PIG-IGNORANT, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, UTTERLY USELESS ILLITERATES

Ignorance is bliss in America. NYC public school system’s finest:

 

Guest Post by Fred Reed

Onward into the Night

Or Uganda, Anyway

March 14, 2014

Despite much wringing of teeth and gnashing of hands about the decline in schooling in the United States, I have seen very little concrete comparison between then and now, whatever one means by “then.” In my small way, as a mere anecdote in a sea of troubles, I hereby offer an actual comparison. Permit me to preview the result: Much of the United States has sunk to the level of the lower ranks of the Third World.

As an example of documented current practice in urban schools—I have seen similar from Detroit, Chicago, and Mississippi—here are a few emails sent to the New York Post by students of Manhattan’s Murry Bergtraum HS for Business Careers. These have been posted by various horrified writers, but I repeat them here in case the reader hasn’t seen them. They concern the students’ support for something called “Blended Learning,” in which one watches a video, answers a few questions, and gets credit. The Post had written a piece critical of same, putting the students into an uproar.

A junior wrote: “What do you get of giving false accusations im one of the students that has blended learning I had a course of English and I passed and and it helped a lot you’re a reported your support to get truth information other than starting rumors . . .”

Right out of Milton, that.

Another wrote: “To deeply criticize a program that has helped many students especially seniors to graduate I should not see no complaints.”

One student said the online system beats the classroom because “you can digest in the information at your own paste.”

Now, I have no information on what things they do not know other than English. Approximately everything, I suspect. I do know that growing up long ago in average white schools from kindergarten onwards, I learned to speak better English by the second grade than these high-school students—“students”—will likely ever speak. I could write much better English. I think it reasonable to suspect that kids who want to digest in information at their own paste probably do not know a lot of algebra or chemistry. We are producing illiterate, unemployable barbarians inassimilable to a First World country.

By way of comparison, there follows a list of things I could do in my primary and secondary schools, at what age  I could do them, and where the schools were. The list is accurate. In instances in which I am not sure whether I knew a thing in one grade or another, I have written “by grade five” or whatever. The schools were the public schools of the region.

Grades 2-5, Robert E. Lee Elementary, Arlington, Virginia (in the suburbs of Washington).

Multiply 457 times 56.7
Divide 345.7 by 45. 8
Divide 34 3/8 by 13/3

Diagram “Mr. Jones, the principal, who had been in the Army, said “Give it to her, please.” I knew subject, verb, appositive, direct and indirect object,
transitive verbs, proper nouns, collective nouns, helper verbs, tenses and, I think I remember, the dreaded dangling participle.  I believe we had done most of this by the fourth grade, but I cannot swear to it.

I further remember that the drugstores in suburban Washington carried large rows of books, the Hardy Boys, Tom Swift, Nancy Drew, and so on, the prominent display of which suggested that the stores expected people to buy them. My friends and I assuredly did buy them. (The Hardy Boys series has since been dumbed down.) We also, many of us, had chemistry sets and microscopes from Gilbert or Edmunds Scientific. We were ordinary American kids.

Athens Elementary, or maybe Junior High, Athens, Alabama, grade six, 1956.

Solve: “If a tank contains 34.5 gallons when it is 2/3 full, how much does it contain when it is full?” Calculate areas of rectangles, circles (using pi as 3.14 or 22/7), and triangles. Solve problems involving percentages. Give from memory percentages represented by common fractions, a sixth, eighth, twelfth, and so on.

Eighth grade, base school, Dahlgren Naval Weapons Laboratory, Dahlgren, Virginia.

Calculate  2x2 y2z +7 divided into (22x3 y3z4 + 45)

Factor x2 – 9 at a glance and more-complex binomial products with a little thought, derive (for the test anyway) the quadratic formula by completing the square; solve quadratics by factoring or by the formula; solve pairs of simultaneous linear equations in two unknowns by three methods. In short, ordinary eighth-grade algebra.

Talk reasonably intelligently about Julius Caesar, which we read in English class, and quote short parts.

High school, 1960-64, rural King George High, King George, Virginia.

Here I am shaky because I can’t distinguish in memory what I learned in school and what I learned from reading medical texts and such which I had discovered I could buy on family trips to Washington. However, I do remember in chemistry class balancing oxidation-reduction equations, which alone establishes that the class was a serious one. Biology, 2nd-year algebra, plane geometry, and solid-and-trig were at a similar level. All of these were required of college-track students. We lots of did trig identities: sin2 + cos2 = 1, that sort of thing. I knew well the Indian trig-chief SOH-CAH-TOA, vital to later study of mechanics. . In short, ordinary high-school math

I still have a copy of the high-school newspaper. Adolescent writing, grammatical, decently organized.

I would like to attribute all of this to my preternatural brilliance. Unfortunately for this laudable understanding, the things listed were expected of all students until the eighth grade, when they were expected of all college-track students. Two of my schools, note, were of the rural or small-town South, thought in Brooklyn to be a motherlode of ignorance.

The moderate rigor described above apparently reigned everywhere in America at the time.   In late 1964 I got to my small Southern college, Hampden-Sydney, which had average pre-dumbing-down SATs a little above 1100, the students being mostly boys from small towns all over Virginia. I remember that in freshman chem, the expectation was that everyone knew all of the above. Knew it cold. We did. Bad grammar would in no course have been tolerated. Students were assumed ready for freshman calculus. The college offered remedial nothing. If you couldn’t do the work you belonged somewhere else, and shortly were.

It was not an elite college. We were not elite students. As freshmen, we were only a summer further along than seniors at  Murry Bergtraum HS for Business Careers. We didn’t digest in our own paste.

What am I, and people my age, supposed to feel other than raw contempt for pig-ignorant, self-righteous, utterly useless illiterates whom society will have to feed and house like barnyard animals for the next fifty years?

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bb
bb
March 14, 2014 11:57 pm

Don’t leave Stucky ,take a break and write that article about Noah.I always look forward to your theological posts.We may disagree but that’s OK.

Jackson
Jackson
March 15, 2014 12:32 am

Interesting comments on this post….

As I’ve written before, I like informative comment and interesting analyses. What JQ writes introducing his posts is better than the cut and paste columns that follow. JQ has a skill for provocative comment. Almost always he’s very sharp or brilliant.

Other commentators I like too. Recently I’ve complimented STUCKY on some of what he’s written. His “Pattern Recognition” on this post is a well thought out piece. That’s one example. It’s had me thinking for quite a while.

Quips as comments are OK. Ad hominem attacks aren’t. However, as I’ve written, this is JQ’s site and DP or others who’ve wanted to direct it’s focus should have been run out. At the time I thought JQ was too thuggish about it, but, in retrospect, I can’t think of any other way, other than deleting his and other posts, that JQ could have reacted to DP.

Now, I disagree with the reaction Stephanie is getting. Like most of you I think she has a mind warp. Her perceptions about life, values, and behavior are bent. However, I think we who try to belittle Stephanie, or other posters we don’t like, only belittle ourselves.

I’m 70 years old and one lesson I’ve learned in life is that the shit sticks to the guy who throws it and only rarely to his target. I’d rather that when I think about some of my TBP favorites I didn’t see them with you-know-what in their hands and mouths.

The monkee man speaks
The monkee man speaks
March 15, 2014 1:01 am

People need to differentiate between whom is problem solving and entertainment.

EL GORDO
EL GORDO
March 15, 2014 1:03 am

Hypocrisy abounds. NSS throws shit at Stucky then complains about shit throwing. Only reason I messed with him was because he was being grossly unfair to the Bard of TBP.

Thinker
Thinker
March 15, 2014 1:29 am

Only you will know what’s best for you, Stucky. Some of your best breaks have been long ones, where you removed yourself from the immediate environment and put things back into perspective. Don’t forget, there’s free beer waiting in NE Indiana, next time you pass through. And German food, too. Even a poster on the wall depicting Schnitzelbank! 🙂

T4C has good advice… ignore the commentary. But that’s easier said than done, and it’s half what most people come for. Has it gotten stupid? Yeah. But you can ignore posters you don’t care to read. That’s easier for those of us who don’t feel the way you do, though — I recognize that.

You’ve taken the greatest direct hit here from some of the worst posters… the ones who call you out for your religious beliefs. Evil intentions always know what buttons to push, and they’ve targeted some of your softest spots. Like AWD said, I don’t know how you put up with it. I admire your ability to put up with it, often with a smile on your face.

Hang in there. You’ll always have a fan club, a family here.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 15, 2014 2:10 am

Stuck – do not go. Let us gang up on some poor motherfucker and beat the living shit out of him or her. You will feel tons better. They do not even need to deserve the beating. In fact, even better they do not.

Remember when you would tell your dad that you did not do it, and he whacked you anyway? Mine would say that it was for all the times I did do it and got away with it. Over the years I have begun to see the logic. So just pick a poor unfortunate, and lets pound them. We can be certain that somewhere in the past they did something to deserve it.

Stucky
Stucky
March 15, 2014 2:25 am

Thanks for the encouragement guys. I don’t mean to be a pussy, and I’m not as tough as I want to be at times. I do my best to “add value” here with my comments, some are researched, but most come from life experience. Yeah, I like to fling shit from time to time and get nasty. But, I do most of it in good fun, and try not to carry grudges forward. But being told to shut up, you can say this but not that, that I’m a low brow rayciss, and the one that really hurt — I have a small dick — well, sorry, but sometimes I feel like I’m tilting against windmills.

Again, thanks much for the encouragement. Maybe just a few days will do the trick.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 15, 2014 2:31 am

Stucky, go take a week or two off. Seriously! Go do something you haven’t done in years or go do something you’ve never done before. Don’t just sit around the house. Take momma and daddy out for a day trip or three. Go visit your boy! Avoid reading the news or even surfing the net. It will do wonders for you.

Then come back and help me whip up on the Clam. I still think she has potential we just have to beat a soft spot into her head. If we don’t, just think how dumb her chillun’s will be! Poor things won’t even know what words are!
I_S

Stucky
Stucky
March 15, 2014 2:38 am

I_S

That sounds like great advice. I think I’ll do most of it ….. (I’ll be visiting my son this summer).

Peace.

Good Night.

flash
flash
March 15, 2014 8:33 am

Stucky @ 6:10 pm
You’re an odd cat..One who can insult , but does not like to be insulted.One who copies and pastes at leisure to clarify issue , but does not like copy and paste.One who seeks attentions, but does not like attention seeking in others…..there’s a name for this type of person, I just can’t call it…hmmm..

BTW, if you has read my comment without flying off the handle, you would have known it was not about religion, which we all know you detest, but about the science or lack thereof as pertaining to evolution.This would be what you call “established science” albeit not.
Ta Ta..

overthecliff
overthecliff
March 15, 2014 12:39 pm

The lazy incompetent drags on society will regret their foolishness when they are held accountable for their choices. …..and they will be held accountable as surely as the sun rises in the morning.

EL GORDO
EL GORDO
March 16, 2014 3:35 pm

Llpoh says:

“Remember when you would tell your dad that you did not do it, and he whacked you anyway?”

the cop beating a black logic, if you didn’t do it, you were going to.

sensetti
sensetti
March 16, 2014 3:53 pm

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TeresaE
TeresaE
March 16, 2014 4:40 pm

When my assistant asked me to proof and suggest on her Early Education paper, the examples from NY are EXACTLY the way it read. And that was 17 years ago. (sidenote, dah-amn, I’m old)

Anyway, @overthecliff says:

The lazy incompetent drags on society will regret their foolishness when they are held accountable for their choices. …..and they will be held accountable as surely as the sun rises in the morning.

Bwaaahahahhhaaaaaahhhhaaaa, that is rich.

You do know that MANY were saying the same thing back in the ’70s (probably earlier, I just wasn’t around to hear it).

Have THOSE worthless yutes paid yet?

If I look at their lives, and mine, I might come to the conclusion that they have “paid,” but have they really?

Decades of FREE housing, FREE food, education, clothing, utilities, medical with little to no personal effort/energy. Other than they live in shitholes with no futures, they seem pretty fucking happy.

They don’t worry about the failing full time job paradigm, nor the complexity of taxes and regulations, no the local unions and taxmen shutting down small enterprise.

And they sure as hell don’t waste ONE second of energy worrying about their little darlings being illiterate.

Stuck, while I usually agree wholeheartedly with you on most things, you will someday find you are offbase about your beliefs concerning astrology and “witches,” I blame your strong Christian Theological background. Christianity (and others) teaches that THEY are the only supernatural belief that is real. The hypocrisy, and irony, continues to amaze me on every level. Believe in the ever-after and a Supreme ghost, but then deny and condemn any proof of any other non-physical-world events. Love it.

Those that refuse to see, don’t. Your skeptiscm shades your vision, the same as Muck’s does concerning religion and god.

But I still love you and I know that someday, maybe not in this world/life, but someday, you will know for yourself.

And if you are taking off again (you were gone for a LONG time a couple years back), hugs and nothing but loving thoughts going to you and yours.

EL GORDO
EL GORDO
March 16, 2014 4:47 pm

I’m going to miss Old Stucky, how do we play this, throw a big going away party or sing dirges?