This Time It’s Different

Guest Post by Douglas MacGregor

Neither we nor our allies are prepared to fight all-out war with Russia, regionally or globally.

This Time It’s Different

Until it decided to confront Moscow with an existential military threat in Ukraine, Washington confined the use of American military power to conflicts that Americans could afford to lose, wars with weak opponents in the developing world from Saigon to Baghdad that did not present an existential threat to U.S. forces or American territory. This time—a proxy war with Russia—is different.

Contrary to early Beltway hopes and expectations, Russia neither collapsed internally nor capitulated to the collective West’s demands for regime change in Moscow. Washington underestimated Russia’s societal cohesion, its latent military potential, and its relative immunity to Western economic sanctions.

As a result, Washington’s proxy war against Russia is failing. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was unusually candid about the situation in Ukraine when he told the allies in Germany at Ramstein Air Base on January 20, “We have a window of opportunity here, between now and the spring,” admitting, “That’s not a long time.”

Alexei Arestovich, President Zelensky’s recently fired advisor and unofficial “Spinmeister,” was more direct. He expressed his own doubts that Ukraine can win its war with Russia and he now questions whether Ukraine will even survive the war. Ukrainian lossesat least 150,000 dead including 35,000 missing in action and presumed dead—have fatally weakened Ukrainian forces resulting in a fragile Ukrainian defensive posture that will likely shatter under the crushing weight of attacking Russian forces in the next few weeks.

Ukraine’s materiel losses are equally severe. These include thousands of tanks and armored infantry fighting vehicles, artillery systems, air defense platforms, and weapons of all calibers. These totals include the equivalent of seven years of Javelin missile production. In a setting where Russian artillery systems can fire nearly 60,000 rounds of all types—rockets, missiles, drones, and hard-shell ammunition—a day, Ukrainian forces are hard-pressed to answer these Russian salvos with 6,000 rounds daily. New platform and ammunition packages for Ukraine may enrich the Washington community, but they cannot change these conditions.

Predictably, Washington’s frustration with the collective West’s failure to stem the tide of Ukrainian defeat is growing. In fact, the frustration is rapidly giving way to desperation.

Michael Rubin, a former Bush appointee and avid supporter of America’s permanent conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan, vented his frustration in a 1945 article asserting that, “if the world allows Russia to remain a unitary state, and if it allows Putinism to survive Putin, then, Ukraine should be allowed to maintain its own nuclear deterrence, whether it joins NATO or not.” On its face, the suggestion is reckless, but the statement does accurately reflect the anxiety in Washington circles that Ukrainian defeat is inevitable.

NATO’s members were never strongly united behind Washington’s crusade to fatally weaken Russia. The governments of Hungary and Croatia are simply acknowledging the wider European public’s opposition to war with Russia and lack of support for Washington’s desire to postpone Ukraine’s foreseeable defeat.

Though sympathetic to the Ukrainian people, Berlin did not support all-out war with Russia on Ukraine’s behalf. Now, Germans are also uneasy with the catastrophic condition of the German armed forces.

Retired German Air Force General (four-star equivalent) Harald Kujat, former chairman of the NATO Military Committee, severely criticized Berlin for allowing Washington to railroad Germany into conflict with Russia, noting that several decades of German political leaders actively disarmed Germany and thus deprived Berlin of authority or credibility in Europe. Though actively suppressed by the German government and media, his comments are resonating strongly with the German electorate.

The blunt fact is that in its efforts to secure victory in its proxy war with Russia, Washington ignores historical reality. From the 13th century onward, Ukraine was a region dominated by larger, more powerful national powers, whether Lithuanian, Polish, Swedish, Austrian, or Russian.

In the aftermath of the First World War, abortive Polish designs for an independent Ukrainian State were conceived to weaken Bolshevik Russia. Today, Russia is not communist, nor does Moscow seek the destruction of the Polish State as Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin, and their followers did in 1920.

So where is Washington headed with its proxy war against Russia? The question deserves an answer.

On Sunday December 7, 1941, U.S. Ambassador Averell Harriman was with Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill having dinner at Churchill’s home when the BBC broadcast the news that the Japanese had attacked the U.S. Naval Base at Pearl Harbor. Harriman was visibly shocked. He simply repeated the words, “The Japanese have raided Pearl Harbor.”

Harriman need not have been surprised. The Roosevelt administration had practically done everything in its power to goad Tokyo into attacking U.S. forces in the Pacific with a series of hostile policy decisions culminating in Washington’s oil embargo during the summer of 1941.

In the Second World War, Washington was lucky with timing and allies. This time it’s different. Washington and its NATO allies are advocating a full-blown war against Russia, the devastation and breakup of the Russian Federation, as well as the destruction of millions of lives in Russia and Ukraine.

Washington emotes. Washington does not think, and it is also overtly hostile to empiricism and truth. Neither we nor our allies are prepared to fight all-out war with Russia, regionally or globally. The point is, if war breaks out between Russia and the United States, Americans should not be surprised. The Biden administration and its bipartisan supporters in Washington are doing all they possibly can to make it happen.

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64 Comments
Botched_Lobotomy
Botched_Lobotomy
January 27, 2023 10:05 am

I presume it will be illegal in the West to root for Russia and China in any war against Globohomo. If there was ever going to be a revolution against the scum infesting DC, during a global war that the US cannot win would probably be a good time.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
January 27, 2023 10:18 am

If/when DC loses whatever it is they’re fighting Russia for, will they admit it or will they stand up and declare victory thus duping the dupes once again?

The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
January 27, 2023 10:20 am

People in the US don’t get Russia’s perception of warfare, it’s like the difference between US football and actual football (what most in the US call soccer). The US is all about “the big play” and rushing forward to score, relentlessly forward, just like the NFL. Russia is playing like ‘soccer’, ebb and flow, constant motion, looking for the weak points patiently and exploiting them without putting themselves at great risk. Very different style, very different outcomes.

Paleocon
Paleocon
  The Duke of New York
January 27, 2023 1:12 pm

Like up to 25 million dead fighting Nazis. But they prevailed.

kiwi
kiwi
  Paleocon
January 27, 2023 2:26 pm

if you have,nt realised yet the “nazi,s” were,nt the problem

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Paleocon
January 27, 2023 3:10 pm

Stalin practiced by killing 7 to 10 million kulaks for the hell of it.

B_MC
B_MC
January 27, 2023 10:24 am

Denmark’s gearing up for the fight….

Denmark calls for mandatory military service for women

Denmark plans compulsory military conscription for women, as the Nordic country seeks to significantly boost the size of its armed forces.

The move can help Denmark meet its requirements under its Nato membership.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.straitstimes.com%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fdenmark-calls-for-mandatory-military-service-for-women

49%mfer
49%mfer
  B_MC
January 27, 2023 2:41 pm

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World War Zoo
World War Zoo
  49%mfer
January 27, 2023 11:29 pm

I hope she can make the long, cold swim back west to Copenhagen. At night.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  B_MC
January 27, 2023 9:31 pm

Sounds cheesy to me. Maybe they get an extra ration of Gamel Dansk & Aquavit as well.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  B_MC
January 27, 2023 10:54 pm

I get a feeling that boots on the ground will never be a thing again. Just a hunch. Or if it is, it will be for the sole purpose of throwing expendable dupes to the meat grinder. Amiright?

Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe
January 27, 2023 10:27 am

Thank you for a concise and blunt article—the kind most Americans hate to read. This war cannot last long as it is now. It’s simply chewing through men and weapons faster than they are being replaced. Europeans are figuring out they’ve been used, and are tiring of the fight and hardship on our behalf. Best case scenario: If the war is allowed to wind down or end on Russia’s terms then NATO is done and the US is busted and alone in the world. This will be our country’s coup de grace and our war mongers in DC know it well. If they keep pushing for war then DC may indeed be the new Pearl Harbor and we can only hope it will stay “local”. God help us one and all.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Daddy Joe
January 27, 2023 10:34 am

This was stated the other day. Eastern thought processes are not the same as the west.

Western thought processes are linear and predictable, not as much so in the east. An actual good indicator of this is in their writings and films. Their contrasts are obvious

SheWhoShallNotBeNamed
SheWhoShallNotBeNamed
  anon a moos
January 27, 2023 12:21 pm

I have noticed that through the years. DC treats with other entities as though everybody thinks like they do. I don’t know who is advising them on the cultures of people of other countries, but they certainly are pretty clueless. Or just lying.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
  anon a moos
January 27, 2023 10:29 pm

“Their contrasts are obvious”…oh, hell yeah.
We “vaccinated” all our troops with a bioweapon.
We have a force ready for one thing….convalescense.

Richard Bagg
Richard Bagg
  Daddy Joe
January 27, 2023 10:41 am

I’m all for DC being nuked.. And when the political class runs and hides in their shelters.. We weld the doors shut, kill all external power feeds and let them rot in their tombs.

rakuten
rakuten
  Richard Bagg
January 27, 2023 1:09 pm

lol good idea

Lurker
Lurker
  Richard Bagg
January 27, 2023 6:55 pm

Can we keep the coms open so we can send them ugly tweets?

Iggy
Iggy
January 27, 2023 10:34 am

I’m all for Russia decapitating our govt

Bob
Bob
  Iggy
January 27, 2023 11:07 am

AMEN. I have half-laughingly said for many years that if North Korea or another nation just happened to nuke DC, AND if congress was in session and the prez in the Whitehouse most Americans would give them a pass…

MartelsHammer
MartelsHammer
January 27, 2023 10:41 am

Winning….the goal of the DS (Deep Shekels, Deep State, etc.) is not to win……it is to increase its power and make money. So is the power of the DS growing, absolutely on the energy front, the need to control the economy (for the war effort) and they are making trillions of dollars so the war is going really well for them. Now it is a dangerous game because pushed to the brink of defeat Russia will lash out with nukes…at that point why not, nothing to lose and nothing rallies the people around a despotic leader like Vlad more than an existential threat. Vald is not the good guy here…there are no good guys in government there are only less bad guys………So with the continual escalation how far are we away from going nuclear? Russia’s next offensive fails and the Ukrainians start to push into Russia proper or get drones to Moscow and destroy the Kremlin? (you saw the air defenses installed recently in the Kremlin). Then what? More escalation.

Now the DS are not all that smart…..they have put themselves in a weak position by being such pigs feeding at the trough……..We are out of ammo! Out…..and even understanding that Taiwan will be mostly a naval/air fight initially the US military is severely weakened and hollowed out on supplies………then what? DS thinks that they personally will always be OK…..and able to cut a deal with China that leaves them in charge of the US and Europe as a sphere of influence but that’s not how it works……ask Carthage or China itself when the Mongols finally took control. So lots more suffering to come and possibly on an unimaginable scale…..ever WW is an exponential escalation in destruction from the last one.

m
m
  MartelsHammer
January 27, 2023 11:25 am

“pushed to the brink of defeat, Russia will…”

You believe to know better than MacGregor?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  m
January 27, 2023 5:43 pm

There’s no doubt in my mind that if there’s any lashing out with nukes, it will be by the US. The European Interceptor Site that the US wanted to build in Poland – ostensibly to protect Europe from an attack by Iran – was really to allow a first strike on Russia by the US.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  MartelsHammer
January 27, 2023 9:38 pm

Ukies push into Russia? With what? Women & children? Oh, wait…how about the French???

overthecliff
overthecliff
  lamont cranston
January 27, 2023 10:30 pm

NATO is just a group of nations that provide land for US military bases.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  overthecliff
January 27, 2023 10:58 pm

Now, that makes a shit ton of sense to me. Never heard that before.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  lamont cranston
January 28, 2023 10:59 am

Cheese eating surrender monkeys.

Diogenes' Dung
Diogenes' Dung
  MartelsHammer
January 27, 2023 9:57 pm

“Taiwan will be mostly a naval/air fight initially…”

In a battle for Taiwan, Chine won’t play patty-cake. All US surface naval vessels in theater become reefs in the first two minutes. Midway, Honolulu, Seattle, Oakland, Vandenberg, LA and San Diego (at the very least) will be nuked.

“…then what? DS thinks that they… will cut a deal with China”

Sure they can, just like the deal the intellectual elite cut with Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

PassingThru
PassingThru
  Diogenes' Dung
January 27, 2023 10:36 pm

We can cut a deal for China to nuke LA, SF, Portland and Seattle, as long as they promise to also do D.C. and Manhattan. And Boston and Austin.
And do Martha’s Vineyard twice.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  PassingThru
January 27, 2023 11:00 pm

Just let me get out first.

World War Zoo
World War Zoo
  Glock-N-Load
January 27, 2023 11:22 pm

Uh, pushing this a bit close on the timing there, G-n-L as P.T.’s lined up a volume discount with a supplier wanting to do a solid demonstration.

Yahsure
Yahsure
January 27, 2023 10:53 am

The Bidens have been involved with Ukraine for years, so ya know it’s all fuked up and a bad idea. The only people making out are the MIC and energy companies. The spending by the folks in DC is just criminal.

Tony LV
Tony LV
  Yahsure
January 27, 2023 2:50 pm

“The only people making out are the MIC and energy companies.”

The only people making out are the Biden family, the many DC political class in on the scheme, the MIC and energy companies. There fixed it for ya!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 27, 2023 11:00 am

A couple days ago Macgregor was interviewed by Norwegian professor Glenn Diesen. Most of it was similar to his usual interviews, but starting at 37:22 he compares how FDR goaded Japan to attack the US Navy so the US could enter the war in Europe. I can’t remember how to prompt it.

m
m
  Iska Waran
January 27, 2023 11:27 am

Japan vs. ‘war in Europe’

Something doesn’t fit together here.

ubi
ubi
  m
January 27, 2023 12:54 pm

Japan was already allied with Germany & Italy. So declaring war on Japan caused the rest of the Axis Powers to declare war on the USA (if I’m recalling my history lessons correctly – too lazy to look it up).

m
m
  ubi
January 27, 2023 1:00 pm

brainfart of yours

PassingThru
PassingThru
  m
January 27, 2023 10:39 pm

Oh, you’re that simpleton faggot M who’s a cuck for the rich. I know it’s been said that you have a boyfriend on here that you take Zoom bubble baths with. What’s his name again? Fauntleroy or something?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  m
January 27, 2023 5:45 pm

The US declaration of war against Germany came on Dec 11, 1941.

m
m
  Iska Waran
January 28, 2023 5:06 am

Maybe I should have written clearer –
are you saying the US had not already factually entered war with Germany and Italy, before 12/11/1941?

Bob
Bob
January 27, 2023 11:07 am

Our “government” ostensibly believes in democracy, so…just WHO in Russia voted for or elected anyone in DC to decide what Russians do with their own nation or government? Where does the authority come from for the US to decide that any nation including Russia needs to be dismantled or destroyed? There is none. The US is a rogue cabal that is a clear and present danger to the entire planet.

kiwi
kiwi
  Bob
January 27, 2023 2:46 pm

it ain,t the US that is the problem its the bolshevics that
now have control of the US

Doug
Doug
January 27, 2023 11:09 am

Time for our military to stand against our Government? They know where they stand. (or should)

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Doug
January 27, 2023 12:18 pm

ROTFLMFAO!

SheWhoShallNotBeNamed
SheWhoShallNotBeNamed
  Doug
January 27, 2023 12:42 pm

I’m not certain that I’m all that enthusiastic about that bunch of wokesters being in charge. Out of the frying pan, into the fire?

Uturn
Uturn
  SheWhoShallNotBeNamed
January 27, 2023 9:32 pm

No Shit!

PassingThru
PassingThru
  SheWhoShallNotBeNamed
January 27, 2023 10:41 pm

That’s right.

Richo
Richo
January 27, 2023 12:04 pm

Russia is not fighting a war with Ukraine. It is fighting a war with NATO. Both sides acknowledge this. So instead of the goal of demilitarizing Ukraine, the goal is to demilitarize NATO. What would demilitarizing NATO mean? It would mean destroying the means that NATO has to wage war, destroying sufficient amounts of military hardware and manpower so that NATO would not be a credible military threat.
To do that, Russia must lure in this military hardware and manpower close enough to Russia so that they can destroy them with their conventional forces. This they do by fighting a slow, steady war, and giving NATO time and motivation to infiltrate into Ukraine so as to be in position to be destroyed. Thus, agreements by NATO to infiltrate tanks and other heavy armaments is a good thing. It puts them into position to be destroyed, and thus motivated to bring in more and more, with similar results. This is what will be seen as demilitarizing NATO, luring them in to place their limited war machine in position to be destroyed.
The long-term goal of Russia must be to destroy the ability of NATO to threaten Russia. Taking over and defeating Ukraine will not in any way accomplish this. What will accomplish this is to destroy the majority of NATO’s conventional war machine, and this can only be accomplished by a long term conventional war on the grounds of Ukraine with the assembled NATO war machine, which Russia should be motivating, and is in fact doing.

Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe
  Richo
January 28, 2023 12:32 am

Rico, yep, Russia in Ukraine is like a big car crusher at the end of NATOs MIC assembly line. Russia’s minister gave it away last week when he said “those tanks will burn too”. The west is being demilitarized and I’m fine with that before our gummit starts using it on us home folks.

Hank
Hank
January 27, 2023 12:48 pm

In every conflict we’ve had during the Cold War from Korea on, Russia sent tons of military hardware to our foes. Never did we threaten Russia with nuclear war.

Eddy O
Eddy O
  Hank
January 27, 2023 1:32 pm

No, Russia didn’t. The Soviet Union did. Absolutely two different entities.

JoeBob
JoeBob
January 27, 2023 1:36 pm

$770 billion to the DOD in the last (unconstitutional) spending resolution.

The Federal Government is waging economic, psychological & biological warfare against the citizens of America.

All of this while ushering invaders over the southern border.

SECEDE

kiwi
kiwi
  JoeBob
January 27, 2023 2:52 pm

The DOD is waging a war against ALL western nations (read the white race)
thats how you know the bolshevics are driving it

Uturn
Uturn
  kiwi
January 27, 2023 9:36 pm

And just who are the Bolshevics? The small hats.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  JoeBob
January 28, 2023 11:02 am

All of this while ushering invaders over the southern border.

Plan accordingly.

Jocko
Jocko
January 27, 2023 4:11 pm

“You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”
― Donald Rumsfeld

Nothing new here. We are prepared to sacrifice our young men on the alter of endless war for the elites power and wealth.

zappalives
zappalives
January 27, 2023 5:42 pm

The democrat party’s WAR against Russia-China-Iran-NK-the American people-etc-etc is just a bluff that the world is calling the PARASITES on.

As already mentioned if the PARASITES are stupid enough to go toe to toe against Russia/China………..it would be a perfect time to have a REAL insurrection and end this tyranny and insanity !

ursel doran
ursel doran
January 27, 2023 5:47 pm

Apologies to Admin for this double post, but the war is escalating by the day.
“War is not meant to be won, but to be continuous.”

An excellent reality check on the war. Urge see my comment.
https://original.antiwar.com/Veteran-Intelligence-Professionals-for-Sanity2/2023/01/25/leopards-vs-the-russian-bear/

overthecliff
overthecliff
January 27, 2023 10:24 pm

McGregor is to smart to believe the NATO club has any military capable of defeating anything but unarmed civilians. They are just Ministry of Interior troops.

Walter
Walter
January 27, 2023 11:19 pm

The Russians have handled their end very well. The action in Ukraine represents a nullification of the entire concept of diplomacy, a failure of such magnitude and breadth, and length of time, it staggers the mind.

The west, apparently under the direction of the US, has handled their end so badly it is mystifying. Action wise the Russians started slow… time passed… to judge the reaction and consolidate force… then the tanks… and Patriot missile battery… jets next? Men when? Europes getting scared and the US has been sucked in to a fight that can’t be won… or lost…

Or is everything going to plan?

Defector
Defector
January 28, 2023 3:58 am

Selling propery in Lithuania before it is too late.
The governement of Lithuania is hated by most and support for Ukrainian scam is moch lower than claimed by MSM, but no evident ways to make a meaningful change.
The problem is where to go.
Rest of the EU looks not much better.
Thought like Colombia, but having red stuff by Martin Armstrong on Brazil and the rest of South America dropped it.
Mexico?
Cannot afford Florida.
If I were alone, would just move the funds out of the EU but remain in the country.
But the family is my biggest concern.

DS
DS
  Defector
January 28, 2023 10:38 am

Iceland?

Defector
Defector
  DS
January 29, 2023 8:29 pm

No way.
All my due respect to them aside, 3 months long night in winter and no normal night sleep during summer, I better stay back home no matter what.
So : Mexico, Belize, Dominican Republic?

Obbledy
Obbledy
January 28, 2023 8:01 am

FUCKING Jew college boys!……