ACTUAL PORTRAIT, SUBMITTED BY AVALON, OF PRESIDENT QUINN
FROM: SSS
Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee
TBP Nation
TO: The Honorable James Quinn
President
TBP Nation
Dear Mr. President:
I read with great interest, and great concern, your recent press release to TBP Nation, where you stated, “I favor legalizing drugs and shifting our expenditures towards treatment rather than criminalization.” I am aware that you have some very vocal and strong support for that view among some of your TBP Nation supporters, but as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I hope you find the following of interest.
Article II, Section II of the Constitution states, “(The President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senate present concur.”
As you know, under Presidents Kennedy, Nixon, and Reagan, the U.S. has signed three international treaties regarding illicit drugs, all with the consent of the Senate. There are, as of 2005, 180 national signatories to these conventions, which are as follows:
1. The 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. This convention was directed at cannabis, coca, and opiate derivatives, ie. marijuana, cocaine, and heroin.
2. The 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Drugs. This convention was directed at drugs such as amphetamines, barbituates, and LSD. Importantly, this treaty also states that nations have the discretion to substitute “treatment, education, after-care, rehabilitation, and social integration” for criminal penalties directed at drug USERS/ABUSERS.
3. The 1988 Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotic Drugs. This convention strengthened the language in the first two conventions and added controls on precursor chemicals and international money laundering.
Your stated written position on illicit drugs clearly implies that you would not only abrogate those treaties, but also nullify dozens of federal and state laws which have been passed in response to our treaty obligations. That’s going to be a Herculean task, and, according to most legal scholars, one on which you cannot proceed without the consent of the Senate.
Abrogation of treaties by the U.S. is exceedingly rare. Here are the two most famous examples, both of which were abrogation of bilateral, and not international, treaties.
1. In 1798, Congress passed the Act of July 7, which pronounced the U.S. freed and exonerated from the mutual defense treaties signed with France in 1778. At the time, the U.S. and France were in a quasi-war initiated by France when it starting seizing commercial U.S. ships carrying goods bound for Great Britain. When the law was passed, France had seized more than 300 U.S. ships. In Bas v. Tingy, the Supreme Court decided that this was legal since it was akin to a declaration of “public war” against the French Republic, a power granted to only the Congress by the Constitution.
2. In 1979, President Jimmy Carter declared that the 1954 Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty with the Republic of China (Taiwan) was null and void. Carter took this step when diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China were established. Enter Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, who sued Carter on the grounds that he did not obtain Senate consent. In Goldwater v. Carter, the Supreme Court did not rule on the issue, essentially throwing out Goldwater’s suit. The court ruled that the issue was a “political battle” between the Executive and Legislative branches based on the fact that the U.S. Senate never actually voted on the issue. Had the Senate done so and voted not to uphold Carter’s decision to abrogate the treaty, thus triggering a formal dispute between the Executive and Legislative branches, then the issue would have been reviewable by the court.
So there you have it, Mr. President. You may take a constitutional path, which will involve members of the Senate, or you may adopt the attitude of Jimmy Carter and French King Louis XIV, who said, “L’etat, c’est moi” (I am the State).
I remain,
Your most humble servant,
SSS
P.S. Let’s move away from this legal mumbo-jumbo, Mr. President, and cut to the fucking chase.
The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, just ruled that the state of Texas may proceed with the execution of Mexican national Humberto Leal, who was convicted of the 1994 brutal rape and murder of 16 year old Adria Sauceda. Here’s a brief description of what happened. Sauceda was found naked by authorities. A “bloody and broken” stick roughly 15 inches long with a screw at the end of it was also protruding from the girl’s vagina. Leal was high on cocaine the night he killed Sauceda.
I can hardly wait when “legal drugs” generate stories like this from coast to coast. Everyday. Guaranteed. Rest assured, Mr. President, I shall fight you on this issue every step of the way, on the beaches, in the air. I will never give up. I will never surrender.
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SSS
Please provide me the Article in the US Constitution regarding the illegality of drug usage.
Sound of crickets.
If I assumed power in the U.S., it would be as dictator. Drugs for all.
There’s something to be said for letting weak minded people Darwinize themselves.
Dictator my ass. You would go directly to Emperor for Life. Oh, the horror.
I just smoked a bunch of weed since drugs have been made legal by our renowned Leader, El Presidente Jim Quin. Will someone post pictures of excellent food or hot babes?
SSS busts out the “Political Questions Doctrine”!
Fuck junkies and coke fiends…
Pot is is silly…
I know it’s scent is a major factor in finding the former… the thuggin’ pushers always have it in their ashtray, but for fuck’s sake!
Let’s trade: Legalize pot in exchange for execution of meth/heroin/cocaine dealers on the spot, Singapore style, k?
when drugs are legal there are no pushers.
OK, let’s have illegal drugs but any public policy-maker is strictly prohibited from being under the care of a psychiatrist. Especially depression. Politicians shouldn’t be allowed to feel good about themselves artificially either, under any circumstance. Canes for violation, Singapore style… due process first, of course…
Dear President Quinn:
In response to your query, the answer is Section 8, Article I of the Constitution and Section 10, Article I of the Constitution. Interstate commerce is under the purview of Congress.
Your humble servant,
SSS
SSS: You forgot Article 6, the basis of your treaty argument:
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
As much as it pains me to say it, the Constitution is about as relevant and enforceable as the Dead Sea scrolls these days.
You’re a piece of work, Triple S. While I appreciate your passion for stamping out illicit drug use, you evidently don’t know shit about economics or human nature.
Given that we’ve been waging this ridiculous drug war for FORTY FUCKING YEARS without even a hint of achieving the drug warriors’ stated objectives, one would think that a thinking human being would say to himself, “Hmm, this ain’t working out so well. Maybe we ought to try something different.”
But not you, S Cubed! No, siree. Conjure up images of Churchill and silly senate findings to prove your retarded position. Yeah, that’s really compelling evidence that we ought to throw good money after bad, enrich drug lords, kills tens of thousands in turf wars, and be the unwitting victims of countless no-knock raids – all because cancer sufferers are seeking an appetite and a modicum of relief from their unimaginable pain.
Keep fighting the fight against vices, SSS! Maybe when America is a full blown police state, you can impose your twisted worldview on the rest of us. Meanwhile, please excuse me if I think you’re full of shit.
Llpoh: Because we elect dueschebag after dueshebag who want to always “DO” something, but never UNDO a dam thing. The US code is 40,000 pages thick… a testament to the idiocy of society in general. Add the treaties. Add state and local ordinances… add HOA’s and “Policy”. Using the Constitution as a fundamental text is like drilling into Fort Knox with all that extraneous horse-shit.
Holy shit guys, now we’re talkin.
Been pretty bleak up here in Montanaland.
If any one off you fuckwads have a spare bud…
SEND IT TO crazyivan
Don’t waste a second thinking about renumeration or consequences.
This whole TBP is getting better by the day/
Disclosure statement:
crazyivan inc. may at this time be at odds with DHS. Not to say that these fuckers have any basis in law.
Dictator for Life… Brutus waits in the Wings.
RE
@ Steve Hogan
What have I EVER said that I want the U.S. to become a police state? Please cut and paste that statement to destroy me.
My arguments in the article I posted are based on the Constitution. I’m sorry if that offended you.
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Crazy Ivan might want to wear a respirator while crop-dusting.
“Llpoh: Because we elect dueschebag after dueshebag “-Colma
It is spelled “DOUCHEBAG”, which you should know by now since its a regular feature of Admin’s Vocabulary.
RE
Yeah, yeah RE… my spelling is going the way of turds because of auto-correct and beer. D-O-U-C-H-E
Douchebag!
I think “Dueche-bag” could be a new German slur, no?
Like simple arithmetic because of calculators…
Idiot.
Might as well write a cool ad for the banksters, too. Too many treaties, can´t change nothing, uuh-buhuu.
Hope the crisis takes away government and drug-lord drones like this.
Look at Holland, moron.
That´s one of the main reasons the US is in this clusterfuck: 40 years of “War on drugs” has turned the mob into the gang at the very top with all the money.
The other side of that coin is the police state armament of the Feds.
If you don´t like people taking drugs, go look for another planet.
But leave us alone. Forever.
The “war on drugs” FOSTERS drug abuse, just like CDS FOSTER over-indebtedness.
No prohibition – no pusher at school.
Because the market price of the shit implodes.
If this is your idea of minimal government and free markets, go somewhere else.
You don´t even get the basics.
I hate to tell you this SSS but The US has broken treaties before when they conflicted with national interest.
1. many treaties with Indian tribes
2.the Kellogg-Briand pact (also known as the General treaty for the Renunciation of War)
SSSpook
http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/
Meanwhile, in Texas, also known as Amerikan Bizzaroworld:
http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwire/2011/07/willie-nelson-may-do-jail-time.php
Willie Nelson May Do Jail Time in Pot Case After Judge Rejects Plea Deal TMZ
“Willie Nelson is looking at possible jail time in connection with his latest pot bust after a Texas judge struck down a plea deal the country singer had worked out with prosecutors, TMZ.com reports.
“Prosecutors had agreed to reduce his charge of marijuana possession to misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia, according to the story. Nelson was expected to come away wtih a $500 fine.
“But the judge apparently felt Nelson was getting special treatment, and ordered that he be charged with misdemeanor possession of pot. That charge could put Nelson in jail for a year.”
Thanks Gawd for no nonsense, law-n-order judges who can make sure that the law applies and get this dangerous scofflaw, and his attitude, off the streets.
Another triumph for Amerikan drug laws. Texas, stand proud.
S,
You started this, it is your pain and no gain, but hey.
Have any of you ever flown into Singapore? On the front of the immigration card that you fill out on the plane before landing, it looks something like this:
_______________________
Welcome to Singapore
DEATH TO ALL DRUG TRAFFICKERS
_______________________
They really don’t fuck around. It’s the first thing they tell you when you go in. It isn’t a joke, they really will kill you. At any rate, Singapore has a pretty good tax system. No capital gains tax. No inheritance tax. Income taxes are progressive, from 0% to a 20% cap at over $320,000.
Fair enough SSS, but I really don’t think you can say that cocaine cause, or even contributed to that atrocity. That sounds like a reefer madness style argument. That Leal dude is/was a sick fuck who a) probably committed that act before, b) probably would have done it again if he wasn’t caught, and c) probably would have done it if he had a couple extra sugar lattes. Our last 3 presidents (at least) have ridden the white horse (and puffed the magic dragon) and as far as I know they only rape the American people en masse and the Constitution rather than individual women. I really doubt anyone one here would rush out to snort a line just because it can be bought at 7/11, nor would we be more apt to commit heinous acts against our fellow citizens (unless of course they are bankers – the TBP caveat). I see where you are coming from with your stance against illegal drugs, and I understand that addiction ruins lives (my uncle passed a couple years ago from cirrhosis from using dirty needles) but our legislation and paramilitary tactics are only succeeding in turning Mexico into Somalia and giving brown people extended stays in the booty house on the taxpayer’s dime… and it’s also not working worth a shit. It’s as pointless and wasteful as sending in our anti-Soviet massive military to hunt down a couple barefoot dudes in a cave. I don’t necessarily agree with your stance on drugs, but can you think of a better way than spending $15 billion plus a year on something that doesn’t stop or even deter this nation’s drug habit?
SSS,
Crickets?
SSS,
Suck on this article…
http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html
Lets talk about how the ATF dropped 30,000 high caliber weapons into the hands of the drug cartels. Why would they do such a thing? Maybe to enhance their agenda? What agenda? To disarm America.
@SSS: A fine eloquent post and nicely put to Pres. JQ..
#1. What man makes, he can sunder apart – re – treaties. Mostly not worth the paper they’re written on when it is no longer in the interest of a signature nation to ignore it.
#2. Fact: Prohibition of anything as far as a victimless act is impossible to enforce. Hence, something impossible to enforce is totally meaningless to criminalize. This fact has been proven time after time after time and needs no further justification than reading your history.
#3. I don’t like narcotics in any form, having once been addicted to prescription pain medications during a period when I was misdiagnosed for a medical condition. Having gone through the absolutely horrific process of shedding the addiction, I am still, unfortunately, in a situation where I must use pain meds to maintain a quality of life that is bearable for an old man. But I can guarantee you, I use them in a completely different way, monitoring their use so they do what is needed without causing me physical and mental problems nor am I addicted in any way any more. But I handle them with minute care. The point is, they have their uses in improving the quality of life (sometimes making life bearable at all) and with the current anti-drug crusade going on (especially here in Florida), to coin an old saying, the baby is likely to be thrown out with the bathwater.
#4. You cannot prohibit human nature. Outlaw sex (prostitution) and it accomplishes nothing but punish victimless actions. Outlaw booze and you have the same thing with the addition of a huge black market driven by thugs with guns and bigger police forces. Outlaw drugs (even minor ones) and you have the same damn thing we had 1923 to 1933 – roaring stupidity, anyone who wanted a drink got one and the cops and feds expanded hugely and wasted tons of otherwise productive money fighting a victimless crime of an individual drinking booze. We finally got smart and got rid of it.
#5. We ned to get smart again and get rid of all laws prohibiting victimless crimes, regulate it, tax it, offer societal sanctions and treatments for those who commit real crimes while undertaking whatever it is they are doing, discharge 50% of the prisoners now in jail, layoff 50% of corrections officers and declare a surplus of jail cells for the next 50 years. Our local Sheriff’s budget would drop by 50% as well and taxes would go down.
#6. I understand your visceral hate of narcotic drugs, SSS – I hate them too. As someone who has witnessed the disasters that the drug trade can produce, I don’t blame you a bit. But what we are now doing is not, does not and will not work. We need to try something new and different. We need to rethink the problem based on past experience, experiences of other countries who have mandated change in drug prohibition and accept the simple fact that you cannot regulate or outlaw actions based on a human’s desire to do something that doesn’t harm anyone but himself.
Still a nicely put together article and I enjoyed reading it. We just have to agree to disagree on how to fix it.
MA
3S argument seems to be that because some want to legalize drugs means they are in favor of drug use.
I dont think that way.
We know that sometimes when you make something illegal, as with prohibition, crimes rates go up. Its the illegal nature of these drugs that make them desirable because of the large profits that can be made.
Something about this thread reminds me of the Southpark episode where they made KFC illegal in Colorado and replaced it with a medical marijuana shop. All the Boomer parents microwaved their balls to make them swell up so they could get high on the weed. Meanwhile, Cartman was going through KFC withdrawal and had to go to the pharmacy to get a shot of KFC gravy that was now a controlled substance. He got involved with a gang illegally importing KFC and ended up going to see the Colonel (Sanders) in a Scarface parody like when Tony Montana went to Colombia.
There’s a reason Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol and hasn’t worked very well for much else. Honestly, we might save more money on medical care as a society if we did ban KFC and high fructose corn syrup, but trying to make everything illegal is just stupid. Typical Prophet (Missionary — Prohibition/ Boomer — War on Drugs) make-everyone-live-up-to-the-values-I-dictate crap.
Like Admin has done on so many occasions with the cold, hard facts on the economy and fiscal and monetary policy, so I tried to do with this article on legalizing drugs. It ain’t gonna be easy, if not downright impossible, to do so under our Constitution and system of laws. The purpose was to bring some bright light to the issue. Whether you agree or not, maybe you learned something.
And I purposely threw in that emotional outburst in the postscript just to stir up the natives. If you hadn’t fallen asleep by then, I wanted to get your heart rate back up and give you something to start wailing away on me. It worked.
AwholeDr
Fuck you. I do not find your comparison of me to Heinrich Himmler one bit funny, so go shove a 10-inch dildo up your ass, you miserable prick. Oh, that’s right. You’re such a huge asshole that you can take 20 inches without breaking a sweat. So fuck off.
To all the spoon-cooking, pill popping, dope smoking asswipes out there. Try giving that shit to anyone in my family and I’ll turn your head into a canoe.
SSS
Truly tasteless, I’m sure, but achieved the desired effect. At least the SS was effective at what they did. The CIA, on the other hand, not so much. Drugs are everywhere. The Federal government already regulates amphetamines, cocaine, opiates, even hallucinogens, PCP, Ecstasy, you name it, they regulate and even manufacture it. Where’s the big jump from research/medical treatment to consumerism? The Air Force has given out amphetamines to pilots for decades. That’s okay. Typical double-standard government bullshit. Keeps hundreds of thousands of brainless goons and defense contractors in private jets and spends hundreds of billions of dollars that somebody else earned.
With regard to the dildos, my rectum is exit only. Whenever grown men speak of shoving dildos up asses, it makes me wonder about latent homosexual tendencies. You can get help for that, or at least religion. Maybe a solo trip to San Francisco for the weekend, tell the wife your going to a conference. You can even give your adventure into homoerotic love a title, how about “operation jaw-breaker?” Relive the old days…
sss is not even capable of considering alternate viewpoints.
His mind is made up. Fuck the facts.
Arguing with him is a total waste of time.
Save yourself the frustration. Print out the picture below and follow the instructions.
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Part of the argument in legalizing drugs relates to the perceived difference in the mayhem when a drug is illegal versus when it is legal.
If we look to the alcohol experience, there was arguably more mayhem and law breaking when it was illegal. Trying to control all the bootleggers and moonshiners engendered a new army of fed.gov cops and regs. Its manufacture and sale engendered the mob. It was all about money anyway, remember the Revenuers? After legalization, alcohol’s price dropped, the safety of the product improved and it lost a lot of its mystique. Plus the alcohol taxes were a great boon to the treasury!
I forsee the same experience with marijuana. The mayhem in the marijuana world is NOT with the smokers, but with the GROWERS, namely the Mexican cartels, and the various federal agencies that try to control them. Crap, the Mexican government is losing their war with the cartels. The effects of marijuana on the human nervous system do not lead to the same crazy and violent behaviour that cocaine, pcp, meth and even alcohol do.
I do not see the same experience with cocaine, meth and pcp. The mayhem in that world is both the users and the suppliers, plus law inforcement. Those drugs are way way way too destructive and addictive. However, instead of locking these users up in prison, they need to be put on a work gang and work off their sentences that way. I have a lot of tree limbs that need trimming, aha, aha. That would “cure” a lot of the casual users. The intransigent users will keep using until they are dead or incarcerated, you can’t help them whether the drugs are legal or not.
I dunno know, here’s an interesting article from Colorado where medical marijuana dispensaries outnumber Starbucks. There is even a guy that “tests” medical marijuana for the local paper, I shit you not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011659/More-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-Starbucks-Denver-Colorado.html
Oops, I forgot. Guys, stop piling on SSS and SSS stop arguing back with dildos. We have a serious difference of opinion here. I do not agree with his viewpoint but am willing to try to discuss it without reference to rectums and sexual orientation. Sheesh.
AwholeDr said, “At least the SS was effective at what they did. The CIA, on the other hand, not so much.”
Quite a memory you have. Remember bin Laden? Probably not. The CIA hunted him down, found him, and put the op together to take him out. The SEALs just finished the job.
You don’t know squat about the effectiveness or successes of the CIA. The Agency doesn’t issue press releases about its successes, dipstick. Can you figure out why it doesn’t? Probably not.
Have I told you to fuck off lately? Why, yes, I have. But just to keep things really fresh in your addled memory bank, fuck off.
” … try to discuss it without reference to rectums and sexual orientation …”
That would leave most of us speechless.
I would vote for any candidate who promised to close down the CIA. And I’m not kidding.
TBP does not allow calm, disciplined, intellectual discussions, Hope… Here the monkeys grab handfuls of excrement and coat the walls with it so obfuscate any attempt at changing minds!
I find it refreshing after reading this weeks’ Economist or The Week. (Why is it that one can only find general and balanced world news in foreign publications? Both of the ones mentioned are Brit.)
MA
Hope
You said, “I do not agree with his (meaning me) viewpoint but am willing to try to discuss it without reference to rectums and sexual orientation.”
Fine, but anytime anyone who tosses the Nazi card my way is gonna get it with both barrels. I will get as nasty and profane as I can in response. No way on God’s green Earth am I gonna take that shit. The Nazi card tells me one thing about the person who plays it: he or she has run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time.
Stucky says, “I would vote for any candidate who promised to close down the CIA. And I’m not kidding.”
Good luck in finding such a candidate, who would just be blowing smoke up your ass anyway because no one person has the power to do that, not even the president. Did you read my article above and note how difficult it will be to legalize drugs? That won’t be a one-man operation, either, and even more difficult than shutting down the CIA. Legal land mines all over.
I think Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters have called for shutting down the CIA. It plays well in their congressional districts. Make yourself feel better by sending them a contribution.
“. I do not agree with his viewpoint but am willing to try to discuss it without reference to rectums and sexual orientation. Sheesh.”-HZK
Scat, Homophobia and other assorted juvenile napalm is not permitted on Reverse Engineering. You can actually hold a decent conversation to topic there.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/reverseengineering/
RE
Muck: GBES
SSS: Post a link to the coked-out Michigan guy who went on a spree.
RE, quit being a spaz.
@Colma
I’ll quit being a spaz when you quit being a jerk. Deal?
RE
Yeah… well Colma,
“Crazy Ivan might want to wear a respirator while crop-dusting”
Son, it is simply a safety issue. If you wear a respirator you have to flip it up for a smoke.
It blocks you vision – which is imporant when you are spraying.
RE: No
Ivan: Haha!
RE
“Scat, Homophobia and other assorted juvenile napalm is not permitted on Reverse Engineering”
So you come here to jack off?
Well I guess it is entertaining, about like watching a cat trying to fuck a chipmunk.
Ever noticed? They never seem to actually complete the act.