GUESS TONIGHT’S ELECTION OUTCOME

Time for another TBP contest. There are 538 electoral votes up for grabs tonight. You need 270 to become President.

Please provide your guess for the final electoral count tonight.

As a tiebreaker, please provide your guess on the overall popular vote.

The winner of this contest will get an all expenses paid trip to Staten Island and be put up at a 2 star hotel without electricity or heat. As an added bonus, you will receive a FEMA tee shirt made in China that says:

I SURVIVED SUPERSTORM SANDY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID TEE SHIRT

Don’t forget – vote early and vote often.

In early results from Towamencin PA, Gary Johnson has racked up 1 vote.

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flash
flash
November 6, 2012 5:41 pm

Bullock , if We the People don’t put a pro-gun , America first , conservative leader like Romney in the oval office , we won’t have the right to buy an AR much less a 6.8SPC upper receiver to improve shots out to 300 yards by 2016.

Wyoming Mike, they’re were no mooslime form Kenya storming the beaches at Normandy, only men with the courage to put the Cosntituion and America first. True patriots like Romney.

This is American Republic’s last chance knocking on your door.will you let her in?

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flash
flash
November 6, 2012 5:43 pm

If Obama is reelected it’ll be on you commie third party voters’ head.
You know who you are!

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a cruel accountant
a cruel accountant
November 6, 2012 5:44 pm

269 each

Then civil war.

a cruel accountant
a cruel accountant
November 6, 2012 5:46 pm

Voted for G Johnson and a guy with the first name of Nimrod. Could not pass that up.

Stucky
Stucky
November 6, 2012 6:01 pm

Hating Obama is so, like, five QEs ago.

I hope Romney wins.

I need fresh meat to loathe for the next four years.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 6, 2012 6:09 pm

a cruel accountant says:

“Voted for G Johnson and a guy with the first name of Nimrod. Could not pass that up.”

LOL! I don’t see how that could go wrong! Nimrod might be Obama’s long lost brother from Kenya. They look exactly alike except Nimrod is three feet tall. After SHTF, they will join forces to rule Bartertown as Master Blaster. Under My Thumb by the Stones will play 24/7 as background music for your bartering pleasure.
I_S

Kepi
Kepi
November 6, 2012 6:22 pm

ACA, I know a guy named Nimrod, and that was a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever found one. And he’s not a bad guy. He’s funny, sometimes fairly insightful, but if you ever wanted a picture of “poor life decisions”, it’s that guy. The combination of badluck and lack of foresight is unparalleled.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 6, 2012 6:33 pm

Dont be hating on us toofless Pleiadians we are voting for the same two you are.

Bullock
Bullock
November 6, 2012 7:07 pm

Flash, Romney signed in 2004 a permanent ban on assault weapons while Governor of Mass. He described assault weapons as “instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” In my book he is just another clueless fuck. And Romney is about as conservative as Bush was.

As far as that voting thing I went to do. There was a 3 hour line to vote and I had more important things to do such as get a few pair of jeans. Damn, Sears was empty, I do believe they are toast.

Who knows, when you cast your vote for Johnson it probably automatically goes to either Obamy or the clueless fuck. With the technology we have today why should you have to wait so long. I can cook a fucking turkey faster than I can vote. Plus standing in line with a bunch of lost sheep is no way to spend an evening.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:25 pm

Romney pulls ahead for an early lead . No thanks to the Johnson’s pack of commie curs.

Real Americans will not soon forget those whop turned their back on the great conservative American patriot , Willard Romney.

He’s one of US fer chrisakes..

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

Destin
Destin
November 6, 2012 7:28 pm

Flash go fuck yourself you pathetic, delusional sheep. The lesser of two evils got us to where we are today and only a complete imbecile like you would think that the very same will lead us out of it. I’ve got all the guns I need already and whoever tries to take them will find themselves staring down the barrel of one.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:36 pm

Bullock , that was the old Romney.He now believes it’s the right of Americans to own whatever weapon they choose to mount on a turret in the back of their truck

He’s been reborn to fulfill the Mormon prophecy of saving this Republic and third party curs go off chasing moonbeams and rainbows in a homo marriage promoting, ex-hippie, pot huffing governator.

I’m taken a back at the lack of American exceptionalism shown by those who throw their votes away on a third party johnson come lately.

John A
John A
November 6, 2012 7:37 pm
Stucky
Stucky
November 6, 2012 7:37 pm

As I mentioned in another post, I am not voting this year. Fuckit.

From The Daily Bell … this guy gets it.

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Best Way to Make a Difference in Today’s Vote

Tuesday, November 06, 2012 – by Anthony Wile

Anthony WileThe Washington Post published an interesting editorial yesterday, entitled “What kind of president would Obama be in second term?” I have my own thoughts, but let’s take a quick look at this article, which provides us with a serious, even scholarly, set of questions and prognostications.

At the end of this editorial, I’ll provide an action point that people can take advantage of regarding the election. But first, we’ll review how Obama and his challenger, Mitt Romney, might act if in power over the next four years. The Post article is a great jumping-off place.

The article begins by pointing out that even if people think they know who Barack Obama is and what he stands for, the big question remains, “How would the experience of his first term inform and shape a second?”

We also learn that Obama seems on his way to answer this question as he has a slight lead, according to most polls. Mitt Romney has continued to fight hard but I agree that Obama is likely to win. He is obviously the establishment candidate and the power elite that apparently placed him in office doesn’t want him to leave with his job half done.

Now that the article has set the stage, there are still more questions to ask. Here, from the article:

Would he become what he promised in 2008 but was not in his first term, a leader with the talents to guide a divided political system to a consensus on the country’s most intractable problems?

Would the scars from a series of bitter fights with Republicans make him more or less inclined to make compromises he might have made in his first term?

What would animate him in a second term?

What would he pursue for his legacy?

We learn that Obama has “expressed confidence that, as a newly reelected president, he could produce the grand bargain with congressional Republicans on a plan to deal with the federal deficit that he could not reach in the summer of 2011.” Another priority will be immigration reform, which not even President George W. Bush was able to accomplish.

Neither the “grand bargain” nor immigration reform were much discussed by Obama during the campaign. In fact, the Post confides, Obama, like Romney, “has a five-point plan.” It includes: more jobs, expanding domestic energy, adding money for education and training, reducing the US war budget and redirecting the US infrastructure.

It is explained that these sorts of goals – especially the rarely stated goals of immigration reform and deficit reduction – are part of what his advisers call “Obama’s political DNA.” In other words, Obama is a compromiser and a reasonable man and will govern even more in this style in his next term.

The article follows up this observation with a portrayal of Republicans as disputing this perspective. For Republicans, Obama is an “ideologically driven, big-government liberal whose ambitions all point left, and they think that a second term would bring more.”

It will be up to Obama to define how he will work with the Republicans if he wins again. Will it be a repeat of the first four years, a term that was surely steeped in acrimony?

Here, there is some good news amidst the bad, from the Post’s perspective. While running a surprisingly “hard-edged” campaign, Hurricane Sandy gave the incumbent a chance to make a plea for more cooperation between the two parties.

In fact, we learn, “New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), who has been one of the president’s harshest critics, has become Obama’s protector, offering praise for the way he has responded to the storm.”

The Post ends on a doubtful note. It is impossible to ascertain how Obama will act during a second term but one thing is certain: If he wins, “he will have a second chance to show what he is all about.”

You can see from this recitation that the Post editorial writer is fairly undecided about how Obama will perform during a second term. I am not nearly so uncertain. In fact, I will go so far as to say I can predict how BOTH candidates will react were they to win (or regain) the White House. Let us consider the similarities between them, as follows:

•Both are pro-foreign interventionist policy
•Both cater to the military-industrial complex
•Both are in the employ of the international banking cartel
•Both will expand government
•Both will expand anti-liberty/freedom laws
•Both will support a war on Internet freedom
•Both will continue the war on drugs
•Both will continue to support regulatory growth
•Both will support FATCA and alienate US Marts
•Both will continue current tax structure
•Both will support bailouts for corporate elite
•Both will suppress militarily any anti-government voices

In practice, citizens of the US will become angrier, poorer and less secure in their privacy and property. Even when it comes to precious metals, the end result will be similar.

If Romney wins by some chance, gold and silver will go down for a little bit based on the misapprehension that Romney is more fiscally conservative than Obama. Once Romney’s performance has shown he is just as irresponsible – mad – as Obama, gold and silver will continue their rise. If Obama wins, gold and silver will discard a momentary dip and probably simply continue the upward trajectory of the past decade.

It is really too bad that these ended up being the US’s two main choices. But really, one has to admit that even were someone like constitutionalist Congressman Ron Paul to have been elected, the structure of Leviathan would be resistant to any change.

The US is basically run by a larger power elite based not just in the US but also in the City of London, the Vatican and Tel Aviv. In fact, the country and its wars are part of a larger, quickening elite effort to create world government.

And so, again, nothing will change. The US will continue to be a morally, spiritually and financially bankrupt entity – one spiraling down toward the bottom of a slide greased with fiat money and militarism promoted by powerful entities intent on further degrading what is left of US exceptionalism.

Action point: ——– Those who want to make a difference via the election process would do well to avoid voting and encourage others to do the same. The first step to taking back whatever is still good in the “US” is to withdraw one’s approval of what’s now taking place.

ecliptix543
ecliptix543
November 6, 2012 7:42 pm

Flash, please elaborate the ballistic advantages of the 6.8SPC vs 5.56 at ranges in excess of 300 yards. I’d love to hear all about that, far more so than any of the Imperial Anointing Ceremony currently underway. Besides, the info might be relevant to the next four years.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:43 pm

Destin , I hope you wife, girlfriend/ crack whore hookeryou hired likes wearing a burqua, because that’s what she’ll be wearing if Obama is re-elected.

And, if you’re OK with the Constitution being replaced by Sharia law and being labeled a second class dingleberry because you don’t kneel towards Mecca five times a day, then go ahead and cast you vote to allow the Kenyan Muslim to assrape our great nation.

You had a choice and you blew it. May Mohamed have mercy on your sphincter.

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flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:48 pm

ecliptix543 , haven’t clue or a need for a 6.8 SPC. If I see one laying around on the battlefield after third party curs elect Obama ,again after Ob am declares war on Christians I doubt I’d pick it up.

I’d wanna be totin’ something that shoots what everyone else is shooting, i.e. miltiray/police force.
5.56
7.39
7.62
30/06
45.

and nothing else.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:52 pm

Electoral votes.

Obamey – 3

Romeny – 33

I’m going to new Jersey shores!

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:53 pm

oops,
that’s Romney @ 24.
I guess I got excited about going to NJ.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:55 pm

Damn , I was right the first time.

Romney is @ 33.

Damn, two dark star motel , here i come.

Wyoming Mike
Wyoming Mike
November 6, 2012 7:55 pm

Flash gots his magic underwear on!

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 7:59 pm

WM, I’m rocking my mighty mormon tighties.
We need HZK live blogging Obamey ass whooping

ecliptix543
ecliptix543
November 6, 2012 8:01 pm

Withdrawal of Consent is the only way to win.

ecliptix543
ecliptix543
November 6, 2012 8:08 pm

Flash, I also have no use for 6.8. I think most people that are at all serious about the issue of owning such weapons also realise the advantages of operating only the most common calibers. 5.56, 7.62×39, 7.62×51, 9mm, .45ACP, and the always-useful .22LR. Pick and choose from those, plus a decent 12ga, and then move to the other preps. 6.8 was a boutique distraction from start to finish.. pointless and expensive. Same goes for .300AAC.

Hollow man
Hollow man
November 6, 2012 8:12 pm

You will not have any guns very soon. Or coal.

Eddie
Eddie
November 6, 2012 8:18 pm

Don’t overlook .308. There is much better availability of .308 than 30-06 anymore.

My Nazi Mauser .308 custom with Shilen barrel and Timney trigger is a great shooter.

At 300 yards, the glass you’re looking through is just as important as your gun, unless you have very exceptional vision. I like Leupold.

I don’t think availability of ammo is quite such a big deal for a side arm personally. How many times do you think you’re going to go into battle with a pistol? I’m shooting a CZ52 in the 7.62×25 Tokarev. It’s pretty cheap, and it has nice ballistics.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 8:23 pm

ecliptix543 , my nephew just had a sweet deal on a 7mm with scope, but I passed because the ammo was super expensive and sometimes unavailable.

I’m no trick shooter or ballistics buff , so I’ll stick to the common as dirt calibers.
I’ve never had a problem hitting what I aim at.

BTW, and i say this with the utmost confidence.There has been more deer killed in my area by rednecks wielding .22 cals a la’ 10/22 than any other caliber available.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 8:29 pm

Eddie, .
308’s a good choice.You can shoot 7.62 from a .308 rifle , but I’ve heard that .308’s are too hot to fire from a 7.62.
And same with 5.56 and .223.

ecliptix543
ecliptix543
November 6, 2012 8:34 pm

Flash, I believe if you research it, you’ll find that more people are killed every year with .22 than any other caliber as well. I guess people just look at the tiny little bullets and think they’re the same as a pellet gun or something… maroons.

*.308 is usually interchangeable into 7.62×51 chambered rifles. ALWAYS check first with your specific rifle, of course, but most anything set up for the NATO-spec 7.62 will shoot .308. Similar to 5.56 will eat .223 all day long, but you’ll risk a minor explosion and potential of a slight death or two by running 5.56 in a .223.*

ecliptix543
ecliptix543
November 6, 2012 8:39 pm

Eddie, the disadvantage I see with unusual calibers like Tokarev’s is that the bullets are far more easily identifiable, forensicly speaking. Really common shit is much, much more difficult to isolate. Just say in’….

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 8:39 pm

ecliptix543 , I’ve fired thousands of 5.56 FMJ rounds though a .223 Ruger ranch rifle with no problem so far.
I don’t own a .308 or a 7.62 so Ib can’t attest to that , but 5.56 no problem here.

harry p.
harry p.
November 6, 2012 8:41 pm

Common ammo is the way to go, i love the way the fn five seven and ps90 shoot (and that they shoot the same round)but the 5.7 is a pain unless u do ur own loads.

harry p.
harry p.
November 6, 2012 8:41 pm

Common ammo is the way to go, i love the way the fn five seven and ps90 shoot (and that they shoot the same round)but the 5.7 is a pain unless u do ur own loads.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 8:41 pm

ecliptix543 , dead on about the .22 cal.
A thirty round clip in a 10/22 will lay down a curtain of lead.
And know of a few deer dropped where they stood by a well placed head shot , fired from a .22 cal pistol.

jaycee
jaycee
November 6, 2012 8:45 pm

HP , the FN five seven is a damn fine pistol.i almost bought one last year , but backed down…still interested though.

flash
flash
November 6, 2012 8:46 pm

sorry, jaycee, that last post was me.

harry p.
harry p.
November 6, 2012 9:00 pm

308 is becoming more and more common.
I have only fired 2 mags worth thru a 5-7, liked it, easier to control than my m9.
But the ps90 is great, so comfy and natural. Fired atleast 500 rds theu a buddies but cant bring myself to spend that much while adding another caliber to the stable. My buddy can get away with it, single, no kids and a dillon loader.

youcanthavemyglock
youcanthavemyglock
November 6, 2012 9:28 pm

5.7? yeah have fun paying 1$ per round at a minimum, that’s ridiculous. and just because you fired 5.56 in ur .223 rifle doesn’t mean its safe, i’d always consult with manufacturer before doing it.

AKAnon
AKAnon
November 6, 2012 9:32 pm

Ruger Mini-14, although technically considered .223, is rated from the factory to function safely and reliably w/ 5.56. Some other .223s cannot handle 5.56 safely. .308 and 7.62×51 are dimensionally identical, and safe to fire interchangeably, EXCEPT that gas operated semi-autos (like M1-A, M-1 Garand in .308) should not use commercial ammo unless loaded for gas guns (Federal makes a M1-A load. Also a 30-06 Garand load). 150 grain is probably OK, heavier bullets will typically be loaded with too slow a powder and although peak pressure will be OK, you’ll have too much pressure at the gas port and bend your op rod. Hand loads using appropriate powders can allow heavier bullets, but with reduced performance. Adjustable gas guns like FN-FAL, can use the heavier bullet factory loads if you adjust the port down. Re 30-06 Garands, same thing about commercial ammo-keep it at 150 grains, or 168 gr match loads unless you reload.

ecliptix543
ecliptix543
November 6, 2012 10:35 pm

AKAnon – Nice write-up on the .308 vs 7.62×51 situation, thanks. I haven’t owned one or had a chance to play with one on a range, so I have no firsthand experience. If I can ever manage to score a decent paying job and/or hit the lottery, a brand new Springfield M1A is next on my acquisitions list. Talk about fucking expensive… too rich for my current circumstances.

How about the Kel-Tec PMR30? A semi-auto pistol, 30+1 capacity of .22WMR… I could foresee a shitload of fun times with that, and still relatively cheap to feed. I’ve become something of a fan of the ol’ .22 Mag in the past couple of years. Good performance out to 150, my Savage can even put up 1.5 to 2″ groups at 225 with cheap FMJ’s – although I don’t know how much ass it still has that far out of course. 1/2″ groups at 100 or less even with a hot barrel also inspires confidence for me – shot placement can always make up for a sub-caliber round in a pinch.

AKAnon
AKAnon
November 6, 2012 11:18 pm

.308/7.62 is a very versatile caliber. Not quite as versatile as 30-06 for heavy bullets. An ’06 bolt rifle can handle from 110 grain varmint loads to 220 grains, although I see little point in over 180 or 190 grain loads. I use 165 or 180 for moose and bear. .308 can be loaded w/ 180 grain bullets, but you lose 200 fps or more compared to ’06. But 7.62 ammo comes in many interesting flavors, including military surplus. M1-A is, imo, an excellent choice for a battle rifle, and still widely used in high-power competition, although AR-15 is more common. But as noted above, you need to watch the loads. FYI-you can get a used M-1 Garand in 30-06 from the Civilian Marksmanship Program for about $600 http://www.odcmp.com/ but beware-you will need to provide personal info. Rules also require proof of membership in an approved club and participation in a sanctioned match.

I have never been too big a fan of 22 WMR-not that much performance improvement over high performance 22 LR. In a short barrel pistol, I doubt the improvement is measurable, but in a rifle, 22 WMR does step it up a bit. But if I need more than 22LR, personally I go to a center-fire. If you don’t reload, maybe 22 WMR fills a significant niche. Similarly, I was never a big fan of 30 carbine (a great caliber, I should think, for hunting dog-sized critters. But I don’t hunt dogs). But it is a fun round to shoot, and from a carbine, certainly more effective than most any handgun cartridge. As originally conceived, as an alternative to a sidearm (1911) for the non-infantry GI, it is a good choice for home or short-range vehicle defence. But it doesn’t reach out too far-maybe 150 yards or so. I shoot .308 and 30-06 bolt guns to 1,000 yards.

Idaho
Idaho
November 6, 2012 11:24 pm

im sorry but obama is a coward and because he let the ambassador die when he couldve saved him by sending help that was less than an hour away

AKAnon
AKAnon
November 6, 2012 11:25 pm

Fox News just called the election for BO. Forget I said anything about guns-I know nothing, nothing. (In my best Sergeant Schultz voice)

AKAnon
AKAnon
November 6, 2012 11:29 pm

Idaho-Don’t be sorry. Be angry.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
November 6, 2012 11:33 pm

As much as I detest Obama, I just can’t help but smile. Tonight is Ron Paul’s revenge. The lesson for the gop that they will not learn, is that they need us. They have to change or they won’t win the presidency for many years.

Llpoh
Llpoh
November 6, 2012 11:42 pm

This is the first time, but not the last, that I say I told you so. Smokey and I called this 2 years ago. The Free Shit Army plus all of the drones and the SSDI and the unionists plus the people of color plus the students on government loans, etc etc etc are just too numerous.

And compounding the problem is that these groups hate anyone actually earning their keep – those are the rich, and it cannot be allowed for them to be affluent – they must pay their fair share. Their fair share is they must forfeit it all.

May God have mercy on the US, as there is nothing left that I recognize.

sensetti
sensetti
November 7, 2012 12:03 am

Hat tip to Llpoh for being right…….again…
Would someone please tell me what going over the physical cliff will mean to us all, cause we goin over, gridlock for four more years.
Scratch the gridlock, Obongo will govern by Executive Order.
Good night America

ASIG
ASIG
November 7, 2012 12:30 am

The decline in our standard of living will accelerate in the next 4 years. Of that I am certain.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
November 7, 2012 12:45 am

This is thevworst possible outcome. A bitterly divided nation going right off the fiscal cliff led by a psychopathic narcissist like Obama.

I predict a massive stock market crash, gold-silver to spike and further downgrades in our credit rating. It will be such a wonderful day when the dollar crashes.

Well, this is The End of America as a great place of liberty, freedom and opportunity. I weep for my children’s future, for what could have been but is lost forever. We had our chance to choose self reliance, personal responsibility and self empowerment but it seems the mass of the FSA was too great and the allure of a life of handouts and dependence too strong.

Forward to the abyss. Abandon all hope

SSS
SSS
November 7, 2012 12:56 am

Just got up from a nap. Damn, I feel refreshed and ready to go.

I’m guessing John McCain will win, but it’s gonna be really close.