Maybe you want to discuss it. Maybe you don’t.
I am in shock. I can’t “get used” to this. Deeply sad … it’s Christmas, dammit! When will this crap end?? So much for “Fun Friday”. Nothing is fun in America anymore, is it?
27 dead —- 20 dead kids
Repost from a parallel thread on the Diner,
RE
The shooter was apparently the 20 year old son of a teacher in the school, which was an elementary school. He apparently had Asperger’s Syndrome, and the guns were his mother’s. she apparently liked to Target shoot. He killed his mother then proceeded to the school where he sent around 6 adults and 20 kids to the Great Beyond, before heading there himself.
According to Wiki, Asperger falls under the rubric of Autism type “disorders”.
Quote from: Wiki
Asperger syndrome
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asperger syndrome (AS), also known as Asperger’s syndrome or Asperger disorder, is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other autism spectrum disorders by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not required for diagnosis, physical clumsiness and atypical (peculiar, odd) use of language are frequently reported.[1][2]
The syndrome is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, studied and described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy.[3] The modern conception of Asperger syndrome came into existence in 1981[4] and went through a period of popularization,[5][6] becoming standardized as a diagnosis in the early 1990s. Many questions remain about aspects of the disorder.[7] There is doubt about whether it is distinct from high-functioning autism (HFA);[8] partly because of this, its prevalence is not firmly established,[1] and it has been proposed that the diagnosis of Asperger’s be eliminated, to be replaced by a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder on a severity scale.[9]
The exact cause is unknown. Although research suggests the likelihood of a genetic basis,[1] there is no known genetic etiology[10][11] and brain imaging techniques have not identified a clear common pathology.[1] There is no single treatment, and the effectiveness of particular interventions is supported by only limited data.[1] Intervention is aimed at improving symptoms and function. The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness.[12] Most children improve as they mature to adulthood, but social and communication difficulties may persist.[7] Some researchers and people with Asperger’s have advocated a shift in attitudes toward the view that it is a difference, rather than a disability that must be treated or cured.[13][14]
What the article fails to mention is that Autism/Asperger rates in the population are dramatically increasing here, likely due to the various poisons we all are ingesting all the time these days. The Psych community though doesn’t seem to be aware of that:
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Diagnoses of Autism on the Rise, Report Says
By BENEDICT CAREY
Published: March 29, 2012
The likelihood of a child’s being given a diagnosis of autism, Asperger syndrome or a related disorder increased more than 20 percent from 2006 to 2008, according to a report released on Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The new report estimates that in 2008 one child in 88 received one of these diagnoses, known as autism spectrum disorders, by age 8, compared with about one in 110 two years earlier. The estimated rate in 2002 was about one in 155.
The frequency of autism spectrum diagnoses has been increasing for decades, but researchers cannot agree on whether the trend is a result of heightened awareness, an expanding definition of the spectrum, an actual increase in incidence or some combination of those factors. Diagnosing the condition is not an exact science. Children “on the spectrum” vary widely in their abilities and symptoms, from mute and intellectually limited at one extreme to socially awkward at the other.
Anyhow, a 20% rise in 2 years is pretty remarkable overall, and 1 in 88 children with the problem makes for a statistically very strong probability one of them will Go Postal on any given day.
These folks likely have little psychological mechanism for handling the social problems that are increasing here, so one aspect feeds on the other.
From the POV of TPTB, it is an easy out to pass it off as another “disturbed” person “going crazy”. Issue of course is we seem to have an ever increasing number of disturbed people going crazy.
Perhaps the best way to look at this one is as the 5th Horseman.
RE
It feels like the world is a cauldron of evil that bubbles up and destroys goodness.
Those poor souls. God help their families.
via Drudge… ledes say it all.
Bloomberg: Obama Must Take ‘Immediate Action’ Against Guns…
Boston Mayor: Time For ‘National Policy’…
MURDOCH: ‘When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?’…
ALEX JONES: ‘THE FIX IS IN, THEY’RE COMING FOR OUR GUNS’…
The democrats are out in force to use this tragedy to do away with guns. There has been several of these shootings but this is the one which will break the dam.
We better buy all the guns we can now Executive orders can do almost anything.
Remember, this president has promised to “fundamentally change ” America
He will do it too.
Reverse Engineer – read that there’s a lot of Asperger babies being born to parents from Silicon Valley. Could be the combination of two Aspergers coming together.
“The one thing that almost all researchers in the field agree on is that genetic predisposition plays a crucial role in laying the neurological foundations of autism in most cases. Studies have shown that if one identical twin is autistic, there’s a 90 percent chance that the other twin will also have the disorder. If parents have had one autistic child, the risk of their second child being autistic rises from 1 in 500 to 1 in 20. After two children with the disorder, the sobering odds are 1 in 3. (So many parents refrain from having more offspring after one autistic child, geneticists even have a term for it: stoppage.) The chances that the siblings of an autistic child will display one or more of the other developmental disorders with a known genetic basis – such as dyslexia or Tourette’s syndrome – are also significantly higher than normal.
The bad news from Santa Clara County raises an inescapable question. Unless the genetic hypothesis is proven false, which is unlikely, regions with a higher than normal distribution of people on the autistic spectrum are something no researcher could ask for: living laboratories for the study of genetic expression. When the rain that fell on the Rain Man falls harder on certain communities than others, what becomes of the children?
The answer may be raining all over Silicon Valley. And one of the best hopes of finding a cure may be locked in the DNA sequences that produced the minds that have made this area the technological powerhouse of the world.”
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers_pr.html
Let’s assess the facts:
White male – Check
Loner – Check
Parents divorced – Check
Unemployed – Check
Classmates thought he was weird and avoided him – Check
Mentally Ill and on medication – Check
Clearly depressed – Check
“LETS BAN GUNS!!!!!!” say the liberal do-gooders – Check
LET’S BAN DIVORCE
His parents, Nancy and Peter Lanza, separated about a decade ago, and his mother, a kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook, remained in the family’s home with her sons, Adam and Ryan Lanza, according to Ryan Kraft, 25, who was a neighbor.
The separation hit the children hard, Kraft recalled.
When Nancy Lanza would go out to dinner with friends, she sometimes relied on Kraft to watch Adam Lanza, who was too boisterous for Ryan Lanza to manage. “He would have tantrums,” Kraft said. “They were much more than the average kid [had].” Yet he was not prone to violence, Kraft said.
“The kids seemed really depressed” by the breakup, Kraft said of the Lanza brothers.
One simple question: Why did this school not lock its doors?
Locked doors and limited access to the school might have at least slowed this guy down.
I thought every school secured its entrances now. Most schools started locking down after the Laurie Dann school shootings in 1988 in Winnetka, IL, a wealthy Chicago suburb. Since that awful event, we have had dozens of school shootings in this country and a preponderance of them take place in small, often wealthy, communities. You have to be living at the bottom of a well to think it can’t happen in your community.
I read that this school had a double door lock system that required ID to be shown to access the school after 9:30 am.
Anybody else have trouble sleeping last night?
+1 !!
“Gun-free zones are simply killing fields for mass murderers.” – Ted Nugent
+1 !!
Good read Greybeard / YouJimbo.
When I did my CCW training I had no idea in a short time I’d be teaching for a HS for a short stint. I have no fucking college education and had to threaten the school with a law suit to graduate since I realized that a better way to cut gym so I could work was to just not sign up for the bullshit to begin with.
The bizaro part was that the CCW training was more than what was required by law. The place I went to had a simulator and cops used it for training. They ran scenarios, traffic stops, residential robberies, hostage situations and school shootings. The school was the worst, I got into it with the LEO when he said I had a clear shot. I didn’t. First I couldn’t see the shooters pants, what if a good guy subdued the shooter at gun point. Second, I wanted to be inside the door in case an innocent tried to slip out. He didn’t push back at all on those merits.
This world has no fucking common sense.
One thing I’ve noticed is that some towns don’t have tactical teams, those are the worst to read about because the cops don’t go inside.
Society thinks it is flying.
It isn’t.
Our cliff is this. It isn’t just resources, or economics. Or meds, or psychologists who think they know what the fuck their doing and don’t.
This shit (society) is 100 percent fucked. It isn’t working at all.
Ray Anderson from “The Corporation” says it best here.
I learned from RE that Aspergers is named after an Austrian pediatrician.
There’s also; Sigmund Freud,. Victor Frankel (logotherapy). Josef Breuer (forerunner in psychoanalysis). Leo Kanner (child psychiatry). Franz Mesmer (developed hypnotism therapy). Erwin Ringel (presuicidal syndrome)
WHAT THE HELL IS IT WITH AUSTRIANS AND THEIR PROPENSITY FOR PSYCHOBABBLE??? (asks an Austrian who often gets side-tracked in his “deeper meaning” type discussion posts, and who’s significant other is a lovely professional psychobabbler. lol)
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Also, what is the meaning of “INTJ” ??
INTJ (introversion, intuition, thinking, judgment) is an abbreviation used in the publications of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) to refer to one of the sixteen personality types.[1]
INTJs are one of the rarest of the sixteen personality types, and account for about 1–4% of the population.[2][3]
The MBTI assessment was developed from the work of prominent psychiatrist Carl G. Jung in his book Psychological Types. Jung proposed a psychological typology based on the theories of cognitive functions that he developed through his clinical observations.
From Jung’s work, others developed psychological typologies. Jungian personality assessments include the MBTI instrument, developed by Isabel Briggs Myers and Katharine Cook Briggs, and the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, developed by David Keirsey. Keirsey referred to INTJs as Masterminds,[4] one of the four types belonging to the temperament he called the Rationals.[5]
Trouble sleeping +2. I don’t remember the last time I had a real nightmare but boy did I have a vivid one last night, dreamed I was taken hostage by 3 guys with machine guns and V for Vendetta masks at a convenience store.
My 13-yo nephew has Aspergers so I’ve seen it up close for some time. Now that we’re getting more insight into this guy’s head, it is more than a little unnerving to see how similar my nephew is. He is at least surrounded by a large and loving, supportive family.
This might be picayune given the enormity of the tragedy but I watched a rebroadcast of Obama’s remarks on a large HD TV and if you look closely you will notice that Obama is truly a remarkable man. His ‘tears’ flow uphill. His first swipe at his eyes show Obama’s left index finger reach up and wipe a portion of his left eye socket above both eyelids. He makes this same mistake on about half of the six tear swipes.
It seems Obama has taken a page from the Bill Clinton playbook when Clinton, realizing he was on camera as he left the funeral of Ron Brown, went from a jocular demeanor to a somber, teary eyed man in an instant to include the obligatory wiping away of a non existent tear.
As I said picayune perhaps but to me despicable. Obama had plenty of time to compose himself before he went on camera and it is not necessary to be physically shedding tears to show one is saddened by a terrible tragedy. Close ups do show his eyes looking watery but a drop of visine in each eye would accomplish the same effect as deeply felt emotion. I simply do not believe Obama was crying hours after he learned of the horrific shootings.
INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion “Does it work?” to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake … INTJs are known as the “Systems Builders” of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait of combining imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause; both perfectionism and disregard for authority come into play. Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ’s Achilles heel … This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals … Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense.
—Marina Margaret Heiss[12]
INTJs are analytical. Like INTPs, they are most comfortable working alone and tend to be less sociable than other types. Nevertheless, INTJs are prepared to lead if no one else seems up to the task, or if they see a major weakness in the current leadership. They tend to be pragmatic, logical, and creative. They have a low tolerance for spin or rampant emotionalism. They are not generally susceptible to catchphrases and do not readily accept authority based on tradition, rank, or title.
INTJs are strong individualists who seek new angles or novel ways of looking at things. They enjoy coming to new understandings. They tend to be insightful and mentally quick; however, this mental quickness may not always be outwardly apparent to others since they keep a great deal to themselves. They are very determined people who trust their vision of the possibilities, regardless of what others think. They may even be considered the most independent of all of the sixteen personality types. INTJs are at their best in quietly and firmly developing their ideas, theories, and principles.
—Sandra Krebs Hirsch[13]
Hallmarks of the INTJ include independence of thought and a desire for efficiency. They work best when given autonomy and creative freedom. They harbor an innate desire to express themselves by conceptualizing their own intellectual designs. They have a talent for analyzing and formulating complex theories. INTJs are generally well-suited for occupations within academia, research, consulting, management, science, engineering, and law. They are often acutely aware of their own knowledge and abilities—as well as their limitations and what they don’t know (a quality that tends to distinguish them from INTPs). INTJs thus develop a strong confidence in their ability and talents, making them natural leaders.
In forming relationships, INTJs tend to seek out others with similar character traits and ideologies. Agreement on theoretical concepts is an important aspect of their relationships. By nature INTJs can be demanding in their expectations, and approach relationships in a rational manner. As a result, INTJs may not always respond to a spontaneous infatuation but wait for a mate who better fits their set criteria. They tend to be stable, reliable, and dedicated. Harmony in relationships and home life tends to be extremely important to them. They generally withhold strong emotion and do not like to waste time with what they consider irrational social rituals. This may cause non-INTJs to perceive them as distant and reserved; nevertheless, INTJs are usually very loyal partners who are prepared to commit substantial energy and time into a relationship to make it work.
As mates, INTJs want harmony and order in the home and in relationships. The most independent of all types,[14] INTJs trust their intuition when choosing friends and mates—even in spite of contradictory evidence or pressure from others. The emotions of an INTJ are hard to read, and neither male nor female INTJs are apt to express emotional reactions. At times, INTJs seem cold, reserved, and unresponsive, while in fact they are almost hypersensitive to signals of rejection from those they care for. In social situations, INTJs may also be unresponsive and may neglect small rituals designed to put others at ease. For example, INTJs may communicate that idle dialogue such as small talk is a waste of time. This may create the impression that the INTJ is in a hurry—an impression that is not always intended. In their interpersonal relationships, INTJs are usually better in a working situation than in a recreational situation.
Jim, have you taken the MBTI test? I sense you’re an ENTJ, with strongest expression on the T and J scales.
Stucky, if you want to take a test to see where you fall, there are various free ones online. They’re not the full profile that you get when you pay for it, but they’re pretty good. Keirsey is one of the best resources.
Thinker
I took the test back in 1998 and probably a few times before that. I’m an INTJ.
I’m not extroverted in the least. I hate small talk and chit chat. The description of an INTJ fits me like a glove.
Makes sense. Thought you might be more extroverted than you are. The description fits me, too; guessing it does the other INTJs here, too. No wonder I ended up in strategic business consulting.
Thanks to all for participating and a thread where every comment is informative and worth reading. Thanks especially from me to SSS and SAH for their kind words. I’ve had my little, and not so little, tussles with both, so trust me to be truthful when I say, “I am humbled.”
On to SSS’s main question.
“Should we know these details about Loughner’s behavior as observed by his parents? Would they help us, the public, or perhaps more importantly, relatives/friends of a potential future mass murderer to identify such a person? And most importantly, is any of this our business?” ———— SSS
I think it all depends if you are talking about BEFORE the event, or AFTER.
Regarding “before”, I would say ‘No, it’s not the general public’s business.”. By ‘general public’ I mean you and me — not doctors, mental health workers, and possibly even police (if the person exhibited actual violence), as these people should know beforehand.
Let me just throw out a number; that there are one million people potentially capable of such violent acts. That seems reasonable as it is much less than 1% of the population, and some ‘experts’ state as many as 1 in 5 Americans have suffered some mental illness at some point in their lives.
SO what are we to do with these million (at least) Americans? Have an East German type ‘dossier’ on all of them? There aren’t enough psychologists / psychiatrists in America to do the job. So who will collect, analyze, and watch all these mental patients? Some love-level douchebag mental or social worker? Egad!! Considering that psychology isn’t even a real science, just imagine all the “false positives” saddled upon millions of Americans – even if done by professionals. To cut this short, the bottom line imho is it would result in a massive invasion of privacy and near total loss of liberty and freedom.
Last, but not least, it is 100% impossible to identify a “potential mass murderer” …. the really SCARY word being “potential”. What is the science behind that person being labeled “potential”? I have no idea how that’s even possible. I have a son with some mental issues who so far has been non-violent. I know him as well as anyone … but I cannot see into his heart and soul and REALLY know what is there. Some people will not like this next comment; that is to say, — we ALL have the “potential” to do unspeakable evil. Dear reader, just look deep in your heart.
Regarding “after”, I would say ‘Yes, it is the general public’s business.” — to the extent that privacy and other laws are not broken. Quite simply …. this is now a Criminal Investigation. Families lost their children to a murderer. They deserve answers to whatever extent those answers can be had.
Thinker
I took such a test once and it revealed I was a JKAS.
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Cute, Stucky.
I thought this might be worth reading:
In mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today’s tragic event is headed in the same direction.
According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.
One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.
Note: The shooter was originally mid-identified as Ryan Lanza but has now been corrected to Adam Lanza.
The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.
No gun can, by itself, shoot anyone. It must be triggered by a person who makes a decision to use it. And while people like NY Mayor Bloomberg are predictably trying to exploit the deaths of these children to call for guns to be stripped from all law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong whatsoever, nobody calls for medication control.
If there is to be any legitimate debate on so-called “gun control” in the aftermath of this shooting, the only idea that makes any sense at all would be to restrict gun purchases by people currently taking psychiatric medications. But even that restriction would of course be abused by the government to take guns away from perfectly healthy, law-abiding citizens who innocently seek treatment for mild depression and who honestly have no clue that psychiatric drugs can cause violent behavior.
A far better solution here would be to outlaw psychiatric drugs that cause the violent behavior in the first place. After all, if you only outlaw guns but fail to eliminate the drugs that cause the violence, people dosed up on mind-altering meds will simply find alternate weapons to commit the same acts of violence. You don’t think a crazy guy with a sword can hack up 20 or 30 kids in a school? A sword, a knife or even a pick axe can be just as deadly as a firearm.
A guy with a chain saw can do all kinds of damage if he’s out of his mind. Should we ban chain saws?
I have thought for quite some time that people on medication are dangerous operating automobiles on public roads. If driving drunk is illegal, why isn’t “driving on meds” illegal? Why are wildly medicated people allowed to operate heavy machinery?
A high-ranking police officer in Tucson, Arizona once told me, on the record, that one-third of all automobile accidents in the city of Tucson were related to medicated drivers. That’s an astonishing number, and if true, it would seem to indicate that medications are more dangerous than guns when it comes to the total daily body count.
Do the math: medications are far more deadly than guns
Medications kill roughly 100,000 Americans each year according to study statistics. The actual number is either 98,000 or 106,000 depending on which study you believe.
For guns to be as deadly as medications, you’d have to see a Newton-style massacre happening ten times a day, every day of the year. Only then would “gun violence” even match up to the number of deaths caused by doctor-prescribed, FDA-approved medications.
Why does America grieve for the children killed in Newton, but not for the medical victims killed by Big Pharma? Are the lives of people on medication not valuable compared to the lives of children in elementary school? Will Obama shed a tear for the victims of Big Pharma, or are his tears reserved only for politically expedient events that push his agenda of unconstitutional gun restrictions?
If our goal us to stop the violence in America, we are completely dishonest if we do not consider the mental causes of violent behavior. And that starts with mind-altering psychiatric drugs which I believe have unleashed a drug-induced epidemic of violence across our nation.
Obama, Bloomberg and others will point to guns and try to convince you that inanimate metal objects are the cause of this violence. But they lie by omission. No guns shoots itself. The trigger must be pulled by someone, and the mental state of that person is the primary cause of the resulting action. To ignore this fundamental chain of facts is brutally dishonest.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html
Database of murders, suicides and crimes of people taking SSRI’s: http://ssristories.com/
I can’t imagine anything worse than burying a child. My boys came home from college last night, we went out to dinner and while they were goofing with each other I was watching and remembering their days in kindergarten and almost started crying.
I turned the TV/radio off over two years ago – and now when I am assaulted by the noise in the dentist’s office, the sibs, friends etc. I am struck by how infantile they must think we are. Either not listening to MSM has raised my awareness or it has gotten that much worse in a very short amount of time. The framing, the implanted and forced dichotomies, the emotive words used to generate feelings – we have turned our own thinking over to the media – the same media controlled by 6 corporations.
Knowing that the vast number of Americans are “feelers” I have to believe that this tragic event, along with all the other tragic events – are hyped ad-nauseum, 24/7 to create the Bernays desired feelings for specific goals – get the sheeple to “feel” a certain way and we can control them.
I also do not believe Obama’s tears were genuine.
In Carroll Quigley’s “Tragedy and Hope” he states that a measure of equality between serf and rulers can only exist during times that the serf’s have access to comparable weaponry – short of getting tanks and jets to the masses assault rifles are the next best thing – I can understand why TPTB would be so anxious to get them out of the public domain.
New handle > Olga or Ursula – depending on which cat is in my good graces
as far as obama and his little act are concerned, just remember, you can’t expect true emotion from a psycho/socio-path. they put on the BEST emotional ACTS!
Meanwhile …. in Obama’s old Chicago ‘hood …. drugereport says on Friday alone 10 people were shot including 4 teens. Where are Obama’s tears? I am forced to reconsider (not like that would be a first) Obama’s sincerity.
sangell said; —— “Obama had plenty of time to compose himself before he went on camera ….. I simply do not believe Obama was crying hours after he learned of the horrific shootings”
Stupid, stupid, stupid me for not considering that he had, literally, hours beforehand to compose himself. I wanted to believe that Obama was not talking to us as President; but rather as a father of two children, as a human being who hurts as we hurt, and who is not so egocentrically driven to power that he would exploit a national tragedy for his own gain. I still believe he was deeply saddened by this event …. when he first found out about it. But, yes, the faux tears many hours after the event now seems to me to be contrived by an Opportunis Jeebus help us. This POTUS is himself mentally ill.
“Let’s assess the facts:” – Admin
One family friend described Adam Lanza as a gamer who “rarely spoke.” – Check
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/adam-lanza-20-deeply-disturbed-kid-article-1.1220752#ixzz2F8dPEKr7
For those interested in history, here’s a list of primary school attacks in the US and elsewhere. Worst in the US was 1927, in Bath, Michigan. End of the Unraveling of that era, oddly enough.
The map below (if it posts) shows number of attacks by state from 1794 to present.
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Sixty thousand kids lost their life in Vietnam and more than double that number maimed for life for a damn lie and I’ve yet to hear one ass-hat politician call for a ban on unnecessary war.
Sixty thousand kids unnecessarily die, it’s a national sacrifice. Twenty die, it’s a national disgrace…go figure.
NEWTOWN, Conn. — When the parents of Adam Lanza divorced in 2009, the couple’s relationship had broken down over “irreconcilable differences.”
Once the divorce papers were finalized, the father, Peter Lanza, agreed to provide significant alimony payments to his ex-wife, Nancy Lanza, including monthly payments of $10,000 a month and increasing to a minimum of $12,450 up until 2023.
Adam Lanza, who is believed to have shot to death 26 elementary school students and staffers in a Newtown murder spree Friday morning, had worked out an agreement that included joint custody of Adam Lanza, who was 17 at the time, although he was to live primarily with his mother, the records state.
The divorce filings indicated that Adam Lanza had lived in Sandy Hook since his birth.
The mother Nancy Lanza was a substitute teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Her body was found at her home, and sources believe Adam Lanza killed her prior to his rampage at the elementary school.
Peter Lanza, a vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services, declined to answer questions from reporters in front of his home in Stamford in the Westover section of the city. A neighbor said Peter Lanza had recently remarried.
The court documents list Peter Lanza’s gross weekly income as $8,556 and that he was required to pay all of Adam Lanza’s college and graduate school expenses.
Peter and Nancy Champion Lanza were married in 1981 in Kingston, N.H.
Connecticut is ranked as having the fifth-toughest gun-control laws in the country by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
according to this story, more kids would have died, she is a hero…
http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Teacher-from-Stratford-shielded-students-4120759.php
Avalon
A beautiful person outside and inside. A genuine hero.
“If our goal us to stop the violence in America, we are completely dishonest if we do not consider the mental causes of violent behavior. And that starts with mind-altering psychiatric drugs which I believe have unleashed a drug-induced epidemic of violence across our nation.”
—-KaD
Starting with that impressive statement above, your comments on psychiatric drugs were powerful and well said. You’ve got me totally convinced. I’m on board.
There’s also a story of the gunman bursting into the classroom of a 6-year-old boy. The gunman shot the teacher without saying a word. The brave little boy then grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door. Authorities claim that action saved their lives.
Damnit. Those weren’t KaD’s words. They were from an article she posted. Kudos anyway for posting that article. It is spot on.
SSS
I answered (10:00AM) your question @7:54PM.
Comments?
Stucky
I completely agree with your comments. I posed the questions about revealing details of a mass murderer’s personal life because they are fraught with all sorts of legal entanglements, to include Privacy Laws.
Here’s an example. Tucson shooter Jared Loughner’s parents were never under investigation of any sort because of what their son did. But they almost certainly were interviewed extensively by law enforcement authorities after Jared killed 6 people.
Now, I’m not pointing any accusatory fingers at Mom and Dad, but did they tell police ANYTHING about their son’s behavior over the years which may help US, the public in general, understand what a potential mass murderer’s behavior may look like? Did they reveal any medications he may have been on? Did they try to get professional help for their son? If so, what kind of help and how did he react? That sort of stuff.
Some of this information may be embarrassing to Jared’s parents, particularly if they just stood blindly by and watched their son’s inability to hold even menial jobs, smoke marijuana extensively, and get kicked out of a community college which has a notorious reputation for enrolling and maintaining students who have one trait in common ….. a pulse. I’m well aware that some parents and relatives of problem children can go into a state of denial about what they are witnessing firsthand, as in “This can’t be happening to my boy.”
But like it or not, it is happening to your boy, and your boy just flipped out and killed a bunch of people. And it is happening far too often. Again, like it or not, did you tell the authorities something that might, just might, help other parents or relatives of problem male children to recognize a pattern that fits their child? And even if you did tell the authorities something useful and confidential in the course of an investigation, should that information continue to be held confidential after the investigation is over and the trial, if any, completed?
I’d like to see a test case on those privacy issues run up the flagpole all the way to the Supreme Court. Many lives in the future may well depend on the ruling.
Fascinating details emerging (excerpt):
“Adam Lanza, 20, went to a Dick’s Sporting Goods store in Danbury, Conn., on Tuesday to buy the weapon, but was turned down because he didn’t want to undergo a background check or abide by the state’s waiting period for gun sales, the officials said.”
In this video, nbc says there were a total of 4 guns found on Lanza and all were registered to the mother whom they’re saying was “something of a survivalist, that she feared an economic collapse, that she owned all the guns and knew how to use them.” (Note: you may have to advance to the next video for the above details as the URL was the same for this video and the one prior to it)
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/15/15926718-newtown-gunman-tried-to-buy-rifle-days-before-shooting?lite
“Rather than put cops in every school ( as if that would even work, cops aren’t invincible supermen) we might be better off building more rubber rooms to keep these time bombs in or bring back lobotomies.” – Sangel
I know you know this so such sentiments are just wishful thinking on our parts; the PTB and elites’ don’t really want solutions to problems; they’re agenda-driven in their quest for more power to meddle, constrain and further trample civil liberties.
BTW, warehousing the mentally ill in “asylums” ended many decades ago when the subversive (and Communist – several good books have been written affirming its origins were “Communist” – see links ) ACLU won a court ruling that the mentally ill could not be confined against their will. I submit they have a great deal of moral currency (as do the cultural dirty-bomb polluters) in these spree/mass murders, but the wisdom of such a foolish judicial ruling (nor their role in it) won’t be questioned.
The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values
Read more at
The Twilight of Liberty: The Legacy of the ACLU
I too am an INTJ I67%, N25%, T88%, J33%. I’ve taken the test several times over the years and come up the same. Each time I take the test, there are always about 10 questions that for me, can go either way and I find myself questioning my responses. Earlier this year I took the test several times and each time I gave the opposite response to the ten *either way* questions and came up INTJ each time with the percentages changing slightly.
As an INTJ, I often find myself having great empathy for people but rarely having much sympathy for people. While I cannot have true empathy for the families-made-victims in this tragedy because I don’t have children, it breaks my heart nonetheless. No parent should ever have to suffer the loss of a child. I take meager comfort in the fact that these innocent children will not have to suffer the coming economic collapse but it pisses me off that someone else took away their lives and ability to choose their own paths. They are victims of the ongoing moral collapse of the United States of America.
It is a good sign that we never *get used* to tragedies like this. It gives me hope that there are still more good people than bad out there but I fear that we may have lost enough of our critical thinking abilities to capitalize on the good. Knee-jerk, instant gratification seems to be our collective path of late.
I_S
sangell , unlike yourself I don’t find murder inc. an acceptable choice of profession “cuz’ people need jobs”.
Government sanctioned murder is still murder, regardless what your drill Sargent told you.
You piss-ant maroon…
Please tell me you were a lifer, because only a lifer can overtly display stupidity on a level you so adeptly do.
If I thought a morally responsible and principled person outside the military would stoop to spewing petty pufferies in defense of mass murder as you’re wont to do , it might destroy the last shred of faith I have in my fellow man.
Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out…and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel. ..And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for “the universal brotherhood of man”–with his mouth.
– What Is Man?
Mark Twain
guess who,sangell?
It’s about time to try living in the world according to “The Weapon Shops of Isher”
@anonymous
Actually you prose is very violent and bordering on illiterate. I assume you are not a professional and went to a public school in a low income area. I joined the military after I dropped out of UC Berkeley. I was bored and though spend a couple of years in the infantry would be a useful experience. It was. I got to meet people of your social and intellectual background for the first time in my life. Most were more civil than you though some were the real dregs of mankind… like you.
@sangell,
LOL…only a maroon of your caliber could read violence in my unlearnt yet legible prose.
Due to my backwoods upbringing I only went to the third grade, but somehow I lernt enough to spot a statist pos when I seed one.
I’m sorry a fine upstanding blue blood of a Kaifornica metro-sexual such as yourself had to be forced to look for a job in the military and slum amongst the real backbone of America.
A cry a river for your service to society ,good sir.
My co-worker’s girlfriend lost a son yesterday, my co worker forwarded a a copy of the Christmas family picture she had received earlier, what makes someone waste people, especially kids, just blown away here.
These atrocities are a reflection of societal issues. Only in a place where parents are encouraged to not do there job could such disturbed individuals go undetected.
“He was such a nice boy” – This means he didn’t act out, and was a good little drone. I sincerely doubt anyone except maybe his brother actually knew this kid.
“He was such a good student.” – This means he was white.
“Somewhat misunderstood.” – This is code for, “he had no friends” and “nobody ever interacted with him.”
“He just liked to play video games” – Sweet, something to blame this on.
“Things like this don’t happen in towns like this.” – Yeah, towns where the local entertainment comes in the form of vicious back stabbing and hurtful rumors. Towns where if you aren’t a “name” you are treated like shit.
Its going to get worse before it gets better. Until parents start thinking “oh shit, if I don’t take interest in my child they could end up like THAT” things will only get worse.
The Admin is spot on.
Right now these murders are being carried out with guns. Ban guns and they will switch to knives (in the case of those with no internet) and explosives (those WITH internet).
Or poison gas. Or bio-warfare. Or hacking.
The bottom line is that removing these “dangerous” things will only treat the symptom. We need to treat the disease.
For those of you TBPers looking for a more in depth analysis of the Latest Shooter, my fellow Admin Surly on the Diner just published “The Fifth Horseman”. Its the current Feature Article on the Diner.
http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/blog/2012/12/15/the-fifth-horseman/
RE
good read RE, thanks for the H/T
Surly” It is quite clear that we are almost out of time.’
Funny thing , the sheep bleeting to the wolves to save US from ourselves via gun control, wage control, rent control, price controls, travel controls, speech controls, as if more control is the true price of freedom and can only be metered out by the existence of a police state…go figure.
Pictures of the victims. (Warning. Will make you sad.)
http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/2012/12/15/connecticut-school-shooting-victims/1771299/
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The Daily Mail has a story now that Adam Lanza MAY have posted to some website his intentions the day before. From the article.
“According to Infowars.com, the post appeared on the 4Chan web site at 10:18pm Wednesday and was made by a user with the user name ‘iKTatjYX.’
The post stated, ‘I’m going to kill myself on Friday and it will make the news, be watching at 9am.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248869/Adam-Lanza-Did-massacre-gunman-make-internet-threat-day-Sandy-Hook-massacre.html#ixzz2FElukXot
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I’ve wondered if Lanza might not also have been a visitor to those Columbine Cult websites. That
boy who shot up a school in Finland appears to have been a Columbine fan as was, I believe the American Indian/Nazi who shot up his school.
I suspect that if it turns out Lanza was making noise on the internet that the NSA may turn some of its ample monitoring capability away from jihadist websites and start keeping an eye on the more extreme Cult and video gamer sites to see if visitors there are also showing up on NCIC gun background checks and get a visit from some FBI types if they do.
You folks would do well to add The Daily Mail to your favorites tab, as I have.
Yeah, I know, they are Brits. But they consistently run the most comprehensive, detailed, new info, news stories. Just as investigative journalism used to be like here.
The children
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Autopsies reveal each child’s body had been pumped between 3 to 11 bullets.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248864/Sandy-Hook-shooting-Autopsy-report-reveals-26-victims-shot-times-EACH.html