Question of the Day, Oct 7

Recently, I got into an argument about gun control with a crazy lefty. Of course, they want full gubmint control over all guns, who can own them, what type, etc… The question is, what gives these nut jobs the concept that the gubmint can do no wrong? Why can’t they see what’s in front of them.


Author: Back in PA Mike

Crotchety middle aged man with a hot younger wife dead set on saving this Country.

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TPC
TPC

American’s have always had a lot of guns around, and the rate even seems to be falling.

However, the rash of public shootings really didn’t start becoming a thing until 1998 or so, when they became annual, and eventually monthly occurrences.

This flies in the face of the fact that overall violence in America is down almost across the board.

Violence is going down, gun ownership is (albeit slowly) falling.

Yet public spectacles of violence are increasing in frequency?

We’ve had economic downturns before, so I doubt its that.
We’ve had guns for a very long time, so I doubt its that.

All of these disturbed individuals have the same fucking story for fucks sake, I mean the headline for the shooters in the late 90s early 2000s have the same damned story attached to them.

[ X] Young Male
[ X] Mental issues
[ X] Slurry of medication

My wife was (wrongfully) prescribed an SSRI right before our marriage. Almost overnight my darling wife had an entire personality shift into something bad. She would sit in bouts of melancholy before one day snapping and raging about various things. Throwing shit, lashing out.

The meds serve to level a person out, but a shift outside of that norm causes a person to “snap”.

For some, those drugs can actually treat a problem (SSRIs aren’t bad, giving them out like candy is), but the overprescription of psychoactive drugs in this country is a major, UNTALKED ABOUT problem.

Rather than try to address the issue/work with the person our society crams little pills down their throat to turn them into good little robotic members of society. Then, when one of the robots breaks down, we can shrug and say “but they seemed like such a nice boy!”

card802
card802

All liberals like Shirley produce little or nothing so they must control the producers and decide what to do with their production.

Gun control is one important step in the big picture, facts will not matter one whit so arguing is a complete waste of time, just the end result of more laws, more restrictions, more control.

Rise Up

The question is, what gives these nut jobs the concept that the gubmint can do no wrong?
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The lefties don’t care what can go wrong–they only care about CONTROL.

As to gun ownership vs. gun violence:

“The truth? The number of guns in the United States has increased by 62% since 1994 but gun violence has decreased by 49% since 1993:

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Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425043/chart-truth-about-gun-ownership-america-isnt-what-liberals-think

kokoda
kokoda

TPC…every time O’Blunder goes off the rails on gun control, gun sales increase dramatically. Go look at the charts for Ruger and S&W.

Anonymous
Anonymous

When talking to a gun grabbing lefty, just ask one simple question (and demand it be answered directly):

“What gun control laws do you want that Mexico doesn’t already have?”.

Get a direct answer, not the usual diversion and change of subject to avoid a real answer.

And don’t let the discussion progress till you get it, just re ask the question.

Rise Up

TPC says:
For some, those drugs can actually treat a problem (SSRIs aren’t bad, giving them out like candy is), but the overprescription of psychoactive drugs in this country is a major, UNTALKED ABOUT problem.
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Some lamestream media talking heads are slowly bringing this up in their commentaries, but since the drug industry provides the major networks tons of advertising money, it isn’t discussed to the level it should be.

card802
card802

“What gun control laws do you want that Mexico doesn’t already have?”

I envision the answer will be the Mexican gov is corrupt, while our gov is not so we can do it better.

Anonymous
Anonymous

card802,

Yes that would be in keeping with the leftist tactic of changing the conversation to a different subject when they cannot answer the question without speaking against themselves.

Alinsky rule 11 “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.”

Stucky

“The question is, what gives these nut jobs the concept that the gubmint can do no wrong?”
———– from the article

It has to do with their … what shall I call it? ….. Core Values, Deep Beliefs, or even what Germans call “Weltanschauung” (world view). In other words, one’s premises determine one’s conclusions.

Yesterday, on my way to my parent’s house I had the radio tuned to 77-WABC, a talk radio format, and mega-beaner libfuk Heraldo Rivera was pontificating about gun control. He was doing EXACTLY what Mike experienced with his crazy lefty. The Beaner went on and on and on about how insanely stupid it was to think that the USA!USA!USA! government would EVER attempt to deprive its citizens of guns.

You see, he can NOT come to the correct answer because he can’t even understand the basic framework behind the question.

It’s the same way with Globull Warming assholes.

nkit
nkit

@card802…I envision the answer will be the Mexican gov is corrupt, while our gov is not so we can do it better.

to which the obvious answer would be: You mean the same government that was walking guns into Mexico for Mexican drug lords?

DRUD
DRUD

I think at the most basic level it is because we (as a society/culture) have placed credibility above ideas. When you speak a quote, the immediate question is “who said that?” Partisan politics grant credibility from the silly little letter next to their name–partisans will support ridiculous ideas from their side, then turn around and rage against the exact same ideas if they come from the other.

It is this elevation of credibility above ideas that enables politicians and pundits (all manner of “noisy authorities””) to spew such obvious drivel and yet have it be believe (examples are to numerous to list–I’m sure everyone could think of a dozen recent ones in a few seconds).

The further this progresses the more people simply become “pass-throughs” of other people’s ideas. Making it easy for few people to manage the narrative and making said narrative more important than truth.

yahsure
yahsure

I just look around and wonder how anyone would want to support the Democrats. The crap spewed by Fox news makes me wonder about the Republicans also. I think a lot of people want something really different. Trump? Someone who can get some stuff done for a change. Who doesn’t make lousy deals where the U.S. gets the shaft. Who thought we would be a country of never ending wars?
Gun’s help keep us free. I guess the tyrants in Washington don’t like that citizens just don’t roll over and say yes to whatever crap is presented to us. I really want term limits also.We need fresh blood and thinking before people get hung by any handy pole outside the whitehouse. It’s easy to see that the Psychopaths in Washington are getting ready for riots/civil unrest.

IndenturedServant

“The question is, what gives these nut jobs the concept that the gubmint can do no wrong? Why can’t they see what’s in front of them.”

Pretty simple really. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

These people are incapable of rational, reasoned thought. They cannot and will not do anything for themselves and so insist that the govt do everything for them. I’d love to be a professional photographer or documentary filmmaker so I could capture as many of their faces as possible when they have their final epiphany and realize just how fucked they are.

The collapse of USSA will sort them out in short order. Gonna be fun to watch.

Persnickety
Persnickety

“Liberalism is a mental disorder.
These people are incapable of rational, reasoned thought. They cannot and will not do anything for themselves and so insist that the govt do everything for them. I’d love to be a professional photographer or documentary filmmaker so I could capture as many of their faces as possible when they have their final epiphany and realize just how fucked they are. ”

99% of them will lash out violently at anyone or thing within reach when they have that epiphany. And while most are not skilled at normal martial arts, you may be unpleasantly surprised at what unskilled psycho people can do when they’re blind with rage.

Be out of the way. Far out of the way.

Persnickety
Persnickety

DRUD said: “I think at the most basic level it is because we (as a society/culture) have placed credibility above ideas. When you speak a quote, the immediate question is “who said that?” ”

This is very insightful. I would simply add that I think this exists because most people are unable to evaluate ideas. They have never tried to evaluate ideas, they haven’t been taught or encouraged to do so, and many of them are fully aware that they are not capable of doing so.

So appeals to the prestige of the (purportedly) quoted person substitutes for the actual quality of the idea, much as saccharine might substitute for sugar and hydrogenated soybean oil might substitute for butter. It doesn’t work so well. It results in the travesty we have today.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster

It’s not all Liberals who are for gun control. Personally I wish more good Americans would carry; it’ll even out the bad guys who know they’re safe in a “gun free zone”. Gun safety is a good thing, but gun restriction is not. I also think concealed carry laws are bullshit because they’re against the 2nd Amendment. Constitution doesn’t say “keep and sometimes bear under local restrictions, arms”, does it?

Anonymous
Anonymous

My good friend is a liberal.We do not talk politics because she drinks the Obama cool aid .She told me yesterday how America should not have boarders and illegals can ALL just come over, be US citizens,its our duty to support them all.She likes to quote Huffington Post.I like to think Iam realistic enough to know what happens to useful idiots when their no longer useful to Marxists.KGB agent on youtube makes that very clear.

Anonymous
Anonymous

As far as gun control.Its really about tyranny. Just curious.Obama following the same playbook as Adolf H?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Stucky says: Yesterday, on my way to my parent’s house I had the radio tuned to 77-WABC, a talk radio format, and mega-beaner libfuk Heraldo Rivera was pontificating about gun control. He was doing EXACTLY what Mike experienced with his crazy lefty. The Beaner went on and on and on about how insanely stupid it was to think that the USA!USA!USA! government would EVER attempt to deprive its citizens of guns.

This time your “Wiltingschlauung” is all wrong:
a. It’s Geraldo with a grrr (I assume your nom de plume means, Stuck on Phonics)
b. Geraldo is Puerto Rican and a Yankee.
c. Mexicans are the original ‘beaners’
1. Cubans, PR’s, Central and South Americans are not beaners
2. Blow Me

On a positive note, Herr Stuck, if you have ever had some brown beaver, you can call yourself an honorary beaner with all the privileges pertaining to that title.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

EC- Cubans and PR’s eat beans, black ones……doesn’t count, huh?

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

EC- Southerners of every socio-economic level eat pinto beans yet we are not beaners. What does one have to do to rate this beaner handle?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Bea, Prof Pangloss said the USA is the largest grower of pinto beans. Lots of folks eat beans. Po folks mainly. I just protest that Stuck lumps all hispanics under the beaner umbrella. We’re the beaners, we’re the wetbacks, we’re the lettuce pickers..

My wife calls her Filipino sister-in-law ‘Chinita’. I have told her forever that Filipinos are not Chinese. I figured that fat French fuck Stuck would know better.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Bea, correct me if I’m wrong, aren’t you guys called Stump-Jumpers?

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

EC – What is this term Stump-Jumper? Is it pointed toward those of southern heritage?

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

Never mind EC, I looked that up. You’ll have to talk to Stucky as that comes under the (horsefucker category). My homies are not of the lower classes.

Stucky

El Coyote

“Beaner” is a soft derogatory term …. much like the way I refer to fellow Germans as Krauts .. which I do often.

It’s not something to get upset over.

Blow you? Only if you show up this Saturday!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Bea, I should check the perv ddictionary first. It’s not like all folks would know the sexual pervert’s special meaning of innocent sounding phrases like ‘tea-bagging’.

My buddy Jared said it was a person who lived in a wetland like Texas where they have to jump from stump to stump to cross a field.

Stuck, I don’t care if you call me a beaner, I am a beaner, just don’t call that fucking windbag Geraldo a beaner and add insult to injury by elevating him to chief beaner.

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