THE AGE OF MAMMON (Featured Article)

“Financiers – like bank robbers – do not create wealth. They merely distribute it. While the mob may idolize holdup men in good times, in the bad times it lynches them. What they will do to the new money men when their blood is up, we wait eagerly to find out.”  – Mobs, Messiahs and Markets

  

As our economy hurtles towards its meeting with destiny, the political class seeks to assign blame on their enemies for this Greater Depression. The Republicans would like you to believe that Bill Clinton, Robert Rubin, Chris Dodd, and Barney Frank and their Community Reinvest Act caused the collapse of our financial system. Democrats want you to believe that George Bush and his band of unregulated free market capitalists created a financial disaster of epic proportions. The truth is that America has been captured by a financial class that makes no distinction between parties. These barbarians have sucked the life out of a once productive nation by raping and pillaging with impunity while enriching only them. They live in 20,000 square foot $10 million mansions in Greenwich, CT and in $3 million dollar penthouses on Central Park West.

These are the robber barons that represent the Age of Mammon. The greed, avarice, gluttony and acute materialism of these American traitors has not been seen in this country since the 1920’s. The hedge fund managers and Wall Street bank executives that occupy the mansions and penthouses evidently don’t find much time to read the bible in their downtime from raping and pillaging the wealth of the middle class. There are cocktail parties and $5,000 a plate political “fundraisers” to attend. You can’t be cheap when buying off your protection in Washington DC.

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Mammon.Matthew 6:19-21,24

It seems that Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, may have been overstating the case in saying his firm is doing God’s work. With his $67.9 million compensation in 2007 and payment of $20.2 billion to his co-conspirators, Blankfein appears to be a proverbial camel trying to pass through the eye of a needle. This compensation was paid in the year before the financial collapse brought on by the criminal actions of Lloyd and his fellow henchmen. After having his firm bailed out by the American middle class taxpayer at the behest of  fellow Goldman alumni Hank Paulson, Lloyd practiced his version of austerity by cutting compensation for his flock to only $16.2 billion ($500,000 per employee) in 2009. I’m all for people making as much money as they can for doing a good job. But, I ask you – What benefits have Goldman Sachs, the other Wall Street banks, and hedge funds provided for America?

Never have so few, done so little, and made so much, while screwing so many.

In 2005, the top 25 hedge fund managers “earned” $9 billion, or an average of $360 million. One year after a financial collapse caused by the financial innovations peddled by Wall Street, the top 25 hedge fund managers paid themselves $25 billion, or an average of $1 billion a piece. For some perspective, there were 7 million unemployed Americans in 2006. Today there are 14.6 million unemployed Americans. While the country plunges deeper into Depression, the barbarians pick up the pace of their plundering and looting of the remaining wealth of the nation. Bill Bonner and Lila Rajiva pointed out a basic truth in 2007, before the financial collapse.

“On the Forbes list of rich people, you will find hedge fund managers in droves, but no one who made his money as a hedge fund client.” – Mobs, Messiahs and Markets

Ask the clients of Bernie Madoff how they are doing.

1920’s Redux

The parallels between the period leading up to the Great Depression and our current situation leading to a Greater Depression are revealing. When you examine the facts without looking through the prism of party politics it becomes clear that when the wealth and power of the country are overly concentrated in the clutches of the top 1% wealthiest Americans, financial collapse and depression follow. This concentration of income and wealth did not cause the Stock Market Crash of 1929 or the financial system implosion in 2008, but they were a symptom of a sick system of warped incentives. The top 1% of income earners were raking in 24% of all the income in America in 1928. After World War II until 1980, the top 1% of income earners consistently took home between 9% and 11% of all income in the country. During the 1950’s and 1960’s when average Americans made tremendous strides in their standard of living, the top 1% were earning 10% of all income. A hard working high school graduate could rise into the middle class, owning a home and a car.

From 1980 onward, the top 1% wealthiest Americans have progressively taken home a greater and greater percentage of all income. It peaked at 22% in 1999 at the height of the internet scam. Wall Street peddled IPOs of worthless companies to delusional investors and siphoned off billions in fees and profits. The rich cut back on their embezzling of our national wealth for a year and then resumed despoiling our economic system by taking advantage of the Federal Reserve created housing boom. By 2007, the top 1% again was taking home 24% of the national income, just as they did in 1928. When the wealth of the country is captured by a small group of ruling elite through fraudulent means, collapse and crisis becomes imminent. We have experienced the collapse, while the crisis deepens.

It’s Good To Be the King

The Wall Street oligarchs  were able to accumulate an ever increasing portion of corporate profits by inventing securitization, interest-rate swaps, and credit-default swaps which swelled the volume of transactions that bankers could make money on. These products were originally introduced as a means for corporations to hedge their risks. Wall Street shysters chose to use their “creative” financial products to build the biggest gambling casino in the history of the world. They functioned as the house, siphoning off billions in profits, but then got caught up in the hysteria and placed billions of bets themselves. This resulted in the financial industry generating 41% of all business profits in 2007. From World War II through 1980, financial industry profits ranged between 10% and 15%. Simon Johnson explains the despicable hijacking that has taken place since then.

From 1973 to 1985, the financial sector never earned more than 16 percent of domestic corporate profits. In 1986, that figure reached 19 percent. In the 1990s, it oscillated between 21 percent and 30 percent, higher than it had ever been in the postwar period. This decade, it reached 41 percent. Pay rose just as dramatically. From 1948 to 1982, average compensation in the financial sector ranged between 99 percent and 108 percent of the average for all domestic private industries. From 1983, it shot upward, reaching 181 percent in 2007. 

The original robber barons amassed huge personal fortunes, typically through the use of anti-competitive business practices. These well known titans of industry included Henry Ford, Andrew Carnage, John D. Rockefeller, and JP Morgan. They may have practiced questionable business ethics, but they did create wealth while benefitting the country as a whole. They introduced the automobile, provided the nation with steel, produced the oil that powered our economy, and brought order to industrial chaos of the day. It seems their fortunes were built by creating rather than destroying.

The disgustingly rich Wall Street wheeler dealers who live in Greenwich CT and NYC and summer in the Hamptons have created nothing. Their immense wealth has been created through draining the economic system of its lifeblood. Their financial innovations have created no lasting benefit for our society. Wall Street knowingly created no documentation (liar loans) mortgage loans, Option ARM loans, and subprime loans. You do not create products that beg for fraud unless you want fraud. The packaging of these fraudulent mortgages into CDOs and CDSs by Wall Street’s crime machine benefitted Wall Street only. Those who got the loans defaulted, lost the homes, and had their credit ruined. Wall Street financiers have lured the American public into debt with easy credit and a marketing machine geared to convince the average Joe that he could live just like the rich. Simon Johnson explained the phenomena in a recent article.  

 
“Excessive consumer debt is an outcome of prolonged inequality – in trying to remain middle class, too many people borrowed too much, while unscrupulous lenders were only too willing to take advantage of such people.” 
 

You Call This Capitalism?

Capitalism is supposed to be an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and operated for profit; decisions regarding supply, demand, price, distribution, and investments are not made by the government; Profit is distributed to owners who invest in businesses, and wages are paid to workers employed by businesses. The American economy is in no way a free market capitalistic system. It has become a oligarchic consumer capitalist society that is manipulated, in a deliberate and coordinated way, on a very large scale, through mass-marketing techniques, to the advantage of Wall Street and mega-corporations.

When you hear the Wall Street class on CNBC argue against tax increases for the rich, they hark to the fact that small businesses would be hurt most by the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. There are 6 million small businesses in the US, with 90% of them employing less than 20 employees. These are not the rich. The vast majority of these businesses earn less than $1 million per year. There are only about 134,000 people in America who make on average $2.5 million per year. There are another 600,000 people who make on average $760,000 per year. Out of a workforce of 150 million, less than 1 million rake in over $750,000 per year. These are not small businesses. They are the Wall Street elite, corporate CEOs and the privileged classes that control the power in NYC and Washington DC.

The following charts clearly show that  perverse incentives in the US financial system that have allowed corporate executives to reap ungodly pay packages, while the middle class workers who do the day after day heavy lifting in corporations have been treated like dogs. Considering the S&P 500, which measures the stock returns of the 500 largest companies in the U.S., has returned 0% for the last 12 years, the CEOs of these companies should be slightly embarrassed paying themselves 300 times as much as their average workers. Not in the age of mammon. Big time CEOs are rock stars. Outrageous pay packages are a medal of honor in a world where humility and true honor don’t exist.

The Depression that currently is engulfing the nation was 30 years in the making. The criminal Wall Street financiers are the modern day John Dilingers. They have mastered the art of stealing from the masses while convincing these same people that they should admire them because they are rich. This is the oddity about Americans as pointed out by Bill Bonner and Lila Rajiva.

“The poor genuinely believe the rich are better than they are. They are smarter and better educated. The poor even support low tax rates for the rich, as long as they have a lurking chance of joining them.” –   Mobs, Messiahs and Markets

The truth is that the poor have no chance of joining the the rich. The game is rigged. The poor have admired the rich for decades. But, hard times have arrived. And they are about to get harder. The rich have armed guards to keep the poor at bay. They will need an army of guards before this crisis subsides.

Leonard Cohen sums it up perfectly in his song Everybody Knows:

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

 

  
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Persnickety
Persnickety
August 29, 2010 11:55 pm

Terrific article, Jim.

SSS
SSS
August 30, 2010 1:26 am

Admin

A tour de force. But I have a question, based on what you said.

“The original robber barons amassed huge personal fortunes, typically through the use of anti-competitive business practices. These well known titans of industry included Henry Ford, Andrew Carnage, John D. Rockefeller, and JP Morgan. They may have practiced questionable business ethics, but they did create wealth while benefitting the country as a whole. They introduced the automobile, provided the nation with steel, produced the oil that powered our economy, and brought order to industrial chaos of the day. It seems their fortunes were built by creating rather than destroying.”

This is not a question of “seems” to have created wealth because IMO the so-called robber barons DID create enormous wealth. Their industries made stuff, they grew, and millions of jobs were created. Life got better. I grew up in a town where people made stuff (the machine and tool industry). If you weren’t a farmer, you made stuff. My town advertised itself as “The Crossroads of Agriculture and Industry.”

Let’s switch to today. Very few wealthy people make stuff. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are primary examples. Two of the three richest animals on the planet who don’t make a fucking thing except software programs and an investment program. Apple’s Steve Jobs at least makes stuff. The rest of our “robber barons” live in NYC and DC.

Here’s my solution and question. First, I would cut off any further federal support to the TBTF banks and businesses (AIG, etc) in NYC. It is NYC which should be absolutely dying today, not Main Street America. NYC is the most corrupt and dangerous threat to liberty in the country.

On to the question. What would you do?

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
August 30, 2010 11:35 am

SSS

I’d take the Depression like a man. Own up to our mistakes, take the medicine, and try to right this sinking ship. Spending needs to be slashed. No one would be spared. Scrap the entire tax system and make it consumption based. Bring ALL the troops home. Place a good chunk of them on the Arizona/Mexico border. There is no way to avoid immense pain.

Lastly, and most importantly, decriminalize pot. We are going to need to be high to get through the next 10 years.

J
J
August 30, 2010 2:13 am

Right!,Right! Now what? Wait for Robin Hood to come along and do justice for the masses.
The slave owner cared for his slaves,the feudal cared for his vassals, the capitalist cared for his workers.They all depended upon the masses for their wealth.The swindler rulers of our day don’t give a f%#$k about the masses.They now own enough to live in their guarded castles for the next 1000 years.They simply don’t need the masses anymore.Thus the masses are going to be reduced in great number and what is left of it will be put on a short leash.

llpoh
llpoh
August 30, 2010 4:30 am

SSS – Although I tend to be in agreement with you in general terms as a rule, referencing Gates and Buffett I disagree. I believe that software is in fact “stuff” – and is at times very valuable stuff indeed. I don’t like the monopoly power Microsoft has acummulated but that is another matter. Re Buffett, he is indeed an investor. Through his career he has generally concentrated his investing on companies that make stuff. I think therefore he qualifies as making stuff.I own a manufacturing company but I don’t work on the factory floor. I have grown and managed the business and I think that qualifies me as a maker. Unfortunately Buffett has shown other less agreeable traits, especially in recent years
With regard to the comment in the article that the poor cannot become rich, it depends on the definition of rich. If it means billions then the statement is largely true. If rich is a personal wealth of a few million then the statement is false. It is still possible to become reasonably wealthy but the odds have worsened substantially.
I despise the absurd salaries of the financial class as much as the next man. However, unskilled and poorly educated persons can no longer expect middle class wages in a global market. This is clearly evidenced by the unepmploymet levels of unskilled male whites. As a result this group is doomed to be relatively worse off and a shift in income way from them into more skilled and better educated hands is to be expected.
The world is becoming an increasingly grim place. Being unskilled and uneducated will be a recipe for a life of poverty. No point in blaming the better prepared for the plight of the short sighted.

somebody
somebody
August 30, 2010 5:11 am

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StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 30, 2010 8:26 am

Interesting ….

1) Mammon — a biblical term for money

2) Quoting Matt:6:19-24 … about laying up treasures in heaven

And the point is???

The point is, the Age of Mammon has been with us for at least the past 2,000+ years …. according to the very Scriptures quoted.

Today is NO different. Perhaps the only difference is the SCALE the worship of mammon has reached. But make no mistake, even Jesus realized via his parable that most humans love money more than God. Always have … always will.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 30, 2010 8:34 am

SSS —

I’m going to have to agree with llpoh that Gates produces stuff with his software.

A million or so lines of code just in Excel is certainly stuff. When people shell out bucks to buy his software they are certainly buying SOMETHING … rather than nothing.

No, he’s not actually “manufacturing” anything in the traditional sense, such as a Model-T or a Corsair fighter ………… but that’s sooooo 20th century man! We’re in the Information Age now!

Care to modify your views …. or explain them?

Administrator
Administrator
  StuckInNJ
August 30, 2010 11:43 am

Without Bill Gates the Harvard MBAs on Wall Street wouldn’t have been able to create the models that spun subprime pieces of shit into bars of gold.

Smokey
Smokey
August 30, 2010 10:31 am

Nice article that provides needed context for the new normal of the middle class taking it up the ass from the political whores who are in bed with the financial elite thieves. There is not a fucking thing in the world wrong with wealth or even extreme wealth that is earned legitimately. But there is now in this country a WHOPPER of a problem with laws being bent, changed, overlooked or ignored to enrich a small minority of people at the expense of the rest of society. Articles like this resonate with pissed of people in the underclass who can identify very well with the content of the post. Zero Hedge is also keenly aware of the broad daylight fucking of the middle class, which is why they immediately run with this article on their site too. Which surely has David Pierre crying to his mommy.

John
John
August 30, 2010 11:56 am

Jesus was preaching against the upper-class Jews of his day, and they killed him for rocking their boat. “Laying up treasures upon earth” has always been the Jewish way. What else did Lloyd Blankfein mean when he said that GS is “doing God’s work”?

Derek
Derek
August 30, 2010 1:10 pm

Great piece. Many, many historians and decent economists have warned for years that a bloated financial sector outpacing actual industry is a sign of the demise of an empire. For a great read about the topic, Kevin Phillips “American Theocracy.” Great book that sounded the warning a few years ago (and even that was repeating warnings from other ignored authorities).

SSS
SSS
August 30, 2010 6:28 pm

OK, fine, I’ll bend on Bill Gates, but not Buffett.

My point about making stuff is valid.

I went to Ace Hardware a couple of weeks to buy some wire mesh fencing and fence posts to put around my wife’s tomato and herb garden, which was doing nothing but fattening up fucking rabbits for the coyotes to eat. Both the wire mesh and iron posts were made in China.

The only steel mill on Earth which makes nuclear reactor shields is in fucking Japan. But we’ve got the planet covered in one area. Yessiree, Bob. If you want to buy a pinball machine, you’ll have to order it from a maufacturing plant in Illinois. It’s the only one on Earth. This shit just makes my blood boil.

And I saw your comment on marijuana, Admin. You’ll start smoking pot right about the same time I have an opportunity to jump Sarah Palin’s bones.

Smokey
Smokey
August 30, 2010 6:31 pm

Slowest day ever for the internet connection on this site. If it worked properly, this article would probably have at least 150 comments by now. This site is beyond ready for ICU and should be put on life support. Either it is fixed / replaced or that’s the end of TBP.

Administrator
Administrator
  Smokey
August 30, 2010 9:04 pm

Smokey

Lloyd Blankfein has ordered his minions to destroy me and my website.

Gemini
Gemini
August 30, 2010 6:51 pm

I was promised a pop culture themed article, on the Talking Heads, I believe. Apparently the popularity of your last few articles has inspired you to continue spitting out the same boring fact based economic analysis that I could get from your side board.
You should title this one “Jim Quinn sells out his creativity for 5000 members” 🙂

Seriously, that was a great read. I have a folder on my computer where I stick all the stuff that explains what the fuck happened in a way that anyone who doesn’t know shit about the financial system can understand. This is going into it, with a few other of your more, entertaining articles…

SSS, I am in love with the space program. I want to get the hell off this womb planet and build a moon base. I want to fuck my wife in zero G. I want to send my grand kids of to college on mars. But I’m willing to scrap that part of the budget, in addition to the Administrators suggestions.

Administrator
Administrator
  Gemini
August 30, 2010 9:08 pm

Gemini

The Talking Heads article is under way. I started a Green Day article called Static Age 3 months ago.

Dave
Dave
August 30, 2010 6:53 pm

I think when 19 motherfucking islamists flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon and a PA field, it had the intended effect of bringing down the economy. In response, the government felt obliged to spend huge fucking amounts of fake money, not only to pump up the economy, but in creating new bureacracies like security and homeland defense and wars. All this money created many of the mammon tit suckers spoken about above. Not all of course, but many. Now all the Islam fuckers have to do is sit back and keep us scared and they win. At least in their economic war.

Administrator
Administrator
  Dave
August 30, 2010 9:12 pm

Dave

I think that was Osama’s plan all along and we fell for it.

LLPOH
LLPOH
August 30, 2010 8:28 pm

SSS – Steve “buy my shit even if it don’t work I better hurry up and put something else on the market before the suckers wise up no you can’t have a white one because we can’t figure out how to make it” Jobs doesn’t make stuff – he makes stinking piles of shit and flogs them to the sheeple. Apple could serve as the fucking poster child for what is wrong with the western world.

Buffet has invested billions in manufacturing companies. That sure as hell is making stuff. He has taken a major u-turn in recent years, and has of course become a self-serving bastard. But my understanding is he has never sold a single share of his stock. The US needs more investors in manufacturing, and I give him credit for that. He can stick his forays into insurance and hedge funds up his ass, tho.

jmarz
jmarz
August 30, 2010 10:00 pm

Jim,

Great article! Keep them coming….

Gemini
Gemini
August 30, 2010 10:42 pm

heheheh…
If its anything I understand Its a procrastinator.
Very well. I demand my article by the end of the week or I’ll start uploading goatse pics.

SSS
SSS
August 30, 2010 10:54 pm

LLPOH

Uh, oh. We’re in a pissing contest about Steve Jobs and Warren Buffett. Fine, we disagree.

Perhaps I shouldn’t have gotten too specific about super-wealthy people in America today, but I was trying to point out what Calvin Coolidge said when he was president, “The business of America is business.” When it comes to our economy, I would hope that most Americans understand that and agree with it.

Can we agree that Lloyd Blankfein is the Shitstick Poster Child of what’s wrong with today’s economy?

LLPOH
LLPOH
August 30, 2010 11:23 pm

SSS – I am feeling down-right cranky today. I’ll defer to your Emmy award winning Shitstick nomination, but Apple still pisses me off. (Smokey – if you are out there, I am in fine fettle, so if you want to help me select some socialist fuckwit to make cry, I’m in.)

I am having a battle with a local government over a town planning issue at the moment, for something that has been in place for 30 years, and I am ropable. Unfortunately the business of business these days is fighting fucking bureaucrats, and making a profit is secondary. I swear I am tempted to throw in the towel, and see how they’d like another 100 or so jobs to go to China. I will eventually overcome the roadblocks, but I am getting too old to keep battling the bastards (it ain’t the years but the mileage). Between trying to keep my multinational customers happy, keep up with the red-tape, comply with EPA and safety regs, be government tax collector, and keep my darling employees working instead of on the net (that’s my fucking prerogative!), I don’t get to have a lot of fun. At this stage, I have enough “get fucked” money, and it is getting increasingly tempting to use it.

One of my managers wanted to buy in to the business. Until he realized he would have to take a pay cut (his wage is more than mine), put his house on the line, and go without a return for a few years while he paid off the loan. Really what he wanted was for me to simply give him some equity. Like hell.

Anyway, as you can see, I am in a ranting mood. The example above indicates that there is still opportunity for the “poor” to get rich (the manager in question isn’t poor, but he won’t ever get rich), but there is a general unwillingness to make the sacrifices necessary to reach up to the next rung. They prefer to have “free shit”. The hell with it. Back to my drink – Laphroaig. Mmmm.

SSS
SSS
August 31, 2010 12:49 am

LLPOH

That’s about the most depressing comment I’ve read on this site. It’s like something I read in a chapter of Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged.”

Please tell me you live in some place like San Francisco and not Bowling Green, Kentucky. If it’s Bowling Green, I’m buying more gold, silver, and a shitload of canned soup.

LLPOH
LLPOH
August 31, 2010 1:40 am

SSS – my partner and I call it being “incrementalized”. The bastards slowly, steadily and with malice crush you under ever more layers of paper and taxes, and customers (auto/truck) screw you on quality, then fuck you on price with the Chinks. There is but a grim future for small manufacturers. We are on the outskirts of a large city – not one you mentioned – problems are the same everywhere.
As an example, a friend of mine in an allied industry was being screwed unto broke by his customer. He took his fucking books – all of them – into his auto industry customer. The customer told him – ahah, I see your problem. You owe to much money and your margins are too low. No price increase for you until you pay off your loans and fix your margins.
As God is my witness, the VP of a multinational actually said this. My friend closed his business the next day. He had a couple hundred employees. He made more renting out his factories than he did trying to run a business
What a future we face. .

Again, apologies for the funk. Garcon, more Scotch!

Debra
Debra
August 31, 2010 3:47 am

So… what interested me in this article is the artful way that you have woven the biblical references in…
Our PURITAN ancestors in England were asking themselves THE SAME QUESTIONS that you, I, and others are asking in this article. And they were arguing with, and through the Bible, too…
From the biblical quote you just gave, the problem is IDOLATRY (of ANYTHING, and not just Mammon, but we’ll get back to that. Our Biblical heritage/tradition warns against ALL idolatry).
Our ancestors FOUGHT RELIGIOUS WARS (and yes, they were RELIGIOUS too, not “JUST” political, economic, whatever, contrary to our limited knowledge and belief) about idolatry AND WHAT IT MEANT AS AN IDEA.
Because IDOLATRY OF MAMMON is not just hoarding up your stash of stuff, liquidites, stocks, bonds, whatever. THAT WOULD BE TOO EASY.
So that means that it is not just something that “the rich man” or the “robber baron” is afflicted with.
It is not JUST the MOTE in HIS eye, if you like.
Idolatry of money is ALSO what happens when you translate ALL PERCEIVED VALUE in your social body into monetary terms. When you ask the question “What’s it WORTH” and the answer comes in dollars and cents. When the question “how much does it cost” is the FIRST question on EVERYBODY’S lips. When MONEY is the first answer that everybody has to a problem, or a question. That’s large scale idolatry of Mammon for you.
Under this definition, which is much more complicated than what most people think, the TOTALITARIAN FORM OF DECADENCE that is upon us is NOT JUST the work of an isolated class of people, it is something THAT ALL OF US PARTICIPATE IN DAILY.
That’s what decadence is. It is an inclusive phenomenon, not one limited to ONE social class.
It touches all of society.
Another idea that you contribute to resurrecting in this article (Remember that irony is nevertheless giving lip service to the idea that you may think you’re ridiculing…) is the monarchy…
Yep.. I predict (lol) that there is going to be a certain NOSTALGIA for the monarchy coming around again… already is. (By the way, you know, I hope, that the French people were VERY VERY ATTACHED to their king, and it was largely because the individual Louis XVI badly bungled the episode of the French Revolution that things turned out the way they did ? There was nothing.. INEVITABLE in the outcome of the French Revolution…)
Human time is cyclic, and not linear. We wear out ideas, discard them, and turn to new ones that we resurrect from the past to give new life to. And then we go back to the ones we’ve discarded.
Nothing new under the sun.
I suspect also that a good part of the MOTOR of this crisis is located PRECISELY in the retirement pension problem, and the necessity that large sums of LIQUIDITY be available at a much later date (anathema to a healthy economy based on day to day exchange of goods, services, and liquidity) that is VERY RESPONSIBLE for our current predicament.
But then again, as I like to say, THIS crisis is a symptom of THE MONEY problem IN OUR CIVILIZATION. It will not go away any time soon.

therooster
therooster
August 31, 2010 9:01 am

Good article , Jim. I’m just wondering when you’re going to focus on solutions like real-time gold backed digital currency. You seem to be aware of debt acting as the backbone to all the crap the world is suffering through.

The solution only lacks some marketing punch. There’s nothing top-down about it, but your gaze seems to be fixed there. When your gaze is fixed on the beast, you honour the beast. Ignore it.

Nur
Nur
August 31, 2010 10:19 am

Bismi-lah. Dave, if you believe that 19 so-called Islamists flew planes into buildings in New York and Pennsylvania you need to do more research. A man named Bill Nixod has a good article for more insignt. There are too many intelligent posts here and intelligent people here for you to be that naive. You hate Islam fine. You hate Muslims fine. But do some research.

deedee
deedee
August 31, 2010 11:23 am

I recently started reading Crime School: Money Laundering by Chris Mathers it was written in 2004. Not to old, for corruption has been going on for decades. What I really laughed at in the book was this, organized crime takes in over $40 billion dollars a year. LOL

Can you imagine that crock of bull, $40 billion. Most of our economy is driven by illegal drugs, banksters, and pimps.

Don’t you ever wonder how shoe stores, and markets with no customers stay in business.

deedee
deedee
August 31, 2010 12:17 pm

i recently started reading an interesting book on money laundering called, Crime School: Money Laundering. The policeman who wrote this book in 2004, states that it is a $40 billion dollar a year illegal business in the United States.

After watching our country for many years I tend to doubt that it is $40 billion dollars a year. Just look at the bail out’s alone.

No, I view it differently then this cop does, I look now at all the businesses surrounding us, you know the one’s like market chains, shoe store chains, any of them that are no longer doing a good foot traffic business, and it makes me wonder.

Much of our economy is built on the illegal drug trade, pimps, and bankster’s. Where does the money go?

Gaffer
Gaffer
August 31, 2010 3:03 pm

DeeDee – have you been running around in Dexter’s Lab again?

tim guitner
tim guitner
August 31, 2010 3:13 pm

gd item
— “its the (2 big) debt stupid,”
– – – 1 web site calcuates West can pay off debts if gdp grows x amt/y
and c7% seven per is devoted to paying it off, down, otherwise it grows forever.
. .
(add sound bytes: This land is yr land…Wooody guth-
ree written as counter foil to G-d bless America, Cate Smith style c 1936)

tim guitner
tim guitner
August 31, 2010 3:17 pm

gd item
— “its the (2 big) debt stupid,”
– – – 1 web site calcuates West can pay off debts if gdp grows c4%/yr four per.ea.year
and c7% seven per of gdp is devoted to paying it off, down, otherwise it grows forever.
. .
(add sound bytes: This land is yr land…Wooody guth-
ree written as counter foil to G-d bless America, Cate Smith style c 1936)

Smokey
Smokey
August 31, 2010 5:01 pm

Nur—- Are you and David Pierre doing each other?

DP
DP
August 31, 2010 6:52 pm

Smokey:
U + RubMy1 + FatAss = m0r0nS

matt
matt
August 31, 2010 7:20 pm

LLPOH,
I work for a mid-west manufacturer in the auto industry and the Chinese shit is difficult to compete with. For the most part it is junk, but my customers will hold you hostage over the price knowing full well they would prefer the U.S. made version. I also heard yesterday that U.S. Bank is closing it’s capital equipment leasing division for automotive equipment. I wonder how many bad leases it took for them to make that decision. Fun times.

Smokey
Smokey
August 31, 2010 7:38 pm

DP—–I thought Quinn banned your sorry psychotic ass from this site. Please tell me how it feels to be a coward. To abandon your country of birth because of fear. And how it feels to then spend the rest of your miserable, wretched, shallow existence trying to deceive yourself into believing you fled based on principles. How does it feel to be a traitor who fled under cover of darkness because he was afraid to defend his country? I have a question for you DP. There was a very popular television political analyst who had a high profile career, spent largely criticizing politicians. She was conservative and a bestselling author. Her name was Barbara Olsen and on 9/11/2001 she had been happily married for several years to Ted Olsen, then Solicitor General of the United States. Ted Olsen was also the attorney who had represented George W. Bush in the 2000 Presidential legal proceeding versus Al Gore. Anyway, there are transcripts of Ms. Olsen on the phone to her husband as her hijacked plane was en route to and aimed for the Pentagon. She of course has never been heard from again. George Bush is a close personal friend of Ted Olsen. My question, DP, is where do you think Ms. Olsen is? Sipping a martini by the pool in Brazil? Or maybe in a villa in the south of France? I ache to hear your sick, convoluted explanation for this. Or will you ignore the question, being the coward you are?

Smokey
Smokey
August 31, 2010 7:49 pm

DP—-For your conspiracy theory to be valid, Barbara Olsen had to be in on it. Or do you think Bush just decided to sacrifice the wife of the good friend who had won him the election? You don’t have an answer because this one simple circumstance, of hundreds, obliterates your 9/11 conspiracy theory.

matt
matt
August 31, 2010 8:02 pm

Smokey,
The Pentagon incident has always bothered me and I am not siding with Double Penetrated at all. But the impact area of the Pentagon seemed much smaller than what I imagine a jetliner would cause. And your point about what happened to a packed jetliner, with school children on board, puzzles me as well-it didn’t just vanish into thin air. I wish I could make sense out of that part of 9/11.

matt
matt
August 31, 2010 8:12 pm

DP,
Fuck Off!

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 31, 2010 8:15 pm

This problem is easily rectified by igniting a large bonfire, binding the Mammon Worshipping scumbags to large Wooden Stakes and holding the first Global Pigman Roast. A simple Means Test will do, anyone with a net worth over say $10M qualifies. After the smoke clears, we enjoy the roast with a little Chianti and some Fava Beans, followed by redistribution of their ill-gotten gains.

RE

DP
DP
August 31, 2010 8:18 pm

Hey!… Smokey/NeoCon/RubMy1/Jim Q/or whatever your handle is today:

Do your own fucking homework… Moron!

Barbara Olsen = Just more Bull Shit = a “Red Herring” along the path to TRUTH.

Maybe you can do a little presentation for the Special Class?
Look up what the meaning of “Red Herring” !

Smokey
Smokey
August 31, 2010 9:01 pm

DP—Why do you continue to lie about the names used by people who blog here? Everyone here knows that Jim Quinn blogs as the Administrator. I blog as Smokey and sometimes Neocon. Robmu is himself and SSS is himself. There are DOZENS of conversations readily accessible on this blog of conversations between Jim Q and SSS. And between Jim Q and Smokey(me). And between Jim Q. and Robmu. My question to you is why you insist on continuing to lie, when your lies are so easily exposed and, in fact, so absurd that they are laughed at by regulars here? And where is Barbara Olsen, you fucking idiot—she threw her life away so thousand of innocents could be fried? That lady was on television EVERY FUCKING WEEK until her plane crashed into the Pentagon.

Administrator
Administrator
August 31, 2010 9:08 pm

It seems sheep mating season is over for DP. Amazingly, as soon as he appears, the site is functioning normally. DP evidently murdered another family in the backwoods to get a new computer so he could spew his warped psychotic cut and paste bullshit on TBP. He did send me pictures from his summer family picnic this year. They sure look like a fun bunch.

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Smokey
Smokey
August 31, 2010 9:18 pm

DP—-That chick with the red umbrella. Is that your mama or your sister?

LLPOH
LLPOH
August 31, 2010 9:38 pm

Smokey – I am really pissed. How come DP doesn’t think I am anyone else? I do my best to ridicule his sorry ass, and don’t even rate a mention. Shoot, I even pointed out you’ve offered to sodomize him a few thousand times, and still I get no respect from him. I won’t feel I have made it until I draw him out.

Matt – people not involved in manufacturing, esp. for big multinationals/automotives really can’t grasp how difficult and ruthless the bastards are. They are so incredibly short sighted, and despite their claims to being quality driven, by far the most important thing is price. I had a GM buyer once brag to me that he had driven 200 small suppliers out of business in his career. These auto companies create systems which dehumanize the entire process, and reward unethical and ruthless behavior from their employees. I really do not think it is sustainable unless a major shift in their attitudes occurs.

SSS
SSS
August 31, 2010 11:42 pm

Reverse Engineer

Welcome back. I see you signed in and have an avitar at least as goofy as mine.

You said, perhaps tongue-in-cheek, “This problem is easily rectified by igniting a large bonfire, binding the Mammon Worshipping scumbags to large Wooden Stakes and holding the first Global Pigman Roast. A simple Means Test will do, anyone with a net worth over say $10M qualifies. After the smoke clears, we enjoy the roast with a little Chianti and some Fava Beans, followed by redistribution of their ill-gotten gains.”

Want to rethink that $10M “Means Test” before burning someone at the stake? Do you really want to fry all those Amish and Mennonite (we’ve had a discussion about these religious sects before) FARMERS whose landholdings and personal wealth far exceed $10M. Make no mistake, there are many, many Amish and Mennonite families whose wealth ROCKETS past $10M.

And how about the hundreds of thousands of small businessmen (less than 400 employees, per federal definition) who are worth far more than $10M? Up in smoke and flames?

As I said, you may have posted tongue-in-cheek. But I replied just in case you didn’t.

SSS
SSS
September 1, 2010 12:06 am

Can’t sign in again. This site is just as bad, meaning slow, as yesterday.

LLPOH

DP is unreachable. Even Smokey, of all people, tried to engage him with a modicum of civility (for Smokey) with a simple question about Barbara Olsen. DP replied, “Barbara Olsen = Just more Bull Shit = a “Red Herring” along the path to TRUTH.”

BTW, and I may regret asking this, but what does LLPOH mean?

LLPOH
LLPOH
September 1, 2010 1:32 am

SSS – Life, Liberty, Pursuit Of Happiness! The three real and original rights granted us, and from which grew the once, and I hope, still and future, great Nation of the United States. There is a lot of work to do, I am afraid, and those in charge do not seem up to the task. But so far, we can still lay claim to these three rights, but at times they seem to be slipping from our grasp.

I get all steamed up whenever people yammer on about their “rights” to thousands of things, that in many cases are really just a claim for more “free shit”. If we focus on these three, things are really so much clearer.

I thought Smokey would have turned the flame thrower up a bit, but it really is too easy, I suppose.

Debra
Debra
September 1, 2010 3:13 am

AHEM, the LADY that just took a peek into your little saloon here wonders when you have time to plug the neurons in during all the SHOOTING that’s going on ??
The post’s QUALITY deserves a BETTER RESPONSE.
At least, if you’re going to roughhouse, try to introduce a LITTLE BIT OF ON TOPIC STUFF TOO.
I like to play (but shooting, well, it’s SO UNFEMININE…) too, but WITH MY WORK.
Show me your stuff, boys…
You can do better than THIS, I hope.

Amman Mohammed
Amman Mohammed
September 1, 2010 3:36 am

As a person familiar with the United States and the American people, I have to finger DRUGS as the root cause and ultimate bane of the nation.

llpoh
llpoh
September 1, 2010 3:56 am

Debra – boys will be boys! We understand the seriousness of the topics. We contribute to the topics as seems appropriate but we also have some fun too. We thank Jim for his efforts, and I think even the most jaded of us value the dialogue that filters thru the shooting. Many of us are true believers in Jim’s base message but you should hang around for the fisticuffs re the mid-east. He even throws in a good conspiracy theory post now and then. You’ll get the hang of it. You will find your own tone, I’m sure.
Amman – must say you have a point. Perhaps not quite so simple as that but much truth in what you say.

deedee
deedee
September 1, 2010 7:55 am

Drugs is what I discussed earlier, it is what is driving the economy of our country right now.

Gemini
Gemini
September 1, 2010 8:59 am

Nur,
Google couldn’t find “Bill Nixod”, your full of crap.

To the infamous DP,
Why do you peddle your 9/11 conspiracy here? It’s not an issue people care to discuss. There are others who do, who can offer you stimulating conversation, elsewhere on the web. Go there. People here loathe the government not fear it, and generally seek to take responsibility for the state of affairs, not lay blame on some vast conspiracy. Also, kudos to you for realizing Smokey and neocon are one and the same. I mean how many people use the phrase “half pint of throat yogurt”? and what are the chances Smokey would allow someone to steal his favorite taunt? But how do I know that YOU are not JQ?

Debra,
Sometimes we get around to sharing ideas, stick around. Take off a few heads. I am nonreligious so I really don’t have the knowledge to add to or respond to your previous post, but I liked it.

Amman,
Drugs are just a thing, ADDICTION is what is destroying us, in all its forms.