Why do countries go to war?
- One or both countries are led by maniacs (Hitler, Stalin, Tojo)
- Opposing political systems (Capitalism, Communism)
- Necessity for resources or land (Japan, Germany)
- Accident due to treaties & alliances (WWI)
- Seccession or internal political issues (Revolutionary War, Civil War)
China is tired of playing second fiddle to the U.S. They are already kicking our asses economically. They have us by the balls as they own $900 billion of our debt. We need to issue $1.5 trillion of new debt every year for the next 5 years. We need the Chinese to buy a good chunk of this debt. The Chinese know that. They also know that Bernanke is trying to screw them by devaluing the USD.
They are converting their USD into hard assets. They are buying up natural resouces like mines and oil wells. They are signing deals with Iran, Venezuela, and African nations to tie up oil resources. They are buying gold. They have most of the rare earths in the world and aren’t sharing. Now it seems they are using those USD to build missiles and other high tech military hardware.
The US Navy revolves around their 11 aircraft carriers. We are in the process of building 3 new aircraft carriers at a cost of $14 billion each. The Chinese have perfected a new missile that will put these outmoded WWII antiques at the bottom of the sea. The US is preparing for the last war. China is preparing for cyber war using satellites, computer hackers, and high tech missiles.
China and the US both need oil. The supplies of oil are depleting. Economic tensions are already high. As oil becomes more precious, the US and China will be competing for the same supply sources. Any economic collapse experienced by either country will significantly increase tensions between the countries. These issues are a powder-keg and both countries will be lighting matches. I expect armed conflict with China to commence between 2015 and 2020, as would be expected in the Fourth Turning Crisis. World War erupted 12 years after the onset of the last Fourth Turning. A similar scenario would result in major war around the year 2017. It is our destiny.
China preparing for armed conflict ‘in every direction’
China is preparing for conflict ‘in every direction’, the defence minister said on Wednesday in remarks that threaten to overshadow a visit to Beijing by his US counterpart next month.
By Peter Foster, Beijing 1:30PM GMT 29 Dec 2010
“In the coming five years, our military will push forward preparations for military conflict in every strategic direction,” said Liang Guanglie in an interview published by several state-backed newspapers in China. “We may be living in peaceful times, but we can never forget war, never send the horses south or put the bayonets and guns away,” Mr Liang added.
China repeatedly says it is planning a “peaceful rise” but the recent pace and scale of its military modernisation has alarmed many of its neighbours in the Asia-Pacific, including Japan which described China’s military build-up as a “global concern” this month.
Mr Liang’s remarks come at a time of increasingly difficult relations between the Chinese and US armed forces which a three-day visit by his counterpart Robert Gates is intended to address. A year ago China froze substantive military relations in protest at US arms sales to Taiwan and relations deteriorated further this summer when China objected to US plans to deploy one of its nuclear supercarriers, the USS George Washington, into the Yellow Sea off the Korean peninsula.
China also announced this month that it was preparing to launch its own aircraft carrier next year in a signal that China is determined to punch its weight as a rising superpower. The news came a year earlier than many US defence analysts had predicted.
China is also working on a “carrier-killing” ballistic missile that could sink US carriers from afar, fundamentally reordering the balance of power in a region that has been dominated by the US since the end of the Second World War.
Analysts remain divided over whether China is initiating an Asian arms race. Even allowing for undeclared spending, China’s annual defence budget is still less than one-sixth of America’s $663bn a year, or less than half the US figure when expressed as a percentage of GDP.
However in a speech earlier this year Mr Gates warned that China’s new weapons, including its carrier-killing missile, “threaten America’s primary way to project power and help allies in the Pacific”, underscoring the difficulties that lie ahead as China and the US seek to contain growing strategic frictions.
As China modernises, Mr Liang pledged that its armed forces would also increasingly use homegrown Chinese technology, which analysts say still lags behind Western technology even as China races to catch up.
“The modernisation of the Chinese military cannot depend on others, and cannot be bought,” Mr Liang added, “In the next five years, our economy and society will develop faster, boosting comprehensive national power. We will take the opportunity and speed up modernisation of the military.”
Chinese missile shifts power in Pacific
By Kathrin Hille in Beijing
Published: December 28 2010 11:58 | Last updated: December 28 2010 11:58
A new Chinese anti-ship missile that will significantly alter the balance of military power in the Pacific is now operational, according to a senior US commander.
Admiral Robert Willard, the top US commander in the Pacific, said the Chinese ballistic missile, which was designed to threaten US aircraft carriers in the region, had reached “initial operational capability”.
The US and other countries in the Pacific region are increasingly concerned at the speed with which China is developing its naval power. Japan, for example, recently decided to refocus its military on the potential threat from China.
“So now we know – China’s [anti-ship ballistic missile] is no longer aspirational,” Andrew Erickson, an expert on the Chinese military at the US Naval War College, said in response to Adm Willard’s comments to the Asahi newspaper.
Defence analysts have called the Dongfeng 21 D missile a “game changer” since it could force US aircraft carriers to stay away from waters where China does not want to see them. These include the Taiwan Strait where a potential conflict could develop over the self-ruled island which China claims.
The land-based missile is designed to target and track aircraft carrier groups with the help of satellites, unmanned aerial vehicles and over-the-horizon radar. Aircraft carriers and their accompanying ships are unable to defend themselves against such a threat.
Aware of the missile’s development, the Pentagon has already started considering ways to counter the new threat, including a new concept for more closely integrated navy and air force operations.
Robert Gates, US defence secretary, said in September, the development of such a missile would force the Pentagon to rethink the way carriers were deployed.
“If the Chinese or somebody else has a highly accurate anti-ship cruise or ballistic missile that can take out a carrier at hundreds of miles of ranges and therefore in Asia puts us back behind the second island chain, how then do you use carriers differently in the future?” Mr Gates asked.
The second chain of islands runs from the Bonins along the Marianas, Guam and Palau, forming a north-south line east of Japan and the Philippines. This line defines what China sees as its “near seas” – waters in which the US navy now frequently operates and are home to US naval bases and allies such as Japan and South Korea.
Adm Willard noted this year that China’s anti-ship ballistic missile was undergoing extensive testing and was close to deployment. Observers believe China started production of missile motors last year and that the Chinese military is preparing a nuclear missile base in the southern city of Shaoguan for their deployment.
Defence analysts have also linked several missile flight tests this year to the new weapon but no conclusive evidence has been available to date.
Adm Willard’s latest comments appear to remove any doubts. The term “initial operational capability” as used by the Pentagon indicates that some military units have started deployment of the weapon and are capable of using it.
Mr Erickson said: “Beijing has successfully developed, tested, and deployed the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers.” .
Adm Willard said the new Chinese weapon was still not fully-operational and would probably undergo testing for “several more years”. The key remaining step is a comprehensive test of the entire system at sea, which is much more difficult than test flights over land.
China also needs to deploy more satellites to ensure seamless tracking of a moving target at sea. But defence experts warn that the weapon would immediately be a threat to US carriers because China could make up for a lack in accuracy by launching larger numbers of missiles.
I disagree. Just as it was with the Soviet Union, the consequences of a war between the United States and China are too terrible for either side to let it happen. There will be provocations, incidents, threats, and struggles by surrogates but no U.S. – China war. We’ll arm wrestle with China in every way but there’ll be no duke out or nuke out on the battlefield.
Maybe China decides that there are Mexican terrorists threatening their national security and maybe they decide to offer Mexico some “assistance” with their little drug lord problem… Maybe they decide to throw a bunch of troops into northern Mexico…
good article but you left off 1 important thing the us trident subs if china targets let alone sinks a us carrier the chineese
will be toast
crs
Don’t count on it. China has submarines too.
Chinese nuclear submarine base
China has secretly built a major underground nuclear submarine base that could threaten Asian countries and challenge American power in the region, it can be disclosed. Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a substantial harbour has been built which could house a score of nuclear ballistic missile submarines and a host of aircraft carriers.
In what will be a significant challenge to US Navy dominance and to countries ringing the South China Sea, one photograph shows China’s latest 094 nuclear submarine at the base just a few hundred miles from its neighbours.
Other images show numerous warships moored to long jettys and a network of underground tunnels at the Sanya base on the southern tip of Hainan island.
Of even greater concern to the Pentagon are massive tunnel entrances, estimated to be 60ft high, built into hillsides around the base. Sources fear they could lead to caverns capable of hiding up to 20 nuclear submarines from spy satellites.
The US Department of Defence has estimated that China will have five 094 nuclear submarines operational by 2010 with each capable of carrying 12 JL-2 nuclear missiles.
The images were obtained by Janes Intelligence Review after the periodical was given access to imagery from the commercial satellite company DigitalGlobe.
Analysts for the respected military magazine suggest that the base could be used for “expeditionary as well as defensive operations” and would allow the submarines to “break out to launch locations closer to the US”.
It would now be “difficult to ignore” that China was building a major naval base where it could house its nuclear forces and increase it “strategic capability considerably further afield”.
The development so close to the sea lanes vital to Asian economies “can only cause concern far beyond these straits”.
Military analysts believe that China’s substantial build up of its forces is gaining pace put has remained hidden from the world in the build-up to the Olympics.
China has diverted much of its resources from the huge Peoples Liberation Army to the navy, air force and missile development.
An old Russian aircraft carrier, bought by Beijing for “leisure activities” has been picked over by naval architects who hope to “reverse engineer” the ship.
Within the next five to 10 years the People’s Liberation Navy is expected to build up to six carriers which will also coincide with the Royal Navy’s construction of two major carriers.
The location of the base off Hainan will also give the submarines access to very deep water exceeding 5,000 metres within a few miles, making them even harder to detect.
Britain’s Trident submarines have to remain on the surface when they leave Faslane in north east Scotland and cannot dive to depth until outside the Irish Sea.
While it has been known that China might be developing an underground base at Sanya, the pictures provide the first proof of the base’s existence and the rapid progress made.
Two 950 metre piers and three smaller ones would be enough to accommodate two carrier strike groups or amphibious assault ships.
Christian Le Miere, editor for Jane’s Intelligence Review, said the complex underlined Beijing’s plan “to assert tighter control over this region”.
“This is a challenge to any hegemonic power, particularly the US which still remains dominant in the region.”
So far China has offered no public explanation for its building at Sanya.
My favorite part of this article is the new Dong Feng 21 Carrier Buster missiles. As per my hypothesis from a prior post, missile weaponry will render the Carrier Group model worthless. A bit late, the FSofA tacticians are waking up to this fact of life.
Once we get into the Final Battle for All the Marbles with the Chinese, it will be a matter of a few months or maybe most a couple of years before all the expensive hardware is down at the bottom of Davey Jones Locker.
Unable to fight each other on a Nation State level, all modern nations will turn inward fighting amongst themselves for the last available resources on their own territory. Mad Max will ensue, and the only survivors will be Homo Cannibalis.
RE
I like listening to Coast to Coast, and last night’s show was about this topic and it blew me away.
Here a link, but I’ll warn you, if you get started listening, you won’t be able to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqgQmUJLwPs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
What a steaming pile of reeking SHIT. This article is a fucking disgrace. Now, to expose the fucking lunacy of this embarrassing adolescent rant. Peak Oil is a fact, right ? I agree, absolutely. Many credible estimates say supply runs out (EROI) in the 2030’s. And the Fourth Turning Prophecy holds that there is precedent for our going to war with China for the oil. ONE SMALL QUESTION. If Peak Oil is a reality, what is the fucking point in committing hundreds of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars to a war for a resource that is nearly depleted? Ponder the fucking idiocy of your contention that we will war for a resource (oil), when that resource only has probably ten years supply left, maybe fifteen. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, peak oil is a reality. Consumption is overtaking production at an accelerating pace. You claim in this article that we will be at war with China within ten years over oil supplies. That is so goddamn ignorant it defies belief. Do you think Obama could start a war with China next year over oil? No? Then how in the fuck do you expect the president following Obama to be able to get enough public support for warring with China? Do you honestly think George W. Bush would have gone into the middle east if we hadn’t been attacked? You are so sure we will attack China over oil, and you have already said yourself that our military leaders sat Obama down and explained to him the reality of Peak Oil. So, in that case, what the fuck are we waiting for? The supply to dwindle further? Why wait another five to ten years? Your War for Oil prediction / wish is so full of holes it’s laughable. Oil can go to $3000 per barrel and we will no more go to war with China than we will with Canada or the Virgin Islands. Save yourself from further humiliation and CONCEDE THAT I JUST NUKED YOUR FAT ASS. Don’t further embarrass yourself by trying to defend a position that I just obliterated in front of the world.
I gotta agree with Smokey – we aint going to war with China. I find them to be a rational, albeit ruthless, nation. They will do whatever is in their own interests. Period. But getting the shit blown out of them and losing their best customer doesn’t meet that criteria. Plus, as is happening, they are going to own the fucking place anyway. And the chance of us attacking them is nil.
I believe more realistically that the oil countries may be carved up between the major powers. Even that us unlikely.
LLPOH
Rational? Are you fucking nuts?
Mao’s policies and political purges from 1949 to 1976 are widely believed to have caused the deaths of between 40 to 70 million people.
Smokey is back in rare form! Gotta agree with him and llpoh.
Quick …. name me all the foriegn countries China has invaded outside of its IMMEDIATE borders.
HA! You can’t. Because ….. they don’t.
PS Attila doesn’t count. He was a Mongol.
Stuck
Who said China would start the war?
Funny posts. China has been around a lot longer than our arrogant asses. Want to know what China is up yo? Watch for the change in the direction the bamboo is blowing. China has some old scores to settle. An elephant never forgets.
China-America military war? No chance. While US foreign policy has been known to be infinitely stupid by being infinitely arrogant, count on China not to be stupid. Count on them to be calculating, long-term smart.
China has won competitions with the US in many ways. Last thing they want is war, any war, with anybody. China has no imperial desires or interests for over 1000 years, not counting the Mongol years. The last time China fought a real war with the US is in the Korean War. In that horrific war, the great Gen. MacArthur suffered his greatest defeat, responsible for the biggest and most humiliating withdrawal in US history. His egotistical response to it, wanting to nuke China and start another world war, was directly responsible for him being fired. But on the other side, China suffered a devastating loss of 1 million casualties and ended in near economic ruin. It directly resulted in the subsequent Great Leap Forward, a slogan for pulling the near-bankrupt country out of depression. But which created an even greater depression that cost some 25 million lives due to famine.
Count on China not to want war. It got to where it is now, the greatest industrial growth in the history of national recovery (See Ferguson) precisely by not waging any war or contest or competition. But by playing the strategy of ‘go with the flow’ most intelligently.
And you know what, there are still a whole of flows in the US that the Chinese administration and business leaders love to ‘go with’. Or to put it bluntly, for those who wants plain-speak, China loves to assist in all kinds of nice ways in the American make-my-quarterly-profit capitalists determination to hang themselves.
Smokey
It is Inevitable. Yawn.
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Don’t you morons read history?
Why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor? Because we were taller than them?
Because FDR cut off their FUCKING OIL.
Desperation leads to irrational acts. Try thinking outside the box people.
Do you think China developed an anti carrier missile to fend off the fucking Taiwanese?
Some good point made here, but I go with Smokey on this one. The Chinese have a VERY long supply line to protect, the rulers love being the Top Dogs, they have 1 Billion people not even close to Middle Class and have to be feed them.
When the worlds resources are running on a 1/4 of a tank of Peak Oil, Water, and Food, I cannot imagine they would pick an all out war with the U.S. In the military we called such a move of “Shitting in Your Own Mess Kit”.
Apollo makes some good points but don’t under estimate China’s capacity for war and their willingness to go to war on their own terms. China has some scores to settle that go back to WW11 and before. They will settle these scores in their own time and place. But this is secondary to their long term aims. There will come a time when China will become the dominate military power in the Pacific Rim. There will come a time when China will challenge our military dominance in that area and the US will have to make a choice; either back down or be defaced. The Chinese are not stupid. When the challence comes they will be prepared and carry a big stick. From my long term observations I see China becoming the dominate power in Asia and expanding their power into Afghanistan where they have purchased mining interests and then to the middle east. Expansion is their long term plan; whether by pure economic planning or if need be war on their terms of engagement. Do not under estimate the Chinese, they have a long history that includes conquests by force. This is my opinion formed from my observations over the years.
I think the missile threat is overplayed. The AEGIS air defense system has been tested on ballistic missile defense for a decade or more with excellent results. There are several AEGIS equipped escorts for each carrier. Frankly I would be more worried about a submarine threat than this ballistic antiship missile.
China seems to be the new teenager – terrible irony given the age of their civilizations. They are growing stronger, but their ego has blown past their actual strength, and it may bite them terribly. Not too different from Japan in the 1930’s.
Now, if we could get a limited regional war among China, Japan, and the Koreas, maybe we could bring back some of those US factory jobs!
China needs internal stability just the same as we do. A good war rids them of the idle hopelessly unmarried young men. Our middle east wars are tying up our young who would be a destabilizing class if left to their own demise without jobs or the hope of finding one. There is only one way to cleanse this economy and that is to deplete the stagnation of rotting assets and the backlog of humans that are being held hostage by wrong headed economic policies. It is just a matter of who feels advantageous enough to pull the trigger when policy dead ends.
Everyone seems to be forgetting one of the things we have that China could desperately want: fertile land. Look at the agreements they’ve already forged in South America.
Nah. I don’t think the United States will go to with China any time soon. The Chinese are smarter than that. They play it safe, rationally, not believing as our government does in grand ideological conflicts with foreign powers. The Chinese have no compelling reason to militarily assault the USA. They are steadily gaining power without firing a shot. They can see the USA collapsing as a global power as it stands and are patient enough to simply sit back and focus on building themselves up to take advantage of this. As you said, they are developing their military strength impressively, and could very well defeat, or at least stalemate, the USA in a conflict, but they don’t need to.
While the USA squanders it’s last vestiges of imperial power in vain nonsense interventions in the Middle East the more pragmatic Chinese sign oil deals, declare spheres of influence in the Pacific, secure rare metals, and invest in mines in Africa. They will be in a very good position in the coming decades.
History is filled with things that “couldn’t happen”.
On November 5, 1860, the day before the Presidential election, did anyone on earth predict an all-out war raging for the next 4 years resulting in the deaths of 600,000 Americans?
On June 27, 1914, the day before Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated by a college kid, did anyone on earth predict a world war raging for the next 4 years and result in 39 MILLION CASUALTIES? There were 1.1 MILLION casualties in the Battle of the Somme alone.
On September 3, 1929, when the stock market peaked at 381, did anyone on earth predict that the stock market would crash by 89% in the next 3 years, an 11 year Depression would then lead to a world war that would result in 75 MILLION CASUALTIES?
Did anyone want this to happen? Did it seem impossible to 99.9% of the population? You bet your ass it did.
Don’t tell me that the US and China won’t go to war because it is not in their best interests.
Here’s my take: China has no global imperial ambitions. It never has. And they conceive of no larger ideological mission. They’re foreign policy, as it is shaping up, is very pragmatic and nationalist. They are content to leave most of the rest of the world alone so long as: they have a secure base of natural resources for their economy, which they are rapidly snapping up around the world, particuarly in Africa, (plus a market for their own goods,) and a clearly-understood dominion over their immediate, historical sphere of influence.
I think eventually, 10-20 years from now, once the United States has clearly gone away as a world power, or perhaps even no longer exists in present form, Beijing will annex Taiwan. Taiwan is essentially a part of China, it is only separate today due to political differences. Without the USA to back them up, Taiwan may surrender without firing a shot: they know they can’t defend themselves for a very long time against the much larger Chinese military, a disparity that widens yearly. Or perhaps Beijing will orchestrate a nationalist coup in the Taiwanese military, or launch some sort of combined spec-ops and cyberwarfare assault that swiftly neutralizes the Taiwanese missile and aeriel arms, blacking out their communications while their leaders are eliminated.
Jim – the likelihood of the US civil war was obvious to anyone in the US with a pulse in 1860. Only the death toll and the eventual northern victory was not obvious.
No argument with your other examples.
Administrator—-This is not nearly as fun as I had anticipated. I mean, shit, everybody’s siding with ME. Fuck that. I promised a couple of weeks ago that I would nuke your ass on your next war-for-oil article. Consider it nuked. This has quickly turned into a fucking rout. Shit, even Stuck, who ridiculed me two weeks ago for calling the war-for-oil prediction a farce, has reversed himself and is now siding with me. The guys who authored the Fourth Turning Fantasy are a couple of opportunists who have exploited weak-minded, impressionable fools for personal financial gain. Any idiot can see that this country is in terminal decline and is facing imminent collapse. As I famously said earlier, it is a mathematical impossibility to unfuck the situation. Authors Howe and Strauss have merely taken our screamingly obvious destiny and overlaid multiple renditions of historical crisis, tweaking where necessary, and Voila!, they are visionary prophets to be reckoned with. Even if I gave Howe and Strauss the enormous benefit of the doubt, and assumed that they were sincere in their fantasy novel, that does not make the work legitimate. The human mind is predisposed to finding patterns. I could chart patterns of maggots crawling over dogshit up against patterns of rats running through a dump, and I COULD show correlations between them. It would not mean the correlations meant a fucking thing, only that they existed. Same with the Fourth Turning Fantasy. Strauss and Howe use historical fact to back up their OPINIONS. But that is all it is, OPINIONS. They know no more about how the looming collapse manifests itself than my 4 year old niece, Scarlett.——However, if the piling on continues, I will switch sides and bail you out.
Smokey
The more morons that join your army of retards, the more convinced I become of my correctness. It’s like going to war against a bunch of shit eating monkeys on crack.
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Jim, the US and China won’t go to war because it is not in their best interests.
The Chinese still read Sun Tzu,
so this is what they will do;
“For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”
“In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy’s country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good. ”
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Translation: They can win without fighting. Aren’t they accomplishing that already? Yes. The proof is in the pudding.
Stuck
They’ll go to war if attacked. Don’t assume we won’t be the aggressor, with a fake story of why we were “forced” to attack.
Oops, again. Above post is mine.
Check out the nutsack of that monkey in the picture.
I figured you’d be drawn to the nutsack.
There goes Smokey yowling like a constipated cat trying to pass a rodent skeleton and calling it victory.
*sigh*
Jim,
Since WWII we basically attack small countries like Grenada. WoooHoo muthafucka, take that!! Or militarily weak shitholes like Afghanistan. Big countries with big militaries like China? Ummmm … not so much.
“I figured you’d be drawn to the nutsack.”——Speaks volumes to my fascination with this site.
Good lord. Smokey is obsessed not only with his genitalia but also that of monkeys.
Ya freak!
Smokey eats
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Stuck
We’ve attacked small countries because we can. If there are only 80 million barrels of oil per day being produced and the world needs 100 million barrels per day, something has to give. Will the US willingly become a localized agricultural nation or will it do anything it can to keep the oil flowing?
I understand you reasoning Jim. I really do.
I simply can not wrap my mind around going to war with a nation of 1.3 Billion people, with nukes and subs and all that. They could lose a hundred million and not blink. A conventional war with China I simply cannot fathom. And neither side is so fuckin’ stupid to even consider a winnable nuke conflagration.
Stuck
I certainly hope it doesn’t happen, but empires tend to lash out as they decline trying to maintain their former glory. I don’t think we’ll fade away.
Quit posting those pics. You’re making Kill Bill hungry.
Stucky, you`re right, no war. The Star Wars project bankrupted USSR. After 20 years the
winner turns to be the loser. US of A is not the world and cannot fight the entire mankind.
US`s efforts are not forgotten, as an ally, but debts have been payed.
Threat with war is not the way you make friends. If Obambam will get an second term, war
avoidance will be the catalyst. And China will mind her own business. And Japan.
Happy New Year, folks!
Smokey you testicle teasing turd tonguer your salivating like Pavlovs dogs when you ogle Jims pics.
Nothing surprises me anymore, and I wouldn’t rule out anything, up to and including a nuclear war on our own soil , blamed on China, and actually launched by our own govt.
newsjunkie—–I agree, that is extremely plausible. Our own government attacking this country with nuclear weapons. That is some deep thinking there.
Smokey,
Sorry, my mistake, I guess my blonde is showing. I didn’t mean our actual govt. What I meant to say was the people CONTROLLING our govt.
So suck my dick…I mean my tits…OH hell, nevermind.
newsjunkie—-Quit trying to fix your comment. It is too fucking late. You can’t unring a bell. It is beyond repair. If you ever get torched by me on this site, your best bet is to run for cover. If you engage me, it will ALWAYS get worse. Just ask Quinn, RE, Punk, huge betcha, Kill Bill, Novista, and the legions of others that have been foolish enough to cross me, only to be shown no mercy and reduced to tears and mindless babbling. I always win, and I seldom have any pity on the foes I vanquish.
Smokey,
You’re just a marshmallow. I’ve also seen how sweet you are.
newsjunkie—-My New Year’s Resolution is to set a world record for receiving thumbs down for commenting on a website in a single year.
You have some work to do, dear.
Smokey the Marshmellow Man
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newsjunkie has me confused with someone else.
The chinese can win aithout firing a single shot. Dump the treasuries, back the yaun by gold and shout from the rooftops that Wall Street et all are bankrupt and will collapse.
Once the extend, pretend and bailout illusion is shattered, the United States is toast.
O.B.—–That is probably how this thing plays out in the next five years, probably sooner than later.
On Chinese stuff, I still trust Smokey
Admin,
Here’s a more appropriate picture:
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“PS Attila doesn’t count. He was a Mongol.”-Stuck
Umm, no. Attila was a HUN, not a Mongol. You are thinking of Ghengis Khan.
RE
I always win, and I seldom have any pity on the foes I vanquish. -Schmucky
You delusional dullard the only thing you have beaten is that trouser trout of yours