IT WAS JUST A TRAINING ISSUE

Thank God the Conference of US Catholic Bishops was able to clear up the priest abuse issue. It was the fault of Woodstock and poor training. I guess the thousands of predator priests were out sick at the Seminary on the day they taught them to not stick their dicks into the mouths of 10 year old boys. Below is a link to the latest Catholic Heirarchy coverup. They can keep writing reports to rationalize and try to explain the indefensible. Until Bishops and Cardinals are taken away in handcuffs, I will not believe a word these corrupt evil men spew out to the public.

http://www.usccb.org/mr/causes-and-context.shtml

It takes a comedian to make this issue as clear as can be. The Catholic Church is in denial and is still in coverup mode. I hope they are losing billions in contributions. They deserve to pay dearly for their evil acts.

“Do: Give sermons, counsel your flock, preach the good word. Don’t: Molest anyone… ever!” –Stephen Colbert

 

Flawed analysis in priest report

The idea that individuals are responsible before God for their sins and before the law for their crimes is nearly universal.

But a report released last week that explores the context and causes of child sexual abuse by priests in this country at times seems to downplay personal responsibility and lays the blame on the permissive society of the 1960s and 1970s. That’s a shame, and it calls for a firm and quick response from the church itself.

The report, commissioned by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, was undercut by one of its main conclusions: namely, that the hippies of the ’60s and the libertines of the ’70s were in some ways responsible for some priests’ reprehensible actions.

Any attempt to deflect responsibility away from those who actually perpetrated the abuse (and those in the church hierarchy who aided and abetted it) is absolutely antithetical to the principle of individual responsibility, enshrined in both American jurisprudence and Christian theology.

Elsewhere in the report, the authors use the word “vulnerability” in describing priests who committed the crimes.

The use of that word is bitterly ironic as applied to these priests. It was they who found and abused their young, truly vulnerable victims. And priests are called to rise above sin, not descend to its most disturbing fringe.

The report also makes a distinction between those priests who preyed on teenagers and those who abused prepubescent children. While that may matter to the psychiatrists who diagnosed and treated them, it is of no comfort to a 14-year-old abuse victim that his attacker was not, technically, a pedophile, but some other classification of deviant.

In explaining the downward trend of such incidents since the mid-1980s, the report points to the victims’ advocates groups calling for justice and tougher responses to abuse by bishops.

But for far too long, Catholic leaders looked the other way. Many people, male and female, gay and straight, came of age in the decades marked by changing mores. However, very few of them ever decided, even at their most promiscuous, to sexually abuse a minor. Too many priests did. And they got away with it for far too long.

The value of this study is in its painstaking and quantitive analysis of the scandal. Unfortunately, some of its conclusions are lacking the rigor of its statistical models.

What is called for now is a response from the Catholic Church that recognizes the role of personal responsibility — for priests and for members of the church hierarchy who allowed these acts to go on for decades.

Church Report Cites Social Tumult in Priest Scandals

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: May 17, 2011

A five-year study commissioned by the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops to provide a definitive answer to what caused the church’s sexual abuse crisis has concluded that neither the all-male celibate priesthood nor homosexuality were to blame.

Instead, the report says, the abuse occurred because priests who were poorly prepared and monitored, and were under stress, landed amid the social and sexual turmoil of the 1960s and ’70s.

Known occurrences of sexual abuse of minors by priests rose sharply during those decades, the report found, and the problem grew worse when the church’s hierarchy responded by showing more care for the perpetrators than the victims.

The “blame Woodstock” explanation has been floated by bishops since the church was engulfed by scandal in the United States in 2002 and by Pope Benedict XVI after it erupted in Europe in 2010.

But this study is likely to be regarded as the most authoritative analysis of the scandal in the Catholic Church in America. The study, initiated in 2006, was conducted by a team of researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City at a cost of $1.8 million. About half was provided by the bishops, with additional money contributed by Catholic organizations and foundations. The National Institute of Justice, the research agency of the United States Department of Justice, supplied about $280,000.

The report was released Wednesday by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington, but the Religion News Service published an account of the report on its Web site on Tuesday. A copy of the report was also obtained by The New York Times. The bishops have said they hope the report will advance the understanding and prevention of child sexual abuse in society at large.

The researchers concluded that it was not possible for the church, or for anyone, to identify abusive priests in advance. Priests who abused minors have no particular “psychological characteristics,” “developmental histories” or mood disorders that distinguished them from priests who had not abused, the researchers found.

Since the scandal broke, conservatives in the church have blamed gay priests for perpetrating the abuse, while liberals have argued that the all-male, celibate culture of the priesthood was the cause. This report will satisfy neither flank.

The report notes that homosexual men began entering the seminaries “in noticeable numbers” from the late 1970s through the 1980s. By the time this cohort entered the priesthood, in the mid-1980s, the reports of sexual abuse of minors by priests began to drop and then to level off. If anything, the report says, the abuse decreased as more gay priests began serving the church.

Many more boys than girls were victimized, the report says, not because the perpetrators were gay, but simply because the priests had more access to boys than to girls, in parishes, schools and extracurricular activities.

In one of the most counterintuitive findings, the report says that fewer than 5 percent of the abusive priests exhibited behavior consistent with pedophilia, which it defines as a “psychiatric disorder that is characterized by recurrent fantasies, urges and behaviors about prepubescent children.

“Thus, it is inaccurate to refer to abusers as ‘pedophile priests,’ ” the report says.

That finding is likely to prove controversial, in part because the report employs a definition of “prepubescent” children as those age 10 and under. Using this cutoff, the report found that only 22 percent of the priests’ victims were prepubescent.

The American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders classifies a prepubescent child as generally age 13 or younger. If the John Jay researchers had used that cutoff, a vast majority of the abusers’ victims would have been considered prepubescent.

The report, “The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2002,” is the second produced by researchers at John Jay College. The first, on the “nature and scope” of the problem, was released in 2004.

Even before seeing it, victims advocates attacked the report as suspect because it relies on data provided by the church’s dioceses and religious orders.

Anne Barrett Doyle, the co-director of BishopAccountability.org, a Web site that compiles reports on abuse cases, said, “There aren’t many dioceses where prosecutors have gotten involved, but in every single instance there’s a vast gap — a multiplier of two, three or four times — between the numbers of perpetrators that the prosecutors find and what the bishops released.”

David Clohessy, national director of the Chicago-based Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said that while the report contained no surprises, it had nonetheless been a disappointment because it did not include recommendations for far-reaching reforms, including limiting the power of bishops. Mr. Clohessy said this was critical because bishops had covered up many instances of sexual abuse by priests in the past.

“Predictably and conveniently, the bishops have funded a report that says what they’ve said all along, and what they wanted to hear back,” he said. “Fundamentally, they’ve found that they needn’t even consider any substantive changes.”

Robert M. Hoatson, a priest and a founder of Road to Recovery, which offers counseling and referrals to victims, said the idea that the sexual and social upheavals of past decades were to blame for the abuse of children was an attempt to shift responsibility from church leaders. Mr. Hoatson said he had been among those who had been abused.“It deflects responsibility from the bishops and puts it on to a sociological problem,” he said. “This is a people problem. It wasn’t because of the ’70s, and it wasn’t the ’60s, and it wasn’t because of the 1450s. This was something individuals did.”

Kristine Ward, the chairwoman of the National Survivor Advocates Coalition, said the cultural explanation did not appear to explain why abuse cases within the Catholic church have shaken places from Australia and Ireland to South America. “Does the culture of the U.S. in the 1960s explain that? It’s hard to believe,” she said.

William Donohue, president of the Catholic League, a conservative Catholic group, however said he believes permissiveness in the church in the 1960s and 1970s – particularly at seminaries – had been a significant reason for the rise in sexual abuse. Mr. Donohue said that while he generally supported the report’s findings, he believed that the study seemed to have purposefully avoided linking abuse cases with the increase in the number of gay men who became priests during the 1960s and 1970s. “The authors go through all sorts of contortions to deny the obvious – that obviously, homosexuality was at work,” Mr. Donohue said.

In Philadelphia, where a grand jury in February found that as many as 37 priests suspected of behavior ranging from sexual abuse to inappropriate actions were still serving in ministry. The archdiocese initially rejected the grand jury’s findings, but soon suspended 26 priests from ministry.

An essay in the Catholic magazine Commonweal last week by Ana Maria Catanzaro, who heads the Archdiocese of Philadelphia’s sexual-abuse review board, which is supposed to advise the archdiocese on how to handle abuse cases, said that the board was shocked to learn about the dozens of cases uncovered by the grand jury. Her essay raised questions about whether bishops provide accurate data even to their own, in-house review boards.

Still, the John Jay report says that when it comes to analyzing the incidence and causes of sexual abuse, “No organization has undertaken a study of itself in the manner of the Catholic Church.”

Because there are no comparable studies conducted by other institutions, religious or secular, the report says, “It is impossible to accurately compare the rate of sexual abuse within the Catholic Church to rates of abuse in other organizations.”

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StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
May 24, 2011 10:18 am

Gee whiz.

A 5 year study of why Catholic priests abused children. Excellent.

Ummmm, who commissioned the report, pray tell? The Catholic Church. BWAAAAAAAAA!

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Notafan
Notafan
May 24, 2011 10:58 am

Does the report say somewhere “a lifetime of no pussy tends to attract the wrong kind of people”?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
May 24, 2011 11:06 am

I ran into a group of fundamentalist evangelicals outside the hotel a few weeks ago.

Complete hypocrites.

They asked if I believed in the devil. I said no. They said God created the devil, Lucem Ferre. I said when you believe in something such as evil you give it control over you. People use it as rational as when they say ‘The devil made me do it” They use it to denigrate others and affix blame instead of being responsible. Then I told them that Lucem Ferre, which is latin for light bringer, which has morphed into Satan. cannot possibly come from Hebrew scripture and that this was a scribal error by Jerome. It was about a fallen Babylonian King. The guy I was debating with became angry and said that ‘language doesnt matter” I said it does matter because its what has led to this confusion about Lucem Ferre that has morphed into Lucifer or Satan today.

They would have none of it.

And I get the same feeling here.

The Bishops know they are wrong but they refuse to take responsibility and instead blame others, such as Woodstock hippies of days gone, by for their actions. In effect making other people the devil. The age old ministerial attack.

Its what Pat Robertson, for one of many, does. Earthquakes arent the fault of these pedophile priests its those gay people in San Francisco.

When did religion become something to bash others with in order to remove personal responsibility?

Its why I dont belong to any organized religion [or political group for that matter]

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
May 24, 2011 11:39 am

Kill Bill

It has been said that the greatest trick the Devil has is convincing the world he doesn’t exist.

I am afraid you have fallen prey to the Prince of Darkness’ tactics.

There is a Great Struggle going on in the world … right now … for the soul of man. It looks something like this.

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Open your eyes. Choose Light. Be saved. Join a fuckin Group for Chrissakes!

AwholeDr
AwholeDr
May 24, 2011 12:00 pm

Priests’ Mantra:

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StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
May 24, 2011 12:16 pm

“Justices upheld an order from a three-judge panel in California that called for releasing 38,000 to 46,000 prisoners”.

Jeezus. Releasing up to FORTY SIX THOUSAND prisoners??

The Priests are gonna have some serious competition.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/sc-dc-0524-court-prisons-web-20110523,0,2337401.story

KayGeeJay
KayGeeJay
May 24, 2011 12:16 pm

I suppose Woodstock had a supervisory seminar on methods for hiding child rapists from civil authority. Attention….Attention: Tips on legal strategies to avoid disclosure at the mud pit following Country Joe and the Fish…..

Perhaps handouts on how rapidly to transfer criminals among parishes to maximize revenue and minimize disruption were available at the medical tent.

I grew up catholic during the Age of Aquarius. Confusing? Yes.
Difficult to come of age when the old rules became objects of ridicule? You bet.

But no free love hippie I met would accept screwing children.

Unwashed, stoned, largely silly advocates of Utopian hope they were.
But their world did not envision adults forcing little Lavender, Sunshine or Rainbow to suck adult dicks.

This report confirms that the church remains led by sick bastards in purple dresses.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
May 24, 2011 12:29 pm

Stuck, the greatest feat the Devil has ever pulled off is the invention of religion. Not only does God have to watch his children kill each other, they do it in his name. If I hated God and really wanted to hit him where it hurts, religion is precisely what I would invent.

AwholeDr
AwholeDr
May 24, 2011 12:55 pm

The Devil/Antichrist shops at Wal Mart

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newsjunkie
newsjunkie
May 24, 2011 1:08 pm

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newsjunkie
newsjunkie
May 24, 2011 1:11 pm

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newsjunkie
newsjunkie
May 24, 2011 1:12 pm

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newsjunkie
newsjunkie
May 24, 2011 1:14 pm

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Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
May 24, 2011 1:49 pm

Shouldn’t it read Basement Cat vs Attic Cat? Or Floor Cat vs Ceiling Cat?

RE

Persnickety
Persnickety
May 24, 2011 1:53 pm

How many wars have been fought over the virtues of Ceiling Cat v5.3 compared to its arch-enemy Ceiling Cat v6.2? Not to mention Ceiling Cat v5.3 and its downtrodden enemy Ceiling Cat v4.8. And don’t forget all who were killed in the struggles between Ceiling Cat v5.3 and Ceiling Cat v5.4 Beta, Ceiling Cat v5.4 Alpha, Ceiling Cat v5.4 pre-Alpha, and finally Ceiling Cat v5.4 Release Version with .45 bug fixes.

No one even uses Ceiling Cat versions 1-3 any more.

Muck About
Muck About
May 24, 2011 1:53 pm

And then again, you have to have a sense of humor about some aspects of the Catholic Church or you’d go out and lynch the bunch of them.. For example:

Four nuns are standing in line at the gates of heaven. Peter asks the first if she has ever sinned.
“Well, once I looked at a man’s penis,” she said.
“Put some of this holy water on your eyes and you may enter heaven,” Peter told her.
He then asked the second nun if she had ever sinned.
“Well, once I held a man’s penis,” she replied.
“Put your hand in this holy water and you may enter heaven,” he said.
Just then the fourth nun pushed ahead of the third nun.
“Why did you push ahead in line?” asked Peter.
“Because I want to gargle before she sits in it!” replied the nun.

MA

newsjunkie
newsjunkie
May 24, 2011 1:56 pm

RE,

You’re right, but you’re trying to bring logic into it. Shouldn’t you be busy on that legal question we discussed? At least start scrubbing your past so you can’t be Spitzerized.

You might have to start with a brand new computer, though. I don’t know if it’s possible to clean up that much underage asian porn.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
May 24, 2011 1:57 pm

666

Huh. What does that remind me of.

A carbon atom with 6 protons 6 neutrons and 6 electrons.

We are a carbon based life-form

No wonder we cant get raptured!! 8)

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
May 24, 2011 1:59 pm

It has been said that the greatest trick the Devil has is convincing the world he doesn’t exist. ~SiNJ

Well thank heaven the pedo-priests are here to prove otherwise..

Buckhed
Buckhed
May 24, 2011 2:07 pm

My grandfather was born and raised a Catholic and when he was around 45 he converted to the Quaker church. I asked him why he converted? Hew said that the church he was attending got a new priest who was young and very handsome. The young ladies loved him and fawned all over him. One day after a trip to the lake with a large group from the church my grandfather observed how the young ladies paraded themselves in front of him. My grandfather asked him how he could deal with this attention ( my granddad loved the ladies…he was a faithful husband though) he replied ” Cal…I’m human”. That told my granddad that even though he had taken a vow of celibacy he was partaking of the fruits from some of the young ladies. My granddad said that any religion that asked a man or woman not to engaged in the natural enjoyment of sex, wasn’t for him.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
May 24, 2011 2:11 pm

@NJ

You must be living in the dark ages. Nobody keeps porn of any age on their own computers anymore. It’s all distributed out on Cloud Computing servers distributed across the internet. That way its available 24/7 on the 3G Wireless network by your Iphone. Just punch in asiansweeties.com and scroll through the latest selections.

RE

newsjunkie
newsjunkie
May 24, 2011 2:14 pm

The things that I learn here! I’m blushing now.

Buckhed
Buckhed
May 24, 2011 2:20 pm

Well if we are going to tell catholic priest jokes here’s one:

The janitor is cleaning the church when the arch bishop runs in and asks desperately to speak to the priest there. The janitor runs over to find Father Johnson who is in the confessional booths.

The priest tells him, “listen don’t tell any body I let you do this, but just sit in the booth there is a list of all the sins and their penance on the side of the wall…” the priest leaves the man to sit in the booth.

Eventually a young woman comes in

She says “Forgive me father for I have sinned it has been 5 months since my last confession.”

The man says “go on my child”
“well my first sin is impure thoughts about another man”

The man looks at the paper and says “say 5 our fathers”

“My second sin is intercourse with a man not my husband.”

“Say 6 hail marys”

“My third sin is anal sex”

The man looks at the sheet but cant find the penance for anal sex in a panic he runs out of the booth to find the priest but bumps in to an alter boy first and stricken he asks “QUICK, TELL ME WHAT THE PRIEST GIVES FOR ANAL SEX!?”

the alter boy responds ” Father Johnson gives me a Hershey bar and a coke.”

TeresaE
TeresaE
May 24, 2011 2:40 pm

Once again, if heaven if filled with the likes of Catholic Priests (and my aunt & uncle) that would be my own personal hell.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Apollo
Apollo
May 24, 2011 8:51 pm

Hmmm, yes, a training issue. I believe it.

Them priests need proper training on blow job, ass job, fellatio job. There are lots of training materials on these, for adults. But hardly any with alter boys, presumably. With proper training, the screwing can go on for centuries. The Vatican must develop this training and make available to all priests.

But I blame the nuns. Why don’t they do their part to ease the biological pressures on the holy fathers? Do they need training too?

Persnickety
Persnickety
May 24, 2011 9:11 pm

Apollo said: “Why don’t they do their part to ease the biological pressures on the holy fathers? Do they need training too?”

In all seriousness I believe that nuns WERE the safety valve through the 18th or perhaps 19th century, after which time women had much better options so fewer went to become nuns and the sister orders shrank very dramatically, and with greater equality and less reverence for the church, priests couldn’t get away with nearly as much with the nuns any more. I suspect this led to the situation we see now.

DogMan
DogMan
May 25, 2011 11:19 am

Catholic priests are gods revenge for not believing in Zoroaster, the only and original god. Christians are heathens and that is why your boys get molested.