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It’s bullshit like this that’s the reason your site visits are dropping. Stop catering to morons with this kind of crap.
Puts you in the same league as the idiots who claim we never landed on the moon.
We never went to the flat moon, bruh and Deep Shekels did 9/11 .Snap out of it.
There is no moon!
And Pootin’ will very soon crown Klaus I. (of Schwab) as new Czar of Russia. That’s why I’m emigrating there.
We never went to the Moon Dan. And this isn’t catering, it’s just discussing reality.
You’re free to head back over to Quillette or Little Green Footballs or whatever socially acceptable forum you came from.
YOU took HOW MANY BOOSTERS? Me thinks you lied!
Please stay current on all covid boosters dan.
Where are all you assholes coming from lately telling Admin what to post and not post?
Dan, your fucking problem is you don’t want to hear all sides of an issue. I’m going to bet you like some forms of censorship even.
Tis the Season of the Coup, bro!
you’ve got to pick up all the poop. It is the season of the coup!
lol!
You mean like the bullshitters who cannot grasp that steel weakens/”softens” waayyy before melting point?
Hi m,
What is the temperature of low oxygen available kerosene fire? All that black smoke is very inefficiently burned fuel. A large portion of the fuel flared outside the building.
At what temperature does reinforcing steel lose 50% of its tensile strength? How much mass needed to be heated to achieve this? How much fuel would that take? Burning for how long?
I don’t know what happened, but the softened steel theory is weak, at best.
Outer columns (the first thing planes would hit) were 0.5+” think structural steel tubes. Hit by ~1/8″ aero aluminium at say 500mph.
Get some 1/8″ aluminium. Form it into any shape you like. See what it takes to penetrate or shear 0.5″ of steel plate with it.
That part stinks too.
“At what temperature does reinforcing steel lose 50% of its tensile strength?”
Not bad, two bullshit distortions inside one sentence with a fundamentally important question!
-‘reinforcing steel’ is used inside concrete only.
-for steel beams their tensile strength is irrelevant (because a magnitude larger) compared to their bending strength / flexural resistance.
OK. Adjust the questions above;
How much did the ‘bending strength’ reduce? How much did the beams weigh? How much energy would it take to heat sufficiently to fail?
It has been said that structural steel loses 50% of its bending strength at 500 C (932 F), compared to room temperature.
Did the beams reach that temperature?
And these?
How much did the beams weigh? How much energy would it take to heat sufficiently to fail?
What’s the temperature a wood/paper fire reaches?
And don’t give me that ‘low oxygen’ bullshit. If it’s still burning, it has enough oxygen.
And if you watched a few videos about fire spread / “flash points” inside mostly closed spaces, you’d understand that -compared to the maybe slightly reduced oxygen supply- the extremely reduced heat dissipation (because the hot gases cannot rise away from the fire) is a much bigger negative for a fire in somewhat closed spaces.
If that is your level of understanding, no need to continue.
Thanks for your effort.
LOL
No, the fire didn’t burn at 1000 C, as there was close to no oxygen supply through the several floors wide impact hole, therefore no part of any steel beam could have ever reached 500 C or more, after being engulfed in flames for 55 minutes or longer!!1!
Enjoy your self-delusions
Not one substantiated fact in your replies. Yet you crow.
Those who “know” everything, learn nothing.
I just asked a bunch of questions you ignored or clearly answered from the ignorance of your “knowledge”.
Yep, I am the one with the delusion problem. Sure.
NO, the wood/paper fire thing was a strawman. Not even a good one.
Really?
Tell me what is the temperature difference between a kerosene fire flame and a wood fire flame.
I have several questions above you have ignored.
Why would I care to answer you if you ignore my questions?
And your “don’t give me that ‘low oxygen’ bullshit. If it’s still burning, it has enough oxygen”
makes it clear you are so lacking required basic understanding of fire and oxygen interaction as to likely be a retard.
I think Fuck Off is now in order.
Fuck off.
Ohh, I have no chemical understanding! Your mind reading skills are impressive.
It sticks out that not a single one of my points has made you go “oh, I didn’t know that before” although you clearly had no clue. It is clear you are now clutching at straws to not need to question your carefully constructed worldview.
As I said before, enjoy your self-delusions! Dumbass.
Does it matter? OT ‘m’ I am surprised at you – with your excellent insider’s knowledge which has been a revelation for me over the years and for which I respect you enormously.
“Fundamentally, what closed-mindedness does is shut out the possibility of original thinking. The closed-minded person is not allowed to question her own beliefs. Such questioning allows a person to center on her own authentic self and to come to terms with—not what she has been taught to believe—but what she actually believes. Belief is very, very important, for it is upon belief that we formulate our lives. It is on belief that we build the foundations of our lives.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/traversing-the-inner-terrain/201907/the-closed-mind
For Your Comment of the Week consideration:
Thanks Eud – food for thought 🙂
Hey m, you’re another fucking retard who refuses to acknowledge what’s clear for your eyes to see.
Actually it’s you who are the fucking retards, trying to explain away that the steel beams reached 500 C rather quickly under those conditions.
No m – it’s YOU who’s the fucking retard because it’s right in front of your retarded eyes that ALL 3 of these buildings fell into their own footprint at freefall speed, consistent with a controlled demolition.
Also, no steel-framed skyscraper or high rise has EVER come down like that as a result of fires. There were none before that, and there have been none since.
So either acknowledge reality – that these buildings were wired for controlled demolition and were, in fact, brought down in that manner, with the planes being mere diversions – or go fuck yourself because you’re stubborn and stupid.
And all other buildings were constructed in exactly the same way?
But why did they do a “controlled demolition” in such a conspicuous manner, and not just on one but three buildings?
You know, you -and others- cannot simply make something up and then ignore or bullshit away all contradictory factoids.
You stupid idiot – the fucking plane strikes were used as a diversion to cover the controlled demo, so they could say “melted steel”and dipshits like you would parrot it, even 22 fucking years later.
And Bldg 7 – no plane strike, but STILL falls at free fall speed into its own footprint at 5 pm.
You’re lost.
You’re dancing around the question.
Why didn’t they make the “controlled demolition” charges have at least one out of three buildings topple over to one side?
I’m not “dancing” around anything, faggot. You’re too gay and stupid to acknowledge the truth: controlled demo, nice and neat into their own footprints. It’s all right there in front of you for you to see. Now go back to the gay bar, Village Person.
You’re not even detecting your self-contradiction in your “logic”?
First you folks blabber long and wide how own-footprint is so unusual nobody would ever believe it normal. Next you declare a controlled demolition was chosen to do exactly that, for three buildings.
Now which one is it, or how do you try to explain it away?
Damn, dude. You got owned.
Stay with it KJ – ‘m’ is dead meat on this one IMHO. Although he is a very bright and knowledgable chappie – like I opened my Letter the other week:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/war-is-peace-implosion-ivermectin?utm_source=twitter&sd=pf
Peter, I don’t have patience for these stupid bastards anymore. They’ve had 22 years to wake up. In that 22 years, there’s been voluminous research done and content made that proves what really happened, as well as the blatant evidence they can see with their own two eyes.
If they still refuse to acknowledge the truth and persist in a line of bullshit, I just go straight to the name-calling and insults, because they’re either an idiot or a shill. And this holds double for someone like m, who hangs around with folks who are awake.
Show me in those ’22years of research’, where they seriously(*) examine the question of steel weakening/”softening” with increasing temperature!
So far I have only seen dancing around that topic, and that alone leaves a very bad taste in my mouth regarding that ’22years of research’.
And that’s just the first out of four main topics.
(*)including references to materials science webpages/documents
Go show yourself, dipshit. Do some research, like I did. Watch some videos. Read some books. Your comments make absolutely no sense, but you think you know what you’re talking about and we’re the idiots? Go fuck yourself.
OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES, YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER.
See, you can’t show it.
But you do use a lot of words to deflect from that fact.
m- You fukkin’ moron, that steel literally turned to DUST. That is DEW in your face, and waaaaaaay past just the softening stage from heat.
Moving the goalposts?
OK, I’ll play:
Show me in those ’22years of research’, where they seriously(*) examine the question of steel turning to dust.
(*)including references to materials science webpages/documents
m- Explain to me where two 110 story buildings consisting of vast amounts of steel and concrete are reduced to a pile of dusty ash 6 feet in height?? Where did all the material go?? some of the DUST blew away in the huge cloud of ash visible from many miles away. One thing for sure, common sense says there would be piles if steel piled up many stories high if your theory is correct…… so WTF happened to all that steel, “m”??
LOL, you forgot to take the underground levels into account, for the “many stories high”
I rest my case:
Idiots..American fires burn in Fahrenheit.
Europe fires burn in Celsius.
Lol
Maybe I have misunderstood, but are we not talking about WTC 7? Where’s the fire ‘m’?
That’s a retarded response – like looking at the first 30 floors of the twin towers and asking ‘where is the fire’?
There was no fire in WTC 7?
None at all?
WTC7 didn’t even get a scratch from the collapse of the twin towers.
/s
Weakens/softens way before
Except when it doesn’t.
Here are some other squares for your rubik’s cube:
By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press
The fact that a Spanish skyscraper is still standing after an intense
fire consumed the steel and concrete tower for 24 hours provides real
world evidence that fire alone does not cause high-rise towers to
collapse.
As an intense fire consumed the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid’s
business district, the press reports all began with the words “fear
of collapse.” After 24 hours, however, the tower, which was a similar
construction to the twin towers of the World Trade Center, remained
standing.
The fact that an extremely severe fire did not cause the Spanish
steel and concrete tower to collapse raises serious questions about
the events of 9/11 and how they have been explained. Why did the
Windsor Building remain standing when similar towers in New York City
collapsed completely after being affected by much less intense fires
burning for considerably shorter periods of time?
…
“Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of
fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings,” the
BPS says in the chapter about the mysterious collapse of WTC 7, the
third tower to collapse on 9/11. WTC 7 was not hit by aircraft or
large pieces of debris and had only sporadic fires. At about 5:25
p.m., WTC 7, owned by Larry Silverstein, collapsed in what appeared
to be a controlled demolition.
It would be more accurate to say that no steel framed high-rise, like
WTC 7, has ever collapsed due to fire. The fact that the Windsor
Building is still standing is proof that fire alone does not cause
properly constructed steel and concrete towers to collapse.
….
In the Windsor Building fire, the fire is thought to have started on
the 21st floor late on Saturday night, Feb. 12. The upper floors were
consumed by intense fire for at least 18 hours. The fire moved down
the building and burned the entire structure. The fire is reported to
have burned temperatures of at 800 degrees Celsius, or nearly 1,500
degrees Fahrenheit.
There was a partial collapse of parts of the top 10 floors as the
trusses, which went from the core columns to the outside walls,
appear to have failed. It is important to note, however, that the
lower floors did not collapse and the core section is still standing
with a construction crane on the roof.
The complete failure of the 47-central support columns in the twin
towers of the WTC is one of the key outstanding questions about what
caused their collapses. It would be expected that they should have
remained standing even if some of the floor trusses failed. There is
no explanation for what caused the huge box columns to fail.
Two of the contractors who removed the rubble told AFP that they had
found molten steel in the 7th basement level when they reached the
bedrock where the columns were based. There is no explanation for
what caused such intense residual heat to be found at the base of the
twin towers, although some experts have pointed to powerful
explosives.
Source:
https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spain_fire_9-11.html
“Let’s all just simma down now!”
Pretty confident the official stories and the official conspiracies are deliberate misdirection.
That proves steel doesn’t weaken severely, way before melting point?
The bullshit is strong in you.
I’m not really invested in this.
The buildings are definitely down and gone, no question there.
As to how or why?
I was just offering up another angle.
Accept it.
Reject it.
And gonna cost my pocket a penny either way.
_____
Newsflash!
This Just In!
Speculation has just admitted to murdering the Wrigley Doublemint Towers. He said he did it after contacting Timothy McVeigh using an interstellar toothbrush he got from his cousin Sven.
_____
Have a great day friend!
Hey, anom, related question….why was molten metal found in the basements at WTC complex WEEKS AFTER 911?
Especially as jet fuel can’t melt steel beams?
Hey! You inadvertently got one right there.
Open air burn temp of kerosene? ~500F (ideal oxygen ratio)
Melt point of steel? ~2300F
Funny that I can get my kitchen stove to 525F and it does not collapse on itself. Racks don’t even droop slightly. Even self clean ~1000F does not. Must be made out of better material than structural steel.
Whatever happened that day, the jet fuel fire was not particularly hot.
You mean “Open air burn temp of kerosene” can barely melt Tin, i.e. do soldering?
🤣
‘You gotta learn how to lie better’
So what is the temperature kerosene burns at?
Do you know? Have you even looked?
Seems not.
From reading the thread, your scientific ignorance is very obvious. Your responses show a deep lack of comprehension or are intentional obtuse and evasive.
Tactical stupidity?
It is both tragic and funny that you probably don’t see yourself this way.
Carry on.
Then why don’t you all-knowing wise-crack give us a number, other than the bullshit 500F?
You utter fucktard.
Since you claim 500F is bullshit, what is the temperature?
I mean, if you claim it is bullshit, you must know the correct temperature.
You won’t because it would show that it is you who is entirely full of shit. Collapsing all your other claims. Why else would you not specify the “correct” temperature?
You retard, I even linked to it above already.
Here again for the reading-comprehension restricted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame#Common_flame_temperatures
“Kerosene 990 °C (1,814 °F)”
The jet fuel is not to be confused with paraffin.
Huh? WTC 7 was never hit with high temps ‘m’
1. Define ‘high temps’
2. How would you know it was never hit with that.
I don’t ‘m’ but do you have another engineering explanation?
However, this one has been verified by 4 engineers:
https://www.truth11.com/building-7/?ref=Truth11.com-newsletter
Come on ‘m’ – it’s a demolition plain and simple isn’t it? Why are you so fixated on proving the counter-factual? You are an astute operator IMHO, whom I respect, with extensive knowledge, so if you have another explanation – I am all ears.
Are you in denial that your country has been taken over by evil spooks? I wouldn’t want to believe it either and UK is even worse because they are so sneaky. Which is why I am outta here asap.
Non-understanding of how it could have failed does not equal proof that it was a controlled demolition.
It’s you who are fixated for it to be ‘controlled demolition’ – while several main topics completely fly in the face of Occam’s Razor, for the 9/11 truthers’ theories.
Occam’s Razor is a theory, not a fact.
And if you don’t want to see something, then you won’t see it.
Maybe it wasn’t a controlled demolition, maybe it was just a whole lot of luck. Bad, bad luck that all worked in their favor.
Occam’s theory is an approach/method, not a theory.
if you have two competing ideas to explain the same phenomenon, you should prefer the simpler one.
Theory, principle, method, application, instruction, whatever.
Point is it does not describe a fact and it is not a truth.
Sometimes if reflects reality, sometimes it fails.
What is far more reliable is outcomes. If the outcome benefits a specific group, that is the group you should suspect of being behind the event. And in the words of Karl Rove,
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
You can blabber and sidestep as long as you want,
but unless someone seriously explains why the simplest explanation is not the correct one, on four topics which I have identified regarding the twin towers collapse, I will stick with the simplest ‘they collapsed from the fire, on top of flawed design that didn’t take into account large fires’.
I just provided you with a tacit admission by a kety player and you dismiss it as blabber and sidestepping?
Okay.
Building catch fire all the time, they never fall like that. If you like your explanation, you can keep it. You certainly aren’t alone and the entire establishment will back you up.
Sure – don’t listen to my arguments, as the majority is always right!
Or as Taibbi put it:
“This continual process of seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices leads to a society that finds it too challenging to identify what’s true or false.”
For crazy reasons I still find materials science departments more believable, than a hodgepodge of “experts” on a 9/11-truther website who dance around going into certain topics in fine detail.
Which is the same way I didn’t trust the “vaccine” majority of experts, when their explanations rang hollow.
– –
Your ‘tacit admission’ is just another smoke screen [by you], as the main point of this saga [in creating realities] is not how exactly the towers came down, but how the Patriot Act was pushed through – and you know that.
“This continual process of seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices leads to a society that finds it too challenging to identify what’s true or false.”
Can you believe the chutzpah of this guy? The harder one looks to expose falsehoods, the more they make finding the truth impossible. Who comes up with that crap? It’s embarrassing.
I’ve listened to this horseshit since 2001. A more flagrant lie could hardly be told, and it is straight from the Operation Mockingbird playbook. I never trusted the Taibbi narrative and now you’ve given me another reason to continue ignoring this wifty little chud.
The problem isn’t seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices, it’s authoritative voices consistently fabricating nonsensical explanations for observable reality and never once admitting their falsehoods when caught.
It is so tedious to engage in this tailchasing but someone should show you up for the shill you are, even on the extreme fringes of the Interwebs.
You’re so fucking stupid, and even smearing Taibbi’s true words in the process.
I consider the materials science departments (plural, across the world!) to be the authoritative voices, against the hodgepodge of 9/11-bullshitters who only cross-support each others bullshit even when a serious point is raised that doesn’t fit into their made-up narrative.
And you just ignore the challenge [to identify what’s true or false] and even turn it on it’s head.
Maybe you should read and digest this one.
I have no idea about these engineering subjects ‘m’. I am a lowly accountant and a corporate systems analyst. I just look at the evidence and it is clear to me that it was a controlled demolition unless proved otherwise.
Can you offer definitive proof that it was really an ‘accident’? I have files of evidence which I will gladly share.
I don’t need piles of evidence.
I am asking about specific evidence that someone has looked into the thermal effect on steel in a serious, non hand-waving way, including detailed references to very serious sources, such as materials science departments of several universities.
If you have any critical thinking left, you’d realize nobody ever [to the best of my knowledge] of the 9/11-truthers has done/provided that.
(And that’s only the first out of four major areas that need to be addressed.)
I welcome looking into it ‘m’ – by all means give me guidance on the effect of heat on steel – you are the expert. But WTC7 wasn’t hit with heat – was it?
LOL. Certainly you jest.
He is a dishonest idiot, at best. Displayed repeatedly on this page
Well IMHO, as a complete novice on engineering matters, ‘m’ SOUNDS like an expert on metallurgy etc but I’m in no position to judge. I usually pass these items over my pay grade to my network team, like BOOM on medical matters, another blank spot for me.
A smart man knows that he doesn’t know.
m isn’t smart.
He actually appears too dumb to type “temperature of burning kerosene” into a search engine.
Or, the more likely, he has but since it showed he was a fool, he chose to ignore it and double down on saying I was wrong, without specifics.
Tactical stupidity. The mark of a dishonourable, disingenuous, egocentric fool. Like m.
Show your utter retardedness repeatedly, I like it!
I reserve my judgement:
“Vengeance belongs to God. YHWH has not authorised us to seek revenge when someone sins against us. (Read: Romans 12:19-21.) With our limited and imperfect viewpoint, we are simply not in a position to judge matters correctly, as God can. (Hebrews: 4:13) And, at times, we allow our emotions to interfere with our good judgment. God inspired James to write: “Man’s anger does not bring about God’s righteousness.” (Jason: 1:20) We can be certain that God will do the right thing and make sure that perfect justice will be carried out.”
…Eventually! Have faith and carry the banner.
You still believe there was not a single serious fire burning in WTC7, much less doing so for 7 hours??
Yes. The evidence is indisputable IMHO, ‘m’ but I stand to be corrected by engineering science of which I know very little having only started off as a humble tool-maker apprentice in 1965.
But I know how to hand-file to a thou – took some doing in those days! 🙂
Can you roughly outline how indisputable evidence of a NOT [that there were NO fires burning inside WTC7] is given?
I mean that’s a pretty tough nut in my imagination:
You’d basically need someone walking around inside WTC7 on many different floors and taking an uninterrupted video, while repeatedly showing by looking out a window that WTC1 & 2 were already down [so to prove it was no taken at an earlier time].
If so, where did the fires come from ‘m’ – I can’t see there was a conflagration enough to bring the whole building down, demolition style?
Perhaps you will enlighten me as to where these ‘fires’ arose?
Well that’s not indisputable evidence
You are bright enough to know that it is not an answer. Come on ‘m’ you are obfuscating – let’s get to the visceral facts? THERE WAS NO BLOODY FIRE at WTC 7? You’re an engineer – yes? then follow an engineer’s approach to the problem.
Yeah, and Dan probably doesn’t even know one single person that died from the Covaid shit shot either.
How this comment ^^^^^ started at the top of the thread under GNL’s comment and ended up waaaaaaaay down here is beyond me. 🙂
LOL – they call it mission creep I believe BL.
Dan, you are a STUPID BASTARD if you can’t see those three buildings were taken down by controlled demolition. WAKE THE FUCK UP, DIPSHIT.
LOL. It’s so funny because we never did land on the moon, so your argument comes around in a perfect full circle.
.
I still have my doubts. It doesn’t make sense that 54 years later, they still can’t do it again? WTF.
Would you try to get to the moon in a tar paper and tin foil covered cardboard box? A child can see the fakery.
It is so obvious, but logic dictates that 54 years later they still can’t do it?
Hijack ‘suspects’ alive and well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
If 19 hijackers are responsible, then how were they turning up alive in other countries after the attack?
Think carefully before your jump in where angels fear to tread Dan:
Is it me or something like an article is missing? Just asking!
‘Tis a video.
Pushing a twenty years old conspiracy, to distract from the conspiracies of today..
Mythical bldg 7……………..
The bldg collapse that nearly ALL SHEEP like dan never heard of during 9-11.
They don’t know, that they don’t know, that they don’t know.
The collapse of WTC-6 is even less in the masses’ conscience.
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=wtc%206&kind=video
Not so shocking to those of us who had noticed many of the WTFs? by 9/12/2001.
Some of us had 30+ years of noticing the WTFs? of previous events.
Dan, you have something very specific and enormously foolish in common with everyone who with a fraction of facts available, throws daggers of arrogant certainty in the faces of vast numbers of intelligent people with differing opinion than yours .
You and everyone like you (just like the stubbornly ignorant but loud vaxtards we just experienced) are completely unable to explain and are unwilling to take the time to understand what has added up to be so convincing to so many fellow humans beyond any reasonable doubt.
What are the strongest facts that your opponents consider destroys the official narrative Dan? You have no argument unless you can first show you understand what we find convincing otherwise you look like a fool in a dark room yelling from behind the door you locked and refuse to open to the rest of the information available.
If part is a lie, the whole is a lie…
Shocking indeed.
Anyone HERE heard of a book “METHODICAL ILLUSION”?
Wrote by Rebekah Roth, its a historical novel based on FACTS.
I believe she has a website too!
The dismal reality of insider trading and the money lost in the 911 death of buildings and people that never stood a chance with insiders of the Pentagon’s missive military Nazi budget of israel’s dualistic congressional representatives of the true American holocaust they created… AIPAC and the ADL secret underground resources to kill the constitution and the American Dream…
Is someone getting a nickle everytime they post this same link?
Sheesh.
this sits censors the truth!
This site censors the truth… I’m perplexed by such an amazing consequences of arbitrary decadence!
There were any number of video and audio sources recording at the time. ZERO evidence of demolition charges going off.
Well, other than the 47 story building with 100% simulataneous vertical support column failure as evidenced by the uniform and extremely rapid collapse into it’s footprint.
“There’s no explosions on any video I heard”
Right after the 911 Show, there was video with the explosions going off right before building 7 collapse, along with video of some man saying “we may have to pull it”[or something like that] in reference to 7.
I saw and heard them.
Maybe someone dot gov is getting fancy with the History Erasure Button?
Maybe they were fake?
This one I guess Eud:
https://www.truth11.com/building-7/?ref=Truth11.com-newsletter
What’s this then Tainan: