Malaysian Airline Shot Down Over Ukraine — 295 dead

Well, this will be in the news for the next 10 days nonstop.

CNN already blaming “poorly trained Russian troops”

The Dogs Of War are wagging their tails. SOMEBODY wants a Russian-American war.  No matter what, the ANTI-RUSSIAN smear campaign will be Fast&Furious.   Wetback Heraldo on FuxNewz is already “100% convinced” it was the Russians.

Prepare your sorry asses for a MASSIVE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN from the MSM.  You won’t get the truth from them. Ever.  Will be interesting to see who is really behind this, and what it will lead to.

Videos just released moments ago ….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nepYIjgmWRo&feature=player_detailpage

 

Author: Stucky

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max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 7:50 pm

stucky….youre stuck with your own STUPID,DUMB,ULTRA MINDCONTROL,MEDIA ,PSY-OP PROPAGANDA LIES….DUMB FUCK…BRAINDEAD SHEEP…DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN SANTA-CLAUS….???

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 17, 2014 7:54 pm

Jet engines DO NOT spew black smoke. If they did you are losing power.

Even an after-burner does not spew black smoke, they just inject Jet-A into the pressurized exhaust pipe, to create more thrust. Wasteful, but it does increase thrust.

max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 7:54 pm

kill bill…..do you believe it’s a hoax or is it a inside job???

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 17, 2014 7:55 pm

Max is just a bot.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 17, 2014 7:57 pm

do you believe it’s a hoax or is it a inside job??? -Max

I am only looking at what I see Max. Perhaps your programmer will ‘adjust’ your algo.

Jackson, re Stucky vs. max cady,
Jackson, re Stucky vs. max cady,
July 17, 2014 8:03 pm

Re: Stucky vs. max cady….

If you know something about a topic you can discuss it rationally. That’s Stucky, most of the time.

If you don’t know shit from shinola about a subject, and maybe anything else, call names. Stupid, dumb fuck, and braindead sheep are characteristic epithets for (half)wits like ….

And the winner, and still champion is the long-time and most of the time TBP favorite, Stucky, fka Stuck In New Jersey. He thinks, he tries, and he cares,

max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 8:06 pm

stucky is it a hoax or a inside job???yes or no!!!295 dead or nobody is dead???yes ore no!!!

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 17, 2014 8:11 pm

Max, your programmer should be fired.

Satori
Satori
July 17, 2014 8:16 pm

Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip “Proving” Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0…n-flight-mh-17

max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 8:20 pm

jackson,what’s your opion….easy question…a hoax or a inside job….295 dead or no deaths…????yes or no…if stucky says take your meds…and get lost..and blow me…WHY????i live in the netherlands!!!!!!!!!i saw 1 minute of the pasports on t.v (BRANDNEW!!!)and THE “BODIES”(DUMMIES/CRISISACTORS) etc..etc…and why is my opinion so strange??or stupid??so yes or no….295 dead or not…a hoax or a inside job???and did you and stucky look at the brandnew pasports…????IT’S A HOAX 10000000000000%!!!!!please answer and BELIEVE ME I’M AS REAL AS IT’S GETS….I’M NO SHILL!!!!OR BOT!!!

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 17, 2014 8:23 pm

Stupidest Bot Ever.

max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 8:27 pm

my programmer??????????????????what a joke!!!!!!!!!hahahahaha…….still no answers from you all,only blabla….yes or no!!!!!!295 dead….a hoax or inside job???why do you think that i have a programmer???ARE MY COMMENT’S AND ANALYSES THAT STUPID,STRANGE???NEW WORLD ORDER,HOAX,ROCKEFFELER,QUEEN ELIZABETH,”DEAD BODIES”,DUMMY’S/CRISISACTORS,BRANDNEW PASSPORTS….ETC..ETC…

max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 8:32 pm

strange..nobody answers the most IMPORTANT EASY QUESTIONS???!!??WHY??????

max cady
max cady
July 17, 2014 8:37 pm

im from holland what’s A BOT???

Billy
Billy
July 17, 2014 8:39 pm

If it was a shootdown, then it wasn’t any fucking accident. I don’t trust any of these bastards. At all. The N00ze outlets I trust even less.

Someone is stirring the shit, trying to provoke a response.. but provoke whom into doing what?

Ukies say the Russians did it. Russians call bullshit and blame the Ukies. The CIA is probably still over there, stirring the shit.

Too many players and I don’t know enough to even make a fucking guess…

The only saving grace is that at that altitude, the lack of oxygen probably rendered everyone unconscious, so they didn’t feel anything when they slammed into the ground… at least there’s that small bit of mercy.

Jackson, a shit stirrer and a Stucky admirer,
Jackson, a shit stirrer and a Stucky admirer,
July 17, 2014 8:43 pm

Stucky,

You’re right, I am a shit stirrer either under my own name or as two or three other nom de plumes. As for who I am, who else I post as, and what my views are, pay attention because at times I’ve revealed all and will do so again.

Oh, and as I wrote above, keep on thinking, trying to figure things out, and caring. I always enjoy your posts whether you’re flinging shit, full of shit, or have your shit together, which you do most of the time.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 17, 2014 8:54 pm

Stuck, I am going to put in my two cents worth.

The pics I have seen the fuselage came apart at its seams. IE a monocoque frame.
There are some bodies, with deep gashes, with no blood seeping from them.

I do see a few holes, reminscient of a 50 cal gun mounted on another plane.

Armor piercing. Non Explosive.

It only takes a few well placed shots to disable hydraulic systems. Which this craft is dependent on.

Crisis.

From Chaos comes Order.

And poles, from all lands, will use this.

El Muchacho
El Muchacho
July 17, 2014 9:04 pm

Hey main, Stuckolito, you just don’t get it. Building 7, have you even looked at the footage? You don’t have to understand rocket surgery to know that chit don’t work. Get a clue main. They found thermite and chit all in the rubble, and Jorge bushes cousin was the head of landscaping, esse. You have to open your mind to the real truth Jewlianie made out for real.

Thinker
Thinker
July 17, 2014 9:05 pm

More photos of the crash over at the Daily Mail for you airplane and explosion experts…

More details there on who may be responsible, as well — it’s looking like Russian separatists — and details about how the plane broke up, bodies falling over a 9-mile area.

Like most things, we’ll learn more as the investigation progresses. Let’s hope cooler heads prevail.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 17, 2014 9:07 pm

Well, Max, bot, at least you have given some insite to keywords.

Rise Up
Rise Up
July 17, 2014 9:12 pm

“A false flag event designed to provide the rationale for whipping the American public into a blood-thirsty frenzy (it doesn’t take much anymore)” – carryingaflag.blogspot

Hardly…only the lamestream news gets whipped up and their panties in a wad.

The American public is asleep.

Billy
Billy
July 17, 2014 9:13 pm

Hey max…

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Mr. Chen
Mr. Chen
July 17, 2014 9:44 pm

IndenturedServant says:

The space shuttle broke up over Texas at roughly 175,000 feet (commercial planes fly about 30,000 feet) moving at mach 15 (roughly 10,500mph) and the bodies of the crew hit the ground intact. One woman, unaware of the disaster found an astronaut laying in her driveway and the report was that she said he looked like he was asleep. Even at those speeds and altitudes the shuttle came down in large pieces.

Hi, I-S. I don’t have much experience in this sort of thing. I thought they buried Jenny Rivera sans body. I have seen photos of downed pilots where all that remained was a foot in a leather boot. So please understand when I say: Source, please.

Mr. Chen
Mr. Chen
July 17, 2014 9:54 pm

Mighty convenient this happened to blackout all news coverage of the Israeli invasion of Gaza. It could prove to be Israel’s Iraq.

Let’s take note in case the USA ever invades Mexico. Oh, wait, we are already as far south as Colombia. The North American Union is well on its way.

Oops, no one told you what this flood of immigrants was all about? Like Puerto Rico, soon we will be annexing those countries all the way to Central America. And we will grant them US citizenship just like the Puerto Ricans.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA.

SSS
SSS
July 17, 2014 11:31 pm

“…. Admin’s pictures posted @12:40 is extremely interesting. This plane was flying at 33,000 feet. It was hit by a goddamn missile. And what do you see? hmmmm? LARGE parts of the airplane. And … and … and … HUMAN BODIES! Some, still basically fully in one piece.

The 9-11 plane that supposedly crashed in Shanksville? A debris field made up of a whole bunch of teeny tiny parts …. a few large pieces thrown in to make it look good, and …… no human bodies whatsoever. I smell a fuckn’ rat.”
—-Stucky

No rat, Stucky. Plane hit by missile (or small bomb on board), breaks apart, many of which parts, some large and some small, hit Earth at various speeds up to 200 mph. Plane hijacked and flown into ground full throttle at about 900-1,000 mph resulting in teensy, tiny, itty bitty shit at the crash site. Takes an expert to identify ANYTHING that was alive.

Been there, seen all that stuff.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 17, 2014 11:48 pm

Chen, you can read the reports online. There are 10,000 plus pages. I read the majority of them as they were released in real time along with real time news reports. Several of the crew came down intact. I’m sure their insides were a bit scrambled but they were intact. Some of the crew lost a few body parts as a result of the blunt force trauma during breakup of the crew module. You have to remember they were subjected to hypersonic (mach 5 and above) wind shear forces during breakup. The entire crew likely died instantaneously from rapid decompression or at the very least they were rendered unconscious at that point. They likely had no time to even say “oh shit!”

Both my father and wife served in the Air Force and both were responsible for crash recovery including remains. My wife was specifically trained to identify bodies and parts. Condition of the bodies depends on many factors but bodies falling free or secured to wreckage come down largely intact. Bodies being driven into buildings, trees or the ground vary from chunks to hamburger.

Blackbird crews successfully bailed out of their planes at mach 2-3 and lived. An A-12 pilot died on impact after falling from 45,000 feet while still attached to his seat. He was intact but died from cerebral avulsion. Sad thing was he was conscious the whole ride down.

Some skydivers fall thousands of feet and live after impact.

B-1 Lancer Bomber crews specifically prepare their families not to expect open caskets if they die in flight. If they recover anything at all it’s usually just mush as they fly nap of the Earth at supersonic speeds.

Here is one report, hundreds of pages long on Columbia Crew Survival: http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/298870main_SP-2008-565.pdf You can find plenty more on the NASA website and elsewhere.

I’ve never heard of Jenny Rivera. She was not a Columbia crew member as far as I know.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 17, 2014 11:52 pm

SSS defends his pension when he knows the real cause of the real politik

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 17, 2014 11:56 pm

and you, sss, are not CIA, NSA or anything else, …

El Muchacho
El Muchacho
July 18, 2014 12:29 am

You chood see when chit goes crazy in the bounce house at a quincinera main.

Mr. Chen
Mr. Chen
July 18, 2014 12:32 am

Thanks, I-S, your funny. The Challenger accident was very traumatic for us working landing support, the Columbia was a shock I avoided thinking too much about. Years ago, I got rid of the mementos, we used to get certificates for each landing, I kept the first one I got in the Air Force, though, Columbia, 1981.

http://nikki305.com/2012/12/11/officials-may-have-found-jenni-riveras-body-warning-very-graphic-photos/

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 18, 2014 12:38 am

I’m not sure what was funny but to each his own.

My father has a collection of beer bottles and cans from a drinking session with each pilot he saved during his career as an ejection seat specialist. Every pilot that had to test his work lived.

El Muchacho
El Muchacho
July 18, 2014 12:42 am

I miss Jenny big time main. That ain’t cool IS.

SSS
SSS
July 18, 2014 12:46 am

“SSS defends his pension when he knows the real cause of the real politik …. and you, sss, are not CIA, NSA or anything else, … ”
—-Anonymous

I have been here over 5 years, Anon, and have been criticized, attacked, and savaged by everyone who has responded to my comments. Everyone. No exceptions. Even those who agree with me at many other times. And they always identify themselves with their screen name.

You, however, are that rare creature who chooses to hide under the desk of anonymity. That uncommon blob of protoplasm who is pusillanimous, vacillating, trembling, and fearful. A person who celebrates his or her cowardice.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 18, 2014 12:46 am

Yet another bb style comment that makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

The signal to noise ratio around here seems to be bottoming out.

Mr. Chen
Mr. Chen
July 18, 2014 12:48 am

Inadvertent humor; “She was not a Columbia crew member as far as I know.”

El Muchacho, be careful, your ass might get deported like El Coyote.

Mr. Chen
Mr. Chen
July 18, 2014 12:59 am

sensetti might know, i think el muchacho is solismart, or stephanie sheepdog. i suppose they are harmless. they serve the purpose of a cartoon on a magazine.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 18, 2014 4:55 am

You think all you conspiracy nut jobs can make a coherent argument without resulting to profanity

Howard
Howard
July 18, 2014 6:27 am

Bottom line is this…

Only one side has the capacity to do this. The Kiev regime backed by the West.
The Western Media has now a clear editorial position on all topics there is NO
lie that they are not prepare to mass saturate their public with in service to
the gangster empire.

Howard
Howard
July 18, 2014 6:40 am

My guess is that the people who are making this page look bad are either just idiots or in fact are working for the other side. This page was put up to show clearly this tragedy is being distorted just like everything else that has happened in Ukraine by the Lame Stream Media. I know idiots and bigots don’t need paying but I don’t doubt some “idiots” and “bigots” are paid actors sent onto the internet to discredit any point of view that is the not the official one.

Howard
Howard
July 18, 2014 6:42 am

Dude add an edit mode if you can can.

Administrator
Administrator
July 18, 2014 7:48 am

http://www.vineyardsaker.fr/

Thursday, July 17, 2014

A word of caution about premature conclusions

I am very sorry to have to tell you all that it is too early to conclude that the Novorussian forces did not shoot down the Malaysian airliners. Though most Novorussian air defense systems are man-portable, the Resistance forces did get their hands on some 9K37 Buk missile systems which are quite capable of hitting a civilian airliner at normal cruising speed and altitude.

I am not, repeat, NOT saying that the Novorussians did it. Furthermore, at least one Russian military expert, Igor Korochenko, has declared that the Ukrainian side had officially declared that the Ukrainian soldiers had managed to disable these systems before they fell into the Novorussian hands. But even that is hardly proof of anything. First, I have seen no such Ukrainian official statement. Second, the Ukrainians soldiers could have lied to cover their collective read ends. Third, the Novorusssians could have fixed these systems. So unless the Novorussians have some solid proof that their Buks were inoperable, they have to be included in a list of possible suspects.

There are already speculations about a false flag, about Ukie military aircraft seen flying next to the Malaysian aircraft, even about some parachutes seen near the place were the plane was shot down. I have even seen some speculations about Putin’s official aircraft looking like the Malaysian one and that this could have been an attempt to shoot it down. Clearly the rumor mill is blasting at full power.

Still, the Ukies have already immensely benefited from this incident: now that all the media is completely focused on what happened to this Malaysian airliner, nobody is informed of the catastrophic failure of Poroshenko “surprise” offensive. Right there we already have the first cui bono going to the junta. Second, since no matter what happened the western regimes and media will blame the Russians for this incident, the Ukies will use it in their propaganda campaign (they apparently have already asked NATO for “help” whatever that means). So that is a second cui bono for the junta. As for the Novorussians and Russia, this incident is really the last thing they need.

For whatever it’s worth, and without wanting to give anybody false hopes, I personally think that it is extremely unlikely that the Russians did it because they have a fully integrated, multi layered, advance air defense systems staffed only by specialists. In contrast, the Ukies have an old, decrepit, non-integrated air defense “system” staffed by underpaid, demoralized and poorly trained conscripts. And since the Kremlin likes to maintain the illusion that it does not control the Novorussians, even if there is proof that the latter are responsible for this catastrophe, this will not directly implicate Russia (which would have been the worst option). I hope that the Russians will be able to prove that the Novorussians did not do it by, for example, finding key parts of the missile(s) which hit MH17 or by showing all the Resistance missiles “unshot”, right there in the hangars were they were found.

Another thing which has not been done is a careful calculation of the exact flight envelope of the missiles in Novorussian hands. In the real world, you cannot just say that a missile can shoot a target going at speed X and altitude Y. You need to calculate an exact flight envelope and compare it against the exact flight characteristics of the target supposedly hit. In other words, until somebody makes such an analysis, there is no proof that the Novorussian Buks could have shot down this aircraft.

Then, let’s see what the black boxes show. Apparently, those were found by the good guys and sent to Moscow. Also, the Russian Air Defenses have the exact flight parameters of the Malaysian aircraft and of any missile(s) which could have hit him. If the Ukies did it, chances are pretty good that the Russians will be able to prove it. Alas, if the Novorussians did it, the Russians will probably also provide the evidence as covering up for it would be foolish.

For the time being, let’s not run after each rumor and let’s just wait for 48 hours or so, when at least we will have some facts to look at. And let’s pray that this was not a mistake by the Novorussians.

The Saker

overthecliff
overthecliff
July 18, 2014 9:40 am

Who is paying for all the propaganda on CNN etc.? Those people are making it up as they go. Conspiracy theories are plentiful. The stuff we are getting is about as truthful as the stories of Germans bayoneting women and babies in Belgium in WWI. We will never know what happened to that plane.

Thinker
Thinker
July 18, 2014 10:07 am

Admin, thanks for posting that piece from The Saker. I said the same thing last night — the people jumping to conclusions and threatening war over this, without the investigation even begun, are the last thing we need. I’m tired of Obama threatening sanctions, McCain calling for war and the MSM touting Cold-War-era memes. Clearly a few people here disagree with me, but hey, so it goes.

Administrator
Administrator
July 18, 2014 10:07 am

The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/18/2014 09:53 -0400

Yesterday, we laid out extensively what the official Ukrainian case was when it came to “proof” that Russian separatists had launched the Buk missile which allegedly took down flight MH-17; we also highlighted several glaring inconsistencies and questions that still remained open after the “incriminatory” YouTube clip release. So far, any international response has been muted to this hastily prepared evidence of Russian involvement, although the day is still young.

So what about the Russian side? Below we present the key arguments made by Russia to suggest that not it, but Ukraine, was responsible for taking down the Malaysian Boeing.

As reported earlier by RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says it had intercepted the activity of a Ukrainian radar system on the day the Malaysian plane went down in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s press service said Friday.

“Throughout the day on July 17, Russian means of radar surveillance intercepted the operation of the Buk-M1 battery’s Kupol radar station located in the region of the populated area of Styla [30 kilometers south of Donetsk],” the press service said in a statement.

“The technical capabilities of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of data on air targets between batteries of one battalion. Thus, the launch of rockets could have also occurred from any of the batteries deployed in the populated area of Avdeevka [8 kilometers north of Donetsk] or from Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe [25 kilometers east of Donetsk],” the ministry said.

Then we go to Itar-Tass which reported that civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.

“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.

“During the combat actions in Donetsk’s airport the communication tower, a part of the united air control service was blown up,” he said adding that “planes cannot fly there.”

On July 8, Ukraine’s State Aviation Service banned all flights over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions aiming to provide “adequate safety and security for all flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation.

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, Rosaviatsia reported.

This goes back to our post from last night in which we wondered just why and how did it happen that flight MH-17 diverted from its usual trajectory to fly over what was effectively restricted airspace. This also is the topic of a follow up piece by Bloomberg released overnight in which it was noted that “Malaysian Air Flight Took Route Avoided by Qantas, Asiana:”

Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.

One hopes that all lingering questions about the flight path, and where the instructions to change it came from, will be answered when the contents of the flight black box are released.

And finally, as RT reported, the national governor of the Donetsk region, Pavel Gubarev, admitted that while the separatists indeed are in possession of one BUK missile unit, it is not operational, and even if it was, it would be unable to reach a height of over 30,000 feet without central radar guidance which the Donetsk region does not have, once again suggesting that a Surface to Air Missile, if indeed one was used, came from the Ukraine side. Surely it will be very easy for international monitors to validate this report.

We will ignore circulating reports of two Ukraine jets that may have followed the Boeing as there is, at least for now, zero direct or circumstantial evidence validating this story aside from one Twitter account which has since been deleted.

In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to “who” the shooter was.