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https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/lunar-rover-designing-and-unpacking-car-moon/
Yep took a whole 5 seconds of Googling to find this link. I knew a guy in aerospace in LA who designed the folding solar panels on satellites and other space vehicles…..amazing what he could fit into a small space and then have unfold.
Like Tang, it was dehydrated.
It was made out a new metal developed in Israel by Rabbis, called “Foreskin Metal”
In shipping, the lunar rover is the size of a Tonka toy. But rub it, and it gets bigger.
Now THAT’S FUNNY !
Tang needs lube.
The real question is how did that lander.. made of Velcro, foil, spraypainted cardboard, tent materials and duct tape launch back into orbit and then make the miraculous maneuvering and thrust power required to re-dock with the orbiting capsule ( the moon rotates at 2,236 MPH..read that again), form a secure air lock and transfer back into it for the 300,000-mile trip back home. (note that the furthest a human has been into space in 50 years is the space station at 200 miles above the planet surface.)
I won’t even get into the simple mathematics of the total volume of equipment, life support, fuel, water, food living quarters etc compared to the tiny space available inside the lander– it’s mathematically impossible that all of the condensors, concentrators, suits, gadgets, cooling/heating apparatus etc could fit inside that small thing– even if the buggy was folded and stuck on a luggage rack.
Yes, all true…and all of the batteries needed to power everything including the cooling and ventilation required to support the astronauts in the harsh lunar environment. What battery tech did they have at that time?
Hamster wheels and rubber band wind-up windmills.
(Does Auntie really need to being up the Rammstein “Amerika” music video so early in the day?)
Eagle Pitcher made the batteries. Ask them. They made all kinds of defense department batters for proximity fuses and long term storage bombs and stuff. I know the batteries had silver in them.
The Big Penis …Same day delivery …duh.
Can’t waited to get into my gated pod burb.
https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=710,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/pending_media_attachments/files/008/265/466/original/d59fa2e491c21f65.webp
No Amazon back in 1969. It was probably Sears Roebuck or Montgomery Ward.
Zody’s.
Most people don’t know…it’s HUGE.
Flat mooners debunked. Here.
There’s a lot more going on in that photograph than you could jam into a lunar lander.
Staggering orbs.
Two if by me.
There’s nothing flat about that.
And the correct answer is C: Fuck you. Get out of my house.
Yep. I’m done with this fake and gay Government holiday.
i’m thankful I can still say that!
Haters gonna’ hate.
The one on top is cuter. The strong one on the bottom would be better in bed.
Why not both?
sturdy enough to pull a plough
It folded up. My god, what’s wrong with you?
Have you seen the videos? It is merely the frame that they allege folded up outside of the lunar lander. How did they ASSEMBLE the vehicle on the moon. Why is there not a (released) training video of the astronauts assembling the buggy here on earth? One would think everything was filmed. No?
It weighed 400 pounds, as much as the 3 man crew itself. Folded or not, NASA just decided to double the weight of the payload?
The LEM originally used its own engines to slow from high orbit all the way to the surface, but there was never wiggle room on how much fuel the LEM could carry. SO…the solution was to use the orbiter to bring the LEM down to 50,000 feet and then cut it loose. The orbiter carried the extra fuel in a sense. That way more payload could be taken to the surface by the LEM.
ALL of this info is readily available on the web and in books and has been for decades. None of the is anything other than Newtonian physics, chemistry and engineering. Von Braun said it was the biggest PLUMBING project he ever worked on.
Tiny 133lb American astronaut weaklings
One word, Legos
Tinker Toys.
It is metal, so would be an erector set, with Tinker Toy wheels.
The lander is much bigger than you think …
About 35 feet tall with legs extended
I wanted to post this so bad last week but I held off until someone else brought it up.
I stumbled across an MSM show about NASA and decided to watch a few minutes. It featured some NASA engineer talking about the Apollo 17 lunar rover fender repair incident.
The way my mind works is to always assume that if NASA is telling you something, then it’s almost certainly some sort of fabrication. In this case several things immediately jumped out.
1) a hammer in Cernan’s pocket tore off the lunar rover’s fender.
2) it was repaired with duct tape, right there on the Moon.
So both of those things seemed improbable for several reasons. I’ve carried a hammer from a tool belt or a pocket loop for thousands of hours over the course of my lifetime, so I have had the handle get caught on things like building material, trusses, harnesses, scaffold, ladders, etc. Sometimes it will tear the pant loop, sometimes it will stop you until you disentangle yourself, sometimes the hammer comes out. There’s a sort of physics to it because the handle itself moves on it’s own arc within the confines of the loop/ring and your body and the hammer are not attached, so your movements are not enough to cause that kind of torque before the handle moves, especially if it’s in a pocket. There’s also the question of which is stronger, a pocket or a fender? I don’t know anything about building Moon buggies, but you’d think they’d been built by the same sort of guys who got us to the Moon, not your crazy Uncle Jeff who uses bondo on everything, but what do I know. You’d think Gene Cernan would have noticed the hammer catching and not yanked at it, especially considering how slow they move up there, but again maybe time was of the essence. But you know what, let’s just say that’s what happened, his hammer in his pocket ripped the fender off the Moon rover, K?
Now it must be fixed because otherwise the Moon dust would kick up all over their Moon buggy as they ripped around the local craters and you can’t just drive slower, right?
Here’s the next part that makes no sense; they decided to fix it with duct tape. I am not making that up and that was not a problem they went to Uncle Jeff with, but that was their solution. Where, you might ask, were they going to get duct tape on the Moon? Why in the LEM, of course. That, along with their quarter ton dune buggy, was one of those things you couldn’t go to the Moon without. Makes you wonder if they also brought along some Elmer’s glue, push pins, left handed scissors, glitter and construction paper in their kit. Lucky for them, the duct tape was right there.
Now in my cynical mind the first thought I had was, you know, duct tape must have sort of temperature range to work properly, right? And the Moon- IIRC- is either really cold when it’s dark or really hot when it’s sunny because no atmosphere or something, so I check NASA’s data on that fluctuation and it says-
“…varies from -298 degrees Fahrenheit (-183 degrees Celsius), at night, to 224 degrees Fahrenheit (106 degrees Celsius) during the day.”
What do the duct tape experts say about the efficacy of their product under a myriad of conditions?
Hot surfaces: Surfaces that reach temperatures over 140°F cause the adhesive to soften, lose its strength, and slip from the attachment.
Cold surfaces: Similarly, duct tape does not work well in extreme cold. Freezing temperatures cause the adhesive to harden which diminishes its sticking power.
-300 degrees is colder than freezing, right? And 224 is way hotter than 140, isn’t it?
Maybe the duct tape from back then was like that lightbulb Edison installed in 1901 that’s still burning, something extra special.
Whatever.
Then there were the Moon maps that made up the replacement fender. Maps? Of the Moon? How far were these guys going? I mean the LEM would have been the tallest thing on the Moon and visible from as far away as you could drive that buggy, but they brought along maps too, because- I don’t know, I’ve got nothing on that one.
So they need a Moon rover, because they absolutely had to travel while there. You’d think that you could find enough rocks and dust within 20 feet of the landing site to keep scientist busy for the next fifty years, but apparently not. They also needed a hammer, again, for what purpose? Were they going to build something? Were there no rocks small enough to fit in their sample bags? They never say why. They had the the world’s strongest pocket material, but the world’s lamest bumper fasteners. Maybe they should have switched manufacturers.
Again, as with all of their stories, they just don’t sound believable. If a kid told you this, or if you read it in a science fiction novel you’d do that raised eyebrow thing and think, really?
But I’m sure a true believer will come along and explain away all of these points in a way that makes total sense.
And for that I give thanks.
Time to go pop that turkey in the oven.
HSF, Happy Thanksgiving! I love that you ask questions that poke at the storyline. When I ask those kind of questions, any answer other than a truthful answer let’s me know it is a story intended to sell me an idea or a product. So then I have to wonder, why does this person want me to believe this idea that I should not ask questions about. Ya, I don’t talk with many folks about heavy subjects, I stick to goats. Enjoy that turkey!!
are you calling them liars?
Fabricators of a sort.
Excellent questins and points hsf.
Here is video proof the landings were faked at a movie studio soundcstage:
Happy Thanksgiving
And FJB🙏
Can you imagine…moon maps.
Astro 1 “Let’s see, here’s the 7-11, the grocery store is here, ah! I see it. Turn left on Martin Luther King Boulder”
Astro 2 “I don’t see any street signs…this neighborhood doesn’t seem safe.”
Moon Maid’s father owned a hardware store in one crater away to the south. They bought the duct tape from him.
Did I miss it or did you not mention trying to get duct tape started off of a roll with gloves on?
It’s a chore with bare hands at room temp.
No way I would go to the moon without duct tape and the equivalent of bailing wire. And WD-40. These are the indispensible materials.
You’re dead now because you forgot your screwdriver.
NASA hired the world’s top origami experts to design the folding car.
It was up Buzz Aldrin’s ass….obviously. After removal, his head replaced it.
We can see a billion light years into space , but no pictures from Earth of the alleged lander site , tire tracks or the base lander parts we left behind.
NASA suffers from space hypermetropia, and hyperopia.
“NASA suffers from space hypermetropia, and hyperopia”
Same Word
“NASA suffers from space hypermetropia, and hyperopia”
So what?
The medical name for long-sightedness is hypermetropia, sometimes called hyperopia.
https://patient.info/eye-care/long-sight-hypermetropia
Some people might only know it by one of those terms.
Kubrick drove it to the set on a double-axle cargo trailer.
How did they fit the lunar rover into the LEM.
Here’s how:
And as for the lunar blastoff.
Here it is, just as you would expect, little to no visible exhaust in the oxygen free lunar world.
You’ll can believe what you want and I will believe what I want…
I believe they could not have added 400 pounds to the payload.
Orbiter was used to bring the LEM down to 50,000 feet using fuel in the service module. It then returned to a higher orbit. The LEM then used its engine to drop from 50,000 feet instead of full orbital flight as was done on the first landings.
you do know the top pics are a poor artist rendering right? And you seriously believe that is a depiction of some kind of launch, including the fuel and thrusters which are supposedly in a large compartment along with the buggy under the astronaut compartment–which will zoom out into moon orbit and catch an unpracticed docking with the orbiting capsule for a ride 300,000 miles back home….
People believe what they want.. they see what confirms their biases and refuse to see the things that disprove their comfortable affirmations. you do you.
Assuming the base is appx 12-13 feet, as reported and judging in relation to a 6 foot man, that makes the top part which is the air, fuel, compressors for air, food, electronics, space suits, cases, heating and cooling systems, shielding, living space, etc etc etc
If you want to believe all of that fit into the top part which is roughly 500 cubical feet of space– more power to you.
Look at the lander feet. They should be covered in DUST from when it set down.
OOOPPPPSSSS
“should be covered in DUST”
They were treated with Dustguard™
A product eventually sold as Scotchguard™
Look at those panels…seams wide open and wavy…yeah that was on the moon
The fuel and oxidizer tanks as well as the engine are essentially inside the return capsule from the lunar surface. This nonsense on here is akin to the “ancient aliens built the pyramids” garbage. There are and always have been smart and capable people able to solve complex problems with workable solutions. That includes ancient Egyptians and Aerospace Engineers.
Just because people on these comments cannot fathom solutions doesn’t mean there aren’t people who can. The issue at hand is Ignorance Bias.
I guess one could try and calculate how much water and food and waste three muscular men would need/generate in eight days.
For instance, humans supposedly need about a gallon a day of water.
Three astronauts, times one gallon of water, times 8 days equals 76 gallons of water.
3-Castronauts times 2,000 calories a day.
What about oxygen. Diving tanks contain how many minutes of O?
What about waste? 3 bms a day times eight days.
Where does the carbon dioxide from respiration go?
Wouldn’t continuously adding gas to cabin of the vessel render it unstable, maybe pop it like a zit?
Jes questions…
CO2 was absorbed into chemicals…became part of a solid. Watch the movie Apollo 13.
Water came from reacting O2 and H2 in fuel cells that also supplied electricity for the command module.
Urine was dumped into space as were solid waste from time to time. Some solid waste was left on the moon on every mission. Yes, there is Human shit on the moon.
O2 was stored in the Service module as liquid O2 took up relatively small space(s).
Food took up storage space…just is.
Bob Bob Bob… You are just taking away all the fun outta arguing over petty reasoning. The earth is flat, the moon also must be flat, the Sun is a big theatre light, theres a giant icewall that super secret govts are keeping secret, an alien base in the Antarctic and a plethora of other oddities. all FACT!! <– notice the all caps and exclamation marks, makes it all more truer
are you working for the govt???
I was a kid when all this was going on in real time and I was an absolute space junky. From memory I can spout tons of useless data, facts and figures about this stuff all these decades later. Not much else to do on a small Kansas farm back then. Not much to do on a small Kansas farm now, so…
Are there any small Kansas farms left?
darned few.
CO2 was absorbed into chemicals
If the O converts to co2, and is “absorbed into chemicals” what are these chemicals?
Sounds dodgey.
Does co2 have mass?
What is done with the mass?
If so, constantly adding O to the environment would continuously add pressure from the O and the CO2.
That is unless the cabin occupied by the humans is not pressurized in any way…[which is not very credible in low density environments like ‘space’]
Ever hear of a rebreather??
You can dive on a rebreather for 2-3 hours, and your dive time whilst using a rebreather is limited by the CNS oxygen toxicity clock, the gas supply and the scrubber duration. Rebreathers are a closed-circuit breathing apparatus for scuba diving as an alternative to a scuba tank and apparatus.
Are you suggesting there were 192 rebreathers on board?
8 days x 24 hours x 3 astronauts÷=576 hours.
576 hours ÷ 3 hours max rebreather time=192 hours.
Sounds credible.
Shizer…. you get limited time because you are under pressure. Several atmospheres. Has a way of adding to the O2 requirements. Plus the astros would not be working as hard as you would in scuba. Its the same tech but different application.
So you are suggesting that these guyz would all have to wear rebreather tanks and swap them out. wowsers. Instead or possibly swapping out a few canisters along the trip in a low atmosphere environment. I suppose they have to send large amounts of O2 to the ISS every couple days to keep them in O2, right?!?!?
I’m def not saying there aren’t problems with the moon landing, hoax or not. But the tech is there and there were spin off tech discovered/developed that we use today in everyday life.
But when you want the problems to keep going so you can argue pointlessly then no amount of reasonable discussion is allowed.
NASA did not use dioxygen [O2] did they?
The symbol for oxygen is O.
Lithium hydroxide if I remember correctly. or Lithium oxide absorbed the Co2. heck, sodium or potassium hydroxide will do it too. Anesthetist use CO2 scrubbers during surgery, too. Pretty simple technology folks.
Sounds heavy and bulky to me.
The water part was easy. They use dehydrated water which saved tremendous weight. When you need some, you just add water and there you have it. Ta-Daaaa!
Who panned the camera up to follow the launched craft?
Someone in mission control who knew how long the comms time delay was
How do you get a rocket to create thrust without any oxygen?
even back in the day you had a few guys working, and a bunch more just standing around. nice.
NASA Mooned America – Ralph Rene
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/9216889
Our space shuttles routinely blast off to orbit the Earth. There is not a single doubt that
man is in space! However, there is much doubt that any man has ever gone beyond the
radiation shield provided by the Van Allen belts. As you will eventually learn from the
chapter titled Sunstroke, once beyond that shield space is riven with deadly radiation from
the Sun.
The Table of Contents should be on this page. However, since NASA MOONED
AMERICA! is a unique book it required a different format. The old adage, “A picture is
worth 10,000 words.” still holds true. We shall immediately present four pages of NASAderived
photos that will absolutely prove that NASA began to doctor photos three years
before the Apollo missions allegedly landed men on the Moon.
Yes there is radiation in space. There is also radiation in Grand Central Station, flying in passenger jets, Bananas and in your body. Amount of radiation in what period of time is what is critical. Large solar flares pose a serious threat to astronauts even in low earth orbit.
Large solar flares pose a serious threat to astronauts, even at sea level.
Yes Timmy, large solar flares pose a serious threat at sea level.
How did the buggy fit in the lander? The same way the lander carried enough fuel to obtain orbit, which would require a booster 1/6 the size of the Saturn rocket that launched it from the earth…. It was magic….
With tech like that, I’m sure the moon landing was totally real.
😂
A lot more slide rules were used than computers. Manhattan project and Atom Bomb “calculators” were literally rooms full of math specialists doing pencil and paper calculations in series and parallel with each other. That is how the solved some of the most complex physics work in 1944 and 1945. And how many of the early space age problems were solved just like that, as well.
There WAS a world before computers but most of you won’t, or cannot seem to believe it.
Good God. You’re really a true believer, aren’t you?
Mission control got the job done with a Commodore 64 and President Nixon had a crystal clear phonecall with the guy on the moon, 250,000 miles away.
What a crock of shit.
in-flate-a-buggy?
Okay, my lazy finger is tired of scrolling these comments. Lets keep it simple.
Why, in all of the alleged ‘moon shots’ are there no stars visible? Oh that’s right, they did the space walks/buggy rides at night, right? Night in space is different, it’s dark… I’ll just leave this here.
God Bless Dave, a truly inspiring intellect.
Peace, L.
Brilliant!
Again,