Serbians, Bosnian, and Croatians felt the same way and wanted to kill each other.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  brian
January 17, 2023 12:16 pm

The Clintoons brought their at the time buddies, Al Qaeda into Jugoslobovia to fight the Serbs and run them out of Kosovo which allowed the Kosovar Muslim mafia to replace the Sicilian Pizza Connection and run Afghan heroin into Europe and the US.

GNL
GNL
January 17, 2023 12:31 pm

Pine needle tea? With or without the bird shit?

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
January 17, 2023 12:42 pm

“At first, the weak perish. Then, the rest fight”
That there’s a gem!

Wildfire Watcher
Wildfire Watcher
January 17, 2023 2:47 pm

Takeaway… skills, calories, hygiene, projectiles, and good sense. Interesting read.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Wildfire Watcher
January 17, 2023 4:34 pm

And protein. Not all calories are created equal, unless you’re freezing – then, anything goes. I learned that when I first became homeless at age 13.

James
James
January 17, 2023 5:49 pm

This is classic Selco for sure,a lot of good ideas from someone who survived the SHTF scenario.

I remember one of his reads talked about how each had a little good thing to help em thru,one guy was chocolate/another reading material/another bathing the best he could,just little mental crutches to help carry one thru.

I have been a firm believer in Bics by the 50 count and after reading realized has spread a lot in not only my gear/vehicles but many friends,hence,just ordered another 2 50 count off of the bay.

As shown in photo things can get very bad quickly!

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Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  James
January 17, 2023 7:47 pm

I keep a few boxes of “farmer matches” on hand but now you got me all jumpy so I will have to get some BICs. I will put them in the .50 cal ammo can filled with assorted batteries.

James
James
  Harrington Richardson
January 17, 2023 8:35 pm

” I will put them in the .50 cal ammo can filled with assorted batteries.”

Wrong answer!

A few there,fine,after all packs/vehicles ect. have 2-3 each!

I keep the batteries spread a bit so if one goes bad and melts down does not affect a lot of other potentially,that’s just me.I have a boatloead of button type also for,well…..,items,plus a lot of buis/glass if items no longer “co-operate”.

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These days the best I can find a 50 rack of full size is about 40 with shipping.Save the flints when they do empty,usually a lot of life and fit the Zippo’s just fine!

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
January 17, 2023 6:33 pm

This scenario paints a scary picture.
Yet the scenario in this story, bad as it was, is not as bad as the scenario of say, losing all power via sabatoge or a massive CME.

Once one ponders the reality of life with no electricity, that is pondering some serious shit.

Our entire modern system collapses without electricity.

Think of how instantly difficult many tasks will become without power?

–Thanks for the highlight Stucky!

ASIG
ASIG
January 17, 2023 10:36 pm

“The politicians kept repeating over the TV that everything was going according to plan, there’s no reason to be concerned.”

When politicians start saying there’s nothing to worry about, everything is fine. That’s when you need to start worrying.

card802
card802
January 18, 2023 7:18 am

Humbling stuff, we have been too lucky in this country.

The above reminds me of another author I read years ago about the 2001 economic collapse in Argentina, and how he and his family survived the city, the gangs, the shootings, the hunger.

Fernando “Ferfal” Aguirre, Surviving the Economic Collapse, pretty good book, he also started his own blog on what happened and how to be prepared.

What I found most interesting was most of the people I talk to or read, either want, or have a bug out location far away from people.
Ferfal also said those were the first locations attacked, he preferred the same method as Euddolen ap Afallach, stay home, blend in, don’t draw attention, have a group of family and friends working together.

https://ferfal.blogspot.com