SLAUGHTER IN TUCSON

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords has been shot, along with a number of her staff, at a Safeway in Tucson. This is a tragedy for her family and the families of those who have been shot. A gunman ambushed her at point blank range. It looks like 4 others were killed. The gunman was shot and apprehended. My prayers are with the victims and their families.

Now the repercussions will be felt. Is he a terrorist? My guess is that it is unlikely. Will he be tied to the Tea Party? That seems like a strong possibility. Will this incident be used as a further excuse for the government to crackdown on the citizens of this country? Absolutely. Will the MSM use this incident as a storyline to create fear that any dissent, whether vocally at town hall meetings or on websites like TBP is dangerous? You bet your ass they will.

Is this murder some sort of tipping point event that pits the citizens against government, Wall Street, and the ruling elite? Probably not, but it will be interesting to see if there are more incidents. I’m actually surprised that no high level bank executives have been assassinated by someone who has been victimized by their criminal banks.

Is this an isolated incident or the start of something larger? I don’t know. What do you think?

Arizona congresswoman among 12 shot at Tucson grocery

By the CNN Wire Staff
January 8, 2011 2:17 p.m. EST

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was holding a constituent meeting at the grocery store when she and others were shot.

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was holding a constituent meeting at the grocery store when she and others were shot.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords among 12 shot at Tucson grocery store
  • Her condition is unknown
  • Giffords was holding a consituent meeting at the store
  • The shooting happened just after 10 a.m. MST at a Safeway store
  • Share your accounts, images from the shooting with CNN iReport.

    (CNN) — At least 12 people were shot at a Tucson grocery store on Saturday, and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among them, a Democratic party source told CNN.

    Giffords, 40, was holding a constituent meeting at the grocery store when the shooting occurred, according to a schedule posted on her website.

    CNN could not confirm conditions for Giffords or any of the others wounded, but the Tuscon Citizen newspaper was reporting that Giffords was shot in the head.

    The Democratic source described the situation as “pretty serious,”

    The shooting occurred at a Safeway shortly after 10 a.m. MST, according to sheriff’s spokesman Deputy Jason Ogan.

    Several shot at Tuscon grocery store

    Pictures from the scene showed a Giffords banner hanging from the storefront.

    At least two victims with gunshot wounds were transported at Northwest Medical Center, according to spokesman Richard Parker.

    “They’ve been coming in the last 10 minutes. I’m not sure of the severity of their injuries,” he said.

    Ogan said he did not have conditions on any of the wounded and said the motive for the shooting is unclear.

    “We’re just trying to sort this out right now,” he said.

    An employee of a nearby business, Jason Pekau, told CNN that he heard “15 to 20 gunshots.”

    Giffords, a Democrat, was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.

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    KaD
    KaD
    January 8, 2011 2:53 pm

    Personally, I’m saddened that no high level bank executived have been executed yet; legally or otherwise. And their hired thug attorneys with them.

    Thinker
    Thinker
    January 8, 2011 2:58 pm

    Until we know more, I’m not ruling out a spill-over from Mexico’s war. But I agree, Jim, that it will likely be spun against Republicans, right-wing activists or the Tea Party just because she was a democrat. They’ve already begun doing that with the package bombs in Maryland and the one that targeted Napolitano. There’s going to be a tightening of freedoms in the name of security, for sure.

    Punk in Drublic
    Punk in Drublic
    January 8, 2011 2:59 pm

    We want a national law
    Establishing childrens bedtimes.
    Bedtime Patrol,
    We’ll check up on you…
    Bedtime Patrol,
    Make sure that your bracelet is on.
    The nanny state:
    To reach down your pants and check to see if you’ve been
    Moistening yourself with any unauthorized substance without permission

    Tag them!
    Curfew them!
    Keep them down!
    Keep them at home!
    At school!
    To rent a video on the way home
    And stay home.
    Just like at work…
    Do not gather after dark…
    Curfew!
    It’s such a family oriented word.
    A much more acceptable smiling soft word.
    A much more pallatable concept,

    THAN MARTIAL LAW!

    Put your bracelets on
    You are safer when you are watched
    Don’t go outside
    You’ll set the alarm off!
    Curfew
    Forever
    And ever and ever!

    SSS
    SSS
    January 8, 2011 3:09 pm

    This happened in my neighborhood. I’m shocked, stunned, outraged, and saddened. Perhaps some additional comments later. But not now.

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 3:22 pm

    This is the danger that demagogy poses to our people and our country.

    It is divisive, it removes our security and whittles away our rights for some self serving pundit or politicians career and it creates extremists.

    My condolences to those families whose lives have been disrupted by this abhorrent act.

    MuckAbout
    MuckAbout
    January 8, 2011 3:57 pm

    Moral hazard of a lawless Federal Government peeking its’ head up? Won’t know until the spinners and dirt throwers get tired of bleating about it.

    The way it went down (as we know about it right now), she was indeed the target of an execution and her attacker was an assassin, amateur or pro. The randomness of the shooting after the target was taken down suggests a suicide “death by cop” or some such as the anticipated outcome by the attacker.

    Too bad it happened. Too bad the price all of us will have to pay for it.

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 4:04 pm

    “Update. Fox News jumped the gun.” Fox News? That vile network of propaganda? And just how did you happen to receive information from Fox News- home of Newt, Hannity, Beck, Krauthammer, Kristol?

    Thinker
    Thinker
    January 8, 2011 4:05 pm

    They’re reporting a small child has died, but that the Congresswoman is expected to survive.

    Many blog are lit up by the fact she appeared on Palin’s “political hit list” over the Obamacare vote, even though she was a conservative Democrat who also was very strict on border control issues.

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 4:06 pm

    Demagogy or demagoguery (Ancient Greek: δημαγωγία, from δῆμος dēmos “people” and ἄγειν agein “to lead”) is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public.

    I dont know who the shooter is or what his connections to, if any, political group is.

    What I am sure of is that our media, our pundits and our politicians helped create this incident knowing full well the number of unstable people that listen to and watch them might react in a bad way

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 4:08 pm

    Fox wasnt the only network that jumped the gun. Todays networks would rather let the horse out of the barn before seeing if its on fire.

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 4:20 pm

    I wonder what Ms. Giffords did to provoke the attack? I mean, certainly, since she has been victimized by a deranged murderer, she had it coming. What we as a society must do is carefully reflect on what actions she took to deserve this fate. We must also consider that the assailant had some very legitimate grievances that Ms.Giffords and Mr. Roll had failed to address. This event is highly likely the unfortunate culmination of a whole series of provocations embarked on long ago by Ms. Giffords. So, it may well be, and probably is, that the actions that transpired today were predictable and justifiable because of the previous callousness and insensitivity of the Congresswoman.–JUST ASK THE SURVIVING MEMBERS OF 911.

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 4:22 pm

    The shooter is Jared Loughner

    This appears to be his youtube video;

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    January 8, 2011 4:29 pm

    It appears this is Jared Loughner’s favorite video.

    It explains a lot. Scary shit.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 4:34 pm

    It appears this is Jared Loughner’s favorite video.

    It explains a lot. Scary shit.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

    Also appears his favorite book is Mein Kampf.

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 4:35 pm

    Tell you what. That fucker’s video makes as much sense as at least one regular poster on this site.

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 4:39 pm

    Loughner seems to think that all government is treasonous..

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 4:40 pm

    I wonder if Sarah Palin regrets her portrayal of Gabrielle and others being targeted with simulated gun sights on a map of the United States.

    See here; http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/08/congresswoman-gabrie.html

    .
    .
    I wonder if her oppenent regrets running this ad;

    “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 4:44 pm

    He was pissed off that our currency isn’t backed by gold. -Admin

    I read from all political ideologies and this isnt particular to any one although those same ideologies are currently pointing fingers at each other. The freepers are saying Loughner is a leftist manchurian or a angry immigrant false flag and the left is saying its because of Fox news propaganda.

    Bizarro.

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 4:45 pm

    That fucker’s video makes as much sense as at least one regular poster on this site. -Smokey

    The neo-con one I presume

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 4:49 pm

    High School picture of Jaren Loughner. Top row, 4th pic.

    http://twitpic.com/3o8mkn

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 4:52 pm

    Loughner’s Myspace was taken down. But here are four pics from it.

    Also, picture of a Jared Loughner volunterring at a Tucson Book Festival:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-lee-loughner-2011-1

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 4:57 pm

    The majority of citizens in the United States of America have
    never read the United States of America’s Constitution
    You don’t have to accept the Federalist laws
    Nonetheless, read the United States of America’s Constitution to
    apprehend all of the current treasenous laws.
    You’re literate, listener?

    Kill Bill
    Kill Bill
    January 8, 2011 5:01 pm

    Loughner, by his final thoughts video, surely thought he would be killed

    Robert Jones
    Robert Jones
    January 8, 2011 5:13 pm

    With so many people in such a large country with more freedoms then anywhere else in the world it is a wonder this does not happen more often. It is so terrible that these people had to be the target of a single, but crazy individual. However, we should try to remember that only one person did this so lets not pass judgement on everyone or the system we live by.

    MikeinAZ
    MikeinAZ
    January 8, 2011 5:19 pm

    Sad, ironic that we were at the Maricopa County meeting this morning when this happened. In the room with us among others, Russell Pearce, our Great Sheriff Joe, and David Schweikert.
    It’s a shame, but her father is a motherfucker in my book. Using his own daughter’s shooting to villify fellow Americans. Giffords is no “conservative” either. She goes along with the whole damn anti-American agenda. She won by lying about her opponent’s positions and running a series of false ads – shocking!

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 5:48 pm

    Note: My immediate above post was posted in error. Not my words.

    Below is a verbatim transcription from Jared Loughner’s youtube website.

    A stoopid fuckwad for sure.

    =====================================================================

    My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner
    .
    Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!
    .
    .
    The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!
    .
    .
    If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978.618 is
    the year in B.C.E. then the previous year of
    987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978.618 B.C.E.
    is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978.619
    B.C.E.
    987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978.618 is the
    year in B.C.E.
    Therefore, the previous year of
    987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978.618 B.C.E.
    is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978.619
    B.C.E.
    .
    .
    If B.C.E. years are unable to start the A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
    B.C.E. years are unable to start.
    Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
    .
    .
    If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E don’t cease.
    A.D.E. is endless in year.
    Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don’t cease.
    .
    .
    If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive
    minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and
    pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes
    and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that’s
    replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
    I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive
    minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and
    pronunciation.
    Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces
    the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet
    letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
    .
    .
    Every human who’s mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.
    .
    .
    If you create one new currency then you’re able to create a second new
    currency.
    If you’re able to create second new currency then you’re able to create
    third new currency.
    You create one new currency.
    Thus, you’re able to create a third currency.
    .
    .
    You’re a treasurer for a new currency, listener?
    You create and distribute your new currency, listener?
    You don’t allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?
    .
    .
    If you create one new language then you’re able to create a
    second new language.
    If you’re able to create a second new language then you’re
    able to create a third new language.
    You create one new language.
    Thus, you’re able to create a third new language.
    .
    .
    All humans are in need of deep sleep.
    Jared Loughner is a human.
    Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of deep sleep.
    .
    .
    Sleepwalking.
    If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking
    eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is
    unaware upon awakening.
    I define sleepwalking.
    Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other
    motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.
    I’m a sleepwalker – who turns off the alarm clock.
    .
    .
    All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.
    Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.
    Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.
    .
    .
    Terrorist.
    If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror on terrorism,
    especially as a political weapon.
    I define terrorist.
    Thus, a a terrorist is a person who employs terror on terrorism, especially as a
    political weapon.
    If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad
    hominem.
    You call me a terrorist.
    Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
    .
    .
    Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one
    mini bible before the tests.
    Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.
    Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.
    I didn’t write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote
    on the application: None.
    .
    .
    The majority of citizens in the United States of America have
    never read the United States of America’s Constitution
    You don’t have to accept the federalist laws
    Nonetheless, read the United States of America’s Constitution to
    apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.
    You’re literate, listener?
    .
    .
    If the property owners and government officials are no longer in
    ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the
    revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and
    laws.
    The property owners and government officials are no longer in
    ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.
    Thus, the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the
    land and laws.
    .
    .
    In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t
    trust the current government because of the ratifications: The
    government is implying mind control and brainwash on the
    people by controlling grammar.
    No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!
    No! I won’t trust in God!

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 6:07 pm

    Jim — Consider yourself lucky that he didn’t mention he reads TBP on a daily basis.

    Punk in Drublic
    Punk in Drublic
    January 8, 2011 6:13 pm

    Nah, he was in his early twenties, the young folks reading TBP are the sane and stable ones.

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 6:16 pm

    Stuck—-When I go postal and take out about two dozen innocent fast food patrons with an AK-47 and a 9MM Sig Sauer, that’s gonna be my line right before I croak. I’m gonna say “Vote for Ron Paul, the man featured at the world’s best website, The Burning Platform.”

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 6:20 pm

    I don’t know what the protocol is regarding criticizing someone who was just shot in the head.

    Before today, I never heard of her. But, I’ve been googling her for the past couple hours .. reading articles, watching videos.

    I find her politics despicable. She once asked General Petraeus what he was doing “to reduce carbon emissions in the war on terror.” One blogger called her the poster child for everything wrong with American politics. By most accounts, she seems like a liberal wingnut.

    And MikeInAZ is correct, her father is a real motherfucker. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

    That does not mean she deserved what happened today. My thoughts are with her, blah, blah, blah.

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 6:25 pm

    Smokey — be careful about posting killing innocents with an AK47. Really. I understand sarcasm … the government eyes do not.

    SSS
    SSS
    January 8, 2011 6:28 pm

    One of the victims was a 9 yr old girl, who died at the University Medical Center. The girl was standing beside Giffords. Why did this freak have to turn his gun on a child? How sad.

    Doctors are optimistic about Giffords, who suffered a “through and through” head wound at point blank range. In one side, completely through the brain, and out the other. Appears she will survive, but what will that survival look like?

    Let me say something about Admin and Stucky. You two had more information about Loughner, the suspect shooter, posted SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE the local news media got around to it. The media here is just now getting around to the stuff you found, but only in tidbits. That’s really impressive, guys. Standing O.

    MikeinAZ is correct. Giffords is not a conservative. On the big issues, she is a cookie-cutter liberal. Voted for the Stimulus, Cap and Trade, and Obamacare as just three examples. But the last time I looked, being a liberal isn’t a capital crime. I hope she will get through all this with minimal damage to her health.

    I also agree with Admin’s comments on “the finger pointing has already begun” wrt the Tea Party, gun laws, and so on. It’s gonna get really, really ugly. Lord, why did this have to happen in Arizona, of all places?

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 6:30 pm

    This is starting to piss me off.

    A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD was killed too. Plus four others. Plus 4 others in critical condition. But ALL we hear about is this congresswoman (and some brief mentions about the judge).

    I guess shooting one of the powers that be is THE mortal sin in America? Woe unto you if you shoot a “leader”!! But …. fuck the peons, eh?

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 6:33 pm

    Stuck—-Noted. I retract my statement. I would never shoot anyone. Except in self-defense.

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 6:40 pm

    Well done Smokey. Really.

    Admin — WTF is going on with those T-shirts?? FIVE BUCKS extra for a 3X t-shirt? I’m fuckin sick and tired of paying extra for everything from t-shirts to condoms. My birthday is a month away and I asked Ms. Freud to buy me one of those $20 mugs. Really. I can’t wait.

    DexterMorgan
    DexterMorgan
    January 8, 2011 7:08 pm

    SSS

    It is clear this guy was deranged. The act was despicable. I hope they can execute him.

    I believe this will lead the country closer to some sort of tipping point. Both sides will get angrier. Positions will be solidified. No compromise. The state will use this to put more controls, more rules, more regulations in place. Making anti-government declarations will be seen as dangerous.

    This tragic event will lead to more anger, mistrust and probably more violence.

    Oh, please…this poor bastard ( and his family, and anyone else who knows him!) will spend the rest of their lives at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba being water boarded for who knows what….Osama Bin Laden…you must be a happy man today !!!

    hugh betcha
    hugh betcha
    January 8, 2011 7:14 pm

    i don’t think she was “targeted” i think these things are going to be based on opportunity. i would think that if you have “lost it” you’ll find a target and the bigger the target the better.

    i can see folks taking out anyone they can get close enough to. at all levels of government and banking and corporate… once you’ve lost it i don’t see any barriers except maybe wanting to take out someone who by any association your broken mind can conger up. as people get desperate more and more will lash out and the more there are the more ways they’ll find to “lost it”.

    when will the next one lost it, i imagine times are getting hard for a lot of people. 2011 doesn’t look any better and to have media and government lying to us all doesn’t help. having hopes lifted and dashed time and again fosters “losing it”

    MuckAbout
    MuckAbout
    January 8, 2011 7:21 pm

    A Black Swan just flew through Tucson today. All the visible evidence will be over analyzed, dissected, spread around to blame the broadest spectrum of political enemies on both sides.

    The hidden evidence (that which is not readily observable) will be ignored and the real reason for todays sad tragedy will never be discussed.

    Simple, no? The guy is wing-nut, completely insane and his actions were not foreseeable or predictable by anyone. Sure we might be treated to old high school buddies telling us how weird he was or maybe a shrink that had a few sessions with him mumble something about schizophrenia or paranoid tendencies or some bullshit but the truth lies with Occam’s razor.. He’s nutty as a fruitcake and will never see a day in prison (except for a mental ward in a prison hospital),

    This will, of course, be debated until Hell has a deep freeze with a lot of collateral damage to personal freedom and the Constitution will probably get kicked around some too. Too bad but typically human where the easy way out is always the way of choice.

    We listen to the story and ignore what cannot easily be seen.

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 7:30 pm

    Administrator——I’m afraid Peyton is in over his head tonight. Colts are favored but too banged up. Jets win tonight. Make peace with it now, because you’ll probably be hearing a LOT of shit from Jets fans on this board later on.

    SSS
    SSS
    January 8, 2011 7:43 pm

    DexterMorgan

    You said, “Oh, please…this poor bastard ( and his family, and anyone else who knows him!) will spend the rest of their lives at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba being water boarded for who knows what.”

    Just to clarify, does “this poor bastard” refer to the suspected shooter, Jared Loughner? If so, what leads you to believe that he, his family, and his associates will spend the rest of their lives at Guantanamo Bay?

    You’re joking, right?

    Barbarossa
    Barbarossa
    January 8, 2011 8:21 pm

    “He just had to throw in gold and silver at the end.

    Why couldn’t he have said that he admired Greenspan and Bernanke.”

    Because his job was to discredit gold bugs, gun rights advocates, and the Tea Party.

    StuckInNJ
    StuckInNJ
    January 8, 2011 8:24 pm

    Ahhhh … the business of total fucking lying bullshit begins … I just can’t wait to see the news articles tomorrow ……

    Smokey
    Smokey
    January 8, 2011 8:34 pm

    PKES

    MuckAbout
    MuckAbout
    January 8, 2011 8:36 pm

    The politicians will stir the shit to the max on this. Count on it. Every pol will have to be quoted in his own local shit-sheet and every talking head will have to be heard on what he/she doesn’t now or even have a clue about.

    Just one more example of how the MSM serves the stupid, mostly ignorant FSA of the FSofA.

    Reverse Engineer
    Reverse Engineer
    January 8, 2011 9:31 pm

    So how about some Conspiracy Theorizing? The guy was an Afghani War Vet, right? So he probably is the victim of CIA Brainwashing. The operation was probably planned at Langley as PsyOps to further radicalize Tea Party activists to violence, targeting all Liberal Politicians.

    In terms of repurcussions, I think you can pretty well forget about handshaking your local CONgress Critter at Walmart in the forseeable future.

    RE

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