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I took our oldest to the “Splash” program for high schoolers at Yale yesterday. He enjoyed the workshops, one about the advertisement strategies that companies use to get you to buy stuff (rule of 4s etc) and about nutrition.
While he was in his lessons, I walked around the campus. It is beautiful, old, and exudes the aura of excellence. Or maybe it was just me who felt that way.
Then, a tour came by. I quickly scanned the participants and they were all 18 year olds with lanyards “Yale football” and their parents. The parents had no lanyards, so I figured I can blend in perfectly. I just casually followed them as if I was a football parents. The tour guide clearly was the Yale football coach. He focused very little on the buildings, the history and the academics, and very much on the schedule from Tue-Thur (video walkthroughs, meeting with coaches, afternoon practice), Friday charter flight to away games, stay in hotel, Sunday opportunity for worship and more practice. Monday is the player’s day off, which is a day for academics. One day! I noted to my husband that those kids have schedules like pros and the academics seem to be an afterthought. Coach also emphasized the Yale alumni network and how “we will be able to get you any internship or job you want.”
Maybe 20 or so of those football kids a year. Out of a couple thousand. And football more than pays its way. As opposed to say women’s soccer.
Agree with the premise.
After 2 years of college, our daughter did not get accepted to nursing school, she only applied to one (her bad). We told her to declare another major. She picked something that sounded like a yoga instructor. We told her she could not go back to college unless she picked a major that led to a real job with life sustainable income. Many tears later she picked a major that did that.
I wonder how many students spend 4 years and big money for some liberal idiot studies degree?
She should have focused on finding a good man and popping out kids, tbh.
She SHOULD have told her parents to go fuck themselves and followed her heart.
We get too soon old and too late smart.
Most.
I agree that most degree programs (say 90%) are a complete waste of money. I know plenty of people who went into debt thinking college was for them. But there are some degree programs that are necessary and pay off. I went to school for Computer Engineering. Got my Master’s degree. Banking over 200k a year, could be making more but I don’t want to manage people. One thing I will say is that the choice of school is an important factor in the debt people rack up. I mean that in a way outside of the societal norm where one must go to a fancy University with a $40,000 a year tuition. I went to a state school where the tuition was $6500 a year. I had hardly any debt. I work with people who went to big Universities and aren’t any smarter than I am (but in a lot of debt).
I told my kids…unless you plan to be in the medical field, lawyer (yuck), or engineering…I am not helping to pay for college. I also told them there will be no big University tuition either. Plus those Universities are the worse with their liberal bullshit. My daughter will probably be the only one college bound. I am pushing the boys into doing trade work. I am willing to invest into any business they want to get into. That is better than any college tuition.
Good plan imo.
This!!!
Last week, I happened to come across some people doing carpentry work on a historic building in town, a 60some year old guy and a 25 year old or so. So I asked if they might be looking for a helper some time. Our son wants to learn carpentry, but he is still a bit too young (for formal training).
To my surprise, the older guy turns to the younger and says “He is the one you want to talk to, he is the business owner.” Turns out that the 25 year old is a one man owner of his own carpentry business, just got his contruction supervisor license. He was super nice, gave me his business card and says he would love to talk and give him tips on how to approach it, even if he cannot support a helper, he will guide us on how to find someone who is willing to take on someone who is eager to learn.
Serious reply. I am 73 and have been building sailboats (30 60feet) and houses for over 50 years. I am building my own and last house now and would like to have a young helper this summer, for the help and to pass on some of what I know. I am in SE Idaho if interested. Ed
I am not ready to send a 14 year old half way around the country, but it sounds like he could learn a lot from you and in turn be a good helper. That would be the kind of summer that he would enjoy. Too far though.
Lawyers are a dime a dozen.
Never send your kids to law school.
Yes, it is a lot cheaper to rent a rotten slimy asshole than to buy a license to become one.
Guess you never have used lawyers much. If you have any reasonable problem, the cost can easily be more than the cost of a law degree. Way more. You really want to avoid hiring lawyers.
Lots of lawyers to be sure. However, where you go is most important. Yale law school grads won’t have the issue that run of the mill grads have.
I told my kids…unless you plan to be in the medical field, lawyer (yuck), or engineering
Sheesh. Hasn’t learned.
How about Environmental Engineer. It’s up and coming (climate change dontcha know). Plenty of govt jobs until you refuse an experimental injection.
Electrical, Civil, and Computer engineer come to mind. Very good fields.
Computer engineer? Really? If you are best of the best, sure. If you are anything else, not so much. Top software engineers make bank. Run of the mill ones not so much.
There was a saying that I heard when I was young. It was “College is nothing but a nightclub with a $50,000 cover charge”.
If you’re paying for private college for a child or grandchild. And they are playing division 3 college sports.
You are a sucker who is paying 100K a year just so the kid can play club sports. Then that kid gets a job that doesn’t require a college degree.
If your kid goes to college make them pay half.
They have to have skin in the game.
One can’t help but imagine that would lead to more positive outcomes. Probably some serious adult conversations as well. Not seeing a down side there.
Where are they gonna get $180k?
Anal mouse
Exactly my point.
NCAA Division 3 colleges do not have or offer athletic scholarships.
Just throw something out there, not knowing what you are talking about……
Is that how you practice accounting?
I’m thinking you are a shitty accountant and demanding payment for your services is cruel.
Assumes facts not in evidence. His point was clearly that if you send your kids to a school where they play Div 3 – div 3 are small private schools with no scholarships – so they can play sports, you are wasting your money.
In fact, any small private school, with few exceptions, will be a waste of money.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=huhFY-piWk4&pp=ygUYUHJpdmF0ZSBjb2xsZWdlcyBjbG9zaW5n
Private college going bankrupt across the country.
It’s about time these grifters got what’s coming to them.
NOT becoming a debt slave to (((banks))) is anti-semetic and should be made illegal.
I’m a Cowboy. On a steel horse I ride, and I’m wanted…wanted…Dead or Alive.
In general Gen Z has shown themselves to not need 4 years of college to become dumbass Marxist tools.
The average student debt for 4 years is something like $32,000. It Was $15,000 just a few years ago. That is not insurmountable debt. It’s the price of a new car. Hype for a few idiots who way overdid. Another squirrel. Maybe they don’t want people to go to school as the winds can change fast and very quickly one could start examining their programming.
That’s not to say it’s worth it, however.
The illegals are going to take over the no need for education jobs. Only need so many able to run a backpack blower. My two daughters went through the universities in highly technical fields, well worth the cost for me and them. No low IQ person will ever be able to do their careers.
The monkey see monkey do type training can only go so far.
You had girls, they were never going to have a working monkey job. Instead, their default would have been indoor monkey pretend jobs. There is a limit to how high an IQ can be that still believes in education or careerism in the current System.
Just wondering, why is it that women don’t want more grandkids?
Go ask your boyfriend. Maybe he works serving up coffee at a Starbucks and is so tired he can only give you a handjob at night.
Every field of any worth has some kind of a test to take to be licensed. The state has made it that way. That is why most will never be a plumber or electrician or anything else but only the helper, always working as the underling. Most people can not even read, much less understand what they have read.
I’m a man and taught my daughters to love Jesus so my wife is not worried a bit about future grandchildren, come what may.
They know how to shoot pistols also.
Nice Christian talking about handjobs and such. Hypocrite.
Glad to see Ginger knows not a frigging thing about being a tradesman.
If you can keep debt to $32k for college, that isn’t a major issue, unless it is Black Women’s Studies.
It was the last or 2d last quarter of my BBA in accounting (minor in Economics) that the professor in a capstone course told us about the secret to all of it: KISS. I immediately raised my hand and asked him why he or another professor in the B School hadn’t told us that first quarter of college. He said that we’d have realized that we’d never have to come back to school — that we’d have known the secret to the whole program.
What a revelation …
Folks here also missed the real cause of tuition inflation: taxpayer-backed student loan programs … you know, the kind where, say, an idiot in the White House who wants to get re-elected, promises to forgive student loans in exchange for their lifetime votes.
AI is going to put most accountants out of a job. That and the ability to send accounting work overseas, where in general the accountants are both smarter, and far cheaper.
My first accounting professor was from Pakistan … had been brought into the profession by the British system of triple-entry bookkeeping (not double-entry that we use in the US).
I was pretty bad at that first course … I could always end up with my financial statements and such in balance — all of my debts equalled my credits — but the number was always wrong.
He told me that that shouldn’t happen … that the only way the debits would equal the credits was if the final number was correct. I asked him if he’d ever heard of financial fraud … of cooking the books … told him that that’s what they do in those instances — and, yet, everything always balances, just not to the right number.
Foreign accountants may be cheaper … but I see no basis to consider them ‘smarter’ …
Yeah. That right there is exactly where “you get what you pay for” falls on its ass. Are we learning yet?
Face plant, scorpion fail.
“You get what you get” and “buyer beware” are going to be the “norm” going forward. They always were for the smarter crowd!
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I told my kids to get into the cemetery ,mortician business . Gonna be a whole lot of dying going on.
Mortician? Fuck that. Down the road most people won’t have the money to spend on something so stupid anyway.
Buy a furnace and a license and start a crematorium. $$$
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