ACTUAL PORTRAIT, SUBMITTED BY AVALON, OF PRESIDENT QUINN
FROM: SSS
Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee
TBP Nation
TO: The Honorable James Quinn
President
TBP Nation
Dear Mr. President:
I read with great interest, and great concern, your recent press release to TBP Nation, where you stated, “I favor legalizing drugs and shifting our expenditures towards treatment rather than criminalization.” I am aware that you have some very vocal and strong support for that view among some of your TBP Nation supporters, but as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I hope you find the following of interest.
Article II, Section II of the Constitution states, “(The President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senate present concur.”
As you know, under Presidents Kennedy, Nixon, and Reagan, the U.S. has signed three international treaties regarding illicit drugs, all with the consent of the Senate. There are, as of 2005, 180 national signatories to these conventions, which are as follows:
1. The 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. This convention was directed at cannabis, coca, and opiate derivatives, ie. marijuana, cocaine, and heroin.
2. The 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Drugs. This convention was directed at drugs such as amphetamines, barbituates, and LSD. Importantly, this treaty also states that nations have the discretion to substitute “treatment, education, after-care, rehabilitation, and social integration” for criminal penalties directed at drug USERS/ABUSERS.
3. The 1988 Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotic Drugs. This convention strengthened the language in the first two conventions and added controls on precursor chemicals and international money laundering.
Your stated written position on illicit drugs clearly implies that you would not only abrogate those treaties, but also nullify dozens of federal and state laws which have been passed in response to our treaty obligations. That’s going to be a Herculean task, and, according to most legal scholars, one on which you cannot proceed without the consent of the Senate.
Abrogation of treaties by the U.S. is exceedingly rare. Here are the two most famous examples, both of which were abrogation of bilateral, and not international, treaties.
1. In 1798, Congress passed the Act of July 7, which pronounced the U.S. freed and exonerated from the mutual defense treaties signed with France in 1778. At the time, the U.S. and France were in a quasi-war initiated by France when it starting seizing commercial U.S. ships carrying goods bound for Great Britain. When the law was passed, France had seized more than 300 U.S. ships. In Bas v. Tingy, the Supreme Court decided that this was legal since it was akin to a declaration of “public war” against the French Republic, a power granted to only the Congress by the Constitution.
2. In 1979, President Jimmy Carter declared that the 1954 Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty with the Republic of China (Taiwan) was null and void. Carter took this step when diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China were established. Enter Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, who sued Carter on the grounds that he did not obtain Senate consent. In Goldwater v. Carter, the Supreme Court did not rule on the issue, essentially throwing out Goldwater’s suit. The court ruled that the issue was a “political battle” between the Executive and Legislative branches based on the fact that the U.S. Senate never actually voted on the issue. Had the Senate done so and voted not to uphold Carter’s decision to abrogate the treaty, thus triggering a formal dispute between the Executive and Legislative branches, then the issue would have been reviewable by the court.
So there you have it, Mr. President. You may take a constitutional path, which will involve members of the Senate, or you may adopt the attitude of Jimmy Carter and French King Louis XIV, who said, “L’etat, c’est moi” (I am the State).
I remain,
Your most humble servant,
SSS
P.S. Let’s move away from this legal mumbo-jumbo, Mr. President, and cut to the fucking chase.
The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, just ruled that the state of Texas may proceed with the execution of Mexican national Humberto Leal, who was convicted of the 1994 brutal rape and murder of 16 year old Adria Sauceda. Here’s a brief description of what happened. Sauceda was found naked by authorities. A “bloody and broken” stick roughly 15 inches long with a screw at the end of it was also protruding from the girl’s vagina. Leal was high on cocaine the night he killed Sauceda.
I can hardly wait when “legal drugs” generate stories like this from coast to coast. Everyday. Guaranteed. Rest assured, Mr. President, I shall fight you on this issue every step of the way, on the beaches, in the air. I will never give up. I will never surrender.
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This just in: Da Feds agree with SSS on marijuana being as dangerous as heroin. Scuse me, while I kiss the sky!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/federal-government-rules-that-marijuana-has-no-accepted-medical-use-.html
Matt
The article focuses on the fact that marijuana has no legitimate medical use, something that DEA has been saying for a generation now. DEA has spent TAX DOLLARS to have marijuana tested as a useful medical drug for certain medical conditions and found NOTHING of value.
1,400 medical marijuana shops in Los Angeles alone. Even liberal LA recently shut down 400 of them.
Having the DEA try and find medical uses for marijuana is like having MADD (Mothers Against Drunck Driving) try and find what routes are safest to drive home drunk .
SSS….lets start with the CIA telling the 9/11 commission that tapes regarding the water boarding of prisoners didn’t exist;which of course they did because they destroyed them in Nov. of 2005 in order to protect themselves and others from criminal prosecution . In addition the courts investigating the Abu Grahib asked that all CIA information regarding water boarding be preserved .
Did the CIA ever wire tap Jack Anderson’s phone ? Want to tell us about the Family Jewels reports SSS….or maybe Bill Colby’s revelations of the report into the illegal activities of the CIA…you remember him don’t you ?
Is the CIA allowed to do domestic spying on U.S. citizens SSS…I believe according to its Charter it isn’t . But then again the FBI does spying in Pakistan….not heresay SSS…fact.
SSS…my family member told me guys like you were above the law.
SSS…were you a part of the CIA-funded testing of American citizens to the reactions to certain drugs ? Are you having remorse for doing this to innocent American and that is why you are against the legalization of drugs ?
SSS is a Goobermint Apparatchik Retiree attempting to justify his life living off your tax money supporting the Military Industrial Complex. He’ll never acknoweldge the CIA is a corrupt organization, from his POV it defended Amerika and saved innumerable people from Drug Addiction. No matter how many there are now, in SSS construct there would have been many more had he not been battling against the evils of Drugs with his fellow CIA Patriots. Its a waste of time arguing with SSS, he’s quite happy whacking Golf Balls on his Goobermint Pension. Give it a rest here.
RE
HZK
Funny how not piling on even gets ignored. I provided one link, not from sources talking their own book, but from Forbes. The Portugal experience is useful information but the spook ignores anything that doesn’t hew to his mindset. You cannot have a sensible discussion with a True Believer.
But that’s half the fun of TBP. One can present points that might sound loony to someone who has never got out of their comfort zone.
I remember when my wife was dying, the last trip home. We had some modifications going on, her project, and she complained about the dust. They’d had her on morphine patches at the hospital, and a district nurse came to change. Apparently got the wrong dosage, as two hours later, it was ‘black dust on the walls, don’t like it.’ And two hours after that, ‘black bugs crawling’. So, yeah, I know the dark side of the force.
I also know the track record of ‘legal drugs’ in the U,S, just ain’t crash hot. If the ‘war on drug’ policy was applied to housewives on anti-depressants, it would decimate the society.And when a teacher says 70% of her class is on Ritalin, you gots to know the U.S. has totally lost its way.
@SSS ,
It’s funny you should choose the biggest war criminal ,largely responsible for WWI and WWII and your icon, in the history of the world.
Another funny thing is that while Washington cultivated hemp ,even sexing it,Churchill spent most of his day guzzling bourbon and shoveling mounds of roast beef with yorkshire pudding into his pie hole on the way to becoming the legendary fat drunken , spoiled rotten , trust fund baby he actually was..
You’re wrong again.
The Churchill Cult
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on June 24, 2008 12:19 PM
Pat Buchanan has The Churchill Cult pegged in his great new book, Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War. One reason for writing the book, says Pat, is:
“There has arisen among America’s elite a Churchill cult. Its acolytes hold that Churchill was not only a peerless war leader but a statesman of unparalleled vision whose life and legend should be the model for every statesman. To this cult, defiance anywhere of U.S. hegemony, resistance anywhere to U.S. power becomes another 1938. Every adversary is ‘a new Hitler,’ every proposal to avert war ‘another Munich.'”
“After 9/11, the Churchill cult helped to persuade an untutored president that the liberation of Iraq from Saddam would be like the liberation of Europe from Hitler. We would be greeted in Baghdad as our fathers and grandfathers had been in Paris . . . and George W. Bush would enter history as the Churchill of his generation . . . . This Churchill cult gave us our present calamity. If not exposed, it will produce more wars and more disasters . . .”
Pat is right on. The purpose of this Churchill Cult, like the Lincoln Cult, is to propagandize on behalf of statism and foreign policy imperialism.
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SSS there are lots of violent religious people. So we should also ban religion.
RE
Earlier in this thread, you said to Hope, “Scat, Homophobia and other assorted juvenile napalm is not permitted on Reverse Engineering. You can actually hold a decent conversation to topic there.”
Later you said, “SSS is a Goobermint Apparatchik Retiree attempting to justify his life living off your tax money supporting the Military Industrial Complex. He’ll never acknoweldge the CIA is a corrupt organization, from his POV it defended Amerika and saved innumerable people from Drug Addiction. No matter how many there are now, in SSS construct there would have been many more had he not been battling against the evils of Drugs with his fellow CIA Patriots. Its a waste of time arguing with SSS, he’s quite happy whacking Golf Balls on his Goobermint Pension.”
Yikes. What’s your definition of “juvenile napalm” and “a decent conversation to topic?”
@SSS
When in Rome, do like the Romans do.
RE
SSS
It’s very simple. RE is a hypocritical one trick pony douchebag. His scintillating website must be a little slow, so he comes to TBP to take a shit. The rich pigman railing against pigmen strikes again.
Addendum
Remember SSS, nobody has ever questioned my capacity for Throwing Smoke. TBP is THE place on the Net for Napalm Pitchers to come and show off how hard they can throw a Beanball, straight at your head preferably. LOL. I’m still here to Pitch some Heat with the rest of the Napalm Artists on the board. For more interesting debates, I am holed up over in Carthage with 50 other Carthaginians. URL of Carthage is
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/reverseengineering/douchebag
RE
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Addendum
After trolling TBP for weeks RE has enticed exactly 2 people to come to his worthless piece of shit website. I wonder what we’re all missing? Let me guess.
Blah blah blah capitalists are evil blah blah blah pigman blah blah blah the world is doomed blah blah blah why didn’t you love me daddy blah blah blah.
I think that about covers it.
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Jim..is that the picture of Juan Marichal beaning Dodger’s catcher Johnny Roseboro with the bat ?
Buckhed
No. It is me hitting RE with a baseball bat.
Actually its 3 people, but I’m not concerned with numbers, just quality.
Far as blah blah blah goes, how about another 30 Blocks of Squalor or People of Walmart or Fourth Turning thread here? That should perk things up. LOL.
RE
It’s great you are not concerned by numbers, but you come on TBP day after day trolling for people by posting the link to your deep scintillating website.
I don’t really need to perk things up because TBP is getting 2.5 million visitors per year. How are your visitor counts? I know. You don’t really want visitors.
You are nothing but an egotistical one trick pony hypocritical douchebag.
And I mean that sincerely. LOL 🙂 🙂 🙂
Save As Many As You Can. You have to keep fishing for a long time in a depleted pond to find any fish worth saving. I am a patient and persistent fisherman. 🙂
RE
Save As Many As You Can. You have to keep fishing for a long time in a depleted pond to find any fish worth saving. I am a patient and persistent fisherman.
RE
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Jim said ” No. It is me hitting RE with a baseball bat.”
ROTFLMAO !
Quit playing with your worm RE…you’ll go blind and have a hairy palm if you don’t !
HEY! RE doppelganger, I’m the only one allowed to do the RE segway pics!
Doppelgang RE arrives on the scene on schedule, along with the Imbecile Army of Syncophants. TBP at its BEST.
RE
RE insists on trying to push the envelope
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Mind over matter, right RE?
No, Mind over Jerks, Colma.
RE
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Can we PLEASE stay on topic here?!
Topic? There’s a topic here? Jerk.
RE
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Reverse Engineer is an Illuminati Pig Man who, after insulting people during a pertinent discussion, insults Colma Rising with horrible libel such as “Jerk”.
C’mon, RE… quit being so thin-skinned and skeezey. Give us some moses. That always cracks me up.
Pertinent discussion? ON TBP?!?! That is an Oxymoron keyboarded by Jerk who once was a Moron and was deprived of enough Oxygen to keep his brain functioning correctly.
RE
Yes, Reverse Engineer, yes… feel the hatred, let it consume you… soon you will attain Illumination!
Crap. I post an article on international drug trafficking treaties and end up with a flame war on the CIA and RE stopping by to take a dump. I bet if I posted Tillie’s Bean Soup recipe, which I actually did once, I’d end up with the same result.
Speaking of Churchill, Flash, I never said he was my icon. He isn’t. I chose that photo for me because of Churchill’s bulldog, stubborn image and because I paraphrased some of the words he used in one of his more famous speeches. Stop making leaps of faith.
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RE
C’mon, SSS… I’ve grown to enjoy tangling with RE on the weekends. He hates Indians and working people.
Only partially true. I hate Imbecile Indians and Jerk Working People.
RE
RE could learn a bit from the Y. RE can dream of the Right-hand path, but alas… he cannot change what is. His ego will not allow it.
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I hate stuffy Marin County Libtards who talk talk talk but when it comes time for the walk walk walk, they run…
How was the flight to Bolivia? Did the mine workers appreciate the certificates you gave them?
Or did you get side-tracked skiing the mountains of Bolivian Snow and seeing “God”?
Buckhed
Nearly all of the examples you cited about the CIA were done prior to the Church Committee hearings in 1974, after which some major reforms were undertaken at the Agency. Major. And most of those reforms involved severely restricting CIA activities in the U.S. For example, CIA wiretaps on two U.S. reporters. Yep. Guess who authorized them? Attorney General Bobby Kennedy.
Anyway, the CIA admitted to many of the things you noted, and, as I said, most of the domestic activities of the CIA were shut down in the mid-70s. For what it’s worth, I joined the CIA in 1987 and retired in 2007.
SSS…I meant to ask you…since you’re against abrogating treaties that would mean you’re in favor of the CIA agents who have used torture be subjected to charges for breaking both the Geneva Convention and The Convention Against Torture And Other Cruel And Inhuman Or Degrading Treatment Or Punishment ? Both treaties were signed by the USA .
So SSS you are saying the CIA never breaks the law now, no longer wiretaps American citizens and in general the agents skip to work and drop rose petals along their path ? If you think that then I guess you think the destruction of the torture tapes from Abu Ghraib against court orders and lying to the 9/11 where OK.
As to Bobby Kennedy OKing the wiretaps…Hmm he quit the Johnson administration early on so how was able to OK the wiretaps ? I believe he was dead when Anderson and Brit Hume were being wiretapped ?
Nobody can change what is Colma. Not even Helicopter ben can change what is by printing Funny Money. I don’t seek to change what is, merely to prepare myself for what will be. I stay out of the wayof silly discussions like whether Ron Paul would make a difference if he got elected as POTUS. I live outside of Big Shities which obviously are death traps. Here on TBP, for a while I tried to discuss these things sensibly, when that failed I retreated and now stay out of that also, and just participate as another shit throwing monkey. I still discuss the issues, just with fewer people now on Reverse Engineering and pop in over here to participate in the Napalm Game Jim promotes on TBP. This is what he wants, this is what is getting him his readership and Ad Clicks. I am happy to support that by Pitching Napalm here and instigating further Napalm Contests. That is my contribution now to TBP.
RE
RE
Aren’t your 50 doom worshippers missing you at douchebag central? If your dialogue is so deep and intelligent, why do you still spend half your day shitting on my site?
Face it douchebag. No one cares what you have to say. You have zero audience for your repetitive rants, so you have nothing better to do than come to a successful site that draws thousands of readers per day and take a shit.
You’re really pathetic.
Buckhed
Please point out to me where I said I’m against abrogating treaties. I never said that. What I did lay out in the article I posted is how very difficult it would be to abrogate the three international anti-drug conventions we have signed. Do I support those treaties? Yes. On the other hand, I would support the abrogation of the treaty we signed to create the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It’s a very costly and unnecessary Cold War relic and ought to be disbanded.
The CIA officers involved in the “enhanced interrogation” program were proceeding under the legal authority granted to them by the Attorney General with the approval of President Bush. Good enough for me. Maybe not for you, but it is for me.
Whether or not the lawyers at the Justice Department considered the Geneva Conventions we signed when they formulated the position on enhanced interrogation, I don’t know for sure, but I’ll bet they did. What I do know is that ALL key members of Congress were briefed on the program, to include the full membership of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, which included Nancy Pelosi at the time.
Yeah SSS they considered the Treaties…that’s why the tapes were destroyed.
Buckhed
I didn’t say the two reporters wiretapped were Jack Anderson and Brit Hume!! I never mentioned any names. Stop making shit up and making wild assumptions. Go look up the names of the two reporters yourself. And it was Bobby Fucking Kennedy.
The CIA does NOT conduct wiretap operations against American citizens here in the U.S., even citizens who happen to be employed by the CIA!! I worked in the same vault with Aldrich “Rick” Ames, who’s serving life for spying for the Russians. Both his home AND work phones were tapped prior to his arrest, and both wiretap operations were conducted by the FBI. That’s right, FBI officers tapped his work phone inside the CIA Hqs building and ran the entire operation inside the building for several months. I was working on the Saturday morning he was arrested and saw the team of FBI officers cleaning out everything in his office.
Then again SSS…I’m in favor of shooting all insurgents on the spot. To be afforded the Geneva Convention coverage you have to be in uniform…no uniform..you get shot…problem solved trying to pic out who’s an insurgent and who isn’t .
Reminds me of this snippet from Full Metal Jacket ….I loved this !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXt6NEV_Grc
I asked you about Jack Anderson SSS…..I didn’t ask you about anyone else..I didn’t ask about Kennedy..I asked you about Jack Anderson…get new glasses SSS
Buckhed
The person who ordered the destruction of the tapes was Jose Rodriguez, who was the Director of Operations at the time. I wrote an article entitled “Hooray for Jose” and posted it on TBP. He did it to protect the Agency and the officers in the “enhanced interrogation” program.
I knew Jose well. Outstanding officer. The Geneva Conventions didn’t have a damn thing to do with his decision.
Are you just making shit up because it’s a slow Saturday and you’re bored? Or do you just enjoy getting slam-dunked?
Did the CIA wiretap Jack Anderson..yes…did they wiretap Brit Hume…yes. So what part of that am I making up SSS…..Hmmm ?
Show me were Bobby Kennedy OKed the wiretapping of Jack Anderson ? If two reporters were wiretapped with the OK of Bobby..who were they,why were they wiretapped…Like I said…I only asked you about Jack Anderson.
Buckhed
You’re starting to bore me. Seriously. Ta dah.
OK SSS…so you are in favor of Lying to the 9/11 commission and to the Courts. After all they said the tapes didn’t exist. Your friend Jose belongs behind bars for destroying evidence . Yep he did it to keep them from being charged with war crimes.
Please tell me what I made up and be specific…you have a hard time with the facts.
If I was able to convert your brain to gas it wouldn’t be enough to propel a piss ants motorcycle around a BB.
By the way did you participate in the CIA’s LSD experiments ?
SSS..if you are an example of a CIA agent..it’s no wonder they rarely get things right.