Maybe you want to discuss it. Maybe you don’t.
I am in shock. I can’t “get used” to this. Deeply sad … it’s Christmas, dammit! When will this crap end?? So much for “Fun Friday”. Nothing is fun in America anymore, is it?
27 dead —- 20 dead kids
Are you crying today? I am.
NEWTOWN, Conn.—
An official with knowledge of Connecticut school shooting tells the Associated Press that 27 people are dead, including 18 children. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, sources told the Hartford Courant. The gunman is reported dead.
One official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way, says the man apparently had two guns.
The shooting was reported at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, in western Connecticut. State police say Newtown police called them at about 9:40 a.m. about the reports.
Newtown is in northern Fairfield County, about 45 miles southwest of Hartford and 80 miles northeast of New York City.
Eight-year-old Alexis Wasik, a third-grader at the school, said police were checking everybody inside the school before they were escorted to the firehouse.
“We had to walk with a partner,” she said.
One child leaving the school said that there was shattered glass everywhere. A police officer ran into the classroom and told them to run outside and keep going until the reach the firehouse.
Earlier reports of a second shooter are unconfirmed.
This is a horrific story. I couldn’t imagine losing a kindergarten age child in such a horrible way. My prayers go out to the families of these children.
In about three minutes, this will become a story about gun control. There are already PR maggots creating the storyline to convince the public that this tragedy could have been prevented if no one could own a gun.
The person who did this was unhinged. The person who shot up the mall in Oregon was unhinged. The person who shot up the movie theater in Colorado was unhinged. Maybe we need to examine why more and more people are becoming unhinged.
Do you think it might have something to do with our increasingly corporate/fascist state?
Do you think it might have something to do with an economic system that has resulted in tens of millions giving up hope for a job or a chance at a better tomorrow?
Do you think it might have something to do with the media that lies, misinforms, and glorifies violence and war?
Do you think it might have something to do with a society that values material possessions over human decency and love of our fellow man?
Do you think it might have something to do with living under a government that wants to control every aspect of our lives and promises far more than it can ever deliver?
God help us!
Pray for the little ones and the survivors.
What is the point of going on a rampage inside an elementary school? This is totally disheartening. I have four kids, three in elementary school, I feel sick to my stomach.
I only turn to Fox when CNN breaks to commercial. Megyn Fox just asked, “I wonder what the parents are thinking.”. Really, Megan? This is one reason I hate her more than any other teleprompter-reader on television.
You are correct, Alexistan. God help us, indeed.
There was also a monster that went on a rampage in a Chinese school today with a knife. Too many monsters in this world.
http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story
Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China
By Terril Yue Jones
Reuters
1:48 AM EST, December 14, 2012
BEIJING (Reuters) – A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on schoolchildren in the country.
The man attacked the children at the gate of a school in Chenpeng village in Henan province, the Xinhua news agency reported.
Police arrested a 36-year-old man, identified as villager Min Yingjun, Xinhua said. It did not give further details of the extent of the injuries.
There have been a series of attacks on schools and schoolchildren around China in recent years, some by people who have lost their jobs or felt left out of the country’s economic boom.
The rash of violence has prompted public calls for more measures to protect the young in a country where many couples only have one child.
In 2010, a man slashed 28 children, two teachers and a security guard in a kindergarten in eastern China.
Don’t know how to think anymore.
Absolutely gut wrenching watching the young children being interviewed,
Sounds a lot like the Dunblane school massacre, which has not been really well explained.
I really cannot imagine any reason why a person, even a mentally ill person, would go shoot up an elementary school. I am wondering what psychoactive medications the shooter was on, since nearly all mass shootings seem to be connected to a shooter on psych meds.
Initial news reports talked about two gunmen… which doesn’t seem to be the line in latest news reports.
I would chalk that up to ordinary confusion, but it seems like that exact same set of developing facts follows most mass shootings – initial reports of two or more gunmen, quickly changed to a single gunman who is already dead. Yeah, I’m wandering into conspiracy territory, but it does seem like a recurring theme, and that the shooting and its victims is always wildly irrational and of a type that really, really, really inflames peoples emotions.
Admin
You ask terrific questions. We’ll know how to answer them once we know more about the shooter. I believe all we know at this point is he’s about 20 years old and from NJ and with “ties to the school”. There may be a second shooter. Also, Sandy Hook, CT like Columbine is a fairly well off community.
You are 100% correct about this being almost immediately becoming political talking point about gun control. You know the mantra; never let a good crisis go to waste.
NEWTOWN—
Twenty-seven people, including 18 children, have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, according to the Associated Press.
The report cites an official with knowledge of the situation.
Sources told The Courant that there are at least 20 shooting victims. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, sources said.
One entire classroom is unaccounted for, sources said.
A person believed to be a shooter is dead. Earlier reports of a second shooter are unconfirmed.
Three people were brought to Danbury Hospital, but their condition is unknown. The emergency room is on lockdown.
Police were still searching the school at 11 a.m., and police dogs had been brought in. Around noon, the triage area was broken down, stretchers were taken away and the SWAT team left the building.
Shortly after 9:40 a.m., police reported that a shooter was in the main office of the school. A person in one room had “numerous gunshot wounds,” police said.
Groups of students — some crying, some holding hands — were being escorted away from the school by their teachers. Some students were still in the school at 10:30 a.m., parents said.
School and local emergency officials are accounting for the children, who will be released to their parents to get them home. A staging area has been set up at the Sandy Hook fire department, directly in front of the school.
Frustrated parents are trying to get information from officials, who were still actively searching the school.
Vanessa Bajraliu, a 9-year-old fourth grader, heard the shots.
“I saw policemen — lots of policemen in the hallway with guns,” she said. “The police took us out of the school. We were told to hold each others’ hands and to close our eyes. We opened our eyes when we were outside.”
Her brother, 17-year-old Mergim Bajraliu, a senior at Newtown High School, was at his nearby home when he heard shots, he said. He first went to a neighbor’s house.
“Then we heard sirens,” he said.
He rushed to the school on foot and saw a girl being carried out, he said. She looked badly injured. Another girl had blood on her face, he said.
Mergim soon found his sister and took her away from the scene.
Parent Richard Wilford said his Sandy Hook second-grader, Richie, heard what he described as “pans falling” when gunshots rang out. He said that his son told him that the teacher went to go check, came back in and locked the door and told the students to stand in the corner.
“What does a parent think about coming to a school where there’s a shooting” It’s the most terrifying moment of a parent’s life … you have no idea,” said Wilford.
Eight-year-old Alexis Wasik, a third-grader at the school, said police were checking everybody inside the school before they were escorted to the firehouse.
“We had to walk with a partner,” she said.
One child leaving the school said that there was shattered glass everywhere. A police officer ran into the classroom and told them to run outside and keep going until the reach the firehouse.
Audra Barth, who was walking away from the school with her first-grade son and third-grade daughter, says a teacher took first-graders into the restroom after bullets came through the window.
It doesn’t matter how old your child is when they die, it leaves a hole in you heart forever. Thankfully, God’s Grace is sufficient to get a parent through such a terrible time. May God comfort all the families affected by this sensless act of violence.John
One problem ( as regards the Aurora, Colorado, Virginia Tech and the Tucson shooting of Rep. Giffords) is the confidentiality of psychiatric records. In all these cases the shooters were clearly mentally disturbed young men who had recently been under psychiatric care. That may or may not be the case here but obviously gun background checks should work in retrospect as well.
A psychiatrist/mental healt professional needs to be able to determine if their patients have bought firearms and notify law enforcement in the event they have. The mental patient may have to surrender their weapons if their doctor feels that would be in their and the public’s best interest. I recognize that most doctors are going to recommend weapons be surrendered to protect themselves and few doctors are going to be willing to certify the sanity of their patients such that they can get their firearms back but what is the alternative? To allow obviously insane people to keep their weapons?
A law enforcement official says the attacker in the Connecticut school shootings is a 20-year-old man with ties to the school.
The official said that a gun used in the attacks is a .223-caliber rifle. The official also said that New Jersey state police are searching a location in that state in connection with the shootings, said by an official in Connecticut to have left 27 dead, including 18 children.
The official in Washington spoke on the condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.
I am numb.
I can’t get up from my chair.
Sad doesn’t even begin it, Stucky.
Shooter’s name is Ryan Lanza
Sangell – while I agree with you in concept, in an ideal world, here’s some problems:
-many doctors, and especially psychiatrists, are inherently anti-gun
-it only takes one doctor, who may not even have a meaningful understanding of the patient
-if you read the article about “pissed off is a disease,” you’ll see that almost any attitude, behavior, or outlook other than being in a soma-like happy trance is now labeled as a form of mental illness.
-the administrative system for putting people on a “no guns” list has been rigged, by a mixture of Democrat policy in Congress and typical bureaucratic laziness and power grabs, so that once a person has been put on that list, even by mistake, it is nearly impossible to be removed, and to even try requires expensive legal representation in nearly all cases.
In short, the system you propose, if enacted in the current United States, would very nearly be a total ban on civilian gun ownership.
we definitely gotta ban elementary schools, if the school wasn’t there it would never have happened
persnickety, i 100% agree, the post about moodiness being a “disease” immediatley came to mind for me as well.
sangell’s proposal would work in an ideal world but if an ideal world existed people would never use a gun or any other weapon to aggress against one another anyway
reading this i cried at my desk, my son is a few years away from going to school (maybe) but my wife also taught k-garten for a short while before being disgusted with the profession and union bs. the thought of losing them to a shooter while at an elementary school paralyzed me for a few moments.
the root issue is people having the desire and will to commit an act like this and the mentality (ie stupidity) of those in power that the best solution is to require these people to be unarmed targets susceptible to attacks by maniacs and/or disarm the victimized populace.
and so the 4th turning deepens…
Except in extreme and obvious cases mental illness is virtually impossible to detect.
A study done not too long ago … details vary as I’m going from memory … but the principle holds.
Five actors were given a script for a “mental disease”, Each visited about 20 psychologists / psychiatrists. The 20 docs came up with about 15 DIFFERENT diagnosis for each patient … NOT ONE was able to detect the “patients” were actors.
Do not forget this” “mental illness” was/is the main tool in East Germany, Russia, North Korea, and any other despotic regime to silence/imprison/execute the masses. America may be next. Perhaps we’re already there.
Gunman? Gunpussy.
I’m sick after reading this.
I fucking hate guns, but I have a permit to carry one and always do because I have an obligation to protect my family. When I taught school for a year after hanging up my flying cap I was outraged. Schools, post offices and churches only let criminals carry guns.
You’re a sitting duck at any of these places and, as we can see yet once again, there are some sick fuckers out there and like admin says, why? The economy ain’t helping sanity.
@stuckey
Yeah, I realize that as well as the fact that people can buy guns off the street and avoid background checks entirely but my guess is this event is going to be the final straw. Chuck Schumer or someone like him is going to draw up a gun control measure that will be draconian and dare anyone in Congress to vote against it.
Latest … just heard it on the radio. 2:35PM
24 years old. Police went to his apartment and there was a dead body. Police went to his parent’s house in Hoboken NJ, and they were found dead.
Here he is;
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In case picture doesn’t lnk;
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/14/fox-news-confirms-suspected-connecticut-school-shooter-was-24-year-old-ryan-lanza/
Glock, it would be more appropriate to ban motor vehicles, since schools haven’t been implicated in proportionately as many deaths as vehicles. Of course the anti gun lobby is going to come out of the woodwork. However, no one has a constitutional right to drive a motor vehicle.
Increased volatility and civil unrest is the new normal. One can blame the state for it’s failure to protect those children. Decentralization and less central control is the answer to coping with societies myriad problems, but no statist wants to hear it. I hold them responsible.
By Pete Williams and Jonathan Dienst, NBC News
Updated at 11:37 p.m.: A teacher’s son clad in black and carrying two handguns rampaged through a Connecticut elementary school Friday, killing 18 small children and seven adults, including his mother, in the nation’s second-worst school massacre, law enforcement officials said.
Reports indicated most of the dead children were in the classroom of the shooter’s mother.
The gunman, identified as Ryan Lanza, 24, was also found dead at the scene, a federal law enforcement official said. Lanza’s mother is a kindergarten teacher at the Newtown school.
A second person is in custody for a possible connection to the shooting.
I agree psychiatry is quackery but in the case of Sung Cho ( Va. Tech) and Jared Lochner ( Tucson gunman) faculty and students had reported their concerns about these guys and that Aurora movie theater gunman had been rejected by another school with the the notation ‘under no circumstances is this man to be admitted to this university’!. When non psychiatrists come to the conclusion a person is dangerously unstable and they have no reason to be biased or cause the person trouble you gotta believe there is a problem.
We require the elderly to take driving exams to renew their license and I don’t think it unreasonable ( especially today’s events) to require those who are under psychiatric care to have to affirmatively demonstrate they are sufficiently stable to continue to own their firearms. Clearly psychiatrists need to be able to determine if their patients have bought firearms and at least be aware if they have or do so they can discuss it with the patient and notify law enforcement.
In ages past when someone did something horrible and incomprehensible it was blamed on demons, now people automatically blame mental illness. It seems that it is hard to believe that someone would consciously choose to do such evil, so there must be something to blame, rather than freewill.
Dr. Thomas Szasz – briefly discussed this in his essay about the Arizona murderer, Jared Loughner.
http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/senseless/#axzz2F3eCVtq6
WTF does Obama have to address the nation for?
Oh. My. God.
My prayers and thoughts go out to all the parents who have lost their precious children today at the hands of this Monster.
Ryan Lanza’s Tweets. Unedited. Plenty of stuff to analyze.
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theres a lot of bad bitches in the building
the feeling when you know youve lost everyone who used too care about you <<
Nothing feels worse than being ignored by the person who means the most to you.
i want my bestfriend back.. why did everything have to change… again
i would actually love if the world ended in 2 weeks
when im pissed as fuck and people try to make me laugh << like no, just stfu
depression… fml…
i truely feel that the world would b a better place without me, im not depressed or anythin its just im thinken about what would b different
blowen all my black ops money
fuck parents
i dont remeber what happiness feels like
i hate loving someone that doesnt love you back
This is the most gut wrenching ……….in a long time……
anger, grief, and why?????
Two of my kids are still in elementary school.
Why can’t these fucking monsters just put a bullet into their own brains and skip the whole killing other people part? Jesus Christ, ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT
Latest.
Lanza’s mother was a teacher at the school. He killed her. It appears he killed his father who lived in Hoboken.
test
admin, Obama can’t let this golden opportunity slide, Nancy Pelosi, Bloomberg and Eric Holder just popped huge boners and cannot wait to pass more anti-gun measures.
Also, WTF, Washington Post says he was 20, other sources say he was 24? At first they said he used assault rifle, then it was .223 rifle and now it’s 2 handguns? Soon we’ll find out he used a copy of the Constitution to kill those toddlers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if CIA/DHS staged the whole thing.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if CIA/DHS staged the whole thing.” —- youcanhavemyglock
Ridiculous and not funny.
I could be wrong.
But I think this is the first time Obama was sincere.
“He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.” — Psalm 147:3
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-14/newton-ct-elementary-school-shooting-tally-rises-27-dead-whom-14-children
CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody.
Stucky, I wasn’t trying to be funny. Do you know about Fast and Furious scandal? Oh it’s when Obama and Holder encouraged Arizona gun dealers to sell firearms to Mexican gangs so they can kill US border patrol officers and civilians in Texas, so Obama could later say: ‘look guns are bad!’
There were also quite a few strange things in Denver shooting this summer with the shooter’s father linked to Us Military/DARPA.
It’s not that ridiculous, only 30+ US Citizens dead in exchange for more ridiculous strict gun laws? Obama’s dream deal.
I’m speechless.. almost.
I’m hearing that the shooter’s entire family is dead. Mom shot, Dad dead in Hoboken, brother dead in Hoboken, shooter dead.
Matthew 18:6
“Whoever harms one of these little ones that believes in me, it would be better for him if a millstone where tied around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the ocean.”
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I read that he had 4 firearms on his person.
it appears his mom was the person he went after in the school after having killed his dad in nj, she taught kindergarten there and it appears most of the child victims were in his mom’s class.
how deranged does a person have to be to shoot approximately a dozen 5 year old kids???
youcanthavemyglock
OK. Very sorry for the over reaction. I’m having a bad day … as are you and all of us.
One of my 10 predictions was that an idiot would shoot up a school or a mall and that would be the trigger for banning guns.
This is it folks. Get ready.
harry p
Read his tweets @3:05
This is it folks. We have to do something about these guns. It is time!!
We cannot allow politics to stop us. It is time for action. The dead children cry out to us for action!!
No more guns!!
@harry p. ‘how deranged does a person have to be to shoot approximately a dozen 5 year old kids???’
a person living in Obama’s recovery? Graduating with college degree into a jobless market with a lot of student loan debt, this economy is crushing young people. When you can’t find a job, u have no money, u feel worthless and it will tie up to your family/gf. This could or could not be the case here but people like this guy may not be as crazy as you think he is, just desperate.
Stuck, bullshit that Fucker Obama was sincere. I saw it, the fucker didn’t get a sentence out before he was calling for gun control. Fuck him. We need no more criminal safe zones is what we need.
Stan
You are 100% correct.
At least one person so far doesn’t understand your sarcasm. To that person, Stan is also against banning forks so that fat people can get skinny. You got it now?