On the Consequences of Napalm Contests
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Recent “Quitting Events” related to the vitriolic and hateful Napalm that passes for debate here on TBP have caused me to put on hold yet another Daily Rant I was more than half finished with on the nature of money. The meta-topic of how the members here behave is more immediately important in terms of determining how successful we will be with carrying the message of how the Financial Collapse and the effects of Peak Oil will transform our culture, however you personally think that transition will turn out. I know that is Jim Quinn’s primary purpose here in administering this forum, he has told me so several times, and it is my primary purpose in writing as well. We don’t see all the outcomes precisely the same way, but we both do want to warn people that “Something Wicked this Way Comes”.
Predating the financial collapse of Bear Stearns, I participated on and administered message boards on other topics, and like all message boards they were subject to differing levels of Napalm. Napalm can be subtle or it can be blatant, but in all cases it is Ad Hom argument. It attacks the writer rather than addresses the ideas being presented. I will write examples of both here.
First, subtle Napalm:
“You clearly have not researched this topic well enough and do not understand the graphs I presented.”
This sentence isn’t addressing anything the person actually wrote, it’s merely attacking his intelligence. Its going to anger the person it is directed at, and he is likely to scale up the napalm himself in his next response.
Next, blatant Napalm:
“You are a fucking moron. Your wife is a goddamn slut who sucks my 11.5” Smokestack. You Eat Shit.”
This form of Napalm doesn’t just attack the person, it takes the debate completely off topic into sexual innuendo and scatology, two forms of imagery that evoke emotional responses in anybody who reads them. Distilled down, those 3 sentences represent 90% of everything Smokey ever wrote on TBP.
Now, like JimQ, I never censored any Napalm on my message boards. In order to SQUASH the Napalm artists who joined my boards, I would just out-napalm them. I would get positively mean and vicious to do so. Generally I don’t use sexual innuendo or scatology to do it, I either use Comedy to ridicule the opponent or I draw from the Chattaqua School of Fire and Brimstone preaching. After absorbing trash from LLPOH and Smokey for a few weeks a while back, I got really pissed off and LET IT GO.
Room gets suddenly still and when you’d almost bet
You could hear yourself sweat – he walks in
Eyes black as coal and when he lifts his face
Every ear in the place is on him
Startin’ soft and slow-ow, like a small earthquake
And when he lets go-o, half the valley shakes
I Damned to Hell LLPOH in what is generally regarded as one of the most hateful posts ever made on these pages. At least that is how Stucky characterized it at the time. On my own boards, this was pretty effective, but they were much smaller boards than this one is and I never had anyone turn up on the boards so insistent on perpetuating Napalm contests as Smokey is/was.
For a while here, I engaged both Smokey and LLPOH in Napalm contests, but neither one was going to quit and it was making it very difficult for me to continue my primary goal, which is to inform and to analyze the issues at hand from my POV. When I reformatted to the Daily Rants, I decided as part of that to stop responding to any napalm in them, whether the Napalm came as the Subtle or the Blatant varieties. It hasn’t entirely stopped the Napalm in the Rants, but there is quite a bit less of it now than there was before.
In the recent Napalm Contest between Stuck and Smokey, the emotions ran so high as to instigate a “Quitting Event”. Quitting Events happen when people on the board become so disgusted by what is going on that they no longer want to participate on the board. Its not JUST the people involved in the Napalm Contest either, there is Collateral Damage done in terms of Lurker Readers who stop reading the board because of these contests. I had a few Quitting Events happen on my boards, but again not to the scale you see on a board this size.
Now, in the aftermath of this event, Stuck has returned to the board and Apologized to Smokey, which is a pretty impressive thing to do since the kind of Napalm Smokey was using to taunt Stuck was of the most visceral and personal kind. He sensed a weakness in Stuck because of aspects of his personal life he had written about here, and used them to make Stuck feel even worse than he otherwise does about the situation. In the world of Napalm, this is a “Low Blow”. Hitting below the belt. But of course a true Napalm Artist respects NO Rules at all, because there are NO RULES in a Knife Fight. I did find it interesting that Smokey himself quit in the aftermath of this, which shows that Smokey has a conscience, or at least an inability to face the consequences of his actions, which is that everyone on the board was pissed off at him for causing Stuck to quit.
There was also something of a change in Smokey recently, the fact he came into my Existential thread and debated it free of his usual napalm was rather odd. It did not fit in with the persona he was pursuing here at all. Unless someone admits to outside circumstances impacting on them, you cannot know for sure why their behaviors will change in writing on these pages. You can speculate on it, you can observe the effects, but you cannot really know the underlying cause. Stuck has been fairly open about the problems his son is facing, so we can understand his reactions and behaviors in light of that, but Smokey’s behaviors are more opaque.
As we move forward here from this, I am going to offer a few words of advice. First, I never believe in Censorship under any circumstances, so to Jim Quinn my advice is to Carry On as he has, letting the membership post as they will, whatever the outcome of that is. I am even sorry that Jim chose to delete both DP and Hugh Betchya. However, it is his board, so he can do that if he so chooses.
The REAL POWER though to control the Napalm Artists is not in the hands of the CHIEF, it is in the hands of the TRIBE. The way you control people as a group who will not maintain community standards is by SHUNNING them. Do not respond to Napalm Artists, pay no attention to them. In the aftermath of Smokey quitting, Colma Rising has attempted to “assume the mantle” of the board’s chief flamethrower. If you buy into that shit, he will continue onward. If you ignore it, he may continue onward if he is a persistent sort of fellow, but he won’t get any satisfaction from it. If/when Smokey returns and pursues this paradigm again, I suggest the same tactic. He is a bright enough guy, he doesn’t really need to write that sort of shit to make point. I certainly won’t respond to any Napalm they pitch, although if like Smokey did in the Existential thread he writes good stuff to topic, I’ll treat them like any other good debater and welcome the input. Smokey is a smart fellow clearly, but he took on a certain persona here which overall was not real productive. Why he did that is unclear, and probably will remain unclear unless he returns.
What ARE our Community Values? Is it really that important to us to value Napalm Artistry just because it can be creative and sometimes even funny? Or is the Value of this board to INFORM on the important topics of our time? I believe the latter is the important Value of this board, and if we expect it to be successful, being a good source of information and opinion on these topics, this is what we must strive for.
For each of the Writers here, whether you are a Contributor or just respond in the Comments, I have two suggestions. First is to watch your own writing carefully for Subtle Napalm. Its often an unconscious thing to make an Ad Hom attack that will cause someone else to escalate up in napalm. Try to respond only to the ideas, rather than the author who writes them. I get a lot of Napalm pitched my way simply because it comes off the keyboard of RE. Even when I write stuff most of you will agree with, I get responses like “Much as it PAINS me to do so, I have to agree with RE here.” That is a subtle form of Napalm of course. You take the opportunity to say that even though you think what I wrote is correct, you STILL think I am an asshole. See how easy it is to write Napalm?
The second suggestion is to SHUN the Napalm Artist. Don’t perpetuate the contests by responding with ever increasing levels of Napalm. Nobody “wins”, everybody LOSES. Even if you enjoy these exercises in creative scatology and sexual innuendo, it’s a fucking waste of time and makes the board unreadable for most people. It’s a major turn-off for the average reader. If you support this stuff, you are marginalizing the board as an effective communication medium.
As for me, here in the Daily Rants I will continue to observe and analyze the collapse, and respond to anyone who makes a good argument. I will also continue to Troll other threads, and I no doubt will use both logical argument and my gift for comedy to make fun of the IDEAS other people write, but I will try very hard not to attack ad hom. Be your OWN censor. As far as challenging me goes, I welcome all challengers who will write to topic. TAKE ME ON. It is what I live for as an Internet Debater of the topics of our time. I will respect you as long as you respect me.
LLPOH brings up a point here in the Self-Censorship debate, which is that in addition to censoring the type of prose you write, you should also self-censor on its length. He prevails upon me to make my posts SHORTER. Does he prevail on Jim to make his posts shorter? No he does not, because he mostly agrees with what Jim writes. Jim’s stuff is just as long as mine is, he just doesn’t write quite so often as I do at such length. Quality is not an issue here, merely length and frequency. Length in and of itelf is not a bad thing, its only bad if you pursue ad hom in the diatribe, which I do not do. When I write LONG, I write to topic. When I Napalm in response to napalm thrown my direction, its in the Comments, not in the OP. I do not see a reason to make my articles shorter, I am not attacking anyone by having diarheah of the keyboard. LOL. My means of delivering my message is to write at length and exhaustively. It is not Napalm to do that.
Please realize one very important TRUTH if you do take me on, which is that I will NEVER quit, and I will write long and in detail responding to what you write if I do not agree with it. I have a Fast Gun here under my fingertips on this Keyboard, I will use this gift, and I will spit the bullets out faster than you can, or anyone else. In fact I will write it faster than ALL the anybody elses will together. Live with it. NOBODY can keep up with the pace I write at, I think I have proved that one beyond a shadow of a doubt. I run the Marathon on the keyboard against a few sprinters, I’ll grind you to DUST over the whole course of the race. Unless you are the kind of Zealot I am and are as smart as I am, you will be crushed over time. Are you that far up the end of the Bell Curve of Smart People and Ideological Zealots? I have not yet run into someone who can compete on this playing field. LLPOH thinks he can, and I welcome his challenge. Fair and Square, my arguments of IDEAS against his, I am all for it. I will match my intellect up against his anytime, it’s a fun thing for me to do against another smart guy. Think of it like John McEnroe against Bjorn Borg at the US Open. Clearly,I am the Bad Boy Johnny Mac here of course. LOL. Regardless of being a bad boy though, I am a better Tennis Player than LLPOH is. He has more MONEY than I do, but elsewise he has little to defend himself. He isn’t as smart as I am, and he cannot keyboard so fast as I can. He will eventually lose as result. (OK, I admit to doing some TAUNTING here. This still IS TBP after all. LOL)
LLPOH writes his “Short Stories” as means to pontificate on his perspective. All well and good there. I will challenge his Short Stories when I think they represent WRONG ideas, but that is not Napalm. I’m not attacking LLPOH, merely what he is trying to communicate as a philosophy with his short stories. I welcome him to challenge my ideas as well in any of my Daily Rants. This is not Napalm, as long as it is the IDEAS that are being attacked, not the WRITER of those ideas. Please Place Your Bets here on TBP, LLPOH vs RE, who do you think will be proved correct in the long term? Side with the Unrepentant Capitalist or the Repentant Tribalist, your choice. I KNOW my Sins, I admit them and hope for forgiveness in the Great Beyond. LLPOH does NOT Repent, this is his CHOICE, and if you side with him your choice as well. We ALL will have to pick our sides here in the maelstrom before us now, this is only the first of many choices you will have before you, but in that choice you reveal the core of what you believe in. Principles you cannot abandon without giving up how you define your understanding of the world.
Nobody DIES in these Gunfights in Cyberspace, so they will continue onward for so long as TBP lights up the Internet. Who “wins” here when we engage in good debate? EVERYBODY WINS. Good debate elucidates the underlying ideas and principles so everyone who reads grasps a better understanding of them. I learn things all the time from these debates, and my ideas evolve as a result of it. If you read for comprehension, your ideas will evolve as well. The TRUTH is that we must ALL evolve if we are to find a Better Tomorrow, although to be sure, its not going to come in our lifetimes.
See You on the Other Side.
RE
You win, RE – you are way too smart for me. Shear volume has won me over – the substance of the argument doesn’t count – only volume matters.
But I will place this one small argument out there in support of capitalism, as it to me illustrates the vast gulf between our views of the world: under capitalism, people live longer – much longer- than they have ever lived before. And life expectancies continue to grow – by perhaps in excess of thirty years in the last century. Your rebuttal to this has been that this is a sin. Your position on this is beyond my comprehension, and I cannot bring myself to “debate” you when we are so diametrically opposed.
You claim you are smarter than me (all evidence to the contrary, but what the hell, who knows. I have met some that are.), yet you seem not to see value in extended human life. That seems to me to be unenlightened, at best, evil at worst.
As I have mentioned previously, I would prefer you leave me out of the articles proper. If you want to post comments using me as reference, that seems fair game. But to give me a prominent role in your articles is generally unwelcome. I have no real issue to the above references, but think it is inapropriate to be used for such illustrative purposes. As you are aware, I have kept the flames to a relatively low level for some time now.
@LLPOH
I will in the future respect your request for me to leave you out of the OP proper. In this case I felt it was important to cover what has occurred previously, but I see no reason why it will be necessary in the future, assuming all the principles of mutual respect are followed.
As far as extended lifespand goes, my argument here remains the same, which is that all living things exist on planet of limited resources, and as such you cannot have too many generations extant on the planet at the same time. For Homo Sapiens, our reproductive cycle cycle runs around 60 years, with children born to reprductive age parents between the ages of around 20-40 nowadays. Younger in times of old of course, but generally the same reroductive span. The parents living to a neighborhood of 60 or so gives them time to nurture the offspring that relaces them, and the cycle continues.
When you start to accumulate people older than this in the society, precisely what is their role? They are past reproductive age and they are past nurturing age for the most part. They accumulate many health issues that come from ageing. You get societies like Japan, inundated with an ageing population, which comes at the expense of the generations that follow. Only in the case of a perpetually growing society would this not be the case, and our society no longer has room for growth. We are MAXED out. In fact, we are in OVERSHOOT.
Precisely what is your argument that increased lifespan is good for Homo Sapiens? I would like to hear it and argue it reasonably, if you care to pursue this.
RE
By the way – it is frequency that plays a part – not only do you write outrageously long self-srving articles, you post thousands of words of comments. The one I counted, you had over 15,000 words. The Admin posts once per week. And I sometimes skim his if it is too long. I might well suggest the same thing to him if he posted as much as you. And there are areas where he and I do not agree at all. As always, the conclusions you draw are misguided at best, deliberately misleading more probably. You do not know why I say what I say so you make shit up in an effort to promote your own interests.. Which is why you need to keep me out of the article proper.
I also consider what I believe to be the intent of this site when I request you limit the size of your articles/posts. Your ideas are way outside the norm, and so you overly dilute the main message of this site. You consider your stuff on a par with the Admin’s – and it isn’t even close – and that it is equally as important. By comparing your stuff to the Admin’s you are trying to subtly imply you have the same rights and priviledges. What a crock of shite. You are a master of twisting things to suit your own perverse agenda.
Life is sacred in and of itself. Extended life is a positive so long as the individual has a good quality of life – i.e. is in good mental and physical health. I do not think it needs further explanation. It is indeed a universal truth and those much wiser than me have explained it much better throughout history.
@LLPOH
This is your opinion. It is not the opinion of others who read what I write here, I need not list them all, you know who they are. Why should I value your opinion on this more than those who tell me to “keep it coming”?
RE
“Life is sacred in and of itself. Extended life is a positive so long as the individual has a good quality of life – i.e. is in good mental and physical health. I do not think it needs further explanation.”- LLPOH
You write this postulate as though it is written on Stone Tablets handed down by God. Its not in the Ten Commandments, so I don’t see how you can say this “needs no further explanation” even on a Bible Thumper level. Extending life for one individual does not take into account how this impacts on OTHER individuals dependent on the same limited resources. I cannot see how you an make the case for extending life for some at the expense of others younger them, and this IS the outcome when you have a fixed resource pie to split up.
RE
I ain’t trying to get all touchy feely in touch with my feelings there mr. or mrs. RE (whichever the case may be). However, out of respect for you as a human being I will refrain from making fun of you at every chance I get.
RE – there are those that love it when I flame your ass and tell you to fuck off. Why should I deny them the pleasure? You twist everything. Perhaps your no flame zone is to keep the scorch marks off your ass, as you are often the target? No-o-o, couldn’t be that, could it?
So there you have it, folks. To summarize – llpoh believes life is sacred. RE does not.
The difference is clear. What say you?
RE, you are back to full of shit mode.
you claim to ignore napalm. and you advise ignoring napalmers, and shunning them.
however, you do the opposite.
first, you repeatedly announced you were ignoring me when i was flaming your bullshit. repeatedly. despite the obvious logic that were you ignoring me, it would be impossible to respond, by telling me you were ignoring me.
finally, you flamed me back. called me names which, (and i am sure you will correct me if i am wrong in the recollection), i did not do to you. the closest i came to an ad hominem was calling you full of shit. which i intend as an insult of your words and ideas that you spew, not of you personally. (although i will admit, it is pretty close to the line of ad hominem.)
the point, you did not ignore. you did not shun. yet you advise the community to do as you say, not as you do.
it would have been nice if you had quoted your vicious diatribe against llpoh. and allowed readers their own chance to judge your words, rather than just your characterization of them as from the chataqua school of fire and brimstone. again, my recollection is a bit different.
if i find a spare 30 minutes to dig through the archives, perhaps i will unearth the post you cited, w/o citing.
but, man, what a hypocritical load of garbage. i would’ve preferred some of your unique perspective on the subject of money.
as for this crisis. my time on message boards has seen people come and go for all kinds of slights and insults. even here. but this latest event has the departure of the undisputed champion of flamers. and his departure is your occasion for issuing these rules for civil posting; not the prior occasions of fierce flaming that drove newcomers away from the site. if there is logic to this timing, it escapes me.
like i said, people come, people go. for their own reasons, some knowable, some not. it is just a fucking internet message board. not real life. not that big a deal.
(easy for me to say. i was nearly kicked off of denninger’s board on friday. which did bug me, because i do love karl, and i love his blog. but it didn’t bug me for long, because he is fucking crazy. and it is just the internet. can still read it for free.)
llpoh, do you remember the name of the article thread where RE laid his legendary radioactive air strike on your capitalist ass?
@howIe
You can join the club. Karl booted me off ticker a while back.
RE
RE
Does this mean I can’t make anymore “7 million dead” cracks?
RE
Good post. Thoughtful. Loved the Rifleman clip.
But I must remind you that, in the past, you damned me to hell in a thread (Admin even posted a funny picture after you did so), and I never even mentioned you by name, or even hinted such. You were attacking my thoughts and views on an article I posted and was defending. In other words, you napalmed me for exactly the same reason you condemn in this article. My beliefs and opinions.
Why did you post this comment? “NOBODY can keep up with the pace I write at, I think I have proved that one beyond a shadow of a doubt. I run the Marathon on the keyboard against a few sprinters, I’ll grind you to DUST over the whole course of the race. Unless you are the kind of Zealot I am and are as smart as I am, you will be crushed over time. Are you that far up the end of the Bell Curve of Smart People and Ideological Zealots? I have not yet run into someone who can compete on this playing field.”
This is insufferable egotism. Look. I can’t hit the keyboard as fast as you can, but you have asked me on several occasions on several subjects for more information. Good move, as you know I’m not J6P and didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. Same with LLPOH. His life experiences are well worth reading. Some really good stuff. Instead, you make up a Bell Curve that doesn’t exist. Sheesh.
Oh, well. You and I have at least two common meeting points: admiration for hard working Christian fundamentalists (specifically, the Amish, Mennonites, and German Baptists) and “The Outlaw Josie Wales.” Oh, yes. Almost forgot The Golden Corral story.
Howard – I will think on it but off hand I do not remember. Nice post. Nailed it down the middle.
RE – the tablets said “tho shalt not kill”. I think it is a fair deduction that it meant life is sacred.
it wasn’t just me. it was everyone who was a doctor who had posted in response to one of his rants on medical care. characteristically, it was an attempt at a joke on my part that helped tip him over. (and i sincerely do not wish to do that to you, or anyone else, intentionally or unintentionally). but he calmed down after some back and forth.
shit, i’m a member over there for going on four years. and i have a grand total of 68 posts in all that time. that is a quiet weekend since i jumped into the fray here.
seriously. you respond to napalm and flames all the time. which is fine, i am not condemning or criticizing you for that. but you are suggesting shunning. you certainly did not shun smokey. let me calmly, in a friendly manner, ask, what’s up with that?
not a big deal. unlike the point guard from unc today, i can still hit a wide-open three.
SSS – if you haven’t been damned by RE you just aren’t trying hard enough. Thanks for the kind words.
RE believes himself the smartest guy around – and needs to tell us all about it. Quantity doesn’t equal quality, and his comment that he stays on topic is laughable. As I said, I didn’t find anything especially objectionable above, save for the obvious attempt at misdirection and the blatant hypocracy. Pretty standard RE article, best I can tell.
Insufferable egotism is my signature. Like smokeys big dick, I wave it around to taunt everyone.
RE
LLPOH I agree life is and should be sacred to a wealthy society. It is a moral imperative from my point of view. Others are so diametrically opposed. When my two year old was born, they gave money to Planned Parenthood to counter my family (told us so). As a society our moral compass is divided like a halved watermellon.
RE- reading your current rant is akin to attending A Sunday night Pentecostal service then skipping altar call to be rushed out back to witness the shootout at the OK Corral replete with wet bar.
BTW may I suggest an icon more representative of your persona.Keep up the good work, Rev.
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“Insufferable egotism is my signature.” RE
Seems like many around here have a very high opinion of themselves. Makes me assume they attended one of the numerous ego enhancement institutes for those who can not function in the real world (universities) abounding in America. There a person who has no ability or value as a producer can be made to feel as if they actually have worth rather than simply being another overpaid theorist.
Life is for the living. If a person has multiple hours per day to park their ass in front of a computer swapping spit with others who are equally in love with their own “intellectualism”, my recommendation would be to go outside and see what you’re missing. Try to develop some real skills. Man up.
I, like many others, enjoy the posts here at TBP. Am beginning to think maybe the comments section has somewhat less value.
Its an interesting rant. this is a common problem all across the internet. People can act like jerks anonymously. to be honest half to fun with this site is the flame wars, they are entertaining. it also depends on the person. One persons comment is another person flame.
I like that fact this site is anything goes. With that there are people who are not going to play nice.
the important thing is to not take anything here (or on the internet) to seriously, after all I have (i would like to believe most of you do) have a real life outside the craziness of the internet.
ok, here is the epic RE napalm strike:
Reverse Engineer
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2011/01/16 at 8:49 pm
Ah, at last it’s a it more clear why you are such a sensitive and vitriolic old coot. You are in the auto manufacturing biz and are progressively losing market share to the Chinese. Don’t be so bummed LL, shortly after they put you out of Biz, the Chinese will follow you into the toilet.
Why would it be better for you to go outta biz? Well, as you well know, I consider Industrialization overall to be a bad deal for the Planet and for the people who live on it, so the sooner it goes the way of the Dinosaur, the better as far as I am concerned. Far as your employees go, their jobs are going to be History no matter what here, so the sooner they figure out a more sustainable way to make a living, the better off they will be.
Far as you are concerned, let me try to be clear on my opinion. As you have described it here, your entire life has been one of sieving value from others and using that value to enhance your own existence. That makes you a Leechfuck far more vile than any member of the FSA. Besides that, you hold no remorse for the pain you obviously have caused others, in fact you revel in it and attempt to further pass on that pain now with what you write in your declining years on the internet. You are a Human Abomination, beneath contempt and beneath the cockroach on the scale of living organisms, you are disgusting and the filth you carry with you in your mind corrupts everyone who gets near you, be it IRL or in Cyberspace. I am overcome with the scum of your mind every time I engage you in conversation, and it is all I can do to keep from vomiting when I read what you write. I pity all in your family, because they have been subjected to your filth for their entire lives, and are irretrievably corrupted because of it and they will all Burn in Hell along with you and BECAUSE of you. As an aging man in our society, you have absorbed everything Evil in it and yourself have become the embodiment of that Evil. You stink of putrefecation in all you write and think. While I have met many people over the years who were impoverished financially, I can say unequivocally I have never had contact with anyone so spiritually impoverished as you are, your entire life as you have described it is a moral vacuum and you are a worthless individual by any measure, in fact you are beyond Worthless, your existene has been a detriment to this planet and all who live upon it, including even the viruses. Not even an HIV virus would want to share the same living space as you. I am disgusted by the fact I have to share the same planet with cockroaches like you, and I hold you and your ilk personally responsible for the condition of our society. In the end, you will PAY for this, if not in this life then in the Eternal Hereafter. You are CONDEMNED TO HELL, and you will BURN IN EVERLASTING TORMENT for your beliefs and your actions in this life. There is NOTHING you can ever do to redeem yourself, no Penitence would be sufficient at this point, so prepare yourself for Everlasting Torment for the rest of Eternity. Eternal Justice cannot be denied, and you will face it and suffer for your sins, which are beyond all measure.
That being clear, I will say its worthwhile to hear your opinions here because I am a big proponent of Free Speech, even off the keyboard of a worthless cockroach like yourself.
Have a Nice Day.
RE
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i must admit, there was a bit of chataqua style fire and brimstone at the end which i did not remember. not too much comedy in there.
Insufferable egotism is a sin, a DEADLY sin.
As such you will be damned to burn in everlasting hell for all Eternity if you do not repent forthwith.
“Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall”
Your choice, REPENT YOUR SINS.
“Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him”
I cannot save them ALL, I can only save as many as I CAN.
howard in nyc says:
ok, here is the epic RE napalm strike:
LOL ….Yep , I think that unequivocally qualifies as NAPALM of the utmost extreme.That flame is a true asshair smoker.
Cult behavior is not the norm. Let RE trash the EUR, the PBoC and the ‘go forward’
movement.
Mostly agree. I must have missed the thread where Smokey posted something useful, and I was more than tired of hearing about his 11.5mm schlong. The rest of the flaming was/is tolerable, but doesn’t add anything to the site.
On a different note:
“Life is sacred in and of itself. Extended life is a positive so long as the individual has a good quality of life – i.e. is in good mental and physical health. I do not think it needs further explanation.”- LLPOH
I think the key qualifier here is good health. I would agree that someone who is in good health and not excessively burdening society would do well to live long, and does little or no harm to the rest of society in doing so. But RE’s first statement talked about how people past a certain age weren’t contributing in terms of even being able to care for children, and that’s the other side of the coin. If someone doesn’t have the strength or mind to watch small kids, are they still in good health? Close friends of mine have grandparents who are 90+, still basically healthy but not able to do much of anything more than consume resources that are brought to them. Is that a life worth living?
This was posted in error on REs 3/25 thread. Reposting here since it has to do with Napalming.
I have tried to make sense of all this by asking, “What have I learned?” My simple mind came up with three things. All are painfully obvious. I just forgot them.
1)- — The Napalm will NEVER stop. Ever.
RE calls for a Napalm Moratorium – but that’s just wishful thinking. Napalm is the new normal in the internet age. It is pervasively EVERYWHERE. I belong on several Indiana Hoosier basketball blogs. Every single thread contains anywhere from some to pervasive Napalm. Without exception, every newspaper article comments section is chock full of napalm. Have you ever read the comments on Youtube videos?? Holy crap!! People have napalmed the living shit out of Little Kids doing a cute video!!! I guess that’s why there’s an option to “turn off” comments. lol
So here on TBP, the best we can hope for is for a toning down on the level of ferocity and perhaps frequency. But, again, it will always be with us, here and elsewhere.
2)- — Knowing #1 is true, I have two options. I can fight back. Or, I can remember the words from Kenny Rogers;
“You got to know when to hold ‘em,
know when to fold ‘em,
Know when to walk away
and know when to run”
I LIKE fighting back. It’s fun. But, sometimes walking away (shunning, to use RE’s words) is better. It takes Wisdom to know when to do either. Maybe if I walked away, Smokey would still be here. I’ll never know the real story. But I do know I need to do a better job of knowing “when to walk away”.
3)- — I ENJOY Napalming, both giving and receiving.
I value a good debate as much as RE or yourselves. And, yes, gratuitous Napalming can detract from that. It’s all about timing and frequency. It gets real old and real boring when it’s done constantly and/or for no reason whatsoever. But, a well-placed and well-thought Bomb is an absolute thing of beauty. No way in hell am I giving up my “Fuck you pussy”, “Asshole”, “Dipshit”, or any other colorful metaphor … they’ll have to pry it from my cold dead lips.
Napalm is also quite useful as a “shorthand” way of making one’s point. For example, I have spent hundreds of hours researching both sides of the 9/11 debate. I have read thousands of pages on the internet as well as hard copy books. I don’t know all there is to know but at this point I have read enough to form my own opinion. So, when someone comes along and says that 9/11 was an “inside job” , I feel the only proper response is, “You have shit for brains you tin-foil fuckwad!”. I am NOT giving that up!! Besides, it’s the correct answer.
SORRY! This too was posted in error in the 3/25 thread. That thread is mostly dead so reposting here. Plus, there is a new update.
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Wow. It’s been one helluva weekend, hasn’t it?
It feels “weird” to look at the Recent Comments list and not see Smokey’s name there. That will take some getting used to. I still have not heard from Smokey in the special email I set up for him ([email protected]).
I want to clear one thing up. In THE thread that started all this Smokey said that I am just a drama queen and that I quit just for sympathy. That’s just silly. What kind of man will use his son’s illness as a stepping stone for his own aggrandizement? I don’t know because I am not that man.
Today will be a busy Phone Day. The asshole doctor prescribing endless drug cocktails to SJ feels that he is under no obligation whatsoever to talk to me. He actually told SJ that since the doctor is talking to his mother, he has no time or obligation to talk to me. Well … we’ll see about that. I am going to call him every hour, on the hour, for the rest of the day. Tomorrow, the frequency will be every half hour. The day after, every fifteen minutes. They say the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I WILL become such a pain in the ass to his staff that they will be squealing like stuck pigs for him to take the call. I WILL wear that fucker down!
I spent yesterday in mourning that UNC couldn’t get the job done. I now have ZERO teams left in the Final Four … a tragic event that only occurred one other time in the past several decades. I really only wanted to beat Jim Quinn. Is that too much to ask? Apparently, so. UConn eats shit but I will be cheering MIGHTELY for them to whupass on KY. Thereafter, screw them … gotta be cheering for the underdog Butler or VCU team.
RE — you are forgetting to change the Rant Lite descriptions. It’s been stuck on “Today’s rant is Tin Foil speculation on the Existence of God.” for several posts now.
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UPDATE, 10:55AM: I HAVE been calling the doctor mentioned above. I have left at least half a dozen messages … each one more “firm” than the one previous. None have been returned. However, about five minutes ago I got a call from SJ. THEY ARE RELEASING HIM TODAY!! Holy crap. I’m delirious with joy right now. He’ll be going to a “half-way house” for about three days — basically to see if he screws up or not — and then back home. Still have a long way to go, but suddenly things are looking a little more positive for us today.
wow–if we could turn all this bullshit into energy it would free us from oil dependency and we could power everything!!!! let the napalm begin
Great Newz Stucky
Which one of him are they releasing?
@LLPOH
You are conflating Length of Life and Sanctity of Life, they are not the one in the same thing.
When Social Security was created the average lifespan was 65 years. Was life not sacred then?
100 years before that when the Natives were being run off the plains, the average lifespan was around 55. Was life not sacred then?
There is nothing sacred about trying to extend out human life ad infinitum. We all live and we all die, the intervening time is sacred but there is no absolute requirement in there to hang on for as long as you possibly can, merely to make sure that life continues through the generations. THAT is sacred, our stewardship of our planet and of our species, but the individual lifespan only needs to be as long as it needs to be to insure species survival.
RE
@Flash
I have been considering changing my icon for a while.
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@RE
sorry i threw that up during overnight hours for you. i didn’t realize until after i hit submit. that was impolite of me to post while you were likely asleep. sorry.
howard
If you keep this civility up, I may have to ban you for life.
@Stuck
I don’t ever expect the Napalm to disappear completely, Basically I am just asking people to use some common sense and not go over the top with it, as I did in that Damnation to Hell piece, which Howie dug up. I’ve tried to tone it down since, and mostly I ignore the napalm thrown at me now, but I also wouldn’t want to give it up entirely. Its fun to OCCASSIONALLY get in a napalm contest, but it does get old around here.
RE
@Howie
Not a problem. I figured somebody would dig it up.
RE
@admin
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howard
As this is the new and improved Smokeless TBP, I say thank you for that fine contribution to the dialogue. God bless you.
Not Smokeless, Smoke Lite B)
RE
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The TBP fight song.
Dedicated to Smokey.
this explains it all…..
“Which one of him are they releasing?” — The Savior
That IS very funny. Have a big ass smile on my face right now. Ha!!
To answer your question — hopefully, Hannibal is Left Behind, and they release The Good Son.
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RE
@flash — that is a hilarious vid. Ya know what? I can actually picture Smokey looking like that creature.
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RE —-> “… but the individual lifespan only needs to be as long as it needs to be to insure species survival.”
Really, RE? So why don’t we just get rid of both parents after they produced children. Let’s give them 15-18 years to raise the young ‘uns … and then OFF the parents.
And what about women who are infertile or men that shoot blanks? Fuckit. Maybe we should kill them summarily.
Hey .. YOU don’t have any kids!! Right? So tell me … seriously … what the fuck are you doing here on this Earth consuming up resources? Hmmmm???
@Stuck
I’m not in favor of getting rid of anybody, merely not artificially extending the lifespan with transplants, wonder drugs and radiation therapy.
RE
IMHO . along with peak oil , were may be on the cusp of witnessing peak humanity.
And I say this because many have never had the experience of making do with less and the just the prospect of producing what you consume via manual labor will be enough to kill large swathes of population due the fact that many have no idea what physical work is and would break down in total despair at the indignity and brutality of the physical demand of monotonous mind numbing labor.