The Clinton Investigation Enters a Dangerous Phase

Hat tip Francis Marion

Guest Post by Andrew Napolitano

The FBI investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s failure to protect state secrets contained in her emails has entered its penultimate phase, and it is a dangerous one for her and her aides.

Federal law enforcement sources have let it be known that federal prosecutors and the FBI have completed their examination of raw data in the case. After the FBI acquires raw data — for example, the nature and number of the state secrets in the emails Clinton failed to protect or the regular, consistent, systematic nature of that failure — prosecutors and agents proceed to draw rational inferences from that data.

Then they proceed to corroborate those inferences, looking for other sources to support or even to contradict them. With one exception, all of this work has been done with neutral sources of evidence — documents, email metadata, government records and technical experts.

The exception is Bryan Pagliano, the one member of Clinton’s inner circle who, with either a written promise of non-prosecution or an order of immunity from a federal judge, began to cooperate with federal prosecutors last fall.

Here is what he told the feds.

Pagliano has explained to federal prosecutors the who, what, when, how and why he migrated an open State Department email stream and a secret State Department email stream from government computers to Clinton’s secret server in her home in Chappaqua, New York. He has told them that Clinton paid him $5,000 to commit that likely criminal activity.

He has also told some of the 147 FBI agents assigned to this case that Clinton herself was repeatedly told by her own State Department information technology experts and their colleagues at the National Security Agency that her persistent use of her off-the-shelf BlackBerry was neither an effective nor an acceptable means of receiving, transmitting or safeguarding state secrets. Little did they know how reckless she was with government secrets, as none was apparently then aware of her use of her non-secure secret server in Chappaqua for all of her email uses.

We know that the acquisition and corroboration phase of the investigation have been completed because the prosecutors have begun to ask Clinton’s top aides during her time as secretary of state to come in for interviews. This is a delicate and dangerous phase for the aides, all of whom have engaged counsel to represent them.

Here are the dangers.

The Department of Justice will not reveal to the aides or their lawyers what it knows about the case or what evidence of criminal wrongdoing, if any, it has acquired on each of them. Hence, if they submit to an FBI interview, they will go in “blind.” By going in blind, the aides run the risk of getting caught in a “perjury trap.” Though not under oath, they could be trapped into lying by astute prosecutors and aggressive FBI agents, as it is a crime — the equivalent of perjury — to lie to them or materially mislead them.

For this reason, most white-collar criminal defense lawyers will not permit their clients to be interviewed by any prosecutors or FBI agents. Martha Stewart’s lawyers failed to give her that advice, and she went to prison for one lie told in one conversation with one FBI agent.

After interviewing any Clinton aides who choose to be interviewed, the DOJ personnel on the case will move their investigation into its final phase, in which they will ask Clinton herself whether she wishes to speak with them. The prosecutors will basically tell her lawyers that they have evidence of the criminal behavior of their client and that before they present it to a grand jury, they want to afford Clinton an opportunity blindly to challenge it.

This will be a moment she must devoutly wish would pass from her as she will face a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t dilemma.

Here is her dilemma.

If she were to talk to federal prosecutors and FBI agents, they would catch her in many inconsistencies as she has spoken with great deception in public about this case. She has, for example, stated many times that she used the private server so she could have one mobile device for all of her emails. The FBI knows she had four mobile devices. She has also falsely claimed publicly and under oath that she neither sent nor received anything “marked classified.” The FBI knows that nothing is marked classified, and its agents also know that her unprotected secret server transmitted some of the nation’s gravest secrets.

The prosecutors and agents cannot be happy about her public lies and her repeated demeaning attitude about their investigation, and they would have an understandable animus toward her if she were to meet with them.

If she were to decline to be interviewed — a prudent legal but treacherous political decision — the feds would leak her rejection of their invitation, and political turmoil would break loose because one of her most imprudent and often repeated public statements, in this case, has been that she can’t wait to talk to the FBI. That’s a lie, and the FBI knows it.

Some Democrats who now understand the gravity of the case against Clinton have taken to arguing lately that the feds should establish a different and higher bar — a novel and unknown requirement for a greater quantum of evidence and proof of a heavier degree of harm — before Clinton can be prosecuted. They have suggested this merely because she is the likely Democratic presidential nominee.

The public will never stand for that. America has a bedrock commitment to the rule of law. The rule of law means that no one is beneath the law’s protections or above its requirements. The DOJ is not in the business of rewriting the law, but the Democrats should get in the business of rethinking Clinton’s status as their presumptive presidential nominee, lest a summer catastrophe come their way.

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2016 7:10 am

I would love to think that the rule of law still applies to everyone, but time and experience have demonstrated, again and again, that this is not the case. What troubles me more than the fact that the system is thoroughly corrupted is how casually the majority of Americans have come to accept it.

Vodka
Vodka
April 1, 2016 7:24 am

I predict that Obama pardons her, stating that it was an ‘inadvertent error’ or some other such bullshit.

Hollow man
Hollow man
April 1, 2016 7:30 am

If she gets on any trouble I will eat a sirloin steak cooked to perfection with a baked sweet tater. Wait I will do it it anyway. Even if for some odd reason they decide to give the nomination to someone else she will still be pardoned for all she has done for the country.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 1, 2016 7:36 am

Even if she gets prosecuted and convicted she’ll get the same favorable treatment as mob bosses.

Tom Shirk
Tom Shirk
April 1, 2016 8:00 am

She needs to be remanded over to the custod of the United States Disciplinary Barracks, Ft Levanworth, KS to sack groceries in the commissary for the next 30 years……

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 1, 2016 8:21 am

The only Hillary gets charged for anything (before the election) is if the establishment sees a real chance she will get the nomination but not be able to defeat the Republican candidate.

Something I consider unlikely, I doubt any Republican, even Trump, would have an easy time defeating her with the automatic votes of the illegals, the dead, the Muslims, the double voters, etc. automatically going to her (or Sanders if he gets it).

Further, if Trump is shut out by deceitful and treacherous means, I doubt most of his supporters will vote at all or will vote third party candidate instead (as I will). They have woken up and see no difference in the Establishment control of all the others that they will not support with their votes.

IMO

TC
TC
April 1, 2016 8:23 am

Anyone hoping for a prosecution here is worse than poor Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. This crusty old dirtbag and her drecrepit bag of meat husband are above the law.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
April 1, 2016 8:30 am

I’m with HSF, I still cite an earlier poll the 53% of the Clinton supporters will still vote for her even if indicted. So many people are so stupid and the vast majority vapid feminists will vote with their vagina and have openly stated such.
Bob.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 1, 2016 8:55 am

Yohimbo,

Not just the Obama Administration, her knowledge if pretty all encompassing for everything happening during the last several decades.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 1, 2016 8:59 am

They say, “You can indict a ham sandwich” but Hitlery, not so much.

Embrace the doom !

Persnickety
Persnickety
April 1, 2016 9:44 am

“America has a bedrock commitment to the rule of law.”

Once upon a time, long long ago, in a galaxy far, far away…

(I do however understand how Napolitano can’t openly say what I’m sure he knows to be true.)

card802
card802
April 1, 2016 9:46 am

April Fools!!

overthecliff
overthecliff
April 1, 2016 10:15 am

Judge Napolitano is well versed in the law and techniques of its enforcers. However he is totally wrong about the rule of law. It is pure propaganda bullshit that the laws applies to everyone equally. People who have money and are on the inside are treated differently than regular people. General Petreaus and Scooter Libbey light sentences, Joe Blow 20 years hard labor on Devils Island for the same or lesser crime.

Greg in NC
Greg in NC
April 1, 2016 10:28 am

If the FBI got word of a citizen possibly hacking into goobermint servers and taking secret info, I am sure that citizen’s door would be kicked in by sunset and him imprisoned indefinitely. No “examination of raw data”, no “proceed to draw rational inferences from that data”, and no communication from them asking “whether or not you would like to speak with them”. I don’t really see any difference in the crimes other than she tunneled out and he tunneled in. They both hacked the computer system.

The rule of law only pertains to the peasants and if you think otherwise you are suffering from willful ignorance.

Tiwimon
Tiwimon
April 1, 2016 12:21 pm

I for one am hoping that an indictment is pending but delayed only so we can get past the point where Obama could pardon Hitlery

BUT I don’t think you can pardon until they have been found guilty and at this point a trial would be well past Obama’s term is up

Who knows why its taken so long – maybe the Just Us [Justice] department is the issue and not the FBI at this point but to any logical person, indictments should have been rolled out well before now

David
David
April 1, 2016 4:56 pm

Hillary has all the info the FBI does as there are sure to be Obama/Clinton plants or those who want a step up under a new administration so there will be no blind interview.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
April 1, 2016 6:43 pm

Outwardly, she obviously thinks the rules don’t apply to her because, after all, she’s Hillary Clinton.

Inwardly, she’s gotta be nervous as a bowl on jello in an earthquake.

She’s much more a traitor to her country than either Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden.

monger
monger
April 1, 2016 7:54 pm

Hillary , too big to jail

Ed
Ed
April 1, 2016 7:56 pm

“BUT I don’t think you can pardon until they have been found guilty and at this point a trial would be well past Obama’s term is up”

Read up on Gerald Ford.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 1, 2016 8:32 pm

The rule of law is only applied to us little people.

However, it might be convenient to TPTB for Hitlery to end up in prison because it’s easier to bump her off there.

Personally I hope the bitch chokes to death on her own sputum while giving another speech to Goldman Sachs.

cynic
cynic
April 1, 2016 9:02 pm

I just saw on CNN where she just got arrested for treason . Wait , what day is today ? Nm .

Danny Vestal
Danny Vestal
April 3, 2016 12:28 pm

The Justice Department, FBI & Court System are corrupt else they would have indicted the Bush & Obama administrations for 9/11 and war crimes years ago.