Well, this will be in the news for the next 10 days nonstop.
CNN already blaming “poorly trained Russian troops”
The Dogs Of War are wagging their tails. SOMEBODY wants a Russian-American war. No matter what, the ANTI-RUSSIAN smear campaign will be Fast&Furious. Wetback Heraldo on FuxNewz is already “100% convinced” it was the Russians.
Prepare your sorry asses for a MASSIVE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN from the MSM. You won’t get the truth from them. Ever. Will be interesting to see who is really behind this, and what it will lead to.
Videos just released moments ago ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nepYIjgmWRo&feature=player_detailpage
stucky….youre stuck with your own STUPID,DUMB,ULTRA MINDCONTROL,MEDIA ,PSY-OP PROPAGANDA LIES….DUMB FUCK…BRAINDEAD SHEEP…DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN SANTA-CLAUS….???
” … we’re kicking Russian butt in Eastern Ukraine” ————- IraK
I rarely, if ever, address you because you are a fucking idiot. I think it’s all an act. Nevertheless, you play the fool, so you must live with the label.
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“However, if the Russians, who have the plane’s black box, can convince the world” ——– IraK
A black box can do no such thing. Look up what it does, you moron.
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“Who has the most to gain by the crash of the Malaysian jet?”——– IraK
— The Russians have absolutely NOTHING to gain. fyi …. Putin is pretty much kicking Oreo’s ass everywhere acroos the world.
— The “separatists” have absolutely NOTHING to gain. They are BEGGING for the world to take notice of the carnage Kiev is raining upon them. What oin the goddamn fuck would they gain??
— Kiev Ukies have EVERYTHING to gain. Yes, the “separatists” have access to the missile …. they captured a missile vehicle from the Ukies last week who sent them to Eastern Ukraine. hmmmmm, fishy, no? The Kiev Ukies certainly knew for a fact that Western Media would IMMEDIATELY blame the “separatists”. Low and behold, within ONE HOUR the “separatists” were blamed on ALL THREE major cable channels. No investigation necessary,
Why would the Nazi Ukies and O’Nigger want this to happen? Perhaps you should watch this video posted by T4C a couple days ago. Become educated. You’ll still be an asshole, but at least you’ll be a smart asshole.
Jet engines DO NOT spew black smoke. If they did you are losing power.
Even an after-burner does not spew black smoke, they just inject Jet-A into the pressurized exhaust pipe, to create more thrust. Wasteful, but it does increase thrust.
kill bill…..do you believe it’s a hoax or is it a inside job???
Max is just a bot.
do you believe it’s a hoax or is it a inside job??? -Max
I am only looking at what I see Max. Perhaps your programmer will ‘adjust’ your algo.
Re: Stucky vs. max cady….
If you know something about a topic you can discuss it rationally. That’s Stucky, most of the time.
If you don’t know shit from shinola about a subject, and maybe anything else, call names. Stupid, dumb fuck, and braindead sheep are characteristic epithets for (half)wits like ….
And the winner, and still champion is the long-time and most of the time TBP favorite, Stucky, fka Stuck In New Jersey. He thinks, he tries, and he cares,
stucky is it a hoax or a inside job???yes or no!!!295 dead or nobody is dead???yes ore no!!!
Max, your programmer should be fired.
Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip “Proving” Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0…n-flight-mh-17
Jackson
I am POSITIVE you’re all about stirring shit, and you do a damn good job at it. In fact, I often vote thumbs up on your bullshit. I think you are a regular with this alter ego. Before I die, I hope you reveal your secret.
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max candy
You are SERIOUSLY off your fucking rocker. Your thinking is fatally flawed. Your logic is nonexistent. But, worst of all, unlike IraK, you have ZERO humor. I have zero interest in talking any further with you. In closing, blow me.
jackson,what’s your opion….easy question…a hoax or a inside job….295 dead or no deaths…????yes or no…if stucky says take your meds…and get lost..and blow me…WHY????i live in the netherlands!!!!!!!!!i saw 1 minute of the pasports on t.v (BRANDNEW!!!)and THE “BODIES”(DUMMIES/CRISISACTORS) etc..etc…and why is my opinion so strange??or stupid??so yes or no….295 dead or not…a hoax or a inside job???and did you and stucky look at the brandnew pasports…????IT’S A HOAX 10000000000000%!!!!!please answer and BELIEVE ME I’M AS REAL AS IT’S GETS….I’M NO SHILL!!!!OR BOT!!!
Stupidest Bot Ever.
Satori’s link above does not work. Here is the Ukie “proof” video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BbyZYgSXdyw
This just reeks of bullshit, and mighty cheap-ass bullshit at that.
Remember all those youtube vids PROVING that Assad used toxic gas …. ALL of which were later proven to be false? The above vid is just like that.
Here is the zerohedge article —– http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-proving-rebels-shot-down-malaysian-flight-mh-17
my programmer??????????????????what a joke!!!!!!!!!hahahahaha…….still no answers from you all,only blabla….yes or no!!!!!!295 dead….a hoax or inside job???why do you think that i have a programmer???ARE MY COMMENT’S AND ANALYSES THAT STUPID,STRANGE???NEW WORLD ORDER,HOAX,ROCKEFFELER,QUEEN ELIZABETH,”DEAD BODIES”,DUMMY’S/CRISISACTORS,BRANDNEW PASSPORTS….ETC..ETC…
strange..nobody answers the most IMPORTANT EASY QUESTIONS???!!??WHY??????
im from holland what’s A BOT???
Some dick sucking homo on CNN just said “If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck it’s a duck …. so it must be Russia”. Lord God Almighty, save us.
WHERE are all the regulars??? I’m stuck here reading Max the dickhead posts? Fuckit. See you all tomorrow.
If it was a shootdown, then it wasn’t any fucking accident. I don’t trust any of these bastards. At all. The N00ze outlets I trust even less.
Someone is stirring the shit, trying to provoke a response.. but provoke whom into doing what?
Ukies say the Russians did it. Russians call bullshit and blame the Ukies. The CIA is probably still over there, stirring the shit.
Too many players and I don’t know enough to even make a fucking guess…
The only saving grace is that at that altitude, the lack of oxygen probably rendered everyone unconscious, so they didn’t feel anything when they slammed into the ground… at least there’s that small bit of mercy.
Stucky,
You’re right, I am a shit stirrer either under my own name or as two or three other nom de plumes. As for who I am, who else I post as, and what my views are, pay attention because at times I’ve revealed all and will do so again.
Oh, and as I wrote above, keep on thinking, trying to figure things out, and caring. I always enjoy your posts whether you’re flinging shit, full of shit, or have your shit together, which you do most of the time.
“MH-17 is not an incident or catastrophe, it is a terrorist attack”
———————US puppet in Kiev Petro “the Chocolate King” Poroshenko
When I first heard the news about the latest Malaysian Air jetliner disaster early this afternoon my first thought was something like “why in the hell was it flying over a war zone?” but rapidly following that was the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Obama regime had finally succeeded in finding a way to launch World War III by blaming it all on Putin.
Did it only seem like the rush to judgment had already begun within the US government, the enclave of thugs and neo-Nazis in the Kiev junta and the corrupt state-corporate media even before the the smoking ruins of the Kuala Lumpur bound Boeing 777 had hit the ground in eastern Ukraine?
For nearly six months now the Obama regime and the warmongers at the neocon infested State Department have been desperately searching for that one key piece of evidence that they could use to unite world opinion against Russia and the hated leader Vladimir Putin in order to allow the US-EU-NATO Axis of Aggression to really unleash the dogs in a storm the beaches move to bring about regime change in Moscow.
Now they finally have it and the facts are being fixed around the policy to set into motion the series of first strike moves that will likely in the end lead to a global cataclysm of which has never occurred in human history.
The murderous illegally occupying government of Ukraine, led by the fanatical Petro “Porky” Poroshenko aka the Chocolate King was immediately blaming Russia for the shooting down of the airliner and the 295 deaths, almost as if they already had the cover story ready to roll and it certainly behooves them in that the “anti-terrorist” offensive (aka ethnic cleansing spree) against anti-austerity, anti-fascist federalists was not going as planned.
Today’s tragedy is certainly a boon to the junta regime and it’s western backers who despite the simple fact that Russia would have absolutely nothing to gain from shooting down the plane and everything to lose.
The news of the disaster continues to develop rapidly and as could be expected the Obama regime is already shaping the narrative with the typical unnamed US intelligence sources as well as Vice President Joe Biden himself are already calling it a missile strike. By tomorrow there will be a rock solid wall of lockstep propaganda rolled out to support this and the 23 Americans onboard will be the ones to be avenged as our latest group of martyred “heroes”.
This could be the day when the shit finally hits the fan and there is a very real possibility that none of our lives will ever be the same again and only a week and a half from the 100th anniversary of World War I – the disastrous US intervention that set off the chain of events that has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions and we to this day are still choking on the blood.
There are really only a few possibilities regarding MH-17:
1: Gross negligence and incompetence on behalf of Malaysian Airlines, scant months after the eerie disappearance of Flight 370 likely the result of a mechanical failure (shoddy maintenance) in sending this passenger jets flight-path directly over a fucking war zone after multiple planes had already been shot down in the ongoing undeclared civil war in Ukraine.
2: The type of heinous and history altering incident that comes from hot tempers and itchy trigger fingers. I have just been waiting for some hothead in either NATO or the Kiev occupying government to overreact although I really suspected that it would be a small tactical nuke that would would be loosed.
3: Anti-austerity, anti-fascist federalist rebels in the east mistakenly shot the plane down believing that it was from Kiev ferrying in reinforcements for ethnic cleansing operations. Probably unlikely because MH-17 was flying too high to be within range of their weaponry and the downing by a Russian air-defense battery jsut isn’t credible because with the USA!, USA!, USA! just itching for an opportunity to justify escalation these systems and their operators would be especially careful.
4: A false flag event designed to provide the rationale for whipping the American public into a blood-thirsty frenzy (it doesn’t take much anymore) in order to muster backing for a desperate suicide mission by a rapidly deteriorating empire against the recalcitrant Putin. This is not the stuff of so-called “conspiracy theories” as history is replete with exactly this type of thing: Gulf of Tonkin, USS Maine, the Lusitania and to many who dare to question the 21st century quest for global hegemony: 9/11.
It is impossible to see how this is not going to be used by Obama to avenge the slights inflicted upon his fragile and arrogant psyche by Putin over Edward Snowden and later Syria and this being an election year you can rest assured that every cowardly Democrat will be backing his donning of the mantle of “war president” lest they be called out as chicken by the always ready to go to war Republicans.
This can only end badly for Americans outside of the entitled and arrogant elite and it will do exactly that.
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http://carryingaflag.blogspot.com/
Stuck, I am going to put in my two cents worth.
The pics I have seen the fuselage came apart at its seams. IE a monocoque frame.
There are some bodies, with deep gashes, with no blood seeping from them.
I do see a few holes, reminscient of a 50 cal gun mounted on another plane.
Armor piercing. Non Explosive.
It only takes a few well placed shots to disable hydraulic systems. Which this craft is dependent on.
Crisis.
From Chaos comes Order.
And poles, from all lands, will use this.
Hey main, Stuckolito, you just don’t get it. Building 7, have you even looked at the footage? You don’t have to understand rocket surgery to know that chit don’t work. Get a clue main. They found thermite and chit all in the rubble, and Jorge bushes cousin was the head of landscaping, esse. You have to open your mind to the real truth Jewlianie made out for real.
More photos of the crash over at the Daily Mail for you airplane and explosion experts…
More details there on who may be responsible, as well — it’s looking like Russian separatists — and details about how the plane broke up, bodies falling over a 9-mile area.
Like most things, we’ll learn more as the investigation progresses. Let’s hope cooler heads prevail.
Well, Max, bot, at least you have given some insite to keywords.
“A false flag event designed to provide the rationale for whipping the American public into a blood-thirsty frenzy (it doesn’t take much anymore)” – carryingaflag.blogspot
Hardly…only the lamestream news gets whipped up and their panties in a wad.
The American public is asleep.
Hey max…
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IndenturedServant says:
The space shuttle broke up over Texas at roughly 175,000 feet (commercial planes fly about 30,000 feet) moving at mach 15 (roughly 10,500mph) and the bodies of the crew hit the ground intact. One woman, unaware of the disaster found an astronaut laying in her driveway and the report was that she said he looked like he was asleep. Even at those speeds and altitudes the shuttle came down in large pieces.
Hi, I-S. I don’t have much experience in this sort of thing. I thought they buried Jenny Rivera sans body. I have seen photos of downed pilots where all that remained was a foot in a leather boot. So please understand when I say: Source, please.
Mighty convenient this happened to blackout all news coverage of the Israeli invasion of Gaza. It could prove to be Israel’s Iraq.
Let’s take note in case the USA ever invades Mexico. Oh, wait, we are already as far south as Colombia. The North American Union is well on its way.
Oops, no one told you what this flood of immigrants was all about? Like Puerto Rico, soon we will be annexing those countries all the way to Central America. And we will grant them US citizenship just like the Puerto Ricans.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA.
“…. Admin’s pictures posted @12:40 is extremely interesting. This plane was flying at 33,000 feet. It was hit by a goddamn missile. And what do you see? hmmmm? LARGE parts of the airplane. And … and … and … HUMAN BODIES! Some, still basically fully in one piece.
The 9-11 plane that supposedly crashed in Shanksville? A debris field made up of a whole bunch of teeny tiny parts …. a few large pieces thrown in to make it look good, and …… no human bodies whatsoever. I smell a fuckn’ rat.”
—-Stucky
No rat, Stucky. Plane hit by missile (or small bomb on board), breaks apart, many of which parts, some large and some small, hit Earth at various speeds up to 200 mph. Plane hijacked and flown into ground full throttle at about 900-1,000 mph resulting in teensy, tiny, itty bitty shit at the crash site. Takes an expert to identify ANYTHING that was alive.
Been there, seen all that stuff.
Chen, you can read the reports online. There are 10,000 plus pages. I read the majority of them as they were released in real time along with real time news reports. Several of the crew came down intact. I’m sure their insides were a bit scrambled but they were intact. Some of the crew lost a few body parts as a result of the blunt force trauma during breakup of the crew module. You have to remember they were subjected to hypersonic (mach 5 and above) wind shear forces during breakup. The entire crew likely died instantaneously from rapid decompression or at the very least they were rendered unconscious at that point. They likely had no time to even say “oh shit!”
Both my father and wife served in the Air Force and both were responsible for crash recovery including remains. My wife was specifically trained to identify bodies and parts. Condition of the bodies depends on many factors but bodies falling free or secured to wreckage come down largely intact. Bodies being driven into buildings, trees or the ground vary from chunks to hamburger.
Blackbird crews successfully bailed out of their planes at mach 2-3 and lived. An A-12 pilot died on impact after falling from 45,000 feet while still attached to his seat. He was intact but died from cerebral avulsion. Sad thing was he was conscious the whole ride down.
Some skydivers fall thousands of feet and live after impact.
B-1 Lancer Bomber crews specifically prepare their families not to expect open caskets if they die in flight. If they recover anything at all it’s usually just mush as they fly nap of the Earth at supersonic speeds.
Here is one report, hundreds of pages long on Columbia Crew Survival: http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/298870main_SP-2008-565.pdf You can find plenty more on the NASA website and elsewhere.
I’ve never heard of Jenny Rivera. She was not a Columbia crew member as far as I know.
SSS defends his pension when he knows the real cause of the real politik
and you, sss, are not CIA, NSA or anything else, …
You chood see when chit goes crazy in the bounce house at a quincinera main.
Thanks, I-S, your funny. The Challenger accident was very traumatic for us working landing support, the Columbia was a shock I avoided thinking too much about. Years ago, I got rid of the mementos, we used to get certificates for each landing, I kept the first one I got in the Air Force, though, Columbia, 1981.
http://nikki305.com/2012/12/11/officials-may-have-found-jenni-riveras-body-warning-very-graphic-photos/
I’m not sure what was funny but to each his own.
My father has a collection of beer bottles and cans from a drinking session with each pilot he saved during his career as an ejection seat specialist. Every pilot that had to test his work lived.
I miss Jenny big time main. That ain’t cool IS.
“SSS defends his pension when he knows the real cause of the real politik …. and you, sss, are not CIA, NSA or anything else, … ”
—-Anonymous
I have been here over 5 years, Anon, and have been criticized, attacked, and savaged by everyone who has responded to my comments. Everyone. No exceptions. Even those who agree with me at many other times. And they always identify themselves with their screen name.
You, however, are that rare creature who chooses to hide under the desk of anonymity. That uncommon blob of protoplasm who is pusillanimous, vacillating, trembling, and fearful. A person who celebrates his or her cowardice.
Yet another bb style comment that makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
The signal to noise ratio around here seems to be bottoming out.
Inadvertent humor; “She was not a Columbia crew member as far as I know.”
El Muchacho, be careful, your ass might get deported like El Coyote.
sensetti might know, i think el muchacho is solismart, or stephanie sheepdog. i suppose they are harmless. they serve the purpose of a cartoon on a magazine.
You think all you conspiracy nut jobs can make a coherent argument without resulting to profanity
Bottom line is this…
Only one side has the capacity to do this. The Kiev regime backed by the West.
The Western Media has now a clear editorial position on all topics there is NO
lie that they are not prepare to mass saturate their public with in service to
the gangster empire.
My guess is that the people who are making this page look bad are either just idiots or in fact are working for the other side. This page was put up to show clearly this tragedy is being distorted just like everything else that has happened in Ukraine by the Lame Stream Media. I know idiots and bigots don’t need paying but I don’t doubt some “idiots” and “bigots” are paid actors sent onto the internet to discredit any point of view that is the not the official one.
Dude add an edit mode if you can can.
http://www.vineyardsaker.fr/
Thursday, July 17, 2014
A word of caution about premature conclusions
I am very sorry to have to tell you all that it is too early to conclude that the Novorussian forces did not shoot down the Malaysian airliners. Though most Novorussian air defense systems are man-portable, the Resistance forces did get their hands on some 9K37 Buk missile systems which are quite capable of hitting a civilian airliner at normal cruising speed and altitude.
I am not, repeat, NOT saying that the Novorussians did it. Furthermore, at least one Russian military expert, Igor Korochenko, has declared that the Ukrainian side had officially declared that the Ukrainian soldiers had managed to disable these systems before they fell into the Novorussian hands. But even that is hardly proof of anything. First, I have seen no such Ukrainian official statement. Second, the Ukrainians soldiers could have lied to cover their collective read ends. Third, the Novorusssians could have fixed these systems. So unless the Novorussians have some solid proof that their Buks were inoperable, they have to be included in a list of possible suspects.
There are already speculations about a false flag, about Ukie military aircraft seen flying next to the Malaysian aircraft, even about some parachutes seen near the place were the plane was shot down. I have even seen some speculations about Putin’s official aircraft looking like the Malaysian one and that this could have been an attempt to shoot it down. Clearly the rumor mill is blasting at full power.
Still, the Ukies have already immensely benefited from this incident: now that all the media is completely focused on what happened to this Malaysian airliner, nobody is informed of the catastrophic failure of Poroshenko “surprise” offensive. Right there we already have the first cui bono going to the junta. Second, since no matter what happened the western regimes and media will blame the Russians for this incident, the Ukies will use it in their propaganda campaign (they apparently have already asked NATO for “help” whatever that means). So that is a second cui bono for the junta. As for the Novorussians and Russia, this incident is really the last thing they need.
For whatever it’s worth, and without wanting to give anybody false hopes, I personally think that it is extremely unlikely that the Russians did it because they have a fully integrated, multi layered, advance air defense systems staffed only by specialists. In contrast, the Ukies have an old, decrepit, non-integrated air defense “system” staffed by underpaid, demoralized and poorly trained conscripts. And since the Kremlin likes to maintain the illusion that it does not control the Novorussians, even if there is proof that the latter are responsible for this catastrophe, this will not directly implicate Russia (which would have been the worst option). I hope that the Russians will be able to prove that the Novorussians did not do it by, for example, finding key parts of the missile(s) which hit MH17 or by showing all the Resistance missiles “unshot”, right there in the hangars were they were found.
Another thing which has not been done is a careful calculation of the exact flight envelope of the missiles in Novorussian hands. In the real world, you cannot just say that a missile can shoot a target going at speed X and altitude Y. You need to calculate an exact flight envelope and compare it against the exact flight characteristics of the target supposedly hit. In other words, until somebody makes such an analysis, there is no proof that the Novorussian Buks could have shot down this aircraft.
Then, let’s see what the black boxes show. Apparently, those were found by the good guys and sent to Moscow. Also, the Russian Air Defenses have the exact flight parameters of the Malaysian aircraft and of any missile(s) which could have hit him. If the Ukies did it, chances are pretty good that the Russians will be able to prove it. Alas, if the Novorussians did it, the Russians will probably also provide the evidence as covering up for it would be foolish.
For the time being, let’s not run after each rumor and let’s just wait for 48 hours or so, when at least we will have some facts to look at. And let’s pray that this was not a mistake by the Novorussians.
The Saker
For those of you who did not see the live action as it happened yesterday, I tell you the truth that it is as I said in my intro, the MSM started blaming Russia within one hour. Today, the full court press is on. The dicksuckers are calling for far more severe sanctions immediately. Some are saying we need to do more than sanctions … without actually calling for some military strike, but that’s exactly what they want.
I can just envision the Ukie Nazi leaders begging for NATO “help”, claiming they can’t do it on their own and it’s only a matter of time before the eeee-vil “separatists” bring down another airliner, or worse. NATO comes in and establishes a No-Fly zone. Inevitably, an F-15 is shot down. NATO retaliates even more. Russia is forced into a war by our Big Nigger. Game Over.
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Establishment Begins Building the Case Against Putin
You have to give it to the extremists that run the US government war machine these days, they are predictable to a fault.
The morning after the apparent shootdown of a Malaysian Airlines passenger jet over Ukraine (once again, why was a commercial airliner routed over a war zone?) the warmongers are out with a vengeance in building their ongoing case against Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
Putin’s grave offenses have been;
—– 1) presiding over a government that dared to save NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden from a US torture chamber
—– (2) intervening to stop what would have been a devastating air attack on the regime of Syrian leader Bashar al Assad who was blamed for a to this day unsolved use of sarin gas on civilians
—– (3) working to facilitate an end to economic sanctions against Iran for their alleged nuclear program
—– (4) not accepting the illegally installed US backed, neo-Nazi infested coup in Ukraine
—– (5) refusing to bow to the demands of crazy old Uncle Scam therefore risking becoming an example of one who successfully stands up to a bully.
The lurid tales that have been churned out of the propaganda machine like so many sausage links made of tainted rat meat have duped already stupid and fear-addled Americans into accepting that Putin is some malevolent evil force out of a Marvel comics series and now with the downed airliner – the earthly manifestation of Mephistopheles himself.
Sadly it will be gobbled up by the American common folk who will ultimately be the ones who foot the bill for the coming disaster of our warped foreign policy – just like they always do.
Leading point for the wrapping of the blame of the downing of MH-17 around the Russian leader’s neck like the noose applied before the lynching are the usual vermin and scum that have risen to the apex of the rotten to the core and now bordering on biblical evil US government that lives high in the kingdom of Washington.
Vice President Joe Biden rapidly identified the air disaster as a missile attack as though he already knew the answer – the veep is hardly one who is unbiased in the Ukrainian matter given his son landed a plum job with the country’s largest gas company – which he likely did.
Old blood and guts, Senator John McCain was bellowing his usual bullshit and crying for war – has there ever been a stronger argument for euthanasia?
But the deal was sealed when none other than Queen Hillary the Inevitable, our historic first woman president in waiting let it rip on the Charlie Rose show last night. As in the Bush era, the “facts” were being fixed around the policy and the policy as it was even before this primo excuse for a war of some type against Russia have always been preordained.
The war propaganda and campaign of relentless demonization will pick up today and escalate to a thundering and rousing, flag-wrapped crescendo by the time that the usual assortment of freaks, stooges and war criminals are rolled out for the Sunday morning “news” shows.
The warmonger’s gazette, The Washington Post is pounding the war drums loudly already as the sun rises on Friday from the neocon bunker of their editorial page with a call to arms “The world must know whose weapon destroyed a passenger plane” – which anyone who has seen what the monsters running the USA!, USA!, USA! since September 11, 2001 already knows.
The reports from the illegitimate occupying government in Kiev are taken as gospel by the state-corporate media and the “proof” will assuredly be provided and be as damning as the aerial photos of Saddam’s mobile chemical weapons labs. I excerpt from WAPO:
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In recent days there has been abundant evidence of Russia stepping up supplies of heavy weapons to rebels in eastern Ukraine, including advanced anti-aircraft systems. The Kiev government reported that two of its military aircraft were shot down in the past week, either by separatists, Russian planes or batteries operating from across the border. On Thursday came a greater tragedy: the destruction of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet with 295 people aboard. Ukrainian authorities charged that it had been struck by a missile fired by a Russian-made surface-to-air battery supplied to Moscow’s Ukrainian proxies.
If the reports are confirmed, the Ukrainian separatists and their sponsors in Moscow will be responsible for a heinous crime. The United States and its allies must insist that those responsible be held accountable — including those in the Kremlin. [TRANSLATION: PUTIN]
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First the word of “Ukranian authorities” and the “Kiev government” are not to be believed or trusted, this is a US installed puppet regime packed with thugs, crooks, fascists, neo-Nazis and led by a corrupt oligarch whose fondness for Hitlerian statements of total retaliation to avenge the deaths of military forces killed by anti-austerity, anti-fascist federalists defending against ethnic cleansing indicated a depth of moral depravity that makes it easy to see why the US State Department and Obama regime back him.
The WAPO screed goes on:
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The White House continues to avoid measures that could inflict crushing damage on the Russian financial system and force Mr. Putin and the elites around him to choose between aggression in Ukraine and Russia’s economic future. Wednesday’s measures stop two banks from obtaining long-term debt financing in U.S. markets, but the treasury has not excluded those banks from the financial system nor taken measures against the largest banks. Though its bank was sanctioned, the energy operations of Gazprom, Russia’s giant, remain untouched.
Even before the tragic loss of the Malaysian plane, it ought to have been clear to the West that Russia’s aggression in Ukraine could not be overlooked or wished away. It is both criminal and intolerable and should be treated accordingly.
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That is about as obvious a call to arms- even if it results in a civilization destroying nuclear war – as it gets but this is the depth of the systemic rot in our now fully amok and globally despised empire.
The very least that the WAPO is calling for seems to be the dropping of what has been referred to as the “financial neutron bomb” which would in essence be an act of war.
But war is what the establishment needs and has refashioned US society around as a the cornerstone for our continued existence – it is lucrative, keeps the bewildered herd in line with the ongoing worship of the flag and the state and most of all it is damned good politics in the permanent election cycle.
The feeding frenzy begins but the obvious blame lies with Obama himself because had he not presided over the original sin of the coup d’etat in Kiev then there would have been no war zone and the passengers of MH-17 would be alive today.
The emperor not only has blood on his hands but it would not be a surprise if he bathes in it on a daily basis.
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http://carryingaflag.blogspot.com/
Who is paying for all the propaganda on CNN etc.? Those people are making it up as they go. Conspiracy theories are plentiful. The stuff we are getting is about as truthful as the stories of Germans bayoneting women and babies in Belgium in WWI. We will never know what happened to that plane.
Admin, thanks for posting that piece from The Saker. I said the same thing last night — the people jumping to conclusions and threatening war over this, without the investigation even begun, are the last thing we need. I’m tired of Obama threatening sanctions, McCain calling for war and the MSM touting Cold-War-era memes. Clearly a few people here disagree with me, but hey, so it goes.
The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/18/2014 09:53 -0400
Yesterday, we laid out extensively what the official Ukrainian case was when it came to “proof” that Russian separatists had launched the Buk missile which allegedly took down flight MH-17; we also highlighted several glaring inconsistencies and questions that still remained open after the “incriminatory” YouTube clip release. So far, any international response has been muted to this hastily prepared evidence of Russian involvement, although the day is still young.
So what about the Russian side? Below we present the key arguments made by Russia to suggest that not it, but Ukraine, was responsible for taking down the Malaysian Boeing.
As reported earlier by RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says it had intercepted the activity of a Ukrainian radar system on the day the Malaysian plane went down in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s press service said Friday.
“Throughout the day on July 17, Russian means of radar surveillance intercepted the operation of the Buk-M1 battery’s Kupol radar station located in the region of the populated area of Styla [30 kilometers south of Donetsk],” the press service said in a statement.
“The technical capabilities of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of data on air targets between batteries of one battalion. Thus, the launch of rockets could have also occurred from any of the batteries deployed in the populated area of Avdeevka [8 kilometers north of Donetsk] or from Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe [25 kilometers east of Donetsk],” the ministry said.
Then we go to Itar-Tass which reported that civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.
“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
“During the combat actions in Donetsk’s airport the communication tower, a part of the united air control service was blown up,” he said adding that “planes cannot fly there.”
On July 8, Ukraine’s State Aviation Service banned all flights over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions aiming to provide “adequate safety and security for all flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation.
Meanwhile, Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, Rosaviatsia reported.
This goes back to our post from last night in which we wondered just why and how did it happen that flight MH-17 diverted from its usual trajectory to fly over what was effectively restricted airspace. This also is the topic of a follow up piece by Bloomberg released overnight in which it was noted that “Malaysian Air Flight Took Route Avoided by Qantas, Asiana:”
Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.
One hopes that all lingering questions about the flight path, and where the instructions to change it came from, will be answered when the contents of the flight black box are released.
And finally, as RT reported, the national governor of the Donetsk region, Pavel Gubarev, admitted that while the separatists indeed are in possession of one BUK missile unit, it is not operational, and even if it was, it would be unable to reach a height of over 30,000 feet without central radar guidance which the Donetsk region does not have, once again suggesting that a Surface to Air Missile, if indeed one was used, came from the Ukraine side. Surely it will be very easy for international monitors to validate this report.
We will ignore circulating reports of two Ukraine jets that may have followed the Boeing as there is, at least for now, zero direct or circumstantial evidence validating this story aside from one Twitter account which has since been deleted.
In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to “who” the shooter was.