The Israel/Hamas ceasefire: your thoughts

Guest Post by Alex Berenson

Many of you agreed with my view that Israel should not have paused its attacks in return for the release of hostages. And many of you didn’t. Some of the most interesting views below.

Unsurprisingly, yesterday’s piece suggesting the Gaza ceasefire is a victory for Hamas and a defeat for Israel generated huge feedback – both in comments on the story and emails to me.

The responses came in four main buckets – I think they’re worth sharing.

(Italics are your words, with my comments are in parentheses.)

First, many of you agreed. And one pointed out another downside I had considered but for some reason did not explicitly include in my analysis:

You forgot the main thing. It rewards Hamas for taking hostages, and incentivizes them to do so again.

(This is the original and best reason not to negotiate with terrorists or hostage-takers. But when push comes to shove, most countries blink – France and Spain almost surely paid huge ransoms to the ISIS in return for journalists it had taken hostage.)

Second, a few of you are strongly anti-Israeli (I won’t call you antisemitic, as I can’t see into your hearts), and argued Israel has no right to defend itself at all. To wit:

Stick to covid shit! You filthy Zionist

(Okay, I’m comfortable calling THAT guy an antisemite.)

(The original post, if you missed it yesterday)

Israel has made a huge mistake

·
Nov 26

How to suffer humiliating national defeat in three easy steps: 1: Sat., Oct. 7: Hamas fighters break out of Gaza, overrun Israeli army bases and villages, brutally kill over 1,000 Israelis – and bring almost 250 hostages back to Gaza. 2: Sat., Oct. 28: Israel


Third, some of you said you disliked the deal but that my analysis was overly coldblooded and underestimated the the importance of bringing home the hostages:

I agree that Israel made a terrible mistake but the rest of Alex’s analysis is missing a few points. First, the mitzvah of Pidion Shvuim (rescuing hostages) is a strong custom for observing Jews. Second, there is a massive emotional yearning of Israeli public to bring the hostages home with enormous daily demonstrations. I hope, though, Israeli leadership will have the strength to oppose American pressure and disregard international propaganda and will restart the military offensive. They have no choice.

The fourth category was the smallest, just a couple of long emails and comments, but to me the most interesting. These readers made military and tactical analysis and essentially arguing Israel should be taken at its word when it says it will resume the invasion as soon as Hamas starts releasing hostages:

Hamas’s big play was to kill 1,200 and kidnap another 250. The population of Israel is 9 million. So existential concerns might be a bit overblown.

I’ve used the cowboys and indians comparative before. For Hamas, this was the Little Big Horn with Hamas playing the role of the Lakota-Cheyenne. Surprise, mobility and vastly superior numbers guaranteed a bloodbath once but the tribes eventually were neutered and confined to reservations. The white settler culture was technologically superior and eventually prevailed. This is an inevitable outcome. And Hamas’s sponsors will eventually run out of patience, I imagine. When is harder to predict.

Since the remainder of the Arab world seems content to stand by and watch passively, Israel can likely restart armed operation in Gaza whenever Hamas runs out of hostages to trade. Hamas’s rearmament – which some seem concerned about – lacks concrete lines of communication (supply). Ammunition or chemicals to make munitions must be smuggled. This is no way to resist an enemy with mobile artillery, unfettered control of the air and control of its rear area…

Egypt doesn’t want in. Jordan sees conflict in the context of more territorial losses so won’t want a piece of this. That leaves Syria going it alone and Syria still has a low level civil war underway. So they seem unlikely to capitalize on Israel’s distraction in the south.

Once Hamas stops freeing hostages or runs out of them to trade, Israel can restart the grind. Hamas’s tunnels have proven annoying but they are stationary and interconnected – a huge weakness in modern warfare. Useful for very small operations (and probably to maintain terror control over their own citizens) they are easily neutralized once found and spare the requirement to dig graves for the terror army that occupies them.

(This analysis may be correct militarily – but I think it underestimates the worldwide pressure Israel will face to end the invasion. Now that a ceasefire has begun and Hamas has demonstrated it will release captives, Israel will face an even louder outcry if it again begins killing Palestinian civilians and leveling large stretches of Gaza. That said, if the Israeli government has decided it simply does not care what the rest of the world thinks, this may be its plan.)

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Anonymous
Anonymous
November 28, 2023 7:16 am

“Now that a ceasefire has begun and Hamas has demonstrated it will release captives, Israel will face an even louder outcry if it again begins killing Palestinian civilians and leveling large stretches of Gaza”.

Berenson doesn’t have to tell you that he’s perfectly ok with Israel killing Palestinian civilians and leveling large stretches of Gaza. A filthy Zionist indeed.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:51 am

Berenson is a normal human.
He is right about some things.
Way the fuck off on others.
.. … …. …..
Let the chips, be chips.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 28, 2023 7:42 am

What are my thoughts?

Glad you asked.

I think that this was planned well in advance. I don’t know if Israel has 100% control of Hamas, but I’d guess it’s almost complete. They fund it, arm it, agitate it, and have a network of embedded assets within it. The October 7th “invasion” was planned as much by Israel as by anyone else, not saying that the majority of the guys with AK’s and flip flops weren’t true Islamic warriors, but without Israel completely lifting it’s protection along the border for hours it could not have happened, and it did, so…

I think the operation- as in most psyops- was multi-layered. They understood it would completely freak out the Israeli public and get them back on board with the expansionist Eratz Israel crowd, stop looking into the corruption scandals of Netanyah,u and demand a hard line response vis a vis Amalek. They knew that bombing the crap out of Gaza absent some sort of Islamic invasion was not going to happen, so they simply made sure it happened, like 9/11. They also knew that even if it was somewhat justified, the kind of response they had planned would spark international outrage. You’d think they’d want to avoid that, but I think that was the purpose. It would be hard to convince the Western world, already overrun with “refugees”, to accept another 5 or 6 million of them, but create a humanitarian crisis with images of dead children as its face? Open up the gates folks, more huddled masses headed you way and a brand new, wide open, newly leveled Gaza left for the new landlords to stretch out the borders of their realm. I think the term for this is block busting, but that’s so old most people won’t remember how that worked.

Win/win.

It also takes away the scrutiny previously focused on their new branch office in Ukraine, which uncoincidentally is now empty of young, fighting age Ukrainian men to protect it from the new owners who are rolling into the European continent as we speak. Israel 2.0 with hot blond chicks and no boyfriend or hubby left to protect them. And as a bonus it paints a massive bull’s eye on Amerikwa for supporting them militarily and financially, so that once all the irate refugees with a thirst for revenge are safely ensconced in Racine, Akron and Temecula, they can kick off the final solution to the greatest threat to humanity, the angry white male.

It’s a fourfor.

I know, sounds conspiratorial, doesn’t it? All I know for certain is that if the media is reporting on something, it’s false, at least the slant of the story, even if some facts creep in.

flash
flash
  hardscrabble farmer
November 28, 2023 9:04 am

+100 …I think you about covered it all.

The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
  hardscrabble farmer
November 28, 2023 11:30 am

Hamas is to Israel as ISIS is to the US, a constructed monster loosed to provide the legal impetus for taking military action in any area where these entities operate. It is US law that US military can operate in any country that has been designated (by the US of course) as having an ISIS presence, even though the US put them there and funded them and armed them in the first place. Hamas is the same, an excuse for murder.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Duke of New York
November 28, 2023 11:53 am

US law that US military can operate in any country that has been designated (by the US of course) as having an ISIS presence,

Do you have a reference for this claim?
[Thank you in advance]

The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 1:12 pm
Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Duke of New York
November 28, 2023 3:40 pm

My bad.
I wasn’t specific.

Do you have a credible reference for this claim?
[Thank you in advance]

BL
BL
  The Duke of New York
November 28, 2023 12:02 pm

Those have been my points all along, HF. Nice comment, but what next? If organized jewery is this deadly, this brazen, you can only imagine our future when they move to their new control center.

This is a death cult, they want the world and everything within. Explaining what evil they have just successfully pulled off killing 10,000+ Palestinians should be followed by condemnation.

We are all just Palestinians going forward if nothing is done to stop them.

zappalives
zappalives
  hardscrabble farmer
November 28, 2023 5:59 pm

Ya fucking nailed it HF !

Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
November 28, 2023 8:05 am

Isreal a millstone around our neck

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Gaping sphincter
November 28, 2023 11:23 am

israel is a millstone around the world’s neck …

There … FIFY …

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Gaping sphincter
November 28, 2023 12:05 pm

Israel is the nom de plume Jacob used after he, Jacob, ripped off his brothers inheritance.
Go look it up.
He was fleeing for his life, and he was so scared he started using another name.
Only AFTER Esau didn’t kill him, did he come up with the the “wrestled with God” story as a coverup to his cowardice and save face.
And that was how he had it recorded.

By applying your knowledge of human behavior to the bible characters, you might meet the real “them” for the first time.

Jdog
Jdog
November 28, 2023 8:08 am

The US has developed and groomed Israel the way wanna be criminals groom pit bulls… to senselessly attack.
Now the pit bull has attacked a bunch of women and children and the shit has hit the fan.
The cease fire will not hold unless Israel totally backs down, and the chances of that are slim. The Biden administration knows they are on the wrong side of this, but also desperately needs something they can claim to have won, as every thing else they have touched has turned to shit.
The Muslim world is enraged, and the hatred is running at 12 on a 10 scale. The President of Turkey has said that it is just a matter of time before Turkeys troops are fighting in Gaza.
If Israel is destroyed, the US looses its control of the Middle East and of the oil. Without Israel, the Middle East would come under the influence of Russia and China who they see as a preferable alternative to the US, therefore it is in the best interests of Russia and China to support the Muslim countries.
This cease fire is Israel’s last chance to survive, and if they decide to continue with the senseless murder of the Palestinian people, the countries of the Middle East will destroy Israel, and there is nothing the US can do to stop that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 9:21 am

JDog shit. You are full of dog shit. Israel’s last chance to survive? Right. Please go on. Dumbass

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 12:37 pm

It is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the most credible military minds in this country. Sorry if you get butt hurt by the facts Karen, but Israel is fucked, and it deserves to be destroyed. It is an evil place, inhabited by evil people, and supported by evil toadies. Fuck Israel and Fuck you straight to hell.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 2:16 pm

Israel is winning. And they are decent people who are fighting for their right to live in security in their land. They aren’t occupying shit. And the Palestinians are evil people not the Israelis. get your facts straight. No one wants to take these shit bags in. Not one muslim country. I wonder why that is? They’re such nice, decent people….who want to kill all the Jews

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 3:34 pm

Oh those poor Jews. The small, ever victimized minority that everybody always wants to kill for absolutely no reason, and who have been kicked out of 109 countries in the last 1000 years.

There comes a time when you have to stop blaming everybody else and start admitting that it might be you, and not them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 29, 2023 9:18 am

They don’t have to blame anybody. Let’s see them get kicked out of Israel

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 3:36 pm

Yeah J-Dog!

“Gitchyer faaggs straight!”

hahaha! That person is convinced jdog the damn DEVIL!

HAHAHAHAAA!!

Jdog, you whyte devil, you!

Gitchyer faaggs straight, mgay?

Hahaha!!

They cry out in pain as they strike

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
December 1, 2023 8:56 am

Israel will be destroyed, because their hatred of the rest of humanity will not allow them to live in peace with anyone. Palestine is not their land, and never has been. The Arab countries will rise up and destroy Israel, and there is not a damn thing the US can do to stop that. The world will be a better place when the genocidal Israeli Zionists no longer exist and Palestine is restored to its rightful owners.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 9:55 am

If the Muslim world is so enraged, why have all but Egypt refused to take Palestinian refugees?

Ginger
Ginger
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 10:03 am

Because they are more than happy the USA will. Great way to spread Islam.

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 12:39 pm

Hey stupid, why should Egypt take Palestinian refugees? Just to make things easier on the murderous Jew bastards? Why would they want to do that? The Jew bastards shit the bed, let them reap the consequences….

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 11:25 am

As if the thugs and criminals and murderers that were the founders if israel — and their followers ever since — have needed any ‘grooming’ for their criminal ways against anyone and everyone they’ve ever encountered …

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 1:32 pm

“The US has developed and groomed Israel” Me thinks it might be the other way around, since 1948.

“If Israel is destroyed, the US looses its control of the Middle East and of the oil.” Good, then the USA will have to extract and use its own supplies.

kiwi
kiwi
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 6:59 pm

no it is isreal that is in control via their other proxy the UK, jews been at this a long time
they control ALL nations via their banking fraud, it suits them that you believe something
else

Anonymous
Anonymous
  kiwi
November 29, 2023 9:20 am

Yes, the Jews control it all. They control the weather, the depths off the ocean, the color of the sky . Please, tell us more about the ‘banking fraud”

Ed
Ed
November 28, 2023 8:34 am

FAB

flash
flash
November 28, 2023 8:40 am

Israel is fake and gay as the moon landing.

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OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  flash
November 28, 2023 9:00 am

Boomer says he has “no dog in this fight! I hope they both kill eachother!” Hurrrdurr!

So tired of Boomers acting like faggy latte hipsters. “Well, ACKCHYUYALLY, Israel is justified in- ……

No.

Just, no.

The ‘”Israelis”‘ F*¢KING DESPISE YOU. They have waged war on your families since fcking forever! But most of you will sit there and lick jewish doggnutz before admitting you might be wrong in supporting your own biggest enemy?

Spineless weaklings!

I’ll understand if you’re like a sandbox combat vet, with a permanent grudge against haji. Ok. Or if you’re literally Jewish. Then I can MAYBE grok your support for Israel.

But as for the rest of you third-wave, geriatric, retarded hipster fucks?!

Just shut your retarded ass faces. You are a child, and I will treat you like one from here on out. Know-nothing airhead blowhards!!

You’re worse than the Jews! Piece of jewish dogshit on my boots! That’s what you are! Embrace your new identity… Biggest losers I’ve ever witnessed IN. MY. LIFE.

Worse than useless! Fuck all the way off!

Free Palestine. And fuck Jewwy boomers the most!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 9:59 am

You have correctly identified yourself as off your hinges. This post reminds me of an idiot who used to spew anti-boomer vitriol on Wall Street Silver. Is that you?

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 10:23 am

Dear pussy anon TARD,

First off, you’re welcome for taking time to reply to your retarded strawman bs.

Retard.

I have sat by quietly while maggot NPC’s (what you are) crawled out of the woodwork, shilling hard for Jews while unknowingly standing for everything else the jews are against.

I feel like people need a slap in the face, in an attempt to knock some sense into them. People like you have no convictions, just emotions (like women), reacting frantically in support of the current thing. You’re not much of a man, frankly.

If you support jews, and all the degeneracy that has originated from them, and corrupted european civilizations for millenia, then why dont you just out yourself as the pro-tranny, pro-immigration, black lives matter faggit bitch that you are?

That’s literally the end result of your ignorant position. Degeneracy.

Maybe read some actual history, you ignorant blowhard, and come back to the adult room with a head on your shoulders.

I have little patience for Zionist pigdogs and their bootlicking bitches.

Child trannies, and dropping 25 tons of ordnance on defenseless women and 8,000 children. Plus, more retarded nonsense. You lose.

Next!

BL
BL
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 2:54 pm

Off- It’s the Zionist pigdogs and their media bootlicking bitches that have trained your generation to blame and hate boomers for everything that you have been unable to accomplish. Your argument is as hollow as your head. Every minute that ticks past you are getting closer to being the “new boomer” whipping post for the younger generations after you. When you are old and the younger crowd screams for your euthanization to keep you from taking up their rations of food and energy, remember you brought this about by being a dick with little to offer but baseless blather to be destructive.

The Nazis in Canada would pay you handsomely to work in the MAIDS program, you are the kind of slug they recruit for the job of killing people to fit quotas.

BL
BL
  BL
November 28, 2023 2:56 pm

PS, OfftheHingeZ…..GFY.

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  BL
November 28, 2023 3:12 pm

Oh come off it Bud Light!

I dont even dislike you! Petty lil queer…

I don’t even dislike Boomers.

I just can’t stand the flipflopping, spineless, mindless, fly catchers that most Boomers seem to be. My comment wasn’t even directed at them wholesale, just the Jewwy ones. Them, and the idiot, late to the game, 3rd wave hipsters who think theyre neutral, when everything they say and stand for says otherwise. “B-b-but it’s more n-nuanced! It’s not my country. V-violence is wrong!”

Stuff it….!

If you took it the wrong way because you Identify so strongly with boomers, then I’m sorry buddy. Honestly, I am.

But, if you wanna be a hater, still mad for no reason, you can GSY gramps. Change your depends.

BL
BL
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 3:22 pm

Hinge, there is a position available for MAIDS assisted death squad in Canada. All you have to do is kill boomers 5 days a week for a generous paycheck and I’m sure you would absolutely enjoy the work.

Apply for the position with University Health Network, Toronto, ON Canada.

This is not sarc Hinge, it is a real position that you are well suited to fill.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
November 28, 2023 4:27 pm

BL, Somewhere, somehow, you are robbing a village of their idiot.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 4:44 pm

He’s a non-stop boomer hater broken record. You can also GFY, I’m sick of his BS.

I really don’t care what you and your fag boyfriend Hinge think regarding me and other boomers. Can’t you just pleasure each other behind closed doors and spare us the stupid?

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  BL
November 28, 2023 5:13 pm

Calm down grampy. I’ll ease up on the Boomers a bit. Aint worth havin a stroke over.

I can admit most millenials are idiots. Doesnt mean I’m referring to all of them, particularly not here.

Sorry if I made you mad. Still stand by what I said tho

Anonymous
Anonymous
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 5:26 pm
Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
November 28, 2023 6:03 pm

BL, the people who tolerate you on a daily basis are the real heroes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
November 28, 2023 10:47 pm

Will there ever be a BL~Off the Hinges ceasefire?

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:27 pm

I sure hope so. But the iron curtain BL has ensconced himself in is impenetrable, and he has severed all communication.

We on team hinge remain open to dialogue, and are committed to de-escalation in the affected territories, but given the coarse, bellicose rhetoric espoused by the other party, nuclear conflagration may be unavoidable at this late hour.

Rest assured, all options are on the table. Our negotiating teams have been working overtime, engaged in seeking peaceful resolutions. But we remain skeptical of a brokered truce, and are ready to respond to any further hostilities with swift, overwhelming strikes upon the most valuable rhetorical targets.

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 11:51 pm

Naa just kidding. I’m not trippin. If BL wants to be upset, that’s okay. I’m not mad at him. Hell, I deserve it half the time.

He’s not terribly incorrect, apart from the ad-hominem stuff. I can see where he’s coming from. I think I’m throwing in the towel on this one, honestly.

Hey BL. Sorry buddy. Hope you have a good night man. Look forward to up-voting more of your better comments, like I do more often than not, honestly.

Hope you don’t hate me!

BL- 1
OtHZ- 0

Anonymous
Anonymous
  OfftheHingeZ
November 29, 2023 9:24 am

The Israelis despise you.? Fuck off ashole and go suk some muslim goatfucker cock

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 28, 2023 9:11 am

Israel is releasing hostages the IDF kidnapped and are holding as”Hamas”

The IDF spokeshole on fox news last night said “We will rescue our hostages atall costs”

Not “We will rescue all hostagrs.”
Or “We will rescue the hostages.”
But “We will rescue OUR hostages.”

They love to tell us the truth, wrapped in a vernacular lie.
They are “releasing the hostage” to themselves.
It’s a big con job.

kiwi
kiwi
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 7:25 pm

and they tell us they are smart / clever /s to dumb for words lol

Orwell
Orwell
November 28, 2023 9:38 am

All staged for the dupes of the world!
US is a country of dupes run by dual citizens. Wake up, you freaking retards!

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 28, 2023 9:52 am

The heart wants what the heart wants. Sometimes compassion (and righteous rage) must overcome logic.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:48 am

Love is love.
Sugar is sugar.
God is Satan

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 12:17 pm

And you are tripping.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 2:59 pm

He’s not tripping, Cabalist joo?

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  BL
November 28, 2023 3:04 pm

Aleister Crowley fan.

BL
BL
  Aunt Acid
November 28, 2023 3:33 pm

Anton LaVey, Church of Satan?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 3:59 pm

Love is love.
Sugar is sugar.
God is Satan

Super sorry.
Didn’t realize that needed an /s tagger.
I thought it was obvious enough..

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 5:09 pm

Downvoters to your comment: Was that a bird?
No, it’s a plane!

…No… It’s sarcasm. Flew right over your heads. If it were a seagull at the beach, it coulda pooped right on your face and stole your french fries. You guys are getting old…

kiwi
kiwi
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 7:27 pm

yahweh is not god, but he is satan

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  kiwi
November 28, 2023 8:31 pm

Hey Kiwi. Can you please elaborate or provide a link or two on this? I’m genuinely interested. Thank you!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  kiwi
November 28, 2023 11:02 pm

Satan keeps transforming himself into a spirit of light.
Yahweh… ..is Satan.

I can see that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 28, 2023 10:01 am

I have read the replies. I am amazed how antisemitism can lead some people to believe the most outlandish bullshit.

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 10:35 am

And I’m amazed at the effects of Semitic brainwashing upon ignorant doofuses like you…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 10:53 am

You’re gonna need a bigger excuse.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:21 am

I don’t have the patience or the crayons to explain this to you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:49 am

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 12:18 pm

Why would anyone be against delivery trucks?

Without semis, the engine of the world would stop.

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 12:42 pm

You are so ignorant, you do not even know what a Semite is. The Palestinians are more Semite than the Zionist bastards that stole their land.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 2:24 pm

Zionists didn’t steal shit dumbass. That’s their land, it was taken from them, and they took it back. Deal with it. the Bible doesn’t mention Palestine.. It was still Israel no matter what the Romans called it And Islam didn’t exist when the Jews settled it. Palestinians have no right to Israeli land

Lost in Translation?
Lost in Translation?
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 2:52 pm

PALESTINE

PALESTINE

Palestine is the name commonly used for the land that in ancient times was known as Canaan. When the Israelites first occupied Canaan, they met some of their strongest opposition from the Philistines, the people from whom Palestine takes its name (see CANAAN; PHILISTIA). The natural boundaries of the land were the Mediterranean Sea in the west, the Jordan River in the east, the Lebanon Range in the north and the Sinai Desert in the south. The main physical features of Palestine ran approximately north-south in more or less parallel lines. Bordering the Mediterranean Sea was a coastal plain rising into an area of low foothills called the Shephelah, which rose further into the broad central mountains. These mountains then fell away into a deep valley called the Arabah, through the northern section of which flowed the Jordan River. East of Jordan the land rose sharply, then opened on to an uneven tableland. (For Palestine’s vegetation, animal life, climate and agriculture see ANIMALS; BIRDS; FARMING; FLOWERS; FOOD; TREES; WEATHER.)

Coastal plain

Palestine’s coastal plain, from the Phoenician town of Tyre in the north to the Israelite town of Gaza in the south, was about 220 kilometres in length. In Phoenicia, where the Lebanon Range was close to the coast, the plain was very narrow (see LEBANON; PHOENICIA), but south from Lebanon it gradually widened till interrupted by the Mt Carmel Range. Extending inland from the Mt Carmel Range to Jezreel was the Plain of Esdraelon, through which flowed the Kishon River (Judg 5:21; Hosea 1:5). From Jezreel the plain led into the Valley of Jezreel, which extended east as far as the town of Bethshan near the Jordan River. Other towns of the region were Jokneam, Megiddo, Ibleam and Shunem (Josh 17:11; 1 Sam 28:4; 1 Kings 4:12).”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Lost in Translation?
November 28, 2023 4:02 pm

Phoenician Sea peoples have run the world since before they invented the Israel origins story.

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 8:33 pm

Venice. Venetia. Phoenicia.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 10:29 pm

Wïk Phoenix
Wïk wïk Phenix.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  OfftheHingeZ
November 28, 2023 11:07 pm

Hyksos, Philistines, Sea Peoples, Tyreans, Syrians, etc.. ..

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 6:08 pm

In the Bible it belonged to people who were there LONG BEFORE Abram and his party of slaves and usury gained wealth left Ur.
Also in the Bible, Abram quarreled constantly with the locals who were probably pissed that this mother fucking tent dweller was running his animals roughshod over their fields, ruining thefarming nenvironment and digging holes all over the place for water.
Later, Abrams descendants deliberately corrupted the locals and murdered them all for being “sinners”

That is the pattern.

Do you recognize it yet?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 28, 2023 4:01 pm

Many people are anti semi’s.
For good cause,
How can you have great sex with a semi?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:05 pm

I was never an anti-Shemp~ite.
I did like Moe, Larry and Curley best, but Shemp was funny too.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 28, 2023 12:16 pm

We can remove the theological chokers our masters placed around our necks by using our brains to dissemble the lies they enslaved us with.

The most effective of which is “faith”
Faith in science.
Faith in politicians.
Faith in a god.
Faith in the system.

All faith is susceptable to the corruption of tradition creep.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:10 pm

New maxim:
“All faiths are susceptable to tradition creep.”

Arcayer
Arcayer
November 28, 2023 2:54 pm

Regarding the sort of argument of “If I don’t respond to threats, the other side won’t make them”, I find that this is not actually proper decision theory.

First off, Target’s original decision to ignore threats was premised on the idea that Terrorist will now not issue their threats, obviously Terrorist doesn’t like this, and, to discourage Target from reshaping itself to Terrorist’s detriment, Terrorist needs to ensure that Target predictably has lower utility by doing this.

Further, some entities can better shape themselves to ignore threats, in particular, super macro lifeforms, bureaucracies and governments, can tune out large portions of reality, while humans predictably cave to threats of torture, death and shame, and cannot reshape themselves to ignore these threats, nor would they be believed if they did.

As a result, governments play this game where it’s immoral to threaten them, because they’ll predictably ignore the threat, and then the terrorist has to go around minimizing everyone’s utility. But it’s perfectly fine for governments to threaten humans, because humans predictably give in to threats.

Obviously, humans just lose if they accept this moral paradigm.

No one has an obligation to give up and die, just because the opposition has shaped itself such that it’s unwilling to listen to their threats.

zappalives
zappalives
November 28, 2023 6:07 pm

Ask yourself………….what has israel done since its existence to advance humanity ?
Yeah……I couldnt think of anything either.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  zappalives
November 28, 2023 10:41 pm

The people of the Levant gave us:
●The Torah.
●Bible.
●Koran.
All created by the same people.
All used to justify the murders of “non believers”

And now? Science is as these “faiths”; not believeable or trustworthy.

How many billions have murdered how many other billions in the name of their preferred flavor of faith?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 28, 2023 11:11 pm

How many billions have murdered how many other billions in the name of their preferred flavor of faith?

Um, I’m gonna guess, all of them?